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main purpose of the thread was is it a myth or fact that mothers across afghanistan used hari singh nalwa's name to scare their kids if it were a fact then the pathans would surrendered to the sikhs and afghanistan would of come under sikh rule and why didn't afghan mothers use names of mongols to scare their kids the mongols they conquered afghanistan and commited genocide in afghanistan but also alexander then theirs nadar shah who conquered afghanistan the turks those guys conquered afghanistan but hari singh nalwa conquered the pathan lands that are currently in pakistan today and non of the land in afghanistan so why would mothers of afghanistan be scared of hari singh nalwa could it be its the pathans who had bin conquered in regions like peshawar whose mothers were so terrorised that they used hari singh nalwa's name to scare their kids and not the mothers in afghanistan if mothers and kids were that scared in afghanistan common sence is the pathans would of just surrendered and not tried fighting and resisting

singh135 are you trying to insult me cause your an <banned word filter activated>

that kind of weak mindset is what some of the people had which allowed isi and pakistan to turn them into their puppets aka their bitc**s when someone on purpose targets inocent people and kills them its terrorism and a sikhs job is to deliver justice to the terrorists the guys who did air india bombing gave sikhs a black eye and made some dumb people who know nothing about sikhism think that sikhs are barbaric terrorists who kill inocent people and are to scared to fight soldiers and governments no thats not what i want people to say instead i want people to call out the dogs who claim to be sikhs and do anti sikh activity's like bomb air india airplanes cause a sikhs duty is to fight for justice and fight for the inocent but you exposed how stupid you are as well takl about corruption in gurdwaras and how some gurdwara are being run by guys who claim to be sikhs but participate in activity's that go against sikhism

ahh this is a reply to mehtab singh and another thread not regarding air india but ye agree its not black and white what happened before and after operation bluestar some people try making it a black and white issue like sikhs vs hindus when they have no idea how complex the subject is and that it was never a black and white issue you had corrupt beyond corrupt selfish politicans in congress party who came from hindu and sikh family's but most politicans in india don't believe in religion or fear a god or they wouldn't be corrupt as they are you had sikh human rights activist with guns who delivered justice cause the corrupt system wouldn't you had divide and conquere politics continued to be played in punjab by akalis and congress both parties which are just full of selfish corrupt as*holes you had sikhs who sold out sikhi and became terrorists and puppets of pakistan isi and targeted inocent people you had fake sikhs who were just criminals and petty thugs pretend to be for khalistan and join khalistan organisations and go extort sikh family's and say they are doing the extortion and crimes for khalistan when in reality they were just doing it for themselves and never cared about sikhs and the list goes on but sadly thousands upon thousands of inocent sikhs were murdered man your just dumb and fit the definition of a blind sheep i gave a reply on the thread which shows how dumb you are so don't try to throw insults and stick to the topic on this thread

so ill give a reply from each post by blind sheep who are trying to throw insults rather then admit they are blind sheep 13mirch post 53 and singh123456777 in post 54 what blind virdict when did i say sikhism or sikhs are blind sheep thanks for exposing your stupidity in the other threads i have questions regarding sikhism but i never attacked sikhism since you two are the type who easily get brainwashed its no wonder you guys live in a bubble gps post 55 hey didn't know about that on warizistan im glad you showed me that something i bin asking for all thread to show other territories conquered by hari singh nalwa im still going to do little more ressearch to see if your reference checks out but first afghan anglo war was humiliating for brits cause they got hustled they thought their soldiers and camp followers would get out of afghanistan safely but they were lied to i ain't lieing about anything first afghan anglo war tell me which part should the british feel humilated about and which part is wrong - brits overthrow the afghan govt and set up shah shuaja to be their puppet to govern afghanistan for them -afghanistan being a very poor country is costing british east india to much money to govern so they make budget cuts by removing most of the british east indian military -brits move out and afghans decide to revolt at this moment and shah shauja is over thrown -brits had only had 4 to 4 500 soldiers and 16 000 camp followers brits new it would take to long to get reinforcements to stop the revolution in afghanistan and the brits negotiated a deal for the safe passage for the 4 to 4500 soldiers most of which were indian and 16 000 camp followers -you have pathan tribes across afghanistan call for the murder of the soldiers and camp followers the camp followers being women children -the afghans broke the promise and they attack cowardly the soldiers and camp followers leaving afghanistan -soldiers try fighting back but to out numbered and out gunned and cause they thought they had a safe passage they left most their weapions behind in kabul -soldiers camp followers attacked one british soldier survives tell me what honer do afghans have from that whole event?? as well battle of battle of saragarhi i know real well i was going to start a thread with bollywood trying to make a movie based on the event and their being rumors people from the movie 300 may help with the movie mehtab singh and gurdeepsinghjohal you two are a blind sheep with no common sence first what would make you say im a pathan read my posts im trying to convince gps the whooping pathans took from the british if mothers across afghanistan were so afraid of hari singh nalwa and if pathans wear salwar kurta across pakistan and afghanistan cause of hari singh nalwa then common sence thing to assume is that the pathans would of bin to scared to put up a resistance against sikhs and afghanistan would of fell to the sikhs common sence if pathans were that scared then why did they put their lives on the line and fight and resist sikhs moving into their country???? if pathans were that scared afghanistan would of belonged to the sikhs as well gurdeepsinghjohal could you point out when i made the comment hari singh nalwa is not a legend or are you stupid and just assumed i said that the claim i made in this thread is that their is no way mothers across afghanistan would of bin using hari singh nalwa's name to scare their children considering afghanistan was not conquered by the sikhs chatanga great reply but i didn't mean sikhism says that 1 can defeat 125 000 men i was just highlighting how some sikhs take something out of context and create their own story for example how people say afghanistan has never bin conquered but their was alexandar the mongols and so on their are sikhs who claim 1 sikh can take on 125 000 men and this is how sikhs brought down the mughals but i understand the meaning of 1 sikh can take on 125 000 men that 1 true sikh will fight 125 000 men like a lion were as many people would back down and surrender it means true sikh will not surrender but fight and this apply's to all areas of life not just the battle field no matter what the odds a true sikh will attack the problem like a lion attacks a sheep as well agree it shouldn't matter if mothers used hari singh nalwa name to scare their kids but point of this thread is you see people humilate sikhs be it ron banerjee on tv cause sikhs have not researched their history and just blindly accept what they are told about sikh history at the gurdwaras what sikhs need to do is when they learn something look at the evidence provided and question the evidence and look for the other side of the story and look at their side of the evidence then be a judge and decide what is true and what is not sikhs need to look at everything like a judge in court looks at the evidence from both sides then decides

actually had no work or school yesterday so could post all day yesterday but next day off im going to find the text books from school on soush asian history and give you guys some history lesson and make a post or two tonight regarding other subjects posted that stuff about air india during lunch break

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2010/06/14/f-air-india.html A mass murderer glorified as a martyr? Yes. His friends in Toronto and Vancouver have his picture on their walls. We've even seen those pictures, garlanded with tinsel, carried through the streets of Surrey, B.C., in the annual Vaisakhi parade while politicians from all parties smiled and waved. This "martyr" neither knew nor cared who his victims were. In practice, though, Parmar didn't discriminate among his victims. Anyone on the two Air India planes would do. He continued to plot his attack even as CSIS watched his house, photographed his visitors and wiretapped his phone. In the end, only one of his homemade bombs went off on time. Two Japanese baggage handlers died at Narita Airport in Tokyo as they transferred bags arriving from Toronto to a waiting Air India flight bound for Bangkok. Perhaps they handled the bag with the bomb too roughly; we'll never know.

this documantry was one of the most viewed programs in canadian history and was extremely hyped for 6 month before it was aired on tv great documantry on air india listen to 1 min 15 sec to 1 min 20 sec of the trailer the documantry listen carefully from 4 min mark to 7 min mark http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2010/06/14/f-air-india.html This was the plan: a simultaneous explosion of two Air India planes on opposite sides of the globe — and we should have seen it coming. Parmar told his followers in 1984 that "Indian planes will fall from the sky." That same year, his number 2, Ajaib Singh Bagri of Kamloops, B.C., cut the air with his hand as he made this pledge to the founding convention of the World Sikh Organization: "Until we kill 50,000 Hindus, we will not rest!" A packed crowd took up the chant: "Hindu dogs! Death to them!" Talwinder Singh Parmar, right, with Babbar Khalsa co-founder Ajaib Singh Bagri, photographed by CSIS outside Parmar's house in Burnaby, B.C., in July 1985. (CSIS) In practice, though, Parmar didn't discriminate don't close this thread down or cencer the information i think their should be a healthy debate

its good to be curious but 13mirch you have the right to be a blind sheep

mirch13 and singh559 first singh 559 actually i stated more then one right thing on this thread but a blind sheep would never notice that mirch13 first i never insulted hari singh nalwa and please point out one lie or one wrong fact i stated in this thread the two things i have asked is to name the territories in which the pathans were conquered like peshawar khyber pass i never said hari singh nalwa was not a hero only a blind sheep would assume that secondly the story about mothers across afghanistan scaring kids with hari singh nalwa's name is something that is worth questioning considering sikhs did not conquere present day afghanistan considering alexander mauryan empire turks mongols mughals nadar shah conquered afghanistan why didn't any afghan mother scare their kids with names from those empires theirs also a myth that afghanistan can't be conquered but then their was alexander mauryans turks mongols mughals nadar shah and explained how brits ran a train and took afghanistan but cause afghanistan was so poor they were losing more money then they were making and took most their troops out as well brits smoked the afghans in the second and third war one myth mothers across afghanistan used hari singh nalwa's name to scare their kids but sikhs never conquered present day afghanistan maybe what people meant is the mothers of peshawar and khyber pass were terrorised by hari singh nalwa and not afghanistan second myth afghanistan can't be conquered but it has bin many times maybe what people are doing to twist facts around are saying afghanistan hasn't bin conquered since it was created in 1747 hiding its history of being conquered by many empires just to maybe sell news papers and GPS please tell me your researching the facts especially second afghan anglo war and the results of this war cause you made a claim that brits gained zero pathan land and all the pathan land they had came from sikhs but if you study the second anglo afghan war you would notice that GSP YOUR FACTS ARE WRONG AND YOU LOSE CREDIBILITY IN THE DEBATE as well GPS many pakistani pathans tend to be happy with pakistan but many afghan pathans want the pathan land and the pathans in pakistan to join back with afghanistan and afghan pathans look down on muslim punjabis and muslim kashmires cause they see their ancestors as the coward hindus that were converted to islam by the pathan sword and don't like the fact punjabi muslims make largest portion of pakistan and in a democracy meaning pathans have to live under a punjabi muslim government so problem with pathans getting peshawar back is many pathans in pakistan dont want to leave pakistan and the isi is playing the pathans pretty bad considering taliban are isi puppets and pakistan wanna play king maker in afghanistan now as well many pakistanis believe their ancestors were converted by sufi's but just talking about afghan pathans and what they think about pakistanis as well noticed people on this thread trying to insults at me cause their blind sheep

jsinghnz what nonsence have i brought to the forum?? alot of people when proven wrong or lose a debate tend to try insulting the other person and clearly its whats going on here gps from your comments i can tell you have no clue about the british afghan wars please answer what was the result of the second afghan anglo war wasn't it forcing afghanistan to hand over regions like waziristan this fact hear alone proves you shouldn't be in this thread since you really don't know what your talking about actually the british smashed the pathans but afghanistan was to expensive to run so they pulled a huge chunk of their military out of afghanistan leaving around 4000 soldiers and 16 000 women and children when the pathans saw the brits retreat a huge chunk of their military the pathans came together and over threw shah shauja the puppet king of afghanistan and the 4 to 4 500 soldiers decided it was time to leave afghanistan with the women and children and when they left you had pathans from all around attack the retreating soldiers along with women and children you had hundred thousand pathans attack 4 thousand soldiers and 16 000 women and children and only one survivor came out of afghanistan that docter you mentioned now could you do a fact check to this claim what was embarrasing for the brits was not only did they lose money but over 4000 soldiers and 16 000 women and children got slaughtered they got hustled by the pathans cause they thought they could get the troops and children and women out of afghanistan safely second anglo afghan war the british took over majority of afghanistan but once again its a liability to run the brits only wanted to rule countries they could make money off of and afghanistan wasn't one of them so they took areas like waziristan from the afghans and got to control afghan foreign policy now could you do a fact check on the second afghan anglo war as well reason brits invaded afghanistan was cause they wanted afghanistan to be the bunker between russia and india they did not trust russia 1917 russian govt was over thrown and not threat third anglo afghan war the afghans tried getting their land back but failed got their butts kicked again but since afghan foreign policy didn't matter any more the brits gave them the right to handle foreign policy GSP PLEASE FACT CHECK THESE THREE WARS AND MAKE ANY CORRECTIONS WERE NEEDED mughals conquered afghanistan but mothers weren't scaring their kids with any turk mughal names nader shah conquered afghanistan and no afghan mother scared their kids with his name mongolians conquered afghanistan an alexander and turks and mauryan empire from bihar india so explain why hari singh nalwa do you think maybe hari singh nalwa scared the day lights out of mothers of peshawar and khyber path region and masala got added to the story just like stories of guys fighting battles with head in one hand and sword in another and story was afghan mothers scared their kids just a theory to throw out their im agnostic meaning i don't know if their is a god or not cause i havn't seen enough evidence to say their is a god and i havn't seen enough evidence to say their isn't a god but i believe sikhism was a revolutionary movement culturally look at the military history of punjab before thee sikhs and it may explain why majority of punjabis are muslims living in pakistan besides porus try finding any other era of punjab were the people of punjab were martial sikhism was a revolutionary movement it revolutionised many parts of punjab culture guru nanak was a revolutionary leader fighting for equal rights and womens rights the sikh gurus inspiring people to fight for other peoples rights was revolutionary sure all the sikh misls would fight eachother but when hindu women would be kidnapped to be sex slaves sikhs would attack like lions and free the women culture plays the biggest role in what direction a country or community heads in and sikhism created a culture of empowerment but ill start another thread regarding that subject

hey sorry i guess i can see how i may hurt some people's feelings who choose to live their lives like blind sheep its cause many people choose to be sheep and live in a bubble that in america they got fooled into thinking their were wmd's in iraq its cause people choose to be sheep and live in a bubble that sikhs in punjab keep electing in corrupt politicans that rape em if sikhs did what they were asked to do by the sikh gurus and live their life as a life long learner then many of the problems sikh face today could solved

yes and thing is sir lepel griffins comments don't make sence considering sikhs never conquered present day afghanistan so why would afghan mothers or their children be scared of hari singh nalwa i don't think most even heard his name and you ahve to take into account how high illiteracy was in even countries like england over hundred years ago how would most afghan mothers heard his name considering most couldn't read or write and didn't have news papers other theory is sir lepel griffin may of bin misled by a sikh and an urban legend or the mothers of peshawar was once who were terrorised but add couple of pounds of masala to the story desi style and it turns into the mothers of afghanistan used hari singh nalwa name to scare their kids

grow a pair and just marry her

as well if someone printed out the guru granth sahib from the internet and put all the pages in a binder how would you treat that binder and the pages in it/??? how do you treat the guru granth sahib at the gurdwara??? how do you treat a computer that has the guru granth sahib downloaded on it??? now i can't say these claims are fact but i have read some theory's as to some things may of turned into rituals in how sikhs treat the guru granth sahib for example that wond used to fan the gurdwara well 200 years ago that was used to keep the bugs from getting in the granthis eyes and to keep the bugs away as well as to cool the person reading the guru granth sahib since 200 years ago in extreme heat their was no air conditioning

i was giving wild gueses their but then say give or take 70% of peshawar is pathans and say if sikhs only had conquered peshawar doesn't that show sikhs only conquered less then 6% of the pathan population what percentage of the pathans came under sikh rule and yes fort jamrud was constructed by sikhs just like sikhs took peshawar i ain't questioning that stuff cause their is more then enough evidence to show it fact especially the battle of 1836 the battle of jamrud as well he had conquered the khyber pass and the surrounding of peshawar and gps could you tell me what territories britain took from the afghans after the second afghan anglo war??? for example did the sikhs or the british conquere waziristan cause you made a claim saying that everything the british got came from the sikhs but waziristan came to the british after second anglo afghan war

yes mehtab singh i need evidence to the claim i don't believe things blindly as well wasn't the maharajas of patalia always selling out sikhs for money for example didn't maharaja of patalia prostitute his as* to the afghans and then to the british in 1799 and trying to bring the khalsa empire down as well if someone printed out the guru granth sahib from the internet and put all the pages in a binder how would you treat that binder and the pages in it/??? how do you treat the guru granth sahib at the gurdwara??? how do you treat a computer that has the guru granth sahib downloaded on it??? and if you would treat one of the three differently why is that

since over 99% of sikhs are south asians so only south asians are virla and everyone else be it white black hispanics arn't most of the virla's out of the human race came from punjab

ian heath sikh empire in that book he only talked about peshawar i want to know all the lands hari singh nalwa conquered to take pride in those accomplishments im not against his accomplishments but their needs to be strong evidence to back the claims other wise sikhs are just going to get looked at as people who tell fairy tail yes quoting a newspaper is sort of credibile but not really credible if it fails to provide evidence to back that claim any book or newspaper article loses credibility when it doesn't provide evidence to back their claims otherwise you should believe every book written calling barack obama a birther and claim he was born in kenya or believe every word of the bible cause its a book or believe 9/11 was an inside job cause their books and documantry's making claims books that lack credibility and newspapers that lack credibility is dime a dozen and reason for that is they don't provide strong enough evidence to back their claim a good credibile book or article is one that provides evidence to back their claim a horrible book or article is one that makes accusations but fails to provide evidence in court judge sees two sides of the story and both sides must provide evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt their claim is true same applys to books documantrys and articles if sikhs didn't conquere present day afghanistan then how can such a claim be made about afghan mothers an hari singh nalwa

so guru granth sahib is ok to pay respects to and bow down to but not a pc with the guru granth sahib downloaded on it what about if somone printed the guru granth sahib off the internet and put all the pages printed in a binder would you treat that binder with the same respect you give the guru granth sahib at the gurdwara

everyone knows badals are corrupt dogs id like to hav epeople list every single crime they have commited against sikhs and punjab and list of corrupt actions they have taken that others have turned a blind eye to saini being made cheif of police after his crimes against sikhs

if you look at the number of people who have bin born over last 10 000 years and look at number of sikhs born and or exposed to sikhism its still like 1% of the population tops who have heard of sikhism why would god deny this knowledge to the other 99% why would he only want to give this knowledge to ppl like jatts who drink smoke womenize and deny it to the other 99% of people through las 10 000 years

thats why im asking people to list the lands hari singh nalwa conquered that pathans called home as well try to understand what would motivate afghan mothers across afghanistan to use hari singh nalwa name to scare their kids considering modern day afghanistan wasn't conquered by sikhs pathans make up their own fairy tale about their history they claim maharaja ranjit singh started off as a pathan puppet and was given lahore but don't have any evidence to back that claim up same with their claim on hari singh nalwa they will claim hari singh nalwa had asked the british for help in invading peshawar but have zero evidence to back up the claim theirs sikhs who claim sikhs had fought with their heads chopped off with head in one hand and sword in another but no evidence to back up their claim best thing to do is look at the claim then find the evidence to back the claim then see the other side of the story and see what they claim and look at the evidence they provide to back up their claim look at things logically and not just beleive things blindly

wikipedia isn't a great research tool and banned from colleges and on wikipedia only mentions peshawar the land pathans called home that sikhs conquered i was hoping if someone could list some more territories conquered by the sikhs that pathans call home sikhistan im not affected by true facts regarding the sikh raj actually im proud of their accomplishments but theirs a difference between fairy tale stories like men fighting battles with their head in one hand and sword in other or one sikh can take on 125 000 men at once im not changing history and if most of the history hasn't bin researched and is unknown then how do you know what is fact and what is fiction regarding sikh history

ive had hindus say they don't idle worship only poor hindus do they claim the purpose of why they bow down is to help them focus on that god their praying to more by stimulating itleast one of the 5 sences but the way sikhs bow down to the guru granth sahib how is that different from hindus bowing down to their statues and scriptures if someone downloaded the guru granth sahib on their computer would you bow down to that computer and if you found out they watched porn on that same computer woudl you break that persons computer christians look at the bible for guidence well the protestants do not to sure about the cathlics muslims look to the koran jews look to the torah sikhs look to the guru granth sahib