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16 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:
If you think some fictional practice, in some nerdy sci-fi series reflects the experience of Naam simran, mate you're going seriously wrong.
I don't know what they were doing in that crappy series, but I'm 100% sure it wasn't Naam simran.......
Once you hear it, you will know what I mean.
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6 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:
In which way? It being coordinated more than is usual? I don't see anything too different from AKJ except it seems less exuberant? We've all seen strange stuff posted from there over the years.
I was talking talking about those who've grown up under that victorian/protestant influenced 'Sikhism' thing i.e. Singh Sabha, not the actual victorian protestants. Many of those people who grow up under this seem to have imbibed that western disease of obsessive 'standardisation' and being fearful of anything that diverges from their hotch-potch ideology.
I guess if someone does steady simran, rhythmically it could characterised as 'robotic' but I think this is a very narrow-minded way of looking at lt. I agree we need to watch out for cult like tendencies though, but from what I can see, the focus on simran as opposed to social interaction and politics, is a great idea to get people to actually practice and experience some form of simran. It would be a great introduction with people continuing the practice individually as well (hopefully). So it can go in other ways too.
Planning to.
If you ever watched Star Trek and know of the Borg and they did Naam Simran, that is what it sounds like.
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1 hour ago, dallysingh101 said:
Might have felt errie to you because it is so many miles away from the protestant/victorian influenced thing you grew up with?
No.
I have done naam simran in many other gurdwaras but the way they do it in that gurdwara is very strange.
Not even the AKJ does naam simran the way these guys do it.
The darbar Hall Is absolutely huge. You can have 200 people seated and it feels empty. Maharaj is on a very high platform.
I understand that there are many ways of naam jaap but the manner of the naam jaap feels very cult like.
If anything the Protestant/Victorian's would approve of it. It is done in a very robotic manner.
If you don't believe me, you should go there yourself.
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31 minutes ago, BhForce said:
Wow, we need more Gurdwaras like this. Sad that these types are few and far between.
These guys came from Swindon UK and had a gurdwara there before they moved to Slough.
It's a nice Gurdwara but there does seem to be a cult like feel to the place. I have done naam simran there and the way it is done feels a bit eerie.
That is just my opinion.
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10 hours ago, BhForce said:
I'm wondering when the National Crime Agency says they were busted for "immigration crime" it means that they were bringing over Afghan Sikhs in return for cash money.
If so, it's really hard for me to condemn them.
I mean, at the same time that European countries were welcoming a million Muslims pretending to be refugees and allowing them to take over London and also refusing Afghan Sikhs passage.
Peculiar bunch these particular Sikhs are.
These Afghan Sikhs when they were given asylum in India and because they were left to fend for themselves wanted to return in spite of the increase in danger.
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12 minutes ago, ChardikalaUK said:
Well if you want to relive taking opium and cannabis go back to Punjab. We've seen what a great impact opium is having there these days. Grow up and try to move out of your parents house before you're 50.
By all accounts, the drug trade is largely controlled by people in very high positions in the political establishment which is one of the big factor as to why the Indian elites were after Amritpal Singh.
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5 minutes ago, ChardikalaUK said:
When it comes to figures they would be grouped with other Sikhs so it wouldn't show up prevalently in government statistics. On the other cousin marriage is prevalent in almost all Muslim groups.
You are not wrong there.
I guess if the stats were further broken down we would have a much clearer indication.
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29 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:
Have you seen what our lot have been up to in Canada?
The Punjab police seem to be making no efforts to get the extradition of three Canadians of Punjabi-origin accused in a fresh FIR registered in the multi-crore drug trafficking scandal allegedly involving senior Akali leader and former Punjab Revenue Minister Bikram Singh Majithia.
Gujeratis do, don't you remember the massive heroin shipment they caught there?
Panjabi's are different because of the wannabe, pendu, macho thing. They are more low level relying on brawn more than brains.
Canada has been a gateway for drugs into the US, probably as an alternative to Mexico and other Southern routes and some of the drugs like cannabis were typically more lax in Canada.
This is why Vancouver was very popular with US celebrities like Snoop Dog and Joe Rogan.
Punjabis involvement is likely due to being heavily involved in the trucking industry and it is very common for Canadian Punjabi truckers to cross the border into the US.
Punjabis in Canada also quite involved owning lots of land in Canada and they probably grow a lot of cannabis as it has become very lucrative.
These pendus understand logistics, they know how to buy land and they know how to grow lucrative cash crops.
These pendus are also well versed in working with other crime syndicates.
This does not sound like they don't have brains.
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18 minutes ago, ChardikalaUK said:
Yes, their inbreeding also makes more of them related to each other, further strengthening their ties. But as with sulley and any other group that practices inbreeding they are heavily represented when it comes to serious birthing defects.
I have no idea to what extent that their cousin marriage is prevalent since they do not seem to have the same level of health issues, but I could be wrong though.
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22 hours ago, ChardikalaUK said:
Not surprised. The Afghan Sikhs are far richer than your average Punjabi/Gujarati shop owner from the 70s-90s were. Now we know where that extra cash is coming from.
They buy houses in expensive parts of Southall/Hounslow and cars in cash. A lot of their shops are involved in the drugs business. All while keeping Sikhi saroop.
The Afghan Sikhs have biradri system. Their clan like nature has benefits and they do give each other a helping hand.
That aspect of their culture combined with the mercantile-ness as well the environment they come from makes them quite adept in the smuggling business and money laundering.
We have absolute no idea of what things they got up to back in Afghanistan.
Punjabis and Gujaratis do not network in the same manner and do not have the same mindset.
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14 hours ago, ChardikalaUK said:
Their incest disgusts me. I find them half way between us and sulley in their outlook on life.
They have been surrounded by Muslims historically so they have picked up some of those cultural values.
Looking at those pictures, the white guys look slavic/east European.
Most of the polish shops are run by these guys.
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17 hours ago, Kau89r8 said:
read the qt's
If you can't do the time don't do the crime.
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Hearing about this transhumanism where the elites are trying to develop AI, with the end goal of leaving the human form to live forever.
Foolish elites, humans have been transforming from humans to non human forms by living this human life and then leaving this world. It's been going on since humans have been on this earth and with other sentient beings since the beginning of time.
No one does Maharaj better than Maharaj .
Humans can be truly 1diots!
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Just now, Ranjeet01 said:
Look up Lloyd de Jonghe.
I found this guy on YouTube after watching the Xtian/Muslim debates as these 2 groups are trying to pick holes in each others scriptures.
He's a South African guy (mixed race/coloured guy)
In a nutshell, there are 4 levels of Muslim
Sharia is really for the bottom level Muslims. Basically, the high level Muslims are like free-masons. He breaks it down into simple bullet points. He goes into the Arab terminology.
Islam in his view is Basically re-packaged Paganism as Allah is a moon God.
The origins of Islam is quite interesting as the standard narrative is not what you think it is
If what he says is true, I have concluded we Sikhs are the only people that believe in the One.
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5 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:
What do you know about this?
Look up Lloyd de Jonghe.
I found this guy on YouTube after watching the Xtian/Muslim debates as these 2 groups are trying to pick holes in each others scriptures.
He's a South African guy (mixed race/coloured guy)
In a nutshell, there are 4 levels of Muslim
Sharia is really for the bottom level Muslims. Basically, the high level Muslims are like free-masons. He breaks it down into simple bullet points. He goes into the Arab terminology.
Islam in his view is Basically re-packaged Paganism as Allah is a moon God.
The origins of Islam is quite interesting as the standard narrative is not what you think it is
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1 hour ago, Jacfsing2 said:
Speaking for real, in modern times our faith is heavily-centric to Punjab and Punjabi issues. There are more talks on Punjab in Punjabi in Gurdwaras than the issues aam bande have wherever they live. If all the people in the Gurdwara are Punjabi, all the talks are in Punjabi, and we are talking about Punjab; why would average Gora or Kalla want to join? What made people like Jugraj Singh unique was that he didn't make the focus on a place far-away and focused on what the average bande living in UK actually needed, spiritual growth, also even when he did speak about Sikh issues; he always made the focus on what we can actually achieve instead of talking about goals that average Sikh likely can't achieve.
If tomorrow someone wanted to learn about Jesus Christ or Muhammad, they could do so in pretty much every language with people from every ethnic group, but if tomorrow we want to learn about Guru Sahib, our only options are in Punjabi and only recently English, otherwise we just learn "Someone born in Talwandi and who traveled a lot as a good man".
It would be if the majority of the Sangat is from Panjab.
The bulk of the diaspora has moved in the last few decades and it takes time for the diaspora to adapt to their environment.
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45 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:
They also had a head start on their preaching and have known and interacted other abrahamics from a long time ago. So they've had more time to develop their techniques, and frankly as we know (or should!!) they aren't remotely averse to using underhand tactics like targeting the vulnerable or under-aged (especially females) or trying to use scare tactics when they feel they have numbers or a perceived upper hand.
It must be said though, according to Jahangir's memoirs, In Guru Arjan Dev Ji's time, Sikhi parchaar was so strong even sullay were converting (hence jahangir's anger).
Thing with sullahism is that it is what you outlined above, pure rule based, technical - it doesn't have soul like Sikhi.
But we should note, even according to their own faith, most of them are going to go to hell.
Another issue I think we have these days, is that our parchaar is too 'soft'. We are too scared to offend other people, when we have exchanges - even if they are the ones that instigate it. This needs to stop! Bhai Jagraj Singh ji reignited that trend for in-your-face parchaar, and this should continue. I distinctly recall in the 80s, when christian preachers would knock on doors to 'speak' to people (but really to convert them), sullay already had pamplets and tracts to refute all of the christian missionary activity. And they didn't hold back - questioning the authenticity of the bible, pointing out contradictions therein etc. etc.
We should also mercilessly put the boot in when required, point out the pedo problems in their communities, show how they kill each other, and all the vile gundh they do behind the façade. But we need to make sure we have warriors ready too, because these lot like to try and undermine other people's beliefs, but cry and throw wobblies when someone does it to them and they can't answer the criticisms (which is easily done).
They have hundreds of years to perfect their techniques.
During Jahanghir's time, I imagine that the Muslims during that period were probably converted quite recently. So the indoctrination was not so embedded into them.
Islam has different levels. One for the common Muslim, one for the scholars etc. There is gnostic, esoteric level that is available to the high level Muslims. It is basically belief in the occult.
Bhai Jagraj Singh was quite a unique character/personality, quite charismatic. In his early career, he worked in sales and I imagine in his younger days, he probably had the gift of the gab.
In sales/marketing terms, we have a superior product but we are not particularly good salesmen.
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9 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:
That's so funny! lol
But it also highlights a very important aspect of sullahism. It's strangeness.
It's a hotchpotch of paganism, heretical Christianity/Judaism.
It's heavily influenced by the Jewish Talmud.
It's a deen not a religion for the most part.
Deen means a social-political system. That is why when you see Muslims debate, they argue like lawyers with a bit of sales spiel thrown in. You ever notice the way their dawah types speak, it is called "simiya ". It is a form of NLP that they have been trained to do.
If you look at their Koran, it is a very small book. It needs to be supported by Hadiths and other sources.
One verse in the Koran can be abrogated by another verse. The hadith can supplant the Koran and vica versa. All very circular, designed to confuse.
That is why Muslims find it easy exploit the rules in the UK, they look for loopholes because In Sharia law, for every law there is loop hole. They come from a system of rules and regulations.
We are more a principle based people. Though we have our edicts and rulings, ours are relatively more straightforward and less complex.
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2 hours ago, Kau89r8 said:
The bottom line is whatever flaws and -vs we might think there is in islam, the mass dont think so and its obvious now why so many Right wing conservative media figure like Andrew Tate etc praise Islam and convert. We've been talking about this for yrs on this very site the Bhangra dancing around, lgbtq far-lvl views and diluting Sikhi losing the warrior aspect, very low lvl parchar.
Just look at the quality they produce Ali dawah Mohammed Hijab on YT how they debate they really turned the tables around from Jihand islamaphobia card to make everyone wanting to come into islam.
How many parchaar high quality have we produced. Only Bhai Jagraj Singh Ji touched the masses.
We have gone over our heads with bhangra blasting khakru musics and majority don't even know 'Jaap JI Sahid Paath'
They always draw a line in the sand when it comes to Islam. Ours have been lost
Nihangs seem to be only ones in West that held the warrior aspect.
Other than the dawah types shouting from the roof tops when they have 1 convert, where is the proof and evidence that everyone is becoming Muslim?
Ali Dawah and Hijab are just youtubers, they are just entertainers and they know how to game the algorithms like Andrew Tate has done.
Since you love youtube so much, I suggest you watch speakers Corner with these guys. They come across Bible Thumpers like "Bob the Builder ". This guy can debate and he beats Hijab hands down everytime. I will suggest you also watch when Hatun and Jay Smith brought with them , so many different versions of the Koran and you should see how the Muslims reacted.
We do not have a tradition of meeting complete strangers and telling them to recite Mool Mantar(without understanding) and then saying they are Sikh now.
Where the Muslims seem to be gaining ground is the agenda that is being imposed by the elites on the populace. It seems that the Muslims get a free pass on a lot of things and they seem to be allowed to push back on the agenda. If they are accused of being transphobe they can pushback with pointing the finger back with islamaphobe.
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When there is a conversation to Islam, it is publicised which is why it seems that there a lot of converts.
What is not told is that the majority of these converts leave after a couple of years.
There are probably a lot more people that in some ways align dharmically in the west. The difference being of course in our tradition you could probably believe in Sikhi without some formal conversion. Though we have Amrit, there is nothing stopping a non Sikh to attend a gurdwara, matha teking or reading/listening to Bani or naam Jaap.
I think that there are probably hundreds of thousands of goreh in the UK that at some level de-facto Buddhists or some form of Hindu since there are increasing number of goreh that are taking up meditation practices or yoga or some other mantras.
I have a white buddhist friend and he had a gathering at his place and I was with two other fellow Sikhs and the rest of his friends were white Buddhists. Not the shaven head robe wearing kind but everyday looking goreh.
The west to some degree is shifting towards Eastern philosophies. It's just that we do not hear about it as it is shouted from the roof tops.
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In our tradition, we consider men and women as equals.
There were female warriors who fought in battles.
Our women are not a passive bunch.
However, does this make our women lose aspects of their femininity and make them more masculine?
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According to Christians we are born with sin.
The reason they think this is because we according to them the human race are descended from Adam and Eve and they sinned and were casted out from the Garden of Eden.
We cannot be saved except through Jesus Christ because he was born of a virgin birth. Only he can save us because he is God incarnated into human form and is his own son and since he was not descended from Adam and Eve, he is not affected by this original sin and therefore can save us.
This is not how we consider sin. We are not born with sin but we are come have effects of karma from our own previous incarnations. We have divinity within us, a "jot" and we do not need to be saved. We are part of Waheguru, how and why does Maharaj need to save something which is a part of himself.
After 84 lakh joons, it is a blessing to get to the level and a form of a human which provides us an opportunity to break the cycle and get back to Sach kind.
We got this far, what is so sinful about that?
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3 hours ago, Teji_Singh said:
Too many trees in this gym ?
There is only 1 gym
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6 hours ago, Teji_Singh said:
There are many paths to God
From a single tree, one may then see all the other trees in the forest
Some people miss the forest for the tree
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Islam has become Redpilled in the West...Everyone is converting to Islam
in WHAT'S HAPPENING?
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Naam Simran's application has quite a lot of flexibility and versatility.
It can be used on it's own, it can be used with breathwork or it can be used in kirtan.
It can be recited slowly or quickly, in a melody.
The end game is connection with the Akaal.
It's just the few times I been to this particular gurdwara, the Sangat become very drone like.
This is just my opinion and experience, it is not right or wrong.
Apologies if this offends anyone.