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8 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:
heard this today and wondered if anyone knows more about this ghatna/kautak
Producing fire (brahm agani) from the bellybutton is a process called ‘tumo’.
Rishis & saints etc who live high up in the mountains & survive in freezing temperatures also utilise this process, they emanate just enough heat from the bellybutton to keep thier body externally warm.
Having certain yogic mastery over your body & the five elements allows you to do such things.... gurbani makes these things possible like child’s play.
In the case of this guru da pyara mentioned in above katha, when the hukam came he unleashed the brahm agani to a high level, high enough to burn his body to ashes but nothing around him was touched by the fire at all.
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listen to what Sant Jarnail Singh says about Banda Bahadur from 10:00 mins onwards. Sant Ji compares Banda to nirankari fake guru.... but I guess certain members on this site know better then Sant Ji!
Mata Sundri Ji hukamnama, Sant Jarnail Singh, panth Prakash by Rattan Singh Bhangu, Giani Gian Singh & oral tradition of Budha Dal all say the same thing about Banda
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2 hours ago, BhForce said:
What's funny is that the all of the images you posted have an very large protuberation on their heads. Are they from planet Xenu with a non-human head shape? Or did someone knock them on the head with a baseball bat?
What, indeed, could it be under their chunnis? Well, a keski.
What else is it supposed to be? They're carrying a monster potato on their heads?
If you want to go with "the paintings are not accurate", then why did you post them?
It takes about 33 milliseconds to take a picture on a smartphone. It takes quite a bit longer to paint on a canvas. Which means that it's unlikely that the painter painted these paintings with these people just standing like statues for him under the hot Indian sun.
So perhaps, you'd like to go with "the painter just painted some stuff from memory, and he jumbled a bunch of stuff up". If so, what is it exactly that you wanted to prove?
Finally, what's also funny is the first painting you chose to post is a woman wearing blue clothes with what seems to be a keski underneath, another words, bana.
Which results in a spectacular own goal for you.
Note: I'm not the one who brought the issue of turbans for women up. I'm not even saying keski is a kakkar. All I'm saying is far from disproving keski, your evidence ends up supporting it.
Maybe I should have been clearer regarding my comment about the wedding being null & void..... the point I was trying to make is that people seem to think that he has committed a big sin by marrying a non amritdhari..... which is not the case.... the forcing of amrit on women comes with the pressure of facial hair & even more recently wearing a dastar.... it was never meant to be that way.
From what I can see I do not think the women in all those pics are wearing keski... rather the hair is tied in a high bunga style.... local women around Hazur Sahib still tie their hair up in this way & then wear a chunni on top.
If I have hurt or offended the sentiments of ‘amritdhari females’ then I whole heartedly apologise.... that was not my intention.
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16 hours ago, jkvlondon said:
may need to go in , hold up
don't agree with putting shastar on feet :
I take it as his wife has no beard & is not wearing a 5 ft dumalla this wedding is null & void......
I think everyone on this site knows my stance when it comes to women & khande di Pahul & gender roles etc
Fans of women in bana with beards should go to Mata Sahib DEVA gurdwara in Hazur sahib & look at puratan pics of Mata Ji & look at these
My intention is not to defend this jagmeet guy.... I don’t care who or what he does etc..... but the stupidity around women & amrit etc needs to be addressed
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3 hours ago, N30S1NGH said:
Yes to be precise pdf page- 33
Bijla Singh and Sant Hari Singh ji arths are spot on, ultimately we should be looking at antriv arths of gurbani as to how it relates to introvert nature of individual and helps seeker transcedent from sargun into nirgun* and bigger grand scheme of things (non duality- all pervasive ) but NOT at the expense of sacrificing sargun arths or rejecting them in paranoia since sikhi is both sargun and nirgun combined and blended beautifully so one is in complete harmony-sargun is nirgun, nirgun is sargun - emptiness is form, form is emptiness. Often times, we see many sikhs falling on gyan-nirgun arths or sargun-spectrum-ignoring one or another. As per gurmat sidhant thats not the right approach. It needs to be looked at together from gurmat sidhant conceptual philosophy standpoint.
*Note i did by maharaj kirpa did similiar antriv arths of different gurbani pankiti:
ਧਨਿ ਧਨਿ ਤੂ ਮਾਤਾ ਦੇਵਕੀ ॥
Blessed, blessed are you, O mother Dayvakee;
ਜਿਹ ਗ੍ਰਿਹ ਰਮਈਆ ਕਵਲਾਪਤੀ ॥੨॥
into your home the Lord was born. ||2||
Blessed blessed mother devki (dwelling place -five elemental- body, mind)
in its home- surat ( consciousness/awareness) has awaken to itself, came to being.
Uthanka arth is dedicated to krishan maharaj sargun saroop.
This is very well put.... hits the nail on the head.
There has to be genuine understanding & grounding in Sargun arths before advancement onto nirgun perspective.... the whole picture becomes even more beautiful when this happens. Unfortunately as you said, out of paranoia and lack of guidance by genuine vidvaans & sants most sikhs now jump straight on nirgun aspect & neglect the necessary ground work that comes from the sargun side.
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On 20/02/2018 at 4:31 AM, Akalifauj said:
Sri Guru Gobind Singh ji didn't discriminate between satguru as their is only one same satguru for every yug. He told us to praise, worship, meditate on the one and only satguru. He wrote about the 24 incarnations of Vishnu and he corrected what happened actually to the 24 incarnations. If Krishna and Vishnu were satguru, Sri Guru Gobind Singh ji would have said it in his writing about them. Instead he wrote to say I don't praise them or think of them, I hold Mahakaal ( which translates into Vaheguru in this context as he is the destroyer of all) praise only in my mind.
Ok.... please do kirpa on us all & give us the correct interpretation of Bhai gurdas Ji’s // below
Vaar 1 Pauri 49 Waheguru mantar
ਸਤਿਜੁਗਿ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਵਾਸਦੇਵ ਵਵਾ ਵਿਸਨਾ ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪਾਵੈ ।
satijugi satigur vaasadayv vavaa visanaa naamu japaavai|
In Satyug, Visnu in the form of satigur Vasudev is said to have incarnated and ‘V’ Of Vahiguru reminds of Visnu.
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ਦੁਆਪਰਿ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਹਰੀ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਹਾਹਾ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪਾਵੈ ।
duaapari satigur haree krisan haahaa hari hari naamu japaavai|
The true Guru of dvapar is said to be Harikrsna and ‘H’ of Vahiguru reminds of Hari.
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ਤੇਤੇ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਰਾਮ ਜੀ ਰਾਰਾ ਰਾਮ ਜਪੇ ਸੁਖੁ ਪਾਵੈ ।
taytay satigur raam jee raaraa raam japay sukhu paavai|
In the the treta was Ram and ‘R’ of Vahiguru tells that rembering Ram will produce joy and happiness.
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ਕਲਿਜੁਗਿ ਨਾਨਕ ਗੁਰ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਗਗਾ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਨਾਮੁ ਅਲਾਵੈ ।
kalijugi naanak gur gobind gagaa gobind naamu alaavai|
In kalijug, Gobind is in the form of Nanak and ‘G’ of Vahiguru gets Govind recited.
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ਚਾਰੇ ਜਾਗੇ ਚਹੁ ਜੁਗੀ ਪੰਚਾਇਣ ਵਿਚਿ ਜਾਇ ਸਮਾਵੈ ।
chaaray jaagay chahu jugee panchaain vichi jaai samaavai|
The recitations o f all the four ages subsume in Panchayan i.e. in the soul of the common man.
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ਚਾਰੋ ਅਛਰ ਇਕੁ ਕਰਿ ਵਾਹਗੁਰੂ ਜਪੁ ਮੰਤ੍ਰ ਜਪਾਵੈ ।
chaaro achhar iku kari vaahaguroo japu mantr japaavai|
When joining four letters Vahiguru is remembered
Your level of understanding Dasam Bani is inadequate...... mahraj uses a literary approach known as ‘posht lushtika alankaar’..... it is obvious from what you have written that you are nowhere near the level required to understand Dasam Bani as a whole...
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7 hours ago, Akalifauj said:
Bhai Gurdas ji is not wrong. Your interpretation of Bhai Gurdas Ji Vaar is wrong. In the Taksal Sampooran Rehras Sahib, Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji says the following:
Chopei
Mai ‘N’ ganays(i) pritham manaaoo(n)| kisan bisan kabhoo(n) neh dhiaaoo(n)
I do not praise or hail Ganesh before I start any task. (In old times, often Ganesh would be hailed before starting any task). Nor do I let the thought of Vishnu or any incarnations of Vishnu (i.e. Krishna) enter my mind. (Meaning Guru Gobind Singh Ji never regarded Vishnu or any avatars as the supreme Lord; Akaal purakh, as he states next.)
Kaan sunay pahichaan ‘N’ thin so| liv laagee more pag in so
I know of their existence, but I do not ever worship them. May my prayers and thoughts always be in the immaculate, holy feet of the Lord (the one and only).
In the above Bani of Sri Guru Gobind Singh ji we can see how Guru Sahib is saying, he does not even have a thought (does not praise) of Vishnu and his incarnations enter his mind. If Vishnu and Krishna were Satguru, then why doesn't Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji even think of them when praising Vaheguru? Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji says, I know of there existence but I do not worship them and I am attached to the Lord's feet. Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji praises and thinks and worships the nine Gurus before him as we see in Bachittar Natak as stated in our Khalsa Panth daily ardas; from Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji to Sri Guru Teg Bahadur ji.
The interpretation of Bhai gurdas vaar is not wrong.... your understanding of Dasam Bani is incomplete.
that ‘chopei’ is from krishna avtar Bani... hence why mahraj mentions Vishnu but also Krishna.
To renounce or ignore something (ganesh, Vishnu etc) in light of praising something else (in this case mahakaal) that does not mean the original is to be totally neglected..... if that was the case the whole of chaubis avtar Bani would be a waste of time. It has to be read with a different mindset & then taken as part of a whole picture that Dasam Bani paints, don’t make judgments based on 1 pangti.... every Bani has an unthanika.... it’s important to learn these.
the reason Guru Gobind singh Ji does not even think about krishna & Vishnu despite them being satguru is simple.... they were satgurus of previous yugs.... mahraj is here as the messenger & guru in Kalyug... they will attach us to that which is the medicine in Kalyug... in this case Guru Nanak & vaheguru etc.
Would you go to a retired doctor who uses old methods & out of date medicines or would you go to a current active doctor who has the latest & most effective medicine available?
You have to remember nearly all the population at that time would have been followers of krishna, Rama etc... so mahraj in poetic form through gurbani had to change that mindset so that they could get people on the right treatment plan in Kalyug.... this does not change the fact that in previous yugs avtars of Vishnu were the satgurus of those yugs.
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On 12/02/2018 at 4:47 AM, Sukhvirk1976 said:These muppets lied in court pretending they weren't there to protest against a so called mixed race marriage.. What a joke.. What kind of plastic singhs are they
Well done to these Singhs who did what they had to do & escaped any legal ramifications.
If all Singhs who are actually willing to make a stand for values & maryada ended up in prison we’d be left with plastic sikhs like you who would run Sikhi into the ground with your liberal self appointed beliefs & protocols.
Theres a time & place to give sacrifice.... this situation was not one of those.... try understanding raj neeti.... to accomplish your task & avoid any damage, injury or loss is the perfect outcome.... try reading Dasam Bani to understand how TRUE Singhs & warriors function.
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45 minutes ago, InderjitS said:
In simple terms you're saying they became Mukht without physical presence of Satguru which in Gurbani as per my understanding is one and no other.
btw this requires a separate topic, it's not suitable with the heading
Nirgun parmeshvar has taken avtar as satguru in every yug.... our gurmantar reflects this according to Bhai gurdwara Ji
Vaar 1 Pauri 49 Waheguru mantar
ਸਤਿਜੁਗਿ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਵਾਸਦੇਵ ਵਵਾ ਵਿਸਨਾ ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪਾਵੈ ।
satijugi satigur vaasadayv vavaa visanaa naamu japaavai|
In Satyug, Visnu in the form of satigur Vasudev is said to have incarnated and ‘V’ Of Vahiguru reminds of Visnu.
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ਦੁਆਪਰਿ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਹਰੀ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਹਾਹਾ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪਾਵੈ ।
duaapari satigur haree krisan haahaa hari hari naamu japaavai|
The true Guru of dvapar is said to be Harikrsna and ‘H’ of Vahiguru reminds of Hari.
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ਤੇਤੇ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਰਾਮ ਜੀ ਰਾਰਾ ਰਾਮ ਜਪੇ ਸੁਖੁ ਪਾਵੈ ।
taytay satigur raam jee raaraa raam japay sukhu paavai|
In the the treta was Ram and ‘R’ of Vahiguru tells that rembering Ram will produce joy and happiness.
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ਕਲਿਜੁਗਿ ਨਾਨਕ ਗੁਰ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਗਗਾ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਨਾਮੁ ਅਲਾਵੈ ।
kalijugi naanak gur gobind gagaa gobind naamu alaavai|
In kalijug, Gobind is in the form of Nanak and ‘G’ of Vahiguru gets Govind recited.
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ਚਾਰੇ ਜਾਗੇ ਚਹੁ ਜੁਗੀ ਪੰਚਾਇਣ ਵਿਚਿ ਜਾਇ ਸਮਾਵੈ ।
chaaray jaagay chahu jugee panchaain vichi jaai samaavai|
The recitations o f all the four ages subsume in Panchayan i.e. in the soul of the common man.
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ਚਾਰੋ ਅਛਰ ਇਕੁ ਕਰਿ ਵਾਹਗੁਰੂ ਜਪੁ ਮੰਤ੍ਰ ਜਪਾਵੈ ।
chaaro achhar iku kari vaahaguroo japu mantr japaavai|
When joining four letters Vahiguru is remembered
There are 6 different types of avtar of parmeshvar.... but not all are classed as satguru.... those that were are spoken about in above vaar by Bhai Gurdas Ji
Nirgun parmeshvar is ever present & all pervading.... those who do aradhna of nirgun parmeshvar thier need for a physical guru is almost non existent because they have passed that stage..... it is their guru who instructs them to do advait saroop bhagti.... and the beauty is that when they realise nirgun parmeshvar they realise that their guru was nirgun parmeshvar in sargun form all along.... the 5 types of mukhti determines to what extent the veil of separation is lifted
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19 hours ago, Akalifauj said:
Bachittar Natak tells us for all the yugs there is only one Satguru. Vishnu and his incarnations were never satguru and they came in previous yugs(ages).
Vaar 1 Pauri 49 Waheguru mantar
ਸਤਿਜੁਗਿ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਵਾਸਦੇਵ ਵਵਾ ਵਿਸਨਾ ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪਾਵੈ ।
satijugi satigur vaasadayv vavaa visanaa naamu japaavai|
In Satyug, Visnu in the form of satigur Vasudev is said to have incarnated and ‘V’ Of Vahiguru reminds of Visnu.
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ਦੁਆਪਰਿ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਹਰੀ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਹਾਹਾ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪਾਵੈ ।
duaapari satigur haree krisan haahaa hari hari naamu japaavai|
The true Guru of dvapar is said to be Harikrsna and ‘H’ of Vahiguru reminds of Hari.
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ਤੇਤੇ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਰਾਮ ਜੀ ਰਾਰਾ ਰਾਮ ਜਪੇ ਸੁਖੁ ਪਾਵੈ ।
taytay satigur raam jee raaraa raam japay sukhu paavai|
In the the treta was Ram and ‘R’ of Vahiguru tells that rembering Ram will produce joy and happiness.
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ਕਲਿਜੁਗਿ ਨਾਨਕ ਗੁਰ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਗਗਾ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਨਾਮੁ ਅਲਾਵੈ ।
kalijugi naanak gur gobind gagaa gobind naamu alaavai|
In kalijug, Gobind is in the form of Nanak and ‘G’ of Vahiguru gets Govind recited.
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ਚਾਰੇ ਜਾਗੇ ਚਹੁ ਜੁਗੀ ਪੰਚਾਇਣ ਵਿਚਿ ਜਾਇ ਸਮਾਵੈ ।
chaaray jaagay chahu jugee panchaain vichi jaai samaavai|
The recitations o f all the four ages subsume in Panchayan i.e. in the soul of the common man.
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ਚਾਰੋ ਅਛਰ ਇਕੁ ਕਰਿ ਵਾਹਗੁਰੂ ਜਪੁ ਮੰਤ੍ਰ ਜਪਾਵੈ ।
chaaro achhar iku kari vaahaguroo japu mantr japaavai|
When joining four letters Vahiguru is remembered,
Shows how much you know....... let me guess..... Bhai Gurdas Ji was wrong?!
Bachiittar natak is way too advanced for you to understand...
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8 hours ago, Akalifauj said:
Transgender may take Amrit from the Punj Pyare. Punj Pyare can tell them if they are Singh or kaur.
Warroirs
Buddha Dal and Hazoori singhs have not fought any war for several decades. Only reason these guys have not been eliminated by the Indian government is because they are under the control of the Indian government through their leaders selling their souls. They claim to be Nihangs but the real Nihang Singh left his house to protect Sri Harmandir sahib in a moments notice. He fought without his head and showed what Nihang are made of. Buddha Dal and Hazoori singhs helped the very government that attacked Sri Akal Takht sahib in 1984 because they were power hungry. Such pathetic people will never be respected. They are playing dress up and nothing more.
The Khalsa give women khande batte da Amrit. This is what Sri Guru Gobind Singh ji did and that's what his Singhs, Punj Pyare will do.
So you want Nihangs to fight for people like you.... the same people who in 1920 supported the creation of SGPC & did nothing when the British adopted a shoot on site policy for any Nihang or Singh dressed in blue bana.... you... the same people who stood back and watched as Nihangs were forcefully removed from guru ghars across panjab & even refused langer... you the same sangat who watched Nihangs have to go into exile to Hazur Sahib & leave panjab....... now you people want Nihangs to fight & protect you?!
Mahraj pulled his fauj back along time ago.... there’s even a Bachan in Bani that backs this up.... but I won’t be telling you what Bani or bachan that is
96 crore fauj WILL fight.... those who know, know when & why...... those who don’t call themselves ‘akalifauj’ but have nothing ‘akali’ about them.
My offer still stands by the way..... I’ll pay for your flights etc to go to Hazur Sahib & run your mouth like you do on here.... and please tell the women in Hazur Sahib that they should be getting khanda da amrit.... I want to see how long it takes before 1 of them slaps the tatti off your face.
43 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:by the logic you are using , a woman can NEVER follow her Gurdev Pita ji's hukam to have pahul (since he only authorised one to replaced charan pahul )and also by that fact not achieve jiwan mukht status since Kirpan di pahul or gurti is not sufficient to make a Singh and Khande di pahul and poora rehit can only open the path to sach khand ... so you must believe like hindus that women have a fault in them that they have to be reborn as men to achieve the chance ...?
We’ve been through this many times..... Hazur Sahib ain’t hard to find.... go there and ask the women what they think then tell them you believe they should take Khande di Pahul..... you will get all the answers you need. Sikhi in Hazur Sahib puts panjab to shame.... do the maths
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8 hours ago, Sukhvirk1976 said:
The nihangs would make them eat pork!? I've never heard that do you have any sources for me to research?
The term khalsa existed before vaisakhi 1699
Awwal Allah noor upaya qudrat keh sub banday
aik noor teh sub jag upajiya kaun bhale ko mandhe
(God created light of which all the beings were born
And from this light, the universe; so who is good and who is bad?)Logaa bharam na bhoolahu maahi
khaliq khalq khalaq meh khaaliq poor rahio sarab tha'ee
(The creation is in the creator
And the creator is in the creation)
Maati aik anaik bhaanth ker saaji sajan haray
na kash poch maati kay bhanday na kash poch kunbharay
(The clay is the same, but the designer has fashioned it in various ways
Nothing is wrong with the pot of clay and there is nothing wrong with the potter)
Sub meh sacha aiko soee dis ka keya sub kuch hoyihukm pachanay saee ko janay banda kahiyeah soee
(The one true Lord abides in all and by his making everything is made
Whoever realises His command, knows the One Lord and he alone is said to be the Lord's slave)
Allah alkh na jaee lakhiya gur gur dheena meetha
kahay Kabir mair sanka naase sarab Niranjan
(The Lord Allah is invisible and He cannot be seen; the Guru has blessed me with this sweet brown sugar Says Kabir, my anxiety and fear have been taken away; I see the immaculate Lord pervading everywhere)
Yes, it comes from the word khalas.
Terms such as singh, ram, har, Narayan etc all existed prior to Sikhi.... what’s your point?
The term Khalsa did indeed exist before 1699 but in 1699 Guru mahraj named his fauj Khalsa.... it was previously known as Akal Sena at time of 6th Guru
The Khalsa fauj rehit does not come from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.... understand who & what Guru Granth Sahib Ji is & you will start to understand why
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17 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:
Kachhera preserves modesty of the wearer , it doesn't matter if the person has had amrit or not , given the problem of sexualisation of children (I mean prepubescent ) it can only be a good thing if our kids get used to wearing and maintaining rehit of Kach . Children who have been brought up with ideas of lajja will never select revealing , closefitting clothes for themselves. By your logic they should never be allowed to exercise what comes naturally but force them to select nanga firangi wear which gets them fixated on colours look etc and gives zero protection from prying eyes . Even my christian friend's daughter and lads all have this idea inside them from the start it comes from them not outside ; her daughter will not wear dresses skirts without pyjami or at least shorts ...my friends accepts and honours this .
There have been sexual type assaults(gropes, pulling down of clothes) on girls in my daughter's primary school and yes same suspects but one was done by a girl so the need is there in real life
You don’t have to be amritdhari or in full bana to wear a kachhera...... on the flip side there are many ‘amritdharis’ who wear a kachhera but get upto all sorts of kanjarpuna. Adorning a kachhera without the knowledge of why jat sat is important is a waste of time & just an outwardly ritual.
children need to be taught about the importance of jat sat & the importance of brahmacharya.... only then can the true purpose & value of a kachhera be appreciated..... I know of nanga sadhus who belonged to the udasi sampardai and they had complete control over jat sat.... much more then the majority of kachhera wearing amritdharis today.
The kachhera is just a piece of cloth if you don’t have knowledge of jat sat.....
just like a kirpan is a useless item unless you have knowledge of shaster vidya
regarding the issues at your child’s school..... I personally would have my children wear kachhera type underwear but explain to them the importance of jat sat and explain how later on when they are older the kachhera will form part of thier bana
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11 hours ago, Guest Mummy said:
WJKK WJKF Mahakaal96
I agree with you - you are correct in what you say we can never live up to the standards of such Baane wale Gursikhs - their roop cannot be matched. Your prespective is correct.
I understand your sharda but this is not correct. Those gursikhs were all humans like us.... we have the same guru they had... we have the same Bani to read that they had.... there is nothing stopping us being exactly like them.... the only thing stopping us is us thinking we can’t be like them. When we start to want to be exactly like them then the panth will flourish.
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13 hours ago, Guest Mummy said:
WJKK WJKF Mahakaal96
I agree with you - you are correct in what you say we can never live up to the standards of such Baane wale Gursikhs - their roop cannot be matched. Your prespective is correct.
Though if you could please look at it from my prespective too?
When my children wear their Baane their whole person is transformed into that of a Gursikh. The way they present themselves, walk, talk, behave etc etc is all of a positive Gursikh nature. I guess it's the blessings of the Gurmukh Saroop. It's those qualities a mother tries to dig out and nurture so their child's mindset and physical being adapts and lives by those qualities as a norm. I rather my children imitate and dress as a chardikala Gursikh in hope they idolise them rather than imitating or wanting to be like 'x' cartoon/tv character or celebrity etc. Waheguru.
Nihang Singhs have a bola.... Bani bana phunk pechano...... singh Guru ka panchi jano......
notice how Bani comes before bana.....
If your children start acting differently when they remove bana then it’s all just a show I’m afraid..... the real transformation & building of avastha has to be internal.
i think it’s really good that your children look upto Singhs & want to wear bana etc..... but if it was my child I would use that to incentivise them to learn bani & start doing nitnem etc..... say to them, if you want to wear bana when you are slightly older you must learn Bani, do nitnem, learn shaster vidya & do seva. If they are true Khalsa souls they will do whatever it takes to wear that bana...... give it a try
ps..... by nitnem I don’t mean the kids need to be reciting or listening to full nitnem 5 bania..... start them off on 5 mins waheguru jaap etc & definitely don’t force them to wake up at amritvela.... children need plenty of sleep & rest to help in growing etc
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On 11/02/2018 at 4:11 AM, TheeTurbanator said:
Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!
Lets suppose that I am a "transgender Sikh" who was originally biologically male but now identify as a female. Lets assume that I receive "Khand Di Phaul", which is the official initiation into the Khalsa Panth. Would I then call myself a Singh or a Kaur? What does Gurbani or Rehat have to say on this?
Your question is flawed..... according to puratan granths transgender people are neither male or female... they are a separate gender in their own right. Your whole question is incorrect because you haven’t even understood what a transgender person is.
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On 12/02/2018 at 3:58 PM, InderjitS said:
If they are administered kirpan dha Amrit are they considered Khalsa?
No, they are not.
The Khalsa is a BROTHERhood of warriors..... not a social club where wives, sisters & daughter etc can all come along.
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Further proof initiation into the Khalsa has been hijacked & turned into a joke..... when will you people realise the Khalsa is a fauj with rules & procedures!!!!
Could someone just start wearing a police uniform or a British army uniform because they felt like it or started dressing their kids like that because the kids liked it??! No they couldn’t!
To think there was a time when Nihang Singhs used to do 12 years of seva before being given full bana.....
What a joke the panth has become when any tom <banned word filter activated> or Harry can adopt Khalsa roop at a whim
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Considering that ‘Khande di pahul’ was only ever given to men & intended for men only your question is null and void according to maryada of Budha Dal & Hazur Sahib where even women are not given ‘Khande di Pahul’
if you are a kusra and want amrit your better of trying 1 of the ‘modern’ man made jathas with man made maryada.... they give amrit to anyone
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3 hours ago, LightofNaam said:
I didn't say they weren't able to not feel the pain.
I'm saying they chose to embrace it, detach n move on.
When there is no duality there is nothing to ‘embrace’ or ‘detach’ from, whether it’s pain or pleasure.... there is simply ‘Sat Chit Anand’.
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5 hours ago, MrDoaba said:This is offical portrait according to some sources:
This is not an official portrait..... it is the creation of giani thakur singh based on what he was told about what mata Ji looks like.
The best place to get a pic of Mata is from Mata Ji’s actual asthaan...... Gurdwara Mata Sahib Deva in Hazur Sahib. They have an old portrait of Mata there & it looks nothing like this picture.
Theres massive amounts of kirpa at Gurdwara Mata Sahib Deva..... I’m pretty certain the jathedar (currently baba Prem Singh) & other sevadars there would have a better idea of what Mata looks like based on personal darshan etc
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17 hours ago, TheeTurbanator said:
If I follow human Gurus after Guru Gobind Singh Ji, and I believe that he gave the Guruship to others. I still respect the Granth Sahib, but I don’t follow it as a final Guru.
Am I still considered a Sikh according to Gurbani? Is there anything in Gurbani saying I can’t be a Sikh?
Serious question
If your ‘human’ guru or the imposter gurus of the naamdharis really believe they are the jyot of Guru sahib then they should be able to sit on a tatti tavi like 5ve Patshah did..... ask your guru to do that.... let’s see what happens.
anyone who propagates that Dasam Patshah faked his own death & gave gurgaddi to someone else in secret should have their tongue burn at the heat of a million suns...... any <banned word filter activated> dusht that says such things should be smashed out of existence
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4 hours ago, jkvlondon said:
bro what did Guru ji say about the nature of men too, or the whole thing went whoosh over your head , how many singhnian had to be rescued by guru pita ji from their own lust in real life that were noted in sakhian? Seems you read lopsided ....
5 hours ago, Kira said:Bro PM me if you want.
I’m very aware of what mahraj said about the nature of men too, Bhai Chaupa Singhs rehitnama warns against certain types of men also.
I want to make it clear that when I say there is no equality between men & women by no means do I mean that men are higher or better then women... that’s not the case at all. The fact is Akal Purekh created men & women differently with different roles & responsibilities to fulfil.
The Khalsa is a fauj... the initiation in 1699 was for those men who were willing to join an army that would fight against our enemies.... and guess what?... a lot of ‘men’ chose not to join because they were not warriors... and that’s fine... not all men are built the same.... just like men & women ain’t the same.
A woman has a massive responsibility... far more important then going on the battlefield... if all women went to battle & got shaheed or injured then who would give birth to & raise the next generation of sants, warriors, scholars and kings?! The development of a child is a massive seva, to ensure the child is educated about sikhi & sikh ithihas, taught good manners & morals, nourished with good quality food, kept clean & in good health, focus on education & schooling.... all these things are very very important. Since women in the West have been expected to go out to work etc or women who are ‘career minded’ look at the state society is in & the way it is heading..... each generation is getting worse and worse.
As a man I would personally feel embarrassed if my sisters had to come on the battlefield & fight beside me.... what kind of men take the battlefield alongside thier sisters, daughters & mothers??!!
People have this image of Dasam Patshah being this all lovey dovey being..... he was undoubtably the moorti of Prem but not how it is portrayed now.... but along side that he was a soorma, yodha, mahabali, maharathi, soorbir bahadur who would never allow his daughters to take to the battlefield. Mai Bhago was an exception.
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1 hour ago, Kira said:
The same Rehitnama also says woman shouldn't be trusted and are deceitful. So by extension you're calling the mother of the Khalsa herself all this, as she was also a woman. I take it that's your view on your own mother too? I know you'll try and turn this on me but I have the undying respect for the Guru Mata, but that Rehitnama clearly doesn't. She is a woman, so by logic that applies to her too. No exceptions in Rehit, as none are above it. Even Guru Sahib himself bowed to Rehit.
Not being sarcastic or snarky here bro but please enlighten us. I would love to know why Guru Sahib supposedly made this "no amrit for woman" rule, then he has himself baptised the Panj, and then got himself baptized and thus bound to it...and then suddenly just changes it himself. The same Guru who bowed to the wishes of the Panj and left Chamkaur, a testament to how strict he was in his own rehit...how according to you guys, he conveniently changed it.
Denial of Amrit means denial of Sach Khand, all you're propagating here is what the Brahmins do. That woman aren't worthy of God.
Read that rehitnama after reading Charitropakhyan and see what you find........
We have to apply bibek buddi..... whatever that rehitnama or Charitropakyan says about women do you think me, nihang singhs or anyone who accepts both think the same about mata??
The point of contention with your next point is did Mai Bhago ever get given Khande di Pahul and become Mata Bhag 'Kaur' as is spread now/...... mata jis final resting astan is not to far from Hazur Sahib, its on the way to Nanak chera sahib.... go ask the locals there
I have a lot of time for you as I know you are genuinely trying to learn and have made the effort with Sarb Loh granth etc but Im not going to comment on the denial of Sach Khand comment.... I ain't got the time to get into that now and my posts have to be 'approved' first lol.... but in short ofcourse I dont think that women are not worthy of god... thats absurd
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Been discussed several times on several threads..... stick to the topic instead of doing what you usually do & derail topics..... all posts so far have been about the topic at hand until you came along *edited* (change tact next time... you 2 are becoming transparent).
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