Mahakaal96

53 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

that is mahakaal96's line of thought too

It’s also the line of thought of Bhai Chaupa singh, Budha Dal & Hazur Sahib.

people like you and the man made maryadas of ‘sants’ & sgpc would have us believe Dasam Patshah was the kind of man who would send daughters, wives & mothers to war!!!..... laughable!!! 

A sampooran yodha, soorma mahabali like Dasam Patsha is a protector of women.... not someone who puts them on the battlefield.

Mai Bhago was an exception to the general rule.... there’s reasons for that... reasons you won’t understand 

10 hours ago, Akalifauj said:

Look who's back with the same old biased, sexist, unproven drivel.  Do you not remember the conversations we had and how you could not provide anything to substantiate your claims! This resulted in you going into a rage fest and swearing at me like I took the last piece of goat meat the cowardly Hazoori singhs made for their taste buds but couldn't bother to protect humanity as they promised Sri Guru Gobind Singh ji. I feel sorry for the people who are being subjected to your sexist and hateful ways.    

I would say you have selective memory but we all know that’s not the case... instead your just an out & out lier. It was you who promised sources to prove that women were given Khande Di Pahul in 1699 but didn’t provide anything.

Bhai Chaupa Singhs rehitnama written in 1707 whilst Dasam Patshah we’re still at Hazur sahib destroys your argument & gives foundations to why Budha Dal & Hazur Sahib do not give women Khande di  Pahul.

I swore at you because you commented about another members mother without any justification... I put you in your place.

Go to Hazur sahib & mouth it off like you do on here...... in fact.... go there and tell the women they should be given Khande di Pahul.... let’s see how long it takes before 1 of them slaps the bumfluff of your face..... I’m even willing to pay for your ticket!!!

Women can’t do seva for the same reason non of the 10 Guru’s were women, non of the 5 pyare were women, 15 Bhagats who have Bani in SGGS non of them are women, there’s no historical evidence that any woman was given khande batte Di pahul in 1699.... budhal dal & Hazoor Sahib still don’t! 

A number of our Gurus were given Gurgaddi at very young age.... meaning gurgaddi could be passed on to a male ‘child’ but still never a woman.

all you ‘equal rights’ banders, if you don’t like the Sikhi our Guru established please go somewhere else... stop trying to change Guru Sahibs Sikhi 

40 minutes ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

WAIT ! whaattt ??

duhh , avtaarvaad , the doctrine that god "descends" in world via human birth is rejected in Sikhi . Guru Arjan dev said "So mukh jalo je kaheyo thakur joni"

who said this above quoted passage  btw ??

Taking ‘avtar’ & being born into a joon are 2 completely different things. To those who don’t know the difference it seems like the same thing but it’s not. 

There are 6 types of avtar.... nit, namit, avesha, ansha, kala & pooran

then there’s pooran gur avtar or pooran tam avtar

Parmeshvar can & does take avtar 

14 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

Reading and watching this update makes my blood boil, what can we do?

http://dailysikhupdates.com/Amp/kirtan-raagis/

The answer to this is simple.... all the sangat across the world stop giving any money whatsoever at any SGPC gurdwara... including harmandir sahib & all other major sites they control..... do matha tek but give no money at all. 

Once the money is gone these thieving haramde won’t have any reason to control our gurghars 

BOYCOTT THE GOLAK..... GET THEM OUT....SIMPLE 

5 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

http://www.jaisiyaram.com/blog/religion/18145-when-gods-rape-effect-of-hindu-mythology-on-today-s-society-3-nov-14.html

shiva was full of krodh

brahma had impure thoughts towards Uravashi and his own daughter the reason why his fifth head was cut off by Shiva

the more you read , the more you understand why indians are so low grade soch:

“One day the sage Atri was performing tapas with his wife Anasuya. Brahma, Visnu, and Siva came and offered him a boon, but Atri remained silent, meditating. Then the three gods went to Anasuya. Siva had his linga in his hand, Visnu was full of erotic feeling, and Brahma was beside himself with desire, saying to Anasuya, ‘Make love with me or I will die.’ When she heard this coarse speech, Anasuya made no reply, for, although she feared the anger of the gods, she was true to her husband. But they were overcome with delusion, and they raped her by force. Then she became angry and she cursed Siva to be worshipped as a linga, Brahma to be worshipped in the form of a head, and Visnu to be worshipped as feet, in order to ridicule them all, and she cursed them all to be reborn as her sons. Because of this, Siva was reborn as Durvasas.” –Bhavisya Purana 3:4:17:67-78.

Dasmesh Pita ji has told everyone how he does not recognise the devtas or listen to their praises and you are willing to make his words hollow and tie these miscreants to the pure jeevans of Baba Guru Puttaran ...SMH

When Dasmesh Pita says he does not recognise the devtas or listen to thier praises he says that to exalt parmeshavar as being the highest.... the aim of that pangti & similar ones is to focus on how great, limitless & vast parmeshvar is...the focus of those pangtia are not to cuss the devte. Millions of people worship the devte.... but mahraj is saying forget them.... nirgun parmeshvar is sole focus of my attention.... try & comprehend what mahraj is saying here...

EVERY single being in parmeshvars creation is a miscreant at 1 point or another.... the only 1 beyond any faults and the image of pure perfection & without any mistakes is parmeshvar & no one else.

Its easy to highlight the mistakes the devte made.... but if I started listing all the seva they have done we would be here a lot longer then if we were discussing thier mistakes.....

3 hours ago, NonExistant said:

Sant Ranjit Singh debunks the video of a man claiming that the Chaar Sahibzaade were hindu Deities in their past lives. 

Share to spread the truth!! 

The paranoia of some people in our panth is shocking.

In Japji Sahib mahraj says ‘Eka Mai Jugat Viyaee Tin Chele Parvan
Ik Sansari Ik Bhandari Ik Lai Diban.....

Who is mahraj talking about here?? Ik sansari is the creator brahma, ik bhandari is Vishnu & ik lai diban is Shiva.

these 3 primal devte were given seva to create, sustain & destroy after being born from adh maya on the hukam of Akal Purekh... if maya is the mother then Akal Purekh is the father of all of his creation.

If Guru Gobind Singh Ji was Akal Purekhs sargun saroop then why is it not possible for the 3 devte named above & Indra to be born in physical form as his sons?!

Can someone Show me any reference from Sri Guru Granth Sahib, Sri Dasam Granth Sahib, Sri Sarbloh Granth, the 4 Vedas, 108 upanishads, 18 purans or any of the simratees where it's says that Devi Devte are exclusive to Hinduism?!

12 hours ago, proactive said:

I've always found Jonny101's posts informative and enlightening. I don't know what thread you think he did nindya in but I highly doubt he would say anything against Mata Sundri. or Sant Jarnail Singh unless you inferred this. FYI Rattan Singh Bhangu and Giani Gian Singh were writers and not brahmgianis so their writings can be challenged and as such this does not make one a nindak. 

I'm aware that Rattan Singh Bhangu & Giani Gian Singh were writers & not brahmgyanis but on this topic their writing was based on a hukamnama by Mata Sundri Ji.

On 9/21/2017 at 9:29 AM, Jonny101 said:

 

Nothing wrong with forging relation with an enemy of an enemy. There is absolutely no wisdom in Sikhs making enemies out of Hindus and Muslims at the same time. 

DELETED.... a few weeks ago he did nindiya of mahapursh Baba Binod Singh Ji by wrongly accusing Baba Ji of being a 'mogul collaborator'..... and now he comes on here calling for relationships to be forged with Muslims.... DELETEDo back up his false allegations.

DELETED implied that Mata Sundri Ji, Rattan Singh Bhangu, Sant Jarnail Singh & Giani Gian Singh were all nindaks because they held a different opinion then him.... ?

When myself & others like @13Mirch first challenged his views a few months back he DELETED

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Accuses a mahapursh of being a moghul collaborator then says we should forge relationships with Muslims.... 

Sikhs need to wise up & realise the world ain't all lovey dovey.... Muslims especially will never have the best interests of sikhs or any non Muslims at heart.... it goes against their beliefs... it's a part of their religion to wage jihad against all kafirs.

If the sangat, like me is not happy with Khalsa Aid spending money on helping Muslims then the solution is simple.... stop your donations!

In my opinion Ravi Singh has become a fame chaser... helping sikhs in Punjab only draws limited attention if any..... going to places that are all over the news etc has bought him attention from the BBC & other media outlets.... he knows what he's doing... jumping on the bandwagon of media 'hot' incidents to get more exposure

45 minutes ago, Jacfsing2 said:

This one statement proves my point. 

Doesn't prove anything.

first padd ched saroop & Gutka Sahibs were written by shaheed Bhai Mani Singh Ji .... some in puratan sampardai believe that Bhai Mani Singh being cut bhund by bhund was the price they had to pay for cutting Gurbani up into padd ched saroop.... which was actually done by Bhai Mani Singh to assist the panth in the future by making Gurbani easier to read for the masses.

28 minutes ago, Jacfsing2 said:

Read any history book from the Singh Sabha Movement, and you will see that Dasam Granth was speared. What part of that are you trying to argue against? Where does it say that it was someone from the Singh Sabha Movement? Read any text, same information will defend the claim that the Nihangs did it. (Other than Babbar Akalis, most Singh Sabha people didn't have many Shastars other than a kirpan). Think logically for once in your life.

I had a slight suspicion that you were retarted but I am convinced that you are now! Your saying the Nihangs speared their own granth, said it was full of filth, threw it out of a window but then took it with them & then continued to do Prakash of Dasam Granth until this day at all their gurdwaras & chaunis??!!

waa vi waa.... these are the type of people we need in our panth.... intellect like this the panth will definitely flourish (face palm) 

29 minutes ago, Jacfsing2 said:

Also since you are retarded by very nature, I highly doubt that even if I showed you the direct reference, you'd probably continue your buffoonery like you've always done on this site.

Provide the source & reference. Several other people on this thread have disagreed with you & said the same as what I have said... stop looking for excuses & provide the source that says it was Nihangs who speared & threw Sri Dasam Granth Sahib out of Akal takhat... your the only one on this thread making that claim so back it up

1 hour ago, Jacfsing2 said:

Best to read some actual history sometimes instead of propaganda.

 

So who appeared Dasam Granth?

Provide reference of the historical source that says Nihangs speared & removed Sri Dasam Granth from Akal Takhat?

Your anti Dasam granth views are starting to reveal themselves which is not surprising.... you lack basic level of intellect... there's no chance you will ever understand Dasam Granth Bani.... the total bakwas that you wrote about Kalki Avtar Bani on another thread shows how far off the mark you are

1 hour ago, Jacfsing2 said:

No, the Nihangs did.

I've told you before, stop posting on subjects you know nothing about. How on earth was it the Nihangs who removed Dasam Granth after spearing the saroop?!! It was the reformist lap dogs of the British who did that after getting women to attack Baba Sahib Singh Kaladhari who was the then jathedar of Budda Dal & Akal Takhat.

They forcefully took control of Akal Takhat by removing the Nihangs & threw Dasam Granth out of a window & told the Nihangs to take their Granth with them.

you lack any sort of substance on most subjects you post on.... why don't you actually learn something before spreading lies & more ignorance... this is what is holding our panth back... the blind are leading the blind 

12 hours ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

I consider myself fortunate to live in same state as hazur sahib . Hazur sahib is 12 hour drive from my home and 9 hour by train journey. Hope to visit it soon .  

But before that I have a few questions on the different maryada in hazur sahib, and in the way the sikhs there worship.

1) Why does the main sewadar singh (currently Bhai Kulwant Singh ji) wrap a sheet of cloth around their body over their chola ? What is the meaning of it ? Its very much like nirmala sikh, except the sewadar singh wears a decorative one 

 

 

2) Why do they hold what looks to me like an arrow with mini-kirpan head while doing ardas and later take wash it in water from godavari river and add that "blessed water" to kadah prasad ?

 

3) Why does the door to inner chamber (angitha sahib) is opened only after ardas at around 6 am in the morning and after ardas as the door is opened, the singh who did ardas rings bells vigorously with both hands . What is significance of this ?

4) Why does the singh in above pic (the main sewadar) once come outside the angitha sahib, lowers the purdah and rings bell , then once again lifts the purdah and goes in again . What is meaning of this ?

I get a live telecast from hazur sahib on tv . I tend to wake up at 5.30 just to see all of this rituals, but I never understand what do they mean and whence they're doing it ?

With all due respect to Sri Hazur sahib and maryada.

Best thing to do is ask the sevadars when you visit Hazur Sahib... Baba Kulwant Singh & the other Decani Singhs are very approachable

1 hour ago, JS79 said:

If you followed the conversation I was not referring to Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Duh. 

I know exactly what the conversation was... your a nindak of Dasam Bani... but if we apply the logic you apply to Dasam Bani to Guru Granth Sahib Ji as well it exposes your missionary taught hatred towards Dasam Bani. 

You call Bani of Dasam Bani as 'hindu stories'.... but there are many 'hindu stories' contained in Guru Granth Sahib!

Dont think we don't know what you missionary bast*ards are up too.... once you break away gullible sangat from Sri Dasam Granth by using the whole 'Hindu stories' approach you will do the same about Guru Granth Sahib

13 hours ago, JS79 said:

We dont all refer to hindu stories as gurbani

 

The story of Bhagat Prehlaad Ji can be found in many Hindu granths.... it's can also be found in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.... should we stop calling that Gurbani??

The strory of Bhagat dhruv Ji can be found in Hindu granths & in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji... should we stop calling that Gurbani??

References to Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva & Indra etc can be found in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji... should we stop calling that Gurbani??

Show me any reference from Sri Guru Granth Sahib, Sri Dasam Granth Sahib, Sri Sarbloh Granth, the 4 Vedas, 108 upanishads, 18 purans or any of the simratees where it's says that Devi Devte are exclusive to Hinduism?

6 minutes ago, Prokharkoo84 said:

So despite eating meat for power etc, what is your meat crew doing now? Are you struggling to surivive without it? Budha Dal sold out in 84 we all know that, and yeah some Singhs associated to it may have fought after 84, but you know aswell as i do most lads were not nihangs. So back to the main point, despite you lot eating meat etc, what are you producitvely doing for the quom? All i see is a bunch of weirdos dressed up as Singhs, chopping animals up that cant fight back shouting jakareh. Can you lot do that against panth dhokis? Nope didnt think so lol.

The biggest panth dokhis right now are the sgpc... they are attempting to take control of Budha Dal.... real Budha Dal Singhs killed 4 of their stooges a few years ago and just a few weeks ago literally beheaded another sgpc stooge near fateh garh sahib.

What have taksalis done about dhumma?

10 minutes ago, Prokharkoo84 said:

For starters yeah we are proud the Singhs put it on the worlds 3rd largest army for 10 days despite being outnumbered by thousands. Secondly yeah no Khalistan, have any of the meat eating crew helped achieve it? Khalistan would have been for all Sikhs regardless of jatha and non Sikhs alike. Questions for you... WHERE WERE YOUR MEAT CREW WHILE THE DEHLI GENOCIDE HAPPENED? WHEN OPERATION WOODROSE HAPPENED? if you can answer these then fair play, but i doubt you will.

I personally don't care about any Dal, jatha or taksal.... that all comes secondary to the panth.

The same stupid divisions like meat issue etc are the same stupid divisions that stopped everyone coming together in 1984... there was stupidity on both sides. Hundreds of nihangs took part in the movement regardless of what Budha Dals official stance was.

Instead of clinging to victories like holding the army off for 10 days we need to unite, put little difference like what someone eats just to keep this TEMPORARY' body alive & focus more on how to establish our homeland, get revenge against our enemies & live up to the glorious past of our shaheeds.

7 hours ago, CHaamCHrick said:

Just when I decided to .......lo and behold,  the Mule everyone's been waiting for responds! Overwhelmed by and heavily laden with tons and tons and tons of humai/ego he brays on! Everyone please, put your hands together and welcome this unparr gawar to the forum!

We didn't know you really 'bought up' ..................................because someone 'eluded to'...........................?  You are either stupid or illiterate. It has to be either or both. I am not sure which?

Learn to write correct English first.  What a p******k can't even put two simple words of English together but has the audacity to rattle like a venomous reptile.  Please carry on rattling and spewing as much venom as you wish... ..........rattle ....rattle.........rattle........nothing  to do with the topic..lol!!!!!  

 

 

I'd rather post something that has some substance... rather than a grammatical masterpiece that has no relevance!

Lets all forget maryada given by mahraj or lessons taught by mahapurekhs & follow this hippy bast*rds manmat... he says it's ok to read any Bani at any time..... so let's start reading Punj bania at night.... read kirtan sohila at amrit vela.... read rehras at sunrise... read asa Di vaar at sunset.

Ignore the seasons and baramaha & let's just read whatever regardless of what season it is.... let's ignore all the different raags & their maryada & just recite them whenever.

Forget gurmat and examples set out by great mahapurekhs.... instead follow this hippy bast*ards manmat

9 hours ago, CHaamCHrick said:

Bro, are you on par with such a great Mahapurakh? You are a searcher and a seeker, please, recite the whole of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, the Dasam Granth and the Sarabloh Granth whenever you are beckoned by the Guru to do so.

Don't go into pakhands like the MULES. Just be a genuine seeker and pray from your heart. The Guru (G-d) is right there with you as He is right here with me as I type with my long knobbly knuckly fingers on this very keyboard. Please don't fall prey to bharam bhooseys and don't EVER make a mistake of thinking that you can ever be on par with Mahaan Mahapurakhs ever so to mimic them. Recite all your banies from the bottom of your heart with great love, care and respect.

Learn how to read.... show me where I or anyone else on this thread said they were on par with mahapurekhs? 

I bought up Sant Baba Harnam Singh because it's written in their jeevani that chandi Di Vaar should not be recited after sunset.... someone eluded to that point so I provided the reference. It was a bachan given to Sant Harnam Singh by Shaheeds as a maryada for chandi Di vaar... so if anyone else followed that maryada, according to you they would consider themselves on par with Baba Harnam Singh?!!..... just when I thought the level of stupidity on this site couldn't get any worse you came along.

Fool comes on here giving out advice that has nothing to do with this thread & making up situations out of thin air just so you can give out advice as if your some know it all mahapurekh yourself.

Sants say empty vessels always make the most noise.... you made plenty of noise on here... most of it not even remotely related to the topic of the thread.

2 minutes ago, Jacfsing2 said:

The reason apparently someone isn't supposed to do it at night is because it's a bani meant for preparation of war. If someone does it at night, they should do it all night. I don't know about Ugardanti, so can't answer that part.

You half talk some rubbish.

The whole not doing it after sunset story comes from the jeevani of Sant Baba Harnam Singh Rampur Khere wale. 

Nihangs don't follow any such restrictions that I know off.

Singhs in puratan times used to launch attacks on the enemy at midnight... they didn't wait until the sun came up so they could recite certain Bani & then attack as the above post suggests