Mahakaal96

23 minutes ago, TaksalDaSingh9771 said:

Waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh 

What time should one do path of chandi di vaar or ugardanti. I heard youre not supposed to do it at night. Can someone pls explain 

thx 

waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh 

Why don't you ask someone from taksal?.... after all your username suggests you are a singh from taksal.... 

They will know

2 hours ago, JotSinghUK said:

Liberal extremism is only bad when pandering to everyone to fit in western society (or any group including Hindus, Muslims etc) however women have been given equality by our Gurus so there is no pandering there. If you think so please show me one Gurbani tuk which says women should have a secondary role or lesser place in Sikhi. Because I have never found one. And though not explicit with gender I have found many tuks stating that as Gurmukhs we are to see everyone equally. Though to be fair it does say also that those who can do so are altars indeed and this is a great example. Just because we are stronger physically we think we are superior and should have more privilege over them when Gurbani does not support this. Despite our physical bodies, Gurbani says that we are judged on our actions alone. Therefore a woman of high avastha should be judged on that and not her gender which she had no control over.  

On grand scheme of things, everything is one. There is no duality. Akal Purakh IS everything and everyone. Our separate consciousness is an illusion created by this duality. In fact even our bodies are illusion. The Gurus knew this. If we continue to perpetuate the illusion by privileging some and limiting others on things which are out of their control like their gender which is only for procreation, then we only serve to solidify the illusion caused by duality. If we instead realize that every soul literally is Waheguru then it's not so hard to see how can you limit anyone based on caste colour gender or anything else. You are essentially delving further into duality by telling someone no they can't do something no matter how high their spiritual level is. In reality you are hurting yourself more than them.

A brahamgiani their main realization is seeing past this illusion and seeing all as one. When we surpass duality then we begin to realize the divine in our own self. 

Im not saying anything should be changed, rather I am saying Sikhi always considered all humans equally. What some Sikhs have done or thought (yes even Sants) will be based on what they were taught from whatever samprada they originated. We already have several sampradas disagreeing on several different issues and claiming they were originated directly from Guru Ji so how can this be? The answer is human thought, locked and isolated in this physical reality and separated from the true ONEness of all. The reason I say even Sants is not to cause disrespect at all. A sant is someone who follows exactly religious life and has high knowledge but that knowledge will be based on the path they took to reach that level, which we know there are several different ways. But a Sant is not necessarily a Brahamgiani (they could be) but the two are mutually exclusive. 

In Gurbani there is a tuk which says when one realizes within that HE IS ME and realizes their own self, then what more is there to be done? When someone realizes that he IS me (The divine within) then they realize that everyone else is also that same divine jyot. That includes women.

So no I am not pandering to anyone and I don't have a problem with women doing seva as Panj Pyaras because I try to see past the body and see the light within. I'm trying to see past duality which I think is our whole point of existence. 

Please forgive me sangat Ji if I have said anything wrong. 

 

Can you tell me why all 10 Gurus were men?

Why all 15 Bhagats with Gurbani in Sri Guru Granth Sahib are all men?

Why all 5 of the Panj Pyare were men?

You deluded fools seem to think that our rehat comes from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji but it doesn't.... SGGS is a spiritual guide for the whole universe.... the khalsa's maryada is something different entirely.

6 minutes ago, Akalifauj said:

NAng has nothing to add other than his own life story.  I knew from the beginning you were a bang.

First you said I was a homosexual but your story came out how you only want men to be amritdharis and not women for your sexual needs.  Now you write this elaborate story.  You don't know who I am or my family is.  Yet in detail you have this elaborate story.  This can only mean one thing.  The story is about someone close to you.  Someone really close to you.  You like playing mind games before you tell your life story with other men. Soorry mate, I'm not into your bang slap fest.  Open up to someone 3else.

Great comeback.... son of a gay Muslim donkey father & a gay Muslim donkey raping mother.

Like I said, my work here is done.

24 minutes ago, Akalifauj said:

The Bana has been introduced sense Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji time.  I know you nangs wear dhoti.  And no one wants to know your dhoti activities.  Young children visit this site.  Other things were added like shastar over time.

Nang it was you who was getting hard over McLeod translations about exclude women from Amrit.  Since an amritdharis can't have sexually relations with a non amritdharis.  This makes sense now.  You could have came out of the closest then.  Nothing wrong with being homosexual.  Now we understand you want amritdharis nangs like you for some slap fest.   And we all know you are receiver.

More made up facts by wannabe akali... bana was introduced during 10ve patshahs time.... real akalis know the history of akali bana but I won't be sharing it with a faggot like you. 

You attacked someone on this thread for no reason... bringing his mum into it.... so let's tell everyone about your ancestry....

Your mum raped a gay Muslim donkey (the donkey was Muslim as it belonged to a Muslim family & they had circumcised him). 9 months after your mum raped the gay Muslim donkey she shat you out.... 

Most of your genetics come from your father (the donkey) hence why you bark like a fanatical Muslim & are as thick as a ghada (donkey). The genetics you received from your mother account for your extremely small manhood (she has a small one too) & your man boobs.

Your the offspring of a gay Muslim donkey that was raped by your mother.

My work here is done.... learn how to play nice... 

3 hours ago, Akalifauj said:

The bana was introduced before any Sikh was given a shastar.  Your mommy is probably calling you to go drink milk...go run along little boy.

The bana was introduced during the time of 10ve patshah... shasters were introduced during the time of 6ve patshah.... the Akal Sena was the fauj of 6ve patshah. 6ve patshah gave a blessing to Baba Budha Ji that one day the Akal Sena would march under their name.... they became Budha Dal.

A real 'Akali' would know the history of the Akalis.... wannabe akalis like you can only come on forums and give it large.... having the username 'akalifauj' won't stop the fact that you probably get bullied, look like tutti, have a small manhood & are most probably a closet homosexual with latent homosexual desires.

10 Gurus all men

15 Bhagats whose Bani is in Guru Granth Sahib all men

5 Pyare all men....

Those who want complete equal rights can <banned word filter activated> off & go start their own panth..... leave our panth the way Guru Sahib intended it to be.

47 minutes ago, Akalifauj said:

Stfu.....you have been trying to intimidate poster jonny for the past several days.  You are a nindak.  He's not like your uncle friend, moni, barking like a wild dog all day everyday on this forum.

If relying on granth of Rattan Singh Bhangu, katha of Sant Jarnail Singh, hukamnama of Mata Sundri Ji, commentary by Gian Singh, historical figures like Baba Deep Singh, Nawab Kapur Singh & Baba Mani Singh amounts to intimidation then so be it.... I suppose threatening people with hell & punishments in the afterworld for relying on the above named gursikhs must be a more gurmat approach then?!

I don't mind debating/arguing with people like Jonny... his opinions may be different to mine but I still know his opinion comes from somewhere genuine...... you on the other hand are a different story..... your just an infant who unfortunately only has 2 brain cells.... 1 of which you urinate through. No more replies to you

1 hour ago, Akalifauj said:

You must have been dropped on your head several times.  Learn how to bring up comparable situations.  The difference between bahadur shah approaching Sri Guru Gobind Singh ji is that Guru Sahib was not in war with bahadur shah.  Bahadur shah was kicked out of mughals army by his brother for the seat of the king as their father had died.  Yet in the case of Banda Singh Bahadur, he was waging war with the mughals.  Hence they are not comparable.  Blondes even know how to compare and contrast.  In your case, you don't wear a dastar as a Sikh but as a bandage for being dropped on your head too many times.

I take it Mata Sundri Ji was at war directly with Mughals then?..... stupid clown.

Bahadur Shah may not have been in a direct war with Guru Sahib but he was still a Mughal... the son of Aurangzeb no less. Mata Sundri Ji was not in direct war with the Mughals but she was still the mehal of Guru Sahib.

The bottom line is you know nothing about raj neeti.

In your case, you wear a dastar because mummy & daddy told you to. Your attempting to grow a beard... for the soul purpose of wanting to cover up that mess you have to call your face.

5 minutes ago, Jonny101 said:

It is one thing to have a discussion with light jokes but it would be appreciated if you don't mention my parents in this discussion in such a vulgar manner. Anyway, I'm done with this.

I'd appreciate it if discussions could be had with respect... especially when those discussions & opinions are based on our historical granths & opinions of great mahapurekhs.... instead of words like 'nindak' being flung around so loosely. 

32 minutes ago, Akalifauj said:

Bimbo, was bahadur shah waging a war with Sri Guru Gobind Singh ji when bahadur shah made an alliance with Sri Guru Gobind Singh ji?  Guru Sahib didn't go to him for an alliance. 

Where did I say mahraj went to him for an alliance.... wannabe 'akali' fauj doing his usual of making things up out of thin air again.

The point was made to show how raj neeti works... something most of you know absolutely nothing about. 

Bahadur Shah came to Guru Sahib for help... just as the Mughals came to Mata Sundri Ji wanting to establish a truce, this does not make them collaborators with the Mughals.

1 hour ago, Jonny101 said:

If you think Mata ji is a collaborator with the Mughals who were waging a deadly war on the Khalsa then I feel sorry for you. You are just as illogical as the missionaries. Your shamelessness on this thread has inspired me to dedicate this poem to you in regards to doing Nindia of a Gurmukhi Pyara, Baba Banda Singh Bahadur

ਗ਼ਾਫ਼ਲ ਹੋਇਆ ਕਰਦਾ ਨਿੰਦਾ, ਤੂੰ ਹੋਕੇ ਪੂਰਾ ਬੇਸ਼ਰਮ।
ਬੰਦਾ ਸਿੰਘ ਦਾ ਨਿੰਦਕ ਬਣਕੇ, ਨਾ ਕਮਾ ਇਹ ਕੁਕਰਮ।

ਹਠੀ ਹੋਕੇ ਜ਼ਿਦ ਵਿਚ ਖੋਕੇ, ਕਰਦੇਂ ਬੜੀ ਤੂੰ ਗੱਲ ਕੋਝੀ।
ਬੰਦਾ ਸੀ ਬੇਦਾਗ ਹਸਤੀ, ਜ਼ਿਹਨ ਵਿਚ ਲਿਆ ਇਹ ਸੋਝੀ।

ਤੁਰਕਾਂ ਪਾਸੋਂ ਤਸੀਹੇ ਝੱਲੇ, ਪਰ 'ਸੀ' ਨਹੀਂ ਸੀ ਇਨ ਕੀਤੀ।
ਐਸੀ ਸ਼ਹਾਦਤ ਕਰੇ ਕੋਈ ਵਿਰਲਾ, ਜੋ ਬੰਦੇ ਨੇ ਹੜਬੀਤੀ।

ਬੇਤਾਜ ਅਮੀਰ ਸੀ ਇਹ ਬੰਦਾ, ਫਿਰ ਭੀ ਰਹੇ ਗੁਰੂ ਦਾਸ ਹੀ।
ਗੁਰੂ ਗੁਰੂ ਕਰੇ ਦਿਨ ਰਾਤੀ, ਸਿਮਰ ਕਰੇ ਸਾਸ ਗਰਾਸ ਜੀ।

ਕੁਫਰ ਤੋਲਣ ਬਥੇਰੇ ਨਿੰਦਕ, ਪਰ ਸੱਚ ਨਹੀਂ ਉਹਨਾਂ ਪਾਸ।
ਬੇਮਿਸਾਲ ਸ਼ਹਾਦਤ ਬੰਦੇ ਦੀ, ਜੋ ਇਲਜ਼ਾਮ ਕਰੇ ਸਭ ਨਾਸ।

ਸਵੇਰ ਦਾ ਭੁਲਾ ਸ਼ਾਮੀ ਆਏ, ਨਾ ਕਹਿੰਦੇ ਉਸਨੂੰ ਭੁੱਲਣਹਾਰਾ।
ਹੁਣ ਤ ਨਿੰਦਾ ਛੱਡਦੇ ਸਿੰਘਾਂ, ਬੰਦੇ ਦਾ ਗੁਰੂ ਹੈ ਬਕਸ਼ਨਹਾਰਾ।

 

Once again, you show your lack of knowledge when it comes to raj neeti.... I take Guru Gobind Singh Ji was a collaborator with Mughals as well when they helped Bahadur Shah.... you really have no understanding of even the basics of raj neeti.

Do you consider Sant Jarnail Singh a nindak of Banda Bahadur? He done katha, links to which can be found on this thread. In that katha he says Banda wanted to be revered as Guru.... so is Sant Jarnail Singh a nindak? 

Giani Gian Singh wrote about matas hukamnama..... is he a nindak too?

Rattan Singh Bhangu, Baba Deep Singh, Baba Mani Singh & Nawab Kapur Singh must all be nindaks according to your logic.

Its a shame your parents named you 'Jonny',... but didn't use a 'jonny' on the night they copulated leading to your conception.

16 minutes ago, Jonny101 said:

Mata Ji's letter was forged by the Mughals to pacify the Sikh warriors so they would stop following Baba ji. That is why the Sikhs did not stop following Baba ji and continued on waging war against the Mughals.  The only time some Sikhs made the mistake of abandoning Baba ji was in Gurdas Nangal due to binod singh's treachery. So stop putting my Mata ji down to the level of your binod singh. Same with Baba Deep Singh ji. He has given divine Darshan to Sant Gurbachan Singh bhindranwale along with Baba Banda Singh Bahadur and other Brahmgiani Shaheeds which further proves his exaulted position among Shaheeds.

 

Baba ji was personally chosen by Guru Sahib to lead the Khalsa. I have much more faith in Guru Sahib's choice than you. 

 

Still it is not too late. You are still alive and I advise you to repent for your sinful Karms on this forum of doing Nindia of a Brahmgiani Mahapurkh. Or else you will regret this dusht Karms in Jamlok but then it will be too late to repent.

Mata jis letter was forged?!! You really are a besharam. I take it Panth Prakash was written by the Mughals... Sant Jarnail Singhs katha was edited by the Mughals...  Bhai Mani Singh was influenced by the Mughals....Nawab Kapur Singh, Baba Deep Singh & others were all tricked by the Mughals but you Jonny & followers of a man made cult are correct.

No one man has ever been chosen to lead the Khalsa.... the Khalsa is lead by Panj Pyare.... Banda Singh was put under the command of Panj Singh. 

Anything I have said is inline with the above named gursikhs.... your nindiya of Baba Binod Singh cannot be backed up by any historical granth or opinion of any mahapurekh. 

You sound like a fanatical Muslim.... when they have nowhere else to run or any answers of credibility they respond with threats of hell & punishment in the afterworld. 

9 hours ago, Jonny101 said:

It is just semantics. Forget spirit or soul.

ਗੁਰੂ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਫਰਮਾਉਂਦੇ ਨੇ "ਸੰਤ ਕਾ ਨਿੰਦਕ ਦੋਖ ਮਹਿ ਦੋਖ" ਸੋ ਤੇਰੀ ਜਿਹੜੀ ਬਾਬਾ ਜੀ ਪ੍ਰਤਿ ਇਹ ਨਿੰਦਿਆ ਹੈ ਬਾਬਾ ਜੀ ਨੂੰ ਇਸਦਾ ਕੋਈ ਫਰਕ ਨਹੀਂ ਪੈਣਾ ਕਿਓਂਕਿ  "ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਗਿਆਨੀ ਸਦਾ ਨਿਰਲਪ"

ਪਰ ਹਾਂ , ਜੇ ਫਰਕ ਪੈਣਾ ਤਾ ਤੈਨੂੰ ਹੀ ਪਊ ਜਦ ਤੇਰਾ ਵਾਹ ਜਮਦੂਤਾਂ ਨਾਲ ਪਿਆ|| ਪਰ ਇਹ ਗੱਲ ਤੈਨੂੰ ਉਸ ਵਖਤ ਸਮਝ ਆਊਗੀ ਜਦ ਤੈਨੂੰ ਬਾਬਾ ਜੀ ਵਰਗੇ ਸੰਤ ਮਹਾਪੁਰਸ਼ ਦੀ  ਨਿੰਦਾ ਕਰਨ ਦੇ ਜੁਰਮ ਵਿਚ ਤਸੀਹੇ ਝੱਲਣੇ ਪੈਣੇ.

it is one thing if a person innocently does Nindia of a Brahmgiani like Babaji after reading Panth Prakash. But when a person is made aware of the slander against Baba Jee in Panth Prakash and still insists upon continuing his Nindia then he is responsible for his own torture he will endure in Yamlok from Jamdoots.

Again, apply what you are saying to yourself & your nindiya of Baba Binod Singh..... nindiya that no written source or opinion from any mahapurekh would back up.

Baba Binod Singh was CHOSEN to be the first jathedar of Budda Dal after Banda Singh had been shaheed for some time.... Baba Binod Singh being chosen to lead Budda Dal was approved by Nawab Kapur Singh, Baba Deep Singh, Baba Mani Singh Ji not to mention other prominent gursikhs of that time.

All of the above names were wrong in their opinion of Baba Binod Singh but you are right.....

Rattan Singh Bhangu, Mata Sundri Ji, Sant Jarnail Singh & Bhai Mani Singh were all wrong about Banda Singh but you are right.....

The people who made the video posted by OP belong to a man made cult..... personality worship is a part of who they are.... but they and you are right.... all the above named gursikhs are all wrong.

P.S. spirit or soul is not just semantics, there's a huge difference.

The root cause of this problem is the major misconception that men & women are equal in Sikhi... that anything a man can do so can a woman. 

Mahraj afforded respect to women, equality on the basis that they too are creation of parmeshvar but that does not mean we should forget that parmeshvar created men & women for different roles & functions.

This men women equality <banned word filter activated> has screwed over Panjab too, girls drinking & taking drugs.... compare that to Hazur Sahib, where they follow puratan maryada of Guru Gobind Singh.... the women in that area are devis who produce & bring up strong brave sons who love Dasam Pita & sikhi.... not scagged out junkies who produce offspring who are half dead at birth 

31 minutes ago, Jonny101 said:

Mata ji had nothing to do with Binod Singh's son being released. That was all Binod Singh doing. The traiters had no real reason for doing what they did so they are tarnishing the name of Mata ji by trying to connect her to their treachery to Baba ji. Unlike Puratan times, today we have a lot of info regarding what happened back then and the lies are finally being exposed. 

 

And the so called difference between the two groups has also been disproved  by historians and even in the video by the OP.

 

Baba ji was, is and always will be held in high regard by Guru Sahib.  No amount of slander will be able to change that. Only thing is, I am concerned for your spirit and how much punishment it will go through for the Paaps it is currently adding up for the slander against a Brahmgiani.

I think you need to understand what slander is... then apply that understanding to what you are saying about Baba Binod Singh.

I take it Mata Sundri Ji was committing slander when she issued a hukamnama against Banda Singh?

I take it Sant Jarnail Singh was committing slander when he did katha on Banda Singh inline with Panth Prakash.

I take it Rattan Singh Bhangu, the grandson of Mehtab Singh who killed Massa Rangar was committing slander when he wrote Panth Prakash.

P.S Thank you for your concern towards my 'spirit'.... it's appreciated but I'd rather focus on my 'soul' 

3 hours ago, Jonny101 said:

What are you talking about? Binod Singh was the only one of the Panj Pyaras who left the councel of the Punj Pyaras and abandoned the Singhs. All the other 4 of the 5 Pyaras remained with Baba Ji including Binod SIngh's OWN SON!

Binod Singh had contacts with the Mughals. He then recieved a Jagir from them for his treachery. This treacherous person then uses his influence with his Mughals friends to free his son from death. So this traiter not only broke ranks and disobeyed his leader, he left the councel of the Panj Pyaras, he saves his own son while letting all the other Singh die.

On the other hand, Baba Jee was a Bedaagh Shaksee`at (a blot less personality). He was personally handpicked by Gurus Sahib. He lived and for his Guru's commands. He killed the killers of the Sahibzade, he created the first Sikh state and uprooted 800 years of Muslim rule. He gave land to the peasants who were living like serfs. And if that isn't enough, he died such a unimaginable torturous death but did not waver one bit. He had his own son's beating heart shoved into her mouth  How can you compare this to the traitor who saved his son and accepted Jagir from the Mughals!

I will defend Baba Jee as long as I have swaas in my body. You are doing Nindya of this Brahmgiani Mahapursh. You have no idea how much Paap you are putting on your head by doing this.

It was actually Mata Sundri Ji who negotiated peace with the Mughals. It was Mata who secured the release of Baba Binod Singhs son... Baba Binod Singh was from the family of Guru Amar Das.

If Bandai Khalsa were the ones in the right then when Baba Mani Singh placed two pieces of paper in the sarovar at Harimandir Sahib, one for Tat Khalsa & the other for Bandai Khalsa & did ardas to mahraj to show which side were the true sons of Guru Sahib & the upholders of gurmat, mahraj chose Tat Khalsa which was being led by Baba Binod Singh.... Mahrajs hukam went in favour of Tat Khalsa & Baba Binod Singh!

You just can't accept you are out of your depth on this one, have made a massive error in judgement & are too spineless to apologise..... at the moment you stand on one side with your opinion.... anything I have said is based on Rattan Singh Bhangu, Hukamnama of Mata Sundri Ji, katha of Sant Jarnail Singh, Baba Mani Singh decision at Harminder Sahib. Anything I have said or implied about Banda Singh is based on the writings/opinions of the above maha gursikhs so how I've done nindiya eludes me. You on the other hand have made accusations about Baba Binod Singh that no mahapursh or any historical granth would validate.... carry on....

19 minutes ago, Jonny101 said:

Why would I respect the person who disobeyed his leader at a critical time, got Jageer from the Mughals and then used his power and influence to get his son freed from Mughal captivity while letting hundreds of Singh's get Shaheed in Delhi. He was a Santa Singh of his time period. 

Baba Binod Singh didn't disobey anyone, he was never under the command of Banda, rather, as per the wishes of Guru Mahraj Banda was under the command of Panj Singh, one of whom was Baba Binod Singh. If anyone disobeyed, it was Banda when he considered himself above the Khalsa.

Nawab Kapur Singh and the panth accepted jageer from the Mughals to, I suppose you consider him as a 'baba Santa singh of his time'. 

The bottom line is, you know nothing about raj neeti.

Answer @13Mirch, do you want him to put up the audio clip in which Sant Jarnail Singh agrees with the perception of Banda as depicted by Rattan Singh Bhangu? 

Why is there a hukamnama from Mata Sundri Ji commanding all sikhs to abandon Banda because he had abandoned gurmat? 

According to you, Baba Binod Singh was wrong, Mata Sundri Ji was wrong, Rattan Singh Bhangu was wrong & Sant Jarnail Singh was wrong..... but you and your modern historians are right..... clown!!

1 hour ago, Jonny101 said:

Finally, someone has done a good job in defending Baba Ji. Although I think they could have done even more but even a little bit is good in defending Baba Ji. many snatanis will not like this one bit. It is understandable since they have tried very hard to demonize Baba Ji with lies and pure Nindya. But Baba Banda Singh Bahadur is like the moon. Those who try to spit at the moon will soon regret it when their own spit lands back on their face.

People do not realize how much Paap they are burdening themselves under by doing Nindya of a Brahmgiani like Baba Ji. We had some Nindaks tried to do the same to Sant Jee but no one listens to them anymore. Same is with Baba Banda Singh Bahadur. Baba Jee is very much respected by the Sikh masses as a spotless Sikh personality. And God willing, Baba Jee's memory and prestige will be enhanced even more in future

As opposed to the paap you burdened yourself with when you did maha nindya of Baba Binod Singh..... when you was challenged you ran away from this site with your tail between your legs. There's hukamname from Mata Sundar Ji telling the sangat to not follow Banda anymore as he went of the path of gurmat. Rattan Singh Bhangu was from a family of great gursikhs, he's a much more reliable source then any of these other modern 'historians'. 

Baba Deep Singh once removed his dastar to cover the modesty of a female who had been abducted by the Muslims... countless times Singhs preserved the honour of thousands of women and what do we have today.... pathetic half men defending this kind of behaviour! What she wears in her day to day life is her business but you clowns are defending her appearing infront of Guru Sahib dressed like that. To all you pro feminist half men... ask your mother, sister, daughter or wife to dress like that & take her to the gurdwara... let's see how your feminism is then. A REAL man is naturally a feminist in that he respects, honours & protects his woman.... a real feminist is not someone who supports a woman parading half naked infront of Guru Sahib. 

News flash for all you pathetic 'feminist' half men.... women want a real man, an alpha male who respects her, keeps her safe & protected & supports her....real women don't want a pathetic doormat.

The inside of the kabba contains 3 pillars & a smaller white coloured alter shaped box. Legend has it that the alter imprisons the shiv lingham.

That whole site was a massive mandir in the past with hundreds of murtia of Devi devta. The Muslims & Mohammed destroyed them all except this shiv lingham... which they imprisoned.