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1 minute ago, MisterrSingh said:

Where have I argued any differently? I've suggested a soldier does the job definitively so that his enemy can't be nursed back to health by a religious do-gooder. If someone wants to enter God's Abode, I'd argue the battlefield is the last place to virtue signal. It shows a distinct lack of concern for one's fellow brother in arms. It's actually incredibly short sighted selfish. I'm beginning to suspect these tales have been constructed by people who've never had a fight in their lives.

For one moment, imagine trying to emulate the aforementioned example during the siege of the Golden Temple in June 84. What would you imagine Sant Jarnail's Singh's reaction would be if a young Singh helps an Indian soldier back on to his feet after another Singh had done his best to finish the job during that hellish siege? If your reply is anything other than, "annoyed" then you've been seduced by the Hollywood-isation of reality. Imagine actually practising in REAL-LIFE what we're told is a virtue that must be adhered to if we're "true" Sikhs. Mind-boggling.

Dashmesh Pita ji said jujh ke lado , if someone happens to survive I doubt that they would be able to fight intact (lopped off arm/leg major wounds) and according to that if Akal Purakh has deemed that person life we can't kill that injured person so we can do minimum thing of water . Rest is up to Guru ji

Soldiers felled are  meant to either be dead or prisoners nothing more or less

4 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

The people getting roped into fighting wars will need PHDs in religious philosophy and an extra requirement of rubber brains to navigate the mental gymnastics apne churn out at times to justify certain concepts.

Just accept it's okay to want to see your enemy dead. I don't want to hug him or love him. I want his blood, not his friendship. The rest are superfluous concepts too complex for Punjabi minds that have never been adhered to in the cold harsh reality of war, and if true would get good men killed needlessly.

when you are on war footing you protect yourself and your own unless you're a total mental case , and a proper warrior is not driven by anger/wrath because it makes you careless and vulnerable to manipulation; that's why being nirbhau nirvair mentality releases you from that trap. You have a duty on the field and in daily life and the two need you to be unwavering in your aim ; I believe that the code of conduct that Dashmesh Pita ji gave us for the battlefield is the best ; do not attack the surrendered, the ones fleeing the field, the women/children/elderly i.e. be a honourable person. Meet the enemy and fight to the best of your ability , prisoners that are taken should be treated well .(was done in both world wars by apnay for POWs who have commented on the strange turbanned men who shared their rations and did not beat or torture them)

1 hour ago, MisterrSingh said:

What do you propose we view them as when they become the enemy again ONLY because they were nursed back to health by our side? If we keep healing them and they return to reduce our numbers thanks to our demented efforts to please God knows who, what then? It's cloud cuckoo-land. Who fights a war to WIN with such a horribly confused philosophy hanging over their heads?

 

Too late for this now. My cynical self suspects this to be revisionisim to save face or rectify centuries of damaging parchaar that has had the opposite affect of what was intended. NOT ONE giani or kathavachak has EVER contextualised Bhai Kanaiya's escapades on the battlefield by discussing his martial prowess. The sakhi has always been employed as a tool to illustrate compassion and fairness. If we suddenly start hearing about how Bhai Sahib cut off Mughal limbs and heads one moment, and then provided water to dying Mughals a few minutes later, we'll become an even bigger laughing stock than we already are.

plenty of brahmgiani gursikhs killed mughals and dusht on battlefields does this mean we Believe that they are not like Akal Purakh ? Sikhi's concept is that Akal is ALL things: so destroyer AND creator  where as Christian concept is God is all things good but all things Bad are of the Devil .... seems that this concept has been overlaid onto our ancestors histories to remove the 'complete/nondual' aspect  of sikhi i.e. distort what we are aiming for ..........

14 hours ago, Suchi said:

Documented History shows that there was no Caste in India until the Brits went around the country making sure everyone had a caste though many did not. I have shared this before.  So it has everything to do with them. It's yet another divide and rule tactic. The Indians had varna based on ones individual qualities that meant people could change their grouping. Further debate would probably require a separate thread. 

Please don't normalise crimes of murder, genocide suffered by millions otherwise you're closing the doors to debate.

As the subject matter affects Indians as a whole I doubt you can isolate it as just a problem within Sikhs. 

 

 

 

there has been vaaran /caste since early days of manusmitri and every Brahmin has used it to make themselves useful to invaders as they sold their skills as master manipulators of society else how could handfuls of people control multi millions ?They did it during the islamic invaders reign and then switched when the angrez/portuguese arrived . Guru Sahiban removed the leprosy of vaaran from our consciouness but with the interference of Angrez and their flying monkeys the brahmins they inserted dubious texts into our literature which allowed the poisonous mentality back

2 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

It just repeatedly keeps coming back to sociopathic norms from what I'm seeing?

I've been reading up about it and studying family members with it, and this self-delusional thing we are describing keeps coming up. 

When you look at the person doing the bragging, you can blatantly see them beaming - they are getting some serious energy from the nonsense they are doing?

I'm sure jews do it, but I don't agree with you - our lot are 'extra' with it. I think it might be related to that 'need to please' outsiders thing we talk about?? 

we don't live in a vacuum the amount of narcissism is on the increase in ALL societies around the world especially with the curse of social media allowing loudspeakering the same BS that in my childhood was restricted to immediate social contacts .

3 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

Until we go through all our extant puratan text's sakhis and understand which were actually contemporary/close contemporary to our Gurus physical time, we can't tell which sakhis are later incorporations, or ones given prominence during the dubious colonial period to make us docile.

anything that shows the love for khalsa and to serve poor as Guru ji showed is pretty much trustable but when it goes one to praise 'brahmin' singhs you know its BS because 'kul nash, varaan nash, dharam nash' doctrine of Amrit sanchar.

2 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

I knew one guy, whenever I spoke to his father, the old man would go into a depressing diatribe about how useless the son was blah blah blah. How he wasted his life on him.  He'd get really worked up about it and go on and on.....until it was uncomfortable and embarrassing. 

Then one day I saw him sitting around with his pals, his face was all lit up and beaming, and he was telling them how great the son was..........

Apnay are frequently full of shyte like that. It's VERY common, and I don't see it in many other communities to that extent. I wonder what the reasons for our lot doing this shyte is? 

don 't worry its all there just hidden from our view , jewish , italian, spanish and greek  families are the same they just keep it on the down low for outsiders ( my friends growing up used to share the nonsense with the family bragging and we all had a good laugh)

3 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

When the cornerstone of Sikh religious philosophy (that's been repeatedly expounded to the sangat for centuries) is of a beloved Sikh sevadar who provided succour to enemy combatants on the battlefield rendering the soldierly efforts of his fellow Sikhs to be next to useless, is held up as an aspirational mentality to be cherished and emulated, then what else should we expect?

but Guru ji said that they are our enemies whilst they attack and are hellbent on hurting us, they only become our brothers when they are rendered incapicitated , when we then help them but if they return to their previous actions then we are to return to previous footing. it was never meant to be a static switchover, as even the mughals who Bhai Ghaniya helped  some returned to enemy footing , he didn't allow them to kill him remember he was shastardhari too too much turning all our heroes into pacifistic babey . Have you not noticed the depictions show the musque but no gatra which is impossible of a gursikh at that time period.

4 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

I've been mixing with desis recently, anyone else notice the contrived, exaggerated laughing after making statements, and then looking around for people to join them. It's funny and weird. lol

fakeness is the name of the game these days , it was cringeworthy when the uncles and aunties used get together to throwdown their kids' achievements but now it is beyond stupid . The lies start flowing and then the upmanship annihilates any person's sense in a 20 mile radius.

I refuse to be drawn into this when relatives ask after the kids  because I used to hate what their BS made my mum feel inadequate though I was an A+ student.

13 hours ago, Sukhvirk1976 said:

you don't believe that? 

I do believe that , remember he also was part of the team who hand built Akal Takht too

4 hours ago, imhosingh said:

People need to chill. The weather has never been 'normal'.. the climate does 'change' and I agree that humans have very little impact on it. The biggest factor is the sun's own cycles which affect the global weather patterns. The whole carbon scare stuff is nonsense...what they don't tell you is that the world has seen 'green matter' increase (plants grow by converting co2 to oxygen ). A big difference is that folks live longer now...so notice the changes more over time, plus there are incentives now to make things into 'crisis' events 

obviously you haven't read about the level of geoengineering that these fools in government have been doing , plus burning hundreds of tonnes of fuel at high altitude will also reduce oxygen and imbalance gases too, creating acidic byproducts which will fall to earth for months destroing plantlife on land and seas

On 7/25/2021 at 7:54 AM, shastarSingh said:

It's written that Guru Nanak Dev ji gave complete knowledge of shastar vidya to baba buddha ji.

Guru ji also used to carry a barcha with him.

https://www.worldgurudwaras.com/gurudwaras/gurudwara-barchha-sahib-dhanpur-assam/

and of Course Baba Buddha ji trained Guru Har Gobind ji in shastra vidhiya

lovely weather today in London:

1 hour ago, dallysingh101 said:

It sounds like you need neem. I'm gonna look for it next time I'm in the Sri Lankan store. 

There's science behind it too. I think neem oil has antibacterial properties. So the trace amounts in the twigs are probably the active component?  

it is both antifungal and antibacterial in action  , latin name Azadirachta indica

8 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

I remember they used these twigs quite a lot in India. I don't know what they were though?

neem de daatan , twigs of neem tree. Some people use miswak which gives off a reddish juice but too risky to splash on clothes of a morning

12 hours ago, Premi5 said:

Ok, but how do you clean teeth on daily basis ?

Happier toothpaste as mentioned above

the head is always covered except when washing, drying or combing. Sikhs are encouraged to air dry hair this is referred to as 'hare karna' it is basically giving your follicles a breather . even so if you are doing simran during this free time in the morning you need to cover your head with the part of your dastar spread like a chunni.

3 hours ago, Kau89r8 said:

 

Manmeet was a child and that guy had a wife and child , then he divorces wife and starts after manmeet because she lived in the neighbourhood , but if she was so enamoured of him why did she keep attending gurdwara and school and performed and learnt kirtan  without so much of a single complaint . The truth is she was NOT in any relationship with ANYONE but folks . The massive A who tries to claim so much is a deluded perv ,whereas the girl was not aware of his existence even and had no qualms about letting the charges of kidnapping stay in action , She also had no problem accepting local counsel of bazurg gursikhs (delhi wale were not involved she was married by the time they arrived) after voluntarily staying and listening to paat and simran for a couple of hours . She said Satbachan to the advise  and had no objection to the guy who was suggested as he was known in sangat and had genuine feelings towards her .
You may remember she and he were holding hands when walking together and he seemed to be shielding her from all other people . I say good luck to her but. obviously the jihadis will try to take badla against her and his folks in the valley.
That is one major reason that beti of the granthi at Nankana Sahib ji didn't return home because they kept on at her in the women's shelter that if you return to your mum and Dad the sikhs will be attacked . In fact, that paedo's brother had already incited violence on sangat and the gurdwara by stone pelting . Then they forced her out of the shelter when she wouldn't go back to the pakis ; there is no honour in them Imran was a Chickensht because he didn't want to displease the Talibanis

1 hour ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Nice. I've been using coconut oil with a heavy dose of peppermint in it. I was wanting to try that salt and pepper thing from the other thread. Or maybe use a little baking soda, but the peppermint and oil alone seem to be working really well. Then I just swish with the oil and swallow it. Which I appreciate I can do without concern. 

 painfulI got some neem toothpicks dipped in oil that are nice to use too. 

That toothpaste you found sounds really good. 

salt on a wet toothbrush or finger was the goto in our house if we ran out of paste or forgot our brushes when travelling .

remember if you have tooth pain or mouth ulcer that kills  crush a long/clove on your bad tooth  and swish the juice around your mouth(ulcer)

1 hour ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Nice. I've been using coconut oil with a heavy dose of peppermint in it. I was wanting to try that salt and pepper thing from the other thread. Or maybe use a little baking soda, but the peppermint and oil alone seem to be working really well. Then I just swish with the oil and swallow it. Which I appreciate I can do without concern. 

I got some neem toothpicks dipped in oil that are nice to use too. 

That toothpaste you found sounds really good. 

oil pulling is okay but it coats the mouth too much  ... baking soda can be too harsh on enamel especially if you brush with a heavy hand  same with charcoal pastes , the link for the company selling Happier paste  is https://happierbeauty.com/
It is expensive but since it cuts down on buying two three different types of plastic tubed pastes  it works out great - a little goes a long way