jkvlondon

It would be true now if they tied a dastar, didn't bring an entourage ...even came in the early morning when Guru ji's parkash happens ...they would be totally at the back of the crowd. Obviously they picked the time when maximum hoo ha can be created . Sad state of affairs adulation of people who persuade our girls and boys to become patit...

Jsinghs, maybe you feel that we should engage in this activity hence why your so angry about my topic?

I think your post is irrelevant as you haven't even addressed anything in my post to back up your illogical statements.

So for any people who are struggling to understand basic logic and the main part of the initial post I have made.

Is that Circumcision was carried out to prevent people from engaging in self-gratification. That was the primary aim. It was also practiced well before Islam and Judaism came into existence.

Ie to stop people from doing this activity. And it has proven to work.

They did this by removing the most sensitive part of the organ, the foreskin. Due to it being the most sensitive nerve area. This was to make the experience less pleasurable and hence deter people from doing it. Scientific studies prove this over and over again like the daily mail article.

So what is the big deal about deterring people from engaging in a completely harmless activity??

Well I am not going to bother writing down all the benefits just watch the video of the person who explains them all.

I will repeat myself:

Ok their reasoning for genital mutilation whether male or female is PLAIN wrong...wrong as people can still indulge, wrong dharamically as how can you offer to God that which is his in the first place and wrong physically as it destroys the natural function of the body, phimosis in mild cases total dysfunction and loss of member in the extreme, some people argued it was for increased health less diseases but that has not been held out to be true in studies. (I retrained as a Homeopath after having my kids so know my Med sciences)

sunnat or bris it is wrong to lay success at it's door ...next you'll be saying hey guys why not us ?

where Our infinite strength lies is in Amritbani ...simple you want to show the world something join with bani, breathe it in,sing it out make your rom rom thrum with its power. Then tell me which way is better.

Veer ji I'm not squeamish but your conclusions are a bit off target, when you work towards a goal with determination and trust in Waheguru you'll beat the whole world hands down. These guys don't even have a clue about naam .

First you should maybe fully read what I have posted before making quick assumptions.

I am not quite sure I understand your question. Abstinence equals more power. If that power is in the wrong hands they will use it for wrong means. Im not saying this practice it will necessarily lead to a person being more lustful.

Jews also practice Circumcision and it is one of the reason they have been so successful.

I am not making a random thread on some thought i just came u with. I am a Psychology Graduate and done much research on these matters. Hence I know how our behavior is effected by our hormones. As Ive naturally read alot about how the Mind works and functions through the neurotransmitters in the brain. It is second nature to me and other Professional psychologist who know about this. I am not expecting you to understand what I have written as it takes years of studying the brain to fully get what I am saying. Your just going to have to trust what I am saying.

Ok their reasoning for genital mutilation whether male or female is PLAIN wrong...wrong as people can still indulge, wrong dharamically as how can you offer to God that which is his in the first place and wrong physically as it destroys the natural function of the body, phimosis in mild cases total dysfunction and loss of member in the extreme, some people argued it was for increased health less diseases but that has not been held out to be true in studies. (I retrained as a Homeopath after having my kids so know my Med sciences)

sunnat or bris it is wrong to lay success at it's door ...next you'll be saying hey guys why not us ?

where Our infinite strength lies is in Amritbani ...simple you want to show the world something join with bani, breathe it in,sing it out make your rom rom thrum with its power. Then tell me which way is better.

I know this thread is might be offensive. And I apologies for causing offence. But I would rather people know the truth about these matters and are made aware about them.

Veer ji I'm not squeamish but your conclusions are a bit off target, when you work towards a goal with determination and trust in Waheguru you'll beat the whole world hands down. These guys don't even have a clue about naam .

Veer Ji ,

by your reasoning SIkhs who abstain more than most would be raving Kaamis...please stop wasting people's lives with this pointless thread , do the decent thing and go talk to someone about SIkhi instead if you wanna help save our girls .

ikhongar we are all one.

From what I know Kaur in Sanskrit/Tamil means first inline (eldest) son or daughter to receive royalty for the throne

and Singh means all the remaining children of the royal king or queen. If someone can confirm this that would be great.

Kaur is derived Kanwar -Crown Prince (next in line for throne) thus you can have a SIngh who is a Kaur too .

Do you recall how many times you have told this story here.

Forget it and move on and stop holding grudges.

Everyone is not the same.

One fact ALONE will unite us the day we remember whose children we truly are , our older brothers and sisters tried to remind us in the eighties but we didn't wake up to reality, when will we ?? when our land is turned to a second chernobyl through radiation pollution and our fields a desert through the 'green revolution' the only green was the dollars going into centre's pockets? They are NEVER going to be our well-wishers as we hold a mirror up to their lack of morals, justice, dharm and sach... the people who are downtrodden will be the ones who remember us and bless us. We are the future of this world and we need to stop being timid and looking to others for permission to exist. MY GURU NEVER MAKES MISTAKES >>>>>WE ARE NOT MISTAKES >>>>WE ARE THE KHALSA

What is the authenticity of the sakhis told abt our gurus?whenever i read one,my mind keeps on wondering is it true?due to this i unable to keep myself motivated and reading dese does help me.

Panja sahib exists , so does the Gurdwara Nanak Llama in Leh, the Locals call Guru Nanak LLama as is told in Sakhis the Dhoban which the witch threw at Guru Teg bahadur ji I have ssen and touched myself in Assam and I had a leaf from the Pipal tree Given to me by Granthi ji which she rode to awe people now rest and grows in Gurudwara at Dhubri Sahib, These sakhian seem fantastic but the evidence is there ... like Chola Sahib of Guru Hargobind ji from Bandi Chorr diwas.

Read the Sakhian , know them to be true , keep the faith

Kiddo, only 3 Rajput clans gave there daughters to Mughals. There are 36 clans in Rajputana in total so that means the majority of Rajputs continues to rebel and fight against the Muslims.

Your sarcastic response shows that you know who the true Singh's are.

It wasn't sarcastic just stating what history shows ... since you seem so insecure that you come here unbidden to stir up nonsense I wouldn't be so full of myself. I heard Rajputs were honourable where is the honour in calling people names ?

Sat-Sri-Akal,

Hello There,

I am new to the SikhSangat.com and created my account so i can talk about Less Beard/Beard not growing properly. I am 28 years old and as per my age i should have complete beard on my face but unfortunately the scenario is completely different .. I have very low growth beard and not sure what are the factors behind it..I research always from Google/Internet and whatever the solution i found i tried it but to be honest didn't work at all or may be it requires more time...I went to doctor as well but his advice was totally stupid as he suggested me to shave off the beard and then rub the OIL (AS SUGGESTED BY HIM) Don't remember the name of it but his advice was against my religion as well as my own thinking so I simply disregard that idea. then someone told me that it may be due to genetics factor but in our whole family and even if i talk about my grandparents or from my mother side as well no one has less growth at all..MY Brother,dad, grandfather also my cousins all have full growth of beard and even if i talk about my Mother side my mom Father and her brother has full growth...Only Me who has the less growth of beard/body hair..Whatever my near-ones suggested I followed but can't see good results...Any suggestion if you have always welcome as I am single now and my parents are looking for girl and to be honest i don't to be rejected by a girl because of my beard look ugly because of less growth...Please help and I am sure you guys not let me down...

Waheguru ji ka Khalsa Waheguru ji ki Fateh

Veer ji,

please don't stress sometimes our bodies take time in these matters , thankfully you are not like a nana ji from my Nanake he NEVER got mucha or dhardi whole life despite having kesh on head . Probably your beard will change as you progress through life, don't stress what will be , will be . Just do your Bania , Ardas and keep your rehit .

I watched this today , and I thought the guys was right and given his efforts to study our Maa Boli (going to Patiala University from Canada to study our bholi) we should give this message some thought and comeup with ways we can revive our literary culture in Punjabi

Do I really need to watch a video when my Guru ji has told me many ways every day it is a transitory dream never to be trusted as real ?

main thread running through these stories the girls know zip about sikhi but the 'phrase' sikhi accepts all other faiths . maybe the fault lies with us for not providing true context to that statement and giving sure ty and certainty in Sikhi from day one to these girls, the other point is they are targeted by Muslim men despite those men knowing there was no future in it e.g. the suicide case or with intention of cheating on her or manipulating her into criminal acts then leaving her 'holding the bag'.

our girls ae being made gullible by BS bollywood propaganda they keep pairing up sikh girls with other faiths or am I the only one to notice this in posters?' and lack of comeback/understanding makes them vulnerable to fall for spiel of muslims/hindus/christians. As Gurbani points out women are necessary for mankinds future...and that means us too.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2535341/Police-officer-stole-thousands-accident-victims-details-computer-sold-lover-wife-1-million-conspiracy.html

At the end of the day all these women who betray the Khalsa will all end up paying a heavy price.

I think we should be glad when we here these stories as we have been alerted to this person and her actions and can now weed out these people so that the don't poison the rest of the crop with their disgusting and disgraceful behavior.

She has already , her husband has gone behind back with the muslimah no loyalty plus implicated her in his dealings so will end up in jail

Dont Concern yourself with these sheep. These people change their religion like a mobile phone. Always changing for the ones that gives them the latest deal or offer. A Sikh one day and muslim the next. a few months down she will be a christian. who knows.

These shameless Sheep deserve everything bad that comes to them!! I say jail paramjeet for life just for being a dirty sl@g

veer why do you insist on taking her paap onto your head by calling her names ? observe? yes learn? yes prevent? yes...curse out? no Do nindiya? no stay with gurmatta

It is only worth that if they pay ... sadly this is the price on any minorities life not just ours ...

To be clear, I gave the 'Hackney' and Stoke Newington examples simply because it is a an example of Jews defending their own area. Those areas don't apply to we Sikhs though, just because the one sole Sikh (jkvlondon) once lived there. It is not, never has been, and never will be, our manor. When I suggest we Sikhs organise our own equivelent of the Jewish 'Shomrin' I'm basically talking about areas like Southall, Hounslow, Birmingham, Wolverhampton etc.

From the direction this thread has gone in so far, I gather most if not all of you are still in the dark about the Shomrim. Basically, they wear an official uniform and are provided resources, guidance and help by the Metropolitan Police and the local London Borough Council's. The local Police Chiefs, Councils (including council social services) and the local Courts have an agreement that they will not interfere in the workings of the Shomrim. Basically, that means the Police will even turn a blind eye to crimes if the Shomrim say they will / are dealing with it as an internal Jewish matter. They have no powers of arrest but, they have similar powers as to PCSO's and, as long as the suspect does not insist the Police get involved (which is extremely unlikely) they are judge, jury and executioner.

So, going back to my first message: In our traditional Sikh neighbouirhoods our Sikh bajurgs are attacked and robbed and our Sikh girls are openly targetted by predators right in front of our eyes. So where is our 'Shomrim' ?

OK you are going on about the Shomrim ...they only care about their own not the whole neighbourhood and besides their patrols are racist in the extreme I used to volunteer in SToke Newington at a Low cost Homeopathic Children's clinic and they would be quite rude to me on the street, obviously wearing a dastar equals being a muslim ...orthodox Jews are not particularly a community I would look to as an example, but if you want to start a 'guardian angel' style patrol then I'm sure you would have to train up your volunteers in hand to hand combat/disarming techniques for those areas where you are proposing, the pimps and dealers aren't going without putting up a fight.Maybe shaming their prostituion clients would be a way to go, it has been used in USA with success by law enforcement sending tickets home after plates capture ...

The drug situation is definitely harder to combat as they are usually very aggressive and have contingencies if a person is taken off the streets , I would agree that this is a job that needs to be run by the police but supported by the community as a whole. Main thing is it would have to be run outside the whole Gurudwara committee thing as it cannot be subject to the political whims of a few individuals.

Is it right or wrong to wear a kulgi in the presence of the king of kings SGGS ji ?

If wrong then why do the Gurdwara / Ganthi allow it ?

Traditionally all such decorations on dastar are removed before matha tekna and seating for Anand Karaj, it is manmat anyway to wear it in the first place ...

I thought Americans were ignorant but Aussies showing they are just as ignorant. Sikhs in Australia should be vigilant.

the common factor both Anglo Saxon heritage ... they are not the most aware people full stop ...it is the celtic races who tend to try to interact with other races on their terms

Bhein ji don't get your hopes up, this won't happen in England Gurdwaras.

First Committee's don't care & secondly Sikh vote bank politics, Gora's aren't stupid :-)

Frankly how many of the locals have Langar on daily basis ?

Mostly Fauji's & overseas students are regulars.

They have good meal & sometimes delicacy's courtesy of Sangat.

Honestly they deserve it as they do Hathi Seva in Gurdwara.

If it get passed in Europe it will be implemented here too, just like the restrictions on herbal medicines and other recent changes . It is not a question of committees caring it will be rule of law otherwise they will shut down langar kitchens. Since when has the European countries cared for Sikh sentiments ? We would be wise to assume it is a question of when not if and plan langar overhaul in line with anti allergen policy, maybe assign a specific Langar Safety sewak in each gurdwara .

The point was not me desiring something , but my observation that the original meaning of langar has been forgotten , a means to quell hunger so the mann is shant to absorb bani and it has become a competitive arena for people , trying to outdo each other on the delicacies they can bring in to give out . Do Guru's sewa to the best of your ability but remember you have to keep nimrata.

that last throwaway statement was kind of rude and just showed your low opinion of others

Well Why did you move out of Hackney then lol? Are you not being hypocritical?

Anyway I completely agree that Sikhs should not just move at the drop of a hat when there is crime in their areas. But why make it harder for yourself and try and be some kind of hero if you have the means to leave. Its not about running away. Its about keep your family safe from crime ect..

When I married, my Husband lived South of the water, in 'beautiful' New Cross Gate we uased to go into Lewisham to shop (prime gang area) then moved around the corner to Brockley ...the place was more worrying than where I came from,the first day we moved into our rental home i got told that I would be burnt out of my home (at the time I was expecting my first) we stayed until little one was about four months and moved back to hackney/Bethnal green border to make our days shorter (two and half hour commute each way from Brockley).We moved to Newbury Park because our landlord wanted to sell his property and we ran out of space (one to three babies). All in all I have seen a lot of neighbourhoods including Plumstead where Mum and Dad had their first shop , blackheath , Woolwich (cousins ) I think you can make a go whereever you land up, as long as you stay strong mentally.

First of all we dont consider rajiv-longiwal act as our demand. This act was made by stabbing knife million times on our panth - a traitor and betrayal act by longowal - who in fact the actual murderer of sant bhinderanwale.

Chandigarh was always part of punjab and so was himachal and haryana. Getting chandigarh back is not our demand but our right.

Anandpur sahib resolution is our stand not government created rajiv-longiwal act.

True Veer ji,

but people are so confused these days they may say why not accept this we are getting Chandhigarh backbut this is gov't sleight of hand to steal more territory of Punjab and shrinking it again we stand at a sixth of our original size ...how much more would you sacrifice for a ruined city (by all accounts investment in Chandigarh has not been kept up)?

I'm referring to the evangelicals on that website, not you.

point i'm making is if they can't prove you don't believe in Akal Purakh or that you are not strong in your understanding of your own faith they have NOTHING to say further.If They want to come from a position of superiority that is the comeback or if new stealth techniques are used that can be countered too by being aware of what Sikhi truly is, using bibek buddhi and not falling for sweet talk.

remember these are the same scum that turned up in jammu and Kashmir and refused to help unless the people converted ... no compassion they even fail on their faith's terms