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Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!! Below was the Hukamnama from Siri Darbaar sahib on the day that Bhai sahib Rama ji, Jathedar of Akhand Kirtani Jatha UK left for heavenly abode. sorat(h) mehalaa 5 || Sorat'h, Fifth Mehl: hiradhai naam vasaaeihu || Enshrine the Naam, the Name of the Lord, within your heart; ghar bait(h)ae guroo dhhiaaeihu || sitting within your own home, meditate on the Guru. gur poorai sach kehiaa || The Perfect Guru has spoken the Truth; so sukh saachaa lehiaa ||1|| the True Peace is obtained only from the Lord. ||1|| apunaa hoeiou gur miharavaanaa || My Guru has become merciful. anadh sookh kaliaan ma(n)gal sio ghar aaeae kar eisanaanaa || rehaao || In bliss, peace, pleasure and joy, I have returned to my own home, after my purifying bath. ||Pause|| saachee gur vaddiaaee || True is the glorious greatness of the Guru; thaa kee keemath kehan n jaaee || His worth cannot be described. sir saahaa paathisaahaa || He is the Supreme Overlord of kings. gur bhaettath man oumaahaa ||2|| Meeting with the Guru, the mind is enraptured. ||2|| sagal paraashhath laathhae || All sins are washed away, mil saadhhasa(n)gath kai saathhae || meeting with the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy. gun nidhhaan har n aamaa || The Lord's Name is the treasure of excellence; jap pooran hoeae kaamaa ||3|| chanting it, one's affairs are perfectly resolved. ||3|| gur keeno mukath dhuaaraa || The Guru has opened the door of liberation, sabh srisatt karai jaikaaraa || and the entire world applauds Him with cheers of victory. naanak prabh maerai saathhae || O Nanak, God is always with me; janam maran bhai laathhae ||4||2||52|| my fears of birth and death are gone. ||4||2||52|| Pyare sadh sangat jio, I think Guru ji has said all that needs to be said. Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

posted on 9 th august 2002 Last message on Bhai sahib ji Waheguru ji kekhalsa, waheguru ji ke fateh Pyare jio, todays message is the last on Bhai sahib Rama Singh ji. Tomorrow is his funeral. It is very easy to say not to have attachment (Moh) with anyone, but not so easily done. However it is important to remember that tommorrow, all that we will see is Bhai Sahib jis body. This is just the vessel in which Bhai sahib was. It is not him. The soul was free along time ago long before even when he left this earth. The vessel will just be dust, and we should not attach ourselves to the vessel. If we want to remember Bhai Sahib then we should remember his words, his kindness, his smile, and the sparkle in his eyes everytime he looked at us. This was Bhai Sahib, his soul, which is free. For a while now, Bhai sahib had left, even while alive. He did not live at the house, or live amongst us, he just visited to give his darshan, fulfill his worldly tasks, and finish the seva and tests that Guru maharaj had given him. I have seen in my short time in sikhi, many Gursikhs, that live in their own worlds. They remain quite and secluded, involving in the worldly game, and doing the seva that they can, but experiencing their own unique Rass from the real world that revealed itself to them. For they are the ones who realises what Kalyug actually is, as everytime they return to this world, its workings, it is kalyug. Hence these Gursikhs, plead that they always remember Waheguru in their hearts, for a even a second in kalyug is too much, as guru sahib himself states in bani, that even a second without your presence is too much for me to bear. We should all be happy for Bhai sahib for he has gone to the place that he deserved, something far better than anything on this earth. And wish that we ourselves can just become half the Gursikh he was, then that would be an achievement. I am not sure if anything that I have written has been helpful, but I thougth I would do my best for someone, who was one of the best living examples of sikhi that I have ever seen. waheguru ji ke khalsa,waheguru ji ke fateh

posted on the 8th August 2002 Shabad on Bhai sahibs personality. Waheguru ji kekhalsa, waheguru ji ke fateh Pyare jio, continuing on this week long celebration of Bhai sahib jis life on akj egroup. I thought this one I would send to all egroups, as I think everyone will relate to this. Rather than writing stories, today I thought we would share a shabad of Sahib Siri Guru Tegh Bahadhur, which discusses the Sadhu, a Gurmukh. I have below include much discussion on this shabad. Compiling what many poeple have written, the whole shabad reminded me of bhai sahib ji. I did want to go into Mooh ( attachment ) of bhai sahib. Praise should only be of Guru and Waheguru, hence I thought this shabad is more appropriate. It is a long e-mail, but like I said, I thought it most appropriate. Bani Of Sahib Siri Guru Tegh Bahadhur ji. Sadho man ka man tyago O seekers of truth, cost down your vanity, Lust, wrath and wicked companions; Flee, flee them day and night. Refrain. That man has understood the essence of existence, Who in happiness and suffering, Remains poised with equanimity; Who in glory and shame, Feels just the same, Who is detached from joy, As well from sorrow and pain; Who cares not for praise; Not even for blame. But seeks the state of Nirvana. Says Nanak, it is an arduous game, Which few Divine sages comprehend. Translated by Bhai Tarlochan Singh ji Delhi It was once said, “ They, whose minds are not disturbed, when the sources of the disturbance of present, are truly brave.” For all seekers of Truth, tw o fundamental things are necessary. They must completely discard lust, wrath, and the company of wicked men. They must renounce those passions, which blind, man's vision of truth, and blunt his feelings for doing good in this world. They must strive to attain the highest state of an enlightened man, the Gurmukh: the saint-soldier- whose face is always turned towards Divine light. Sahib Siri Guru Arjan Dev ji calls the person a Brahm-gyani, a mystic philosopher, to whom God has revealed Himself. He proclaims by his character and achievements the man can rise above the limitations which nature puts on him. He is sovereign of the soul. Strong and self-poised in self-control. He takes pain and pleasure, heat and cold, glory and injury alike. With his mind free from all dark forces, he senses sublimated, he lives in the joy of inner illumination and knowledge of truth. Tranquil in spirit, free from all fear, the gravest grief does not disturb his inner peace. He is stainless, serene, well balanced, un-perplexed, with his mind ever fixed on the love of God. The Chinese philosopher, Confucius, amazing describes, the Gurmukh as a superior man, and contrasts him with the inferior man, what we refer to in Gurbani as a Manmukh. “ The superior man understands what is right; the inferior man understands what will sell. The superior man loves his soul; the inferior man loves his property. The superior man is liberal towards other's opinions, but does not completely agree with them; the inferior man complete agrees with other's opinions, but is not liberal towards them. The superior man blames himself; the inferior man blames others. The superior man his broad-minded towards all and not partisan; the inferior man is partisan and not broad-minded towards all. The superior men is always candid and at ease; the inferior man is always worried about something. The superior man develops upwords; the inferior man develops downwards. The superior man is dignified but not proud; the inferio r man is proud but not dignified.” Sahib Siri Guru Tegh Bahadhur ji calls such a man a Gurmukh, one whose face, mentality and spirituality, is always turned towards Divine Light of God. Such a man is known by his character and the main motivation of his life is that he aspires after the supreme mystic state of Nirvana (khojai pad Nirbana) or Sehaj. It is the wisdom of this aspiration and the Enlightenment, progressively achieved, which complete changes the character of such seekers of Truth. It is the arduous journey on the path of Nirvana, which Sahib Siri Guru Nanak Dev Ji states, it's sharper than a double-edged sword and narrower than a hairs breadth, which gives the seeker of Truth joy, serenity, and the consciousness of inward strength and ultimately liberation. Nirvana in Sikhi, is inner grasp of immortality, and a personal communion with Truth and Beauty. Nirvana,or Sahej is a state at inner illumination to attained here while alive, not any paradise or heaven after death. It is within the reach of every human being in every race, nationality, and colour. It is only through this path does man progressively comprehend the eternity of Truth, in the sentiency of complex and changing earthly life. In this state of Sehaj, God reveals His Power, His Grace and Wisdom to man. Sehaj is a gift of God to men with pure hearts, noble intentions and rare insight. Through illumination and actions it inspires, God asserts the ultimate victory of the Truth over falsehood, freedom over despotism, and fearlessness over terror and tyranny. This is “Waheguru ji ke khalsa, waheguru ji ke fateh”. Such a Khalsa, is recognised in society by his compassion, goodness, virtues and in history by his service of humanity. Such a man is distinguished by his Unique character. He seeks neither applause nor gratitude. He passes through the turmoil of the world, undisturbed by the destructive egoism of men of position and power, continues to serve humanity. The problems of life neither depress or ange r him. He breaks through egotism and fully trusts in God. So serene is his nature that he never takes offence. He forgets every illness and injury, and never complains of wrongs done to him. The seeker of Sahej, the Gurmukh, mystic philospher, saint soldier, he steadfast in his inner composure, and his disinterested mind sinks into the serenity are illumined consciousness. He gladly accepts whatever happens as the tragic and comic acts of a purposeful human drama. Such Gurmukhs, up are the path-makers who blazed a trail that other men follow. They see the Light shining on mountain heights in the early morning (Amritvela), while their fellows sleep in the valleys below. Such a person was Bhai sahib Rama Singh, aptly described by Sahib Siri Tegh Bahadhur Ji. Just a simple Gurmukh, and it is in simplicity, that everything exists in. Waheguru ji kekhalsa, waheguru ji ke fateh

Posted on the 7th August 2002 Bhai Sahib Rama Singh ji and sahej Waheguru ji ke khalsa,waheguru ji ke fateh Pyare jio, continuing in this process of celebrating Bhai sahib Ji`s Jeevan. I remember a while ago, we met at a rainsbhai keertan in Hitchin. I was sitting in the langar hall with my 18 months old little nephew, who was quite restless. Bhai sahib came up and hugged us. He always loved little children, and always gave them good "Assissan". We sat there having langar, talking about parchaar in the North of England. He was really happy so many more youth were realising the value of gurbani in the North. I said to him, they are progressing towards sikhi, but still do not have Panthic Spirit, which would make them more dedicated sevadaars for the Panth. He said to me, panthic spirit only comes when a person has Panthic dard. Maharaj would bless them. In that week, there had been a petty argument happening in the punjabi national papers, between two individuals over dasam granth. In all the silliness, one had gone on a complete tangent and written about Bhai sahib, saying he was a "Low caste indian government agent." Many people had been incensed by this including me. Bhai Sahib was a Khalsa, and one of the most Panthic people that I had met. He had left everything for sikhi, and dedicated himself for the Panth. In the eight years since I kept my kesh, I have heard many poeple talk of panth, and only a handful actually do something for the Panth. Bhai Sahib did something. I said to Bhai sahib, I think a response should be written by the youth. He put his hand on my shoulder and said,"leave it, it is irrelevant. Do you let anyo ne distract you from the seva for the Panth". He said, "At the times of Guru Nanak, so many people put Guru ji down, swore at him, and were jealous of him. But it is Guru Nanak who is remembered everywhere today. All them gallan are forgotten. " Bhai sahib was right, sometimes we are so easily distracted from our seva. People are always going to say things. But they are irrelevant. Seva is a blessing, and one should focus on that. I remember sitting their thinking, how some poeple must have such "mare karam", that they could of had darshan of Sahib Siri Guru Nanak dev ji, they lived when he walked with his darshan on this earth. Yet they slandered him, and were jealous of him. In the same way, whoever wrote that, probably never met bhai sahib, but chose to slander him. We should not be incensed, but realise our mare karam and flaws and do saanjh, and appreciate what is around us, and hopefully we also will never do the same. Bhai sahib was above praise and slander, both were irrelvant to him. He had attained Sehaj, which is one the most difficult stages to attain. Can anyone ever remember Bhai sahib raising his voice, or doing anything negative. He always had a smile, filled with contentment. It is his pyar, grace, affection, humility, virtues which are ever-present on the stage on Sehaj. He loved everyone, and did no difference with anyone. Such is the value of a Jeevan, and these were the virtues of Sahib Siri Guru Nanak Dev ji, and Bhai sahib was his sewak. Waheguru ji kekhalsa, waheguru ji ke fateh

posted on 5th August 2002 Bhai sahib ji and Kamai Waheguru ji ke khalsa, waheguru ji ke fateh Pyare jio, sometimes Bhai sahib would speak to us youth about how we should do more kamai. He would say that kamai is very underestimated, and not everyone realises how important it is. Once he said to me, that youth think that by doing the occasional amritvela, or rainsbhai, that they are of good jeevans. But he said, it is much more than that. He said after a little kamai, they wonder why nothing happens to them, why they have not reached sackhand. It takes great Udham to achieve Gurmat. He said, just to get Naam flowing inside you, you need to have a strong amritvela routine for a least a month, but people do it for a few days, and expect miracles. He would say much Udham is required by the youth in abyass. He also emphasised the need for doing your abyass on a gupt level. When I was living in the South, there was a regular rountine of the monthly jatha rainsbhai, and then the monthly local kids rainsbhai. On the other weekends, Bhai sahib and about 4-5 youth would get together at a house in Southall for abyass. upstairs in the house, there was a small room, with Parkash of Guru maharaj. About 5-6 of these Gursikhs naujawan, who I will not name, and bhai sahib would start simran at 9-10pm, and continue till 3am, and then do nitnem. Afterwards they would go to simran at Singh sabha. These programmes were in them days regular, and I was sometimes invited to these programmes. i used to feel very priveleged to be in the company of these Gursikhs. These programmes were excellent. Once I mentioned to the youth, that these programmes were happening , and the more people who come the better. But most were put off by the length of the programmes. After this, Bhai Sahib said to me, that abyass which is done should remain gupt. Gupt abyass has much "phaal." He said it is gupt abyass that is going to build your jeevan. He also greatly emphasised the value of "jorian de seva". He would have a handkerchief in his pocket, and would carefully clean the shoes, and then wipe the handkercheif on his forehead. He would tell us to always do simran, when doing this sewa, otherwise it will give you ego, that you are doing joorian de seva. Bhai sahib said to me once, whenever you do any seva, whether talking, keertan, or anything, always do joorian de seva first. then when you walk into the darbaar in front of maharaj, you mind will be on the floor, in his charan, no ego will enter. Then you will see how Maharaj blesses the seva. To really understand Bhai sahib, you need someone who has also done kamai. i am not that person, only a person who understands naam, can discuss its virtues. I am just sharing somethings Bhai sahib said to me. Hopefully those who understand naam, will find something in this. Waheguru ji kekhalsa, waheguru ji ke fateh

posted on 2nd August 2002 my first experience of bhai sahib, the Gursikh. Waheguru ji kekhalsa, waheguru ji ke fateh Payre jio, I remember many years ago, at a Khalsa camp in Bangor, wales. This was my first time that I had really met bhai sahib ji.I had just kept my kesh, and had a litttle dastaar on. In the morning, the asa-di-// keertan was excellent. I remember thinking how i wish i could do keertan. I felt so unlucky at all my life being a mona, and never learning these things. As i was walking back to my room, in front of me on a grassy area, I saw bhai sahib with a waaja, with a young lad playing tabla. i knew bhai sahib was special, but never had the courage to go up to him and say anything. anyway, he called me over, to my surprise. I went over, and he told me to sit next to him, saying that he was going to teach me a shabad. He began teaching me a very simple shabad, but even this I could not pick up. Once he had taught me the shabad, he said start doing keertan. I was now feeling very uncomfortable, but he said do not worry, just close your eyes, and sing the shabad. it was first time touching the waaja, so i was very nervous. But bhai sahib starting singing with me, we closed our eyes and started singing. My vioce was shaking, showing my nerviousness. Bhai sahib came closer, and put his hand on my back. This felt so reassuring, and eyes closed, we were doing keertan. For the first time, I felt so relaxed, and a cold breeze enters the mind. After a while, when the shabad was finished, bhai sahib lifted his hand from my back, i opened my eyes. To my surprise, there was now about twenty-plus people sitting in front o f us listening to the keertan. It suddenly dawned on me what I was doing. Feeling really embarrassed, me a nobody doing keertan, infront of these poeple. I quickly passed the waaja on to someone who I knew did keertan. bhai sahib just smiled at me, then carried on singing with the keertan. that was the first time I witnessed what Bhai sahib was. It was like he knew what I was yearning for, and just gave it to me. Always the friendly smile. No commotion, just simplicity. So many things happened at that khalsa camp with Bhai sahib, it was my first introduction to the world of these Gursikhs. Bhai sahib ji is azaad, but his worldly funeral is on Saturday week. I will attempt to relate one story everyday, and hope many others will do the same. maybe through these stories, it may inspire another to immerse themselves in Joorian de seva and bhagti, creating a new generation of Bhai sahib`s. You never know who guru maharaj will place his Grace on. Waheguru ji kekhalsa, waheguruji ke fateh

posted on 1st August 2002 Waheguru ji ke khalsa, waheguru ji ke fateh Pyare Sadh Sangat Jio, it is with great regret and sadness, that I have to inform the sangat, that Bhai Sahib Bhai Rama Singh ji from Southall left for Guru Maharajs abode this morning at about 1am, Amritvela. Bhai sahib ji was known worldwide, and the calibre of his jeevan was of the highest standard. There are so many inspirational stories that I can tell of my personal experiences with Bhai sahib, that I would not know where to start. I `m sure every youth, and every person in UK who spent even a little time with Bhai sahib can say the same. He was a true beacon of Sikhi, and a genuine and sincere example message of our Sahib Siri Guru Nanak Dev ji. Sahib Siri Guru Tegh Bahadhur states, "Know such a man, say Nanak, To be a living image of God, Who remains undisturbed in sorrow and happiness, And is free from attachment, pride and avarice. Bhai Sahib was free from all of this, and he was to so many of us a living image of God, in the form the True Khalsa. Immersed in Naam, always serene, full of love and affection. Most people think of bhai sahib ji to be quiet, but as i got to know Bhai sahib better, I realised how much Panthic vigour he had inside of him. Dedicated to the seva blessed to him, he had also been gifted with sewa in the Panj Pyare for decades. He was not only a father-figure, and your dearest companion. His advice and pyar would sink deep into your heart, such was the amazing personality that Guru Maharaj gave Bhai sahib. Bhai Sahib jis book was called "Roop Gobind ka, Raj Khalsa ka, Shika Sona ka". For those of us, who were given the most immense blessings by Guru Maharaj, by allowings to spend time with such an immaculate soul. For us, it is the memories of Bhai sahib, his actions, his words, his advice, is like gold, and will always be tresured as such. Bhai sahib funeral arrangements are currently being finalised. Exact details will be released once these are finalised. Waheguru ji kekhalsa,waheguru ji ke fateh

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!! These are a selection of Posts which were sent to egroups during the period of Bhai sahib leaving this earth till his funeral. They were requested by the sangat. Please take time to read. To find out more about bhai sahib, I recommend his autobiography, which is available from AKJ Uk. Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!! Pyare jio, there are quite a few posts, so I have put them all on a separate thread called - Posts on Bhai Rama singh Ji. Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!! Pyare jio, dass wrote the above mail. It was part of a series of mails which i wrote. I wrote a mail about bhai sahib, one everyday between the day of his leaving this year, to the day of his worldly funeral. If the sangat so wishes, I can put on al the mails of the other days. It is seem the sangat is benefitting from knowing more about bhai sahib jee. let me know if you want me to put the other stories and mails on. Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!! Pyare jio, it is an excellent thread. I remember when they first put it on. It inspired me to put my story on there aswell. Reading through, its so amazing how Guru Ji touches so many different people in so many different ways. Anyway, just another 2 thoughts. Every human being is born from inside the womb of the their mother. But a gurmukh is born only in the sadh sangat. Everything on this earth does simran, and naam da abyass. the wind, the trees, the leaves, everything, including the Gurmukhs. The only thing on this earth that does not do abyass is the mind of the manmukh. Thinking about this honestly, to between us and Guru ji, are we truely a Gurmukh or a Manmukh? Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!! Pyare jio, The versions I have do not have it written in them. But it is not a big issue, everyone clearly has there position here. Baba Jarnail Singh is a great Gursikh, and I do want my question twisted upon him or any other great Gursikh. But if the Taksal acknowledges the importance of dastaar, and a keski under the dastaar, then why are so many people been given amrit without dastaars? Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!! Pyare jio, I have written a mail before which covered this whole punj pyares, and bibi debate. I think it was quite concise and finished the debate. As far as how someone is chosen. This is very specific and unfortunately rarely practised. In fact, I myself, have only seen AKJ do this, this does mean to others do not, but just showing how rare it is. Most of the time, they just pick anyone. In Gurdwaras, a few times, I have been approached, and been told to Perehdaar de seva, because apparently I have the right build. And pardaans and commitee members become the Panj because they think themselves superior anyway. I have always refused, as I think it makes a mockery of the whole thing. This is how it should be done: It is called Soodh Sudahi. When a amrit sanchaar is due, an annoucement is made in the sangat, completely open to everyone. The sangat then nominates Gursikhs that are considered worthy of seva according to their jeevan, abyass, seva, etc. A list is made of these nominations. There names are readout and they are called on the day. The seva can only done by Gursikhs who`s record is exemplary, and have never done wrong. If anyone outside can point a finger at any of them, then they are not worthy of seva. So when names are read out, if anyone in the sangat has any objections, the can inform the sevadaars. The candidates are called in the room on the day. Usually at 12 o`clock Amrit vela, but time is not fixed and will vary depending on smagam. They are sit in the room, with Sahib Siri Guru Granth sahib Parkash. There can be any number from 8-40, depending on numbe r of nominations. Their age, background, gender, etc, are all irrelevant. The only relevant thing is their jeevan. The sangat then spends a few hours doing naam abyass together. After doing Amrit vela, they do nitnem together. Then one Gursikh is choosen to do Chaur sahib de seva, and conduct events. This Gursikh is mutually choosen from the sangat. He informs everyone, that everything that is said in that room is forever to stay in there, and gupt. One by one each Gursikh is peshed in front of Maharaj, and fully questioned on their jeevan. Usually questions are asked by the Gursikh on the tabia, but anyone in sangat is also free to ask anything. The Gursikh being peshed has to answer fully and honestly. They are questioned on their jeevan, amrit vela, amount of bani they read, any kurehits or weaknesses. If any has ever done a kurehit, they cannot do seva, and are not not nominated. Questions may also include daswand, seva, family life, and anything else the sangat deems necassary. After each person is peshed, then the Gursikh on the tabia, has their turn, and is peshed, and another gursikh takes his place on the tabia. Once everyone is peshed, the whole sangat comes to a mutual decision. Everyones jeevan is clearly in front of them, strengths and weaknesses. After mutual discussion, the sangat chooses the five with the highest jeevans for seva in the Punj Pyares. ideally they should all be Puran Gursikhs. Next highest jeevan is selected to Chaur sahib, and seva of Guru Maharaj. The next person is selected for Peredhar de seva, at the door. The next highest is selected to make the degh. Further Gursikhs are selected for assisting the new ablakhees to get prepared, and to do abyass with them after they have recieved naam. The rest are told to never mention anything in that room, outside of it, and they return to the sangat. They all do do ardas, then the Amrit Sanchaar begins. What happens in the Amrit sanchaar is gupt. Those doing seva in the Panj, are onl y the Panj when in the Amrit sanchaar. Once they leave it, they should never be treated differently outside. They are just Gursikhs. That basically covers it, I hope it was helpful. Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!! Pyare jio, I think we need to mature and realise that there are alot of not very nice people acting as sikhs running the Panth. The SGPC as a concept is a fantastic institution, but over the last 20 years it has been dominated by the corruption of Tohra and badal. They have abused every aspect of sikhi. The protests were against their corruption, and abuse of money and sikh sentiments. These things have happened before when the Sikhs went to get control back of sikh institutions like Nankana sahib. This is not sikhs fighting against sikhs, although it does look like that. It is sikhs fighting against the corruption, and misuse within the SGPC, it is sikhs against Badal and Tohra, and their likes. We should instead be proud their are sikhs still in Punjab who are using the vioces and speaking out. Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!! Pyare jio, the book was one the books officially authorised in mainstream buddism. The reason I found it disappointing was because, as has been mentioned buddhism is about being tyaagi, and knowing ones limits, and the inevitability of death. Buddha great revelations, are basic common sense. I did not find them very revealing. There is nothing disagreeable, and it is all common sense. Possibly it was just me, I thought I would find something really profound. Like when you read gurbani, and you start to understand, Sat, Sontokh, Daya , and Dharam. Or Karam philosphy, or naam and it relation with the mun, and the overwhelming feeling of bairaag, or saas giraas naam abyass entering the dasam duaar. Gurmat is so profound. As soon you think you understand it, you suddenly realise, you know nothing and it is so much deeper. Then you realise what an ocean Gurbani really is. I think it may be me, I saw a real spiritualist in Buddha, and was expecting really eye opening vichaar, not basic inevitabilities. Buddha defines the nature of the world well, but does not provide adequate answers, neither a vision for mankind. This is my opinion. Gurmat defines the nature of the world far mar accurately and deeply, then shows man how everything negative derives from the mind, kaam, krodh, lob , moh hankaar. Then how to replace, and overcome these emotions, and a vision, of Naam japna, kirt karne & wand ke Chakna. The concept of the saint soldier, and seva, simran, sacrifice, and complete love for humanity and the creation, leading to sat, sontokh, daya, and dharam. This is just my opinion, I was s imilarly disappointed when i read the bible and koran. Both have some fantastically positive learning in them. But I have come across nothing as profound as Shabad Guru. Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!! Pyare jio, veer ji, Guru Nanak Dev Ji did not go on Udasis. he rejected their thinking. Guru ji based his thought on Gurbani. The shabad Guru, and his thinking was followed on by Sahib Siri Guru Angad dev Ji. Udasis are not sikhs, and their thinking was rejected by the Guru sahibaans. Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!! Pyare jio, quite a few religions believe that humans started from an adam and eve concept. Science has already proved this is impossible. The genes of the children would clash, and it is not possible for everyone to come from one being, and where did they themselves come from. That also seems like the chikcken and egg scenario. There was a generation of Egyptian rulers, sorry I have forgotten their names. To ensure absolute control, this generation, made a rule that their children can only inter-marry, i.e. son marries his sister or mother or daughter. This continued for 2 generations. By the time of the third generation, the children started to be born deformed. But still they continued the practice. Eventually the dynasty destroyed itself, as its children all were born deformed. It was due to some genetic clash. Many religions, such as Christianity, Islam, Jehovah witness, who believe in this concept of everyone coming from adam and Eve. This is not possible. Genetically it would not have worked. Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!! Pyare jio, so basically the significant majority of the panth is not Amritdhari, according to jagdeep and lalleshavri, because when we took amrit only our Guru, sahib Siri Guru Granth sahib was present, with the Panj Pyares. The fact that the panth does not accept the dasam granth, and sarbloh granth as necessary in the Amrit sanchaar is irrelevant. The Guru Granth does not have the Shakti, to be a guru in its own right. And the majority of the bibian in the panth are not Amritdharis because they took Amrit from a khanda, instead of a kirpaan. So much for believing Amrit, sahib Siri Guru Granth sahib ji, khalsa spirit, equality in sikhi, love for One Panth, etc, etc. I can hardly see how this has any justification in sikhi, and it also makes me wonder how on one side the same people talk about religious tolerance to Hindus, etc, and yet they themselves are so intolerant to sikhs. Veer N30, I do not think you can possibly continue to justify them and their views. You may be upset with us for mentioning your messageboard, but the reality is you are the only ones giving them a platform, and if as a result if your forum is being slated, then it is justified. Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!! Pyare jio, veer N30, you seem to be upset. Firstly I am from Uk, and I know Niddar, and many of his associates, and I am sure they know me. I was involved in Southall gathka akhara with Parmjit and Iqbal, both now his right hand men, many years ago. I know they know where I stand, and I know where they stand. I have never said they are RSS, that is what people say, and I believe it is an over-used dialogue. However the resemblance in thier parchaar is uncanny. What I do say is the snaatan sikhi which they preach, is exactly the same as what Swami Dayanand spoke of back in the days of Arya Samaj. They deny this, but have not been able to demonstarte how their version of snaaatan sikhi differs from what swami dayanand so eloquently spoke. Eventually his ideologue was defeated by the Singh sabha Movement. The same movement that nihangs call a British plot, which shows them completely lacking in history. The very thing they claim to be experts in. As far as go and see buddha dal talk. I have seen them many times. They made the Khanda and kirpans which adorn my room. I am sorry to say they do not impress me much. That was also what the same that Niddars right hand men said to me aswell, so we do agree on something. Pyare bhenji, Sahiajleen kaur, your have a nice name. If I have offended you, then it was not intention, I just gave my opinion. If you are countering the damage done by these individuals, then all credit to yourself. I choose not to visit that forum anymore, becuase it induces the very feelings, that as sikh we wish to aviod, and yearn for abyass, and inspiration. I wish you well i n your dealings with them. We all believe in freedom of speech, but are also worldly wise enough to know how dangerous it can be when mis-used. I think everything would be fine on every egroup and forum if people actually used there real names, and moderators did not allow hidden ids. The honesty would previal, and all the sillyness would stop. Possibally some for everyone to think about, especially those moderating forums. Every sikh should be able to stand by what they say, otherwise what kind of sant siphahi are they? Apologies to veer ji who asked the question, we have gone at a tangent a bit. Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!! Pyare jio, I think veer Bikramjit singh has put on more than enough proof on many of threads. I cannot honestly believe that you yourself can stand by what is being written on them. You should also remember, my own personal experience, when the moderators allowed posts by a person pretending to be a Hindu, which was obvious he was not. When this pointed out he was allowed 3 - 4 long posts to post against me. Eventhough the posts were completely against your own forum rules. Then afterwards my responses, he then acknowledged everything he had written was untrue, and deleted all his posts. The fact that yourselves as moderaotors can allow such things in the first place, does not demonstrate good moderation, and also shows how you only follow your rules, according to your own bias. I have not used your forum since, and do not intend to. I have just expressed my opinion on your forum, which you know it is true. So I do not see why you are offended. You cannot deny that your forum is biased, and also it allows things against Gurmat. If I aswell as others are commenting on this, then rather than get offending, takes the measures to make a fair and respectable forum. If you are not prepared to do this, the people will complain. Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!! Pyare jio, in reference to the last mail, I think this mornings hukamnama for Siri Harmandar Sahib sums up everything. DHANAASAREE, FIFTH MEHL: The Lord saves His Saints. One who wishes misfortune upon the Lord’s slaves, shall be destroyed by the Lord eventually. || 1 || Pause || He Himself is the help and support of His humble servants; He defeats the slanderers, and chases them away. Wandering around aimlessly, they die out there; they never return to their homes again. || 1 || Nanak seeks the Sanctuary of the Destroyer of pain; he sings the Glorious Praises of the infinite Lord forever. The faces of the slanderers are blackened in the courts of this world, and the world beyond. || 2 || 15 || Tuesday 19th Maghar (Samvat 535 Nanakshahi) Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!! pyare jio, I have always had a lot of respect for buddhists, and found them to be very nice people. This interest later led me to read the life story of Buddha. I originally thought it would be profound, like our Guru Kian sakhees. But was quite dissappointed. It was very dry and basic. Later our leeds and bradford sikh youth group members, met some buddhists and had debates with them, very amicable, both very interested in learning more about each other. They were amazed when they heard about sikhi, and in particular Amrit vela. Ours starts between 2-3 am, and theres starts about 7-9 am. When they found out about deep sikhi actually was, they could not believe it. The problem is that we have such bad PR on sikhi. No-body knows how profound it is. Buddhism is largely respected throughout the world, mainly due to the wonderful work of the dalia lama. He is a world personality, which is exactly what our jathedars of the Takhts should be, but are not, in fact many are not even personalities in the panth. Sikhs does not to promote itself, if it really wishes to do justice to our Guru Jis message. Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!! Pyare jio, I totally agree, they have an open license on sikhawareness, so leave them to that. I think moderators should be far more strict on them. They have no obvious interest in Gurmat, and do nothing but create confusion in youth, or creating an atmosphere of argueing, which is equally putting off for new youth, who wish to learn. Lets try and make this a decent forum, where people actually learn something, and not an idiots convention, like other forums. I do agree with other that learner singh, aka, narsingha, aka Jagdeep hounslow should be removed. If moderators still disgree then check his websites out, they are the nang ones, and you will find out how much real interest in sikhi he does have. Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!! Pyare jio, learner singh, aka, narsingha, aka, Jagdeep hounslow. You seem to have a habit of writing the most rediculous things on every website under the sun. Please grow up. If that site uses Gurbani, then that means nothing. If they next do a rainsbhai on Guru Nanak Dev Ji gurpurb, and use his bani, does that mean akj should stop? You have a complete paranioa of jatha, and want to blame everything on jatha, eventhough most of time it has nothing to do with them. This is mainly because your disfunct ideas of sikhi are going nowhere, and your websites are slated by everyone regardless of background. You are wideless recognised as nothing more than a trouble maker. Enough said. Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!! Pyare jio, I think veer or bhenji, ms 514 has basically clocked it. Serenity, you question me. It is straight forward. I believe the Akal Takht rehit maryada is only way to bring the whole Panth together on one platform. However, one side is Panth, one the other is personal jeevan. I believe in my personal to achieve the spiritual goals that I want, I follow mainly what the AKJ says. It is far more strict, and more focussed on achieving deep level of abyass. However the jatha has always taught us to respect the Panth, and its maryada. Which is why you will note the AKJ is only jathebandie that does not print its own maryada like, taksal, nanaksar, sant smamaj, etc. Instead they print a points of contention, which is a way of having mature debate, and not just dismissing it. I think it would be far more helpful if all other groups did the same, rather then saying only they know best, and dismissing the Panth. Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!