MisterrSingh

1 hour ago, AjeetSingh2019 said:

I laughed so hard at ur rant. Thanks. 

Appreciate context, brother. There's a time and a place for the issues you've highlighted. You know I've participated in those discussions, and 99% of the time we share the same opinions on those issues. This particular topic is clearly focused on Judeo-Christian subjects, and by me not referring to Hinduism in this instance and context makes sense. It's irrelevant to what was being discussed. That doesn't mean I'm undercover RSS, lol. 

3 hours ago, AjeetSingh2019 said:

LOL. 

Funny how u think hindus / baahmans are our friends. Such gullibility and utter foolishness have destroyed sikh interests before and will continue to, unless sheeple wake up.

The writing on the wall of history is clear for all to read. Gangu, chandu, lakhpat rai, pahadi raaje, and then the dogra traitors . 

Remember cousins are often the most unholy of enemies. 

What do Hindus have to do with those of us living in the West who encounter the affects of the existence and various systems of practice relating to Jews, Christians, and Muslims? Of what concern are Hindus to the OP who started this thread as it relates to their influence in spreading their respective doctrines in Hyde Park?

Your deviousness and hostility is interesting to note, particularly as I've been unequivocally vocal in my criticism of the Hindu community and their malign influence on our history on many, many occasions, and yet you give the impression that by focusing on the Semetic 3 I'm apparently giving a pass to Hindus on this occasion? I'm not going to drag that group into every discussion to make you happy just because you have an axe to grind with them on a personal basis. It's not my problem you've been targeted by them in the past. Maybe you don't know how to behave around people which is why they don't like you? You're pi55ing me off and I'm not a Hindu. Am I suddenly Gangu reborn?  India is NOT the world. Hinduism is not the sole root of problems that plague those of us living in the West. Get this through your head.

You've reached a conclusion I wasn't even thinking of. This topic is focused on the big 3 religions of the desert. As a person living in the West, I'm exposed to the followers and the teachings of these religions on a daily basis. The every day culture of which I unwittingly participate has been formed in large part by the contributions of these three religions.  I have every right to draw attention to the malign influences of these people on our lives. The fact that you choose to obscure this message by dragging the Hindus into an unrelated discussion is telling of your frame of mind. Like I said to you previously, if you don't know how to conduct yourself around men, just don't reply to me with your nonsense. I've been very tolerable of you in the past, but you are pushing your luck. Behave yourself before I get personal again. Before you engage in discussion with me, think before sending submit. I don't want to be exposed to your foolishness. 

Always remember that Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are the three sides of an unholy triumvirate of Semetic monotheism. Don't fall into the trap of believing one side is less harmful, and therefore more agreeable to our existence, than the others, or that one faction bears the greater weight of its crimes, and is therefore more deserving of scorn than the others. In their eyes we are pagan heretics destined to an eternity in Hell. 

8 hours ago, Guest I_Kaur said:

That's exactly what happens in the Hyde Park, where every opinions and evidences are scrutinized. I think we need some Sikhi prachars to visit the place and remove misconceptions and discuss their ideologies, because I have seen Sikh's in the park getting confused and really have no answer. I even have seen Sikhs defending muzlims and their ideologies. If sikhs are not going to defend Sikhi in the public it will cause a lot of confusion among youngstars growing up in London with muzlims and christians. It;s all good exposing others over the internet but if it's not in person than it has no effect whatsoever. 

I had to pull aside a young Sikh (late teens) a few months ago and explain to him that mainstream Muslim belief considers our Guru Sahibs to be frauds and liars per the teachings of Islam, because of the idea that Islam was the final revelation to mankind, and all subsequent spiritual messengers were false prophets, etc. It was almost as if I could see the cogs in his brain grind to a halt. He was so hellbent on defending Muslims that he replied with, "Well... maybe the Gurus weren't divine?" This is the level of indoctrination we're dealing with in the West. 

The Palestinian plight has been, from an image perspective in the West, blighted by certain poseurs and cynical political and social movements which serve to capitalise on Palestinian suffering for vested reasons, but objectively what the Palestinians have been subjected to since the 1940s is a tragedy on a scale the mind can scarcely comprehend. You don't need to be a Leftist or someone of that persuasion to realise it's an ongoing crime against humanity that seems to have no end in sight. I was quite cynical of the whole Middle Eastern 5hit show that's been in full force for decades, but having started reading into it all quite recently, it's definitely nowhere near as clear cut as it's portrayed in the West. 

35 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

you could also add the millions killed under the bolsheviks and Marxism  Holdomor was so horrific that people ate the children to try and survive ....

Russian jewish population 1.5 % but over 10% representation in Bolshevik revolution also high representation in upper command roles.

Hanji, the facts aren't even hidden. It's all in plain sight. It's quite fascinating how a disproportionately small group has held sway over the majority of human history. That's not divine patronage; it's entirely the fruits of their cunning and enterprise.

1 hour ago, Ranjeet01 said:

The Jews in the west are thought in the same manner as the baniya/brahmin is thought of by the general indian public. 

That's the perfect comparison. For Sikhs there is no clearer analogy.

1 hour ago, AjeetSingh2019 said:

disdain for Islam and christianity is understandable considering their history , but whats wrong in judaism. 

For most part of history, they have been persecuted people. Why should we not sympathize with them , considering we ourselves have gone through so many genocides within last 500 yrs of our existence ?

Their entire existence is predicated on the idea they are God's Chosen People. This idea lends them the temerity to operate without fear because they believe they have the Divine Right to rule over the goyim, i.e. non-Jews of every hue. Their scriptures refer to us as cattle to be herded and enslaved. This is an indisputable fact. Sikhi disproves the lie of their divine supremacy in the Mool Mantar with the word 'Nirvair' : He is without Favour.

Do Jews have a monopoly on suffering throughout history? What of the victims numbering in the hundreds of thousands who suffered at the hands of the Hebrew tribes under the behest of their Jehovah? And that's just one biblical period.  You remember the Jewish genocides where they were the victims because society is continually reminded of these genocides. Ask yourself why their suffering is deemed to be more noteworthy than every other race or tribe.

11 minutes ago, AjeetSingh2019 said:

except Judaism , maybe ??

Israel is leading technology innovator and has good human right records of its own citizens. (I am ignoring palestine issue for the moment) 

No, hell no. Don't even go there, bro. 

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I was about to add to my previous post that it's silly to assume that all or every follower of those faiths have had a degrading affect on civilization. I shouldn't have made it seem there are absolutely zero redeeming qualities to those particular creeds.  Some considerable good and positivity for mankind has certainly arisen from the action of those who've professed a belief in Judeo-Christian values to a certain degree. 

The Semetic faiths are a joke. They were duped from the very beginning to push a message of Godlessness.  I never realised how much they'd been compromised until I started to dig into their histories. I'm not criticising the founders who, I suspect, have been co-opted as figureheads to push teachings that are in many cases a distortion of their original intent but there remains enough vague traces of the initial teachings as to create a semblance of believability. 

The proselytizers and the firebrands use the non-sequitir of, "Our faith contributed to the enrichment of human civilization," yet it's clear to me those contributions were made in spite of the faith of their followers not because of it. 

The Semetic faiths are DANGEROUS. They will prove to be the death knell of mankind. Devils, all of them.

We aren't any worse or better than other communities when it comes to following fads, but when our people living in Western countries continually ape Western trends or adopt new ones, it's so cringe, lol. It lays bare the fact that despite all the education in the world, apne are so, so easy to manipulate into acting according to the mainstream view regardless of moralistic, ethical, and political bent. The mainstream encompasses a wide spectrum, but bypassing that spectrum is unthinkable for most people.

18 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

I think that jaggo had to do with the bride's last day of freedom before getting married.

They will make a racket and wake up all the neighbours in the village.

It's the Sikh equivalent of a hen night: a kukhri-do.

4 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

It seems to be that in Punjabi society there is no room to be virtuous. 

They seem to side with evil because it is seen as strength.

Strength over there is conflated with fear.

There is a Machiavellian saying " if there is choice between being loved or feared it is better to be feared"

Paradoxically, the rabble then flock to holy men who are, to all intents and purposes, docile, spiritual and virtuous. What's the draw of such men if the negative characteristics the public seek in the average man are seen as positives in someone apparently religious? Lol, what a confused bunch.

On 5/11/2019 at 5:58 PM, Ranjeet01 said:

I deplore the dowry system but I wonder if these kind of families sense weakness when a dowry is not demanded from them.

This is exactly what it is. How can you win? Take dowry, and you're a villain, greedy, anti-Sikh, etc. Don't take the dowry, and the bride's family consider the groom and his family to be an easy touch, which then causes the bride to resent the groom for not bleeding her parents dry, and gives rise to niggling issues between various parties. Do people enjoy a boot on their neck, lol?

28 minutes ago, puzzled said:

Iv actualy seen vids of sikh weddings where they shower the couple with petals as they do their phere,  that's Bollywood/hindu.  

I don't go to sikh weddings because I know they will wind me up. When my parents come back from weddings and I ask them how it was they say how the couple were talking throughout the whole anand karaj, laughing while doing their phere etc   

I mean do what you want at the reception but at least behave in the gurdwara. 

I know a Punjabi lady who recently went to a gujji/punjabi anand karaj and she said the couple were talking and laughing throughout the whole ceromny, the gujaratis in the sangat were talking and had no idea what was going on, they all were lost.    

She said no gurdwara let them have anand karaj so they went to a ravidaas gurdwara and did it there 

This what a lot of interfaith sikh couples are now doing, they go to the ravidaas gurdwara types and get married there. 

 

Argh, you're winding me up just by telling me about this nonsense. I went to a Sikh Anand Karaj a few years ago after around 11 years of not attending one, and I could not believe what I was seeing and hearing. It was a most irreligious spectacle. Nattering and full blown conversation as if people were in the langar hall. Absolutely no respect for the occasion or a sense of spirituality. It broke my heart, and at the time I felt a strange sense of dread for what lay in store for us as a people in the coming years and decades.

On 5/11/2019 at 7:31 PM, dallysingh101 said:

Daym Singh! 

You think fobbing the missus off like that isn't going to create further issues! 

Then, what happens when Ajeet's big 'secret' comes out too. 

Not at all. Didn't his sass expect a visit from the couple? I'm suggesting he take a short break with his wife to the in-laws. Enjoy the break, see the sights, etc. Before departure, he should tell the missus she can stay at her pekhe for a few weeks if she likes. She won't say no. She'll jump at the opportunity. Ajeet should play it chilled, relaxed, and agreeable while in Punjab. He returns to Mumbai, and then he should wait for the inevitable phone call asking him when he'll be arriving to take his missus home. Checkmate. Don't threaten her, don't verbally abuse, heck, don't even lose your temper. Just explain she needs to get her head out of her behind and start behaving herself or she can stay at her parents' indefinitely. This little play requires nerves of steel. If he blinks, he'll lose. If he sees it through to the end, she'll get the message. Job done. No drama, no jaloos, etc.

The truth about Baba Banda Singh? A flawed human being who never professed to be anything else. He achieved great feats; he succumbed to ego and made some mistakes, but he stood up for Sikhi and fought for our survival at a time when we needed that brand of presence and leadership. He pales in comparison according to the example set by Guru Sahibs, but then that shouldn't be a surprise. This relatively recent trend of trying to "expose" Baba Banda Singh in order to diminish and poo-poo his achievements by magnifying his mistakes is pure propaganda to rob Sikhs of a key historical figure who was the archetypal shade of grey. Don't fall for the devious tricks and turn on one of our greatest personalities.

9 minutes ago, puzzled said:

Look at these pakands 

http://milkimg.pw/OUtdoor-Sikh-wedding-not-in-the-Gurdwara-THey-put-a-subflooring.html

I bet there's a growing minority among western Sikh brides who privately wish they were born Hindu just so they can perform the garland around the neck ritual for the wedding video and photographs, lol. "Curse my Sikh mum and dad!" I bet there's a few who dream of the Muslim marriage rite of, "Qabool hai" that's been pushed by Bollywood. Apne are slaves to trends and outside forces. 

22 minutes ago, puzzled said:

Lol that p1sses me off it does.

Like bhai jagraj singh said in one of his videos if guru ji is not gnna be part of your marriage then do phere and parkarma around each other instead then lol 

They should erect a full length four-sided mirror and walk around that 4 times. The symbolism would speak volumes, lol.

17 hours ago, puzzled said:

Sikhi is almost non existant in the lives of the people he gets married in his "destination sikh weddings" that you can see it right through the screen. 

This fraud isn't a sikh and is getting away with his bullsh1t 

"It's her big day. Let her enjoy it."

9 minutes ago, Redoptics said:

Well you hearing s one sided story to be honest, you don't even know the person and now she is 'animal' and a ''spoilt child" ? What ever happened to empathy , this is the problem with divorce rates within the Sikh community.

Until she decides to join the forum and present her case, I can only go by what OP has presented.

I'm not suggesting he should divorce her or even raise his voice to her. Just let her cool off for a while. If she has any common sense, she'll begin to wonder after a few weeks why nobody has called to arrange her journey back to her in-laws. How he deals with her from that point onward will go some way to set the tone for the entire relationship. He'll send a message to her and her family without making a scene or a tamasha of the situation. It's a win-win for all.

16 minutes ago, Redoptics said:

How is dropping his wife and him returning home going to resolve her issues, what you need to do is ask why she gets upset so quick, see a councillor or something,  do something productive together.  Money constraints at the beginning of a marriage isn't good either.

Your first mistake is devising solutions that are designed to work for mature and sensible adults. She's behaving somewhere between an animal and a spoilt child. So treat her like one. Based on what OP has said, she seems incapable of reciprocating and appreciating the efforts made to welcome her into the family and understanding that not everyone's coffers are overflowing with material goods and money. But the rings > chain move was ill advised. Very ill advised.

Plus, counselling? Again, it's a solution for adults, not these unfeeling, cold, demons in human form. 

There's a mistaken assumption made by some of our people that a bride from a comparatively poorer and less affluent background will have developed a sense of humility and all the agreeable personality attributes that belong to someone who hasn't had their head turned by materialism, the chief idea for selecting such a partner being she won't cause waves at her in-laws and therefore is less prone to nakhre. That may have been true once upon a time but now is no longer a reality.

So, you either nip this behaviour in the bud at this relatively early stage -- thus preventing a lifetime of hassle and grief for all -- or you allow this behaviour to seed, sprout and grow. I know what route I'd take, and it's not one involving counselling or building a jigsaw puzzle together.

Shouldn't have sold her rings, bro, regardless of whether they were melted and repurposed as a chain. Those were "hers." These small-minded third worlders don't need an excuse to cultivate grudges and create problems. You just gave her a gold-plated excuse to cause trouble and escalate every tiny issue into something bigger.

Take the holiday to Punjab and take her with you. Let her stay for a few weeks or even a few months but you return after a few days. Don't call her. I mean it. See what happens.