MisterrSingh

On 3/17/2019 at 2:16 PM, puzzled said:

A lot of them have this slight "twisted ness" in their heads!  I don't know what it is but they seem to have it. You notice it when you talk to them  it's something slightly twisted or sick    

Where do you think that originates from? Religion or culture? I agree with you, though I must admit that quality you've described seems to be present only in certain Muslims from particular regions. I'm friends with a couple of Iranians and a Lebanese, and they certainly don't have that unsettling "twistedness." With the other sort, it's like their perception of humanity and the world is slightly askew in comparison to most people; as if they're viewing reality through a lense of mankind's lowest and most based motivations. Whenever I'm around certain Muslims, my Fight or Flight instinct is always activated. I can't relax around them. Hilariously, my hand instinctively finds its way to the hilt of my kirpan even when it's under my clothes, lol. 

I don't like how Gurps is eyeballing me. Why's he eyeballin' me?

37 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

Here's an interesting old account of some apnay who went to work in the region just before ISIS took over. The original website is no longer about, but the contents was copied before it went down:

http://www.sikhawareness.com/topic/17616-the-one-who-got-away-xtian-gurdaspur-boy-and-isis/

Jeez Louise. That's a harrowing read. We occasionally knock the loafers and lafungeh of Punjab, but others just want to make something of their lives for their families. The fact they feel their only chance to succeed is to work in a warzone is an indictment on the opportunities available to people back home.

34 minutes ago, BhForce said:

So you're OK with mankind plunging into darkness for a few centuries? And we're to console ourselves with "it'll be just fine, 300 years after my child is dead"?

I don't think you should accuse him of faithlessness in God.

To the contrary, the Western liberals who are OK with jihadis in their midst (to the extent of giving them housing benefits) are the ones who don't have faith in God.

It's exactly the faith of @MisterrSingh and others in God that seems to me to lead to their desire to confront the threat as opposed to just going along to get along.

I mean, when 6th Paatshah decided it was of paramount importance to introduce Miri alongside Piri, did it signify a loss of faith in Akal Purakh and the belief that his spiritual power could overcome any obstacle? Should Sikhs have retreated to the forests and just prayed the Mughals away? When the fort at Chamkaur was under siege I suppose Guru Sahib should've suspended all martial action and preparations, and instigated an Akhand Jaap to shoo the Mughals forces away.

I guess I shouldn't inform fellow brothers and sisters about what may lie ahead in the future (as I see it), and help them chart a course away from pitfalls and obstacles they might encounter in those situations, because merely mentioning the worst case scenario is doom-mongering and a sign of a negative, unbelieving mind(!) Fine. I'll plan for the worst and be glad IF it doesn't happen -- but I will be thoroughly prepared IF it does -- whilst others HOPE and delude themselves into thinking life will continue unhindered, but then are desperately looking around for a saviour or are paralysed through fear and inaction when things do eventually go south. I know what course of action I prefer, and it's not the one that relies on the goodness of humanity. Death is an inescapable truth for all living things, but I'll be darned if it comes to my door before it was meant to, and the only reason I succumb to its embrace before my designated time is because I was too lazy, complacent, or ignorant to think two steps ahead.

If you're prepared to go down a rabbit hole, there's a book by Stephen Knight that posits that Jack the Ripper wasn't a random act of savagery conducted by a madman, but a British Establishment ploy to conceal certain misdemeanours and scandals on the part of certain Royals that had the potential to destroy Queen Victoria's British Empire. It's something that's widely discredited as outlandish by people who clearly wouldn't want it to be revealed as fact, but the evidence for it is quite compelling.

Another issue swept under the carpet by the establishment to protect its own. If the will to investigate this case was apparent and genuine, it could've brought down the country. I knew the press and the shadowy movers behind the scenes were ready to collude in order to discredit the allegations, and generally obfuscate the matter at hand in order to dilute the impact and outrage that should've rightly never have been allowed to slip out of the public consciousness. This one goes right to the top. 

Makes me chuckle how western commentators and journalists are generally demonising Russian activities and interests in order to set them up as the focal villain who's the root of all our problems. Never a word about western intelligence agencies destabilising and destroying entire countries for their own interests, or heavy propaganda employed by Western broadcasters on native populations, but when Russia does something similar, then it's something brand new, unforeseen, and the end of the world is nigh.

4 hours ago, BhForce said:

What a sad story. Again, we're not supposed to get divorced in Sikhism.

What a loser of a so-called husband. I can't believe he would throw away his girls and wife like that.

I don't wish to get too dramatic, but it was a paap. There was genuinely no justifiable reason to do it. Usually, we point to the wife and say, "She must've been up to something" or "There's no smoke without fire" but in this case it was nothing. Crazy world.

3 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

What about another perspective too. That we all have differing needs for stimulus, and sometimes these variations can be enormous. Individual personality differences too. These things seem to be rooted in biology. But saying that, even our adaptability (those who have it) is probably a consequence of a particular type of neurological wiring?  

Sometimes it's not a good idea for a guy who is more introversion inclined to be married to a heavy extrovert. Or someone who isn't particularly materialistic to be hitched to someone who is very status orientated. Or for an autocrat to be married to someone who clearly has an independent streak in them. I think some of the marriage problems we see in our community stem from mismatches in this department too. What's actually is shocking to me, is just how often it goes right in our community given the sort of systematic way parents usually arrange these things. 

Now if a girl has been raised up with a degree of trust and freedom and hasn't abused that - like certain apneean do as soon as they are out of sight of their parents and wider community (there will be some!); now for her to go into a family of imperious control freaks will be like hell on earth. She may begrudgingly tolerate it, awaiting a time when she can escape from the in laws with her husband, but it may well cause a complete breakdown of the relationship. And how many times do we hear this story - honestly - how many times.  

From my experience people's thinking is usually VERY DIVERSE. This appears to be heavily influenced by biology and random factors. That's why you get brothers who've grown up in the same house turning out to be completely different to each other in adulthood. LIke Jagraj Singh and his brother Sunny Hundal for example. This is indicative of wider human trends. Whenever you meet another human they have a unique personality profile - that's what we are dealing with. The more we know about what we are walking into, the better the odds in my opinion. 

All excellent points particularly the second paragraph. 

I will say from my own perspective, I'm beginning to see the logic in encouraging -- from a male perspective -- being exposed to certain experiences before making life-long commitments. While I would never advocate or condone rampant dating and unfettered sexual activity with all and sundry, I think to prohibit even innocuous interactions between the sexes will always disadvantage the male in later life. There's a process whereby snake handlers allow themselves to be bitten by snakes in a controlled manner so that their antibodies are capable of cultivating a gradual and controlled resistance to the venom, so that when they're inevitably bitten out "in the field" their nervous system isn't overwhelmed by the poison. To the literal minded, I'm not comparing womankind to dangerous serpents, lol.

What I am saying is that most of our "boys" of a particular personality type (the shy and sheltered introverts) are ignorant when it comes to understanding how to interact with females in a way that doesn't result in them coming off worse for wear, because they've been fed the, "Kudiye naal galla ni kari diya!" from our culture, and the, "Women are queens who should be worshipped!" garbage from western culture. All the while their arguably more adventurous and devil-may-care peers don't allow themselves to be held back from obtaining valuable experience -- even if it entails a few broken hearts along the way -- that simply can't be taught or drilled into a guy through words alone. Being cognisant and aware of feminine wiles is essential for any male; that goes double for the aforementioned shy guys, because they're the men who will, in the future, inadvertently destroy their family unit through their inability to rein in a combative and/or manipulative wife or perceive the machinations of their scheming mother. 

27 minutes ago, puzzled said:

like superwoman lilly singh coming out as bisexual   joke!  lmao 

I was thinking along the lines of Armando, the 'Lewis Hamilton of pigeons' sells for record €1.25m. 

Don't you think there are greater and more pressing issues deserving of attention than eating times? 

44 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

I think only a fool thinks academic education is any sort of indication for astuteness or success in this area. It can actually be a hindrance sometimes actually.  I mean how many hoity toity apnay families do you meet that have kids that live secret double lives under their noses - go to uni and see...... 

It's probably a more intuitive, innate social perceptiveness that appears to be useful (or one learned through osmosis). Sure, certain aspects of psychology might aid, but there are plenty of people who have no or little education who do very well in maintaining a cohesive family. 

I definitely think a large part of is innate, but elements can be learned if one's fortunate enough to be self aware and observant, and there's a desire to live a particular type of life that errs on the side of mutual respect, shaanti and honour (in the best sense of the word, not what it's come to be recognised in recent times). If someone's inner life exists purely on a one-dimensional superficial level which is subsequently channelled into similarly limited external actions, i.e. eat, 5hit, fornicate, laugh, cry, and die, then it's near impossible to get through to that type of person. 

40 minutes ago, Wicked Warrior said:

And yet the sad truth is that it is the man who determines the sex of the baby. The Y-chromosome is found only in men. 

This behaviour is prevalent in muslim culture - if the wife gives birth to a girl, the wife is blamed, emotionally and verbally abused (and often beaten). 

If Sikhs are doing the same thing, this behaviour needs to be rooted out. Gurdwaras should be perfect for this but I’m guessing in this day and age, Zee TV and the likes would be better!

It takes an incredibly astute, wise, and far-seeing man to be capable of recognising the contrasting forces vying for his attention and their desire to exert control and influence over him in a domestic situation. It takes an even more exceptional individual to then resist such attempts without destroying relationships AND then ultimately nurture a positive and cohesive family environment. How many Sikh guys do you honestly know who can do even the basics for themselves, much less achieve the feats I've described above? Also, it has very little to do with intelligence and education, because in this day and age, academic prowess is not a marker for wisdom and insight if it ever was. It's about soul and heart.

54 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

I miss the times when my garden was a wild, untamed jungle. Now there isn't that much work to do. But I have upped my game with remineralising the soil with composting. 

It's definitely not a jungle, lol. It just needs some new bits and pieces, and a visual overhaul. I'm bored of the fading fence panels and the old shed. The lawn's always been well maintained even by mum when I was out of action for a few years when she was still a little sprightly, but I want to rip it up, get some good quality soil down, and lay down some fresh grass. I was thinking of going for a uPVC shed instead of a wooden job. 

1 hour ago, Ranjeet01 said:

We live in a community where the source of authority is handed to the female.

This has to change. 

The first step is to challenge the perception that women can only ever be victims, and victims exclusively at the hands of males at that. The people who push the narratives designed to demonise and cow Asian / minority men are not interested in nuance and reality. 

Working in the garden and general landscaping instead of planting flowers and stuff. Getting rid of old wooden fence panels, and putting up new panels. Might need to get rid of an old shed and replace the lawn, too. I'll be doing it myself because I want to see what I'm capable of, and I'm kanjoos, lol, joking.

10 hours ago, KhoonKaBadlaKhoon said:

Some points made here. BUT, the older generation definitely is backwards and will not want a divorcee for their divorced man-child lol. And a lot of "men" unfortunately still follow exactly what their parents say. Let's not be so quick to try and find ways to blame her. 

It's possible to respect one's parents and live up to commitments as a son without caving into every half-baked, destructive idea that crosses their minds.

I know a Singh who threw away an ostensibly "perfect" marriage with a fantastic young Singhni because she had the temerity to give birth to 2 baby girls. His mother instigated a campaign of propaganda and division between her son and the wife, which eventually led to him throwing his wife and his baby daughters out of the house. This is an Amritdhari family through and through. Absolute stupidity. I don't understand how men can be so feeble and generally ignorant to the point where they can't understand they're being manipulated either by their wife or their mother. The clown gets taken to India by his mummy who gets him remarried to someone from there... and this is where it gets hilarious: the first child his second wife gave birth to is also female, lmao. The old bibiya at the Gurdwara were saying things like, "Why doesn't the mother throw her out, too?" to her face!!! Savages!

The guy on the far left is proper trying to stifle giggles, lmao. His akhaa are laughing!

6 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

2011 Riots showed what the quam can do when push comes to shove. 

I think there's something latent inside of most Sikhs that ignites when we've got our backs to the wall. Sometimes that needs to be tempered with organisation and planning, but possessing that will to fight and survive is half the battle. The other half is actually being useful and not running around like a headless chicken. I do wonder about the uber liberalised generations of Sikhs; the bespectacled, wiry, timid guys who've spent their entire lifetimes behind computer screens and being fed propaganda, and that peace and love will win the day. They're gonna be so screwed, lol.

16 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

BUT...in the end....like Sikhi and dasmesh pita showed us, these things boil down to physical strength and power on a ground level. And as useless as we might have appeared in recent times on this front (as a quom in the UK), I've got faith that our lot can swing things in any worse case scenario. It might (sadly) actually require this to get them to man up a bit? 

Yes, Singh or Mona, if you've got dardh for Sikhi and your Sikh fellow brothers and sisters, I'm standing with you. Anyone else who's spent their lifetimes throwing their lot in with those who've undermined us and sneered at us, can jog on as far as I'm concerned. The jatha diehards can do one as well if they realise at the 12th hour how bad things are shaping up to be. They can line up behind their babeh, and hope for the best. We've held the larh of our Guru Sahib since day one. 

14 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

Remember, the Singh Sabha stuff (of which Macauliffe is a perfect exemplar) is very unlikely to highlight important political/sovereignty/military issues that were discussed by Guru ji and his Sikhs, because there was some sort of implicit agreement that they wouldn't stir Sikhs up in this way, so that they may overtly challenge british rule and try and remove it, like they did with moghuls previously. That's why SS got so much patronage from the brits.

I only really discovered this after decades of being influenced by SS literature when I finally pulled my unglee out and brushed up on Gurmukhi and started hitting lesser know pre-annexation texts. There is a whole different story in those. Which I hope you'll see someday.  

That makes sense. This rajneeti maneuvering is fascinating. Makes me wonder how things would've been if Guru Sahib had directly dealt with the British.

4 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

You sound like one of them old gorays that are always saying:

"Ahhh it's all gawn to the dawgs! It's all gawn to the dawgs!!"

It's not over until the moti janani does a geet!

But can you not see the piecemeal attempts at curbing freedoms and liberty for the benefit of the "greater good" for the past 20 or so years? If Muslims get protected by the law, how is that not bad news for us? They've groomed and exploded their way to victimhood, yet everyone else are the villains? These goreh who run things are sick in the head. Frig this 5hithole if Islamophobia becomes a law.

12 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

But I bet that this attack will be used to stifle debate on Islamist problems in the west, and things like grooming because they are going to use it to try and silence people - which is only going to bolster far-right whites in any case. 

I've been saying it for a few years, but once Muslims manage to lobby for Islamophobia to be a crime (which is absolutely friggin' laughable), that's the end of this country. No point in hanging around after that becomes enshrined in law. As you say, they'll be carting off bus loads of people to prison for highlighting issues that need to be out in the open, like grooming, etc. This shooting is a significant step towards the above becoming a reality.

Ironic, the Jews are quick to cry anti-Semitism when someone vaguely skirts around issues particular to their people, and I dare say Muslims won't be too far behind with their own version of that law. They hate each other -- generally speaking -- yet both will have managed to wrangle a law that makes them a protected class outside of their natural hubs of existence. Connect the dots, Singho! You're being mugged off.

Something I've noticed since the attack and the succeeding discussion from a Muslim viewpoint: there's a very vague hint of surprise and dare I say an element of fear that, as some Muslims see it, there are some whites who are capable of carrying out what occurred in NZ. I never thought I'd see the likes of Majid Nawaaz shaken to the extent that they're almost blaming Friday's atrocity not solely on Far-Right hate but attributing it to the arrogance and uncompromising attitudes of predominantly Leftist whites who take it upon themselves to be the "saviours" of brown people in related discussions, thus strengthening the Far-Right narrative of white disenfranchisement that gives rise to the kind of actions we saw on Friday. Interesting development.

On 3/13/2019 at 1:59 PM, Guest paapiman said:

But the Amritdhari's left unmarried and childless can become bahingams and join Dera's as more are doing each year

Sounds like a breeding ground for closeted gays.