MisterrSingh

Not the Devil per se (as defined by the Semetic faiths), but an embodiment of the Kali Yuga, which is one of the ages / epochs of history, according to the Indian vedic tradition, that is the era in which humankind exists in a spiritual and moral darkness, beholden to its most based and depraved notions and motivations. So, imagine if all the negative energy of hundreds upon thousands of years of this particular age manifested itself in order to tempt and induce. I think, from my understanding, that's what occurred.

1 hour ago, NonExistant said:

Why are they evil?

Good lord, that's a bit much.

They have their problems, but to write off an entire religion and its followers is a bit strong. 

3 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

I'm talking about the interactions with the general Sikh population in your highlighted bit. I think the interaction with the inner circle (which included his mama Kripal Singh) was very different. That was heavily spiritual/intellectual/tactical and serious in tone. Those guys knew war was upon them. They weren't just foot soldiers. Some of them were very interested in metaphysical stuff. 

Look at what kind of things are being discussed in that Chapua Singh rehat extract I posted earlier for instance. War against a larger better resourced and experienced enemy (the state no less), corruption within the panth, the expansion of the panth, different types of Sikhs and their motivation, preserving high ethics and morals in all this. That's serious stuff. 

That inner circle was different to the general populace in my opinion. They were the leaders and influencers. And I believe they had a deep love of Guru ji and his mission. That's why they all became shaheed for it. 

Ah, I see. My mistake. I'm sure it'll be clearer in my mind once I've thoroughly read up on that particular period.

2 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

There are lots of examples of Guru ji having conversations with Sikhs in their darbar in older extant literature. I think simple minded Singhs/Sikhs came for darshan at the darbar, gave a gift, maybe sat around listening to kirtan and sermons and went away happy (like many still do!). It was a more intellectual/sophisticated type that questioned Guru ji on various things. Like the inner circles, especially writers and poets. The Chibber family did a lot of writing. Bhai Mani SIngh seems to be the main parchaarak back then too. There are so many references to his parchaar in older texts. 

From certain contemporary or near contemporary sources it seems like Guru ji was very paternalistic towards Sikhs, who sometimes behaved in ways that weren't exactly pious - almost childlike. There appears to be a slight element of exasperation. But some did ask serious questions - like Bhai Nand Lal. Given Guru ji's consistent (from a young age) efforts to intellectualise and educate Sikhs - I think it would be out of character for them to go down to pendu levels to communicate with certain Sikhs. Language was a big thing to Guru ji, make no mistake about that! Dasam Granth is testimony to this.

 

Yes, I'm nodding in agreement to the bolded text. That's exactly the impression I've gleaned over the years from trying to ascertain the mood and demeanour of interactions between Guru Sahib and his inner circle of Singhs. I don't wish to do the Singhs a disservice, but I imagine for anyone but an ocean of tolerance and patience, some of the inane issues Guru Ji had to deal with would've been infuriating. I suppose the genuine devotion, affection, and loyalty shown by his Sikhs would've certainly made humouring their superficial indiscretions of manner that less egregious.

Even going back as far as Guru Nanak in the accounts of their uddasis told in Suraj Parkash, Mardana is constantly asking question after question about some of the most hilariously random things, such as how far is heaven from the earth in miles; how many villages would fit in heaven; how far do they need to travel before they reach their next destination (basically, are we there yet?), etc. Like you said, it's the paternal affection coupled with the ability to discern men's hearts -- in as much as being able to see the purity of soul -- of their companions and other Sikhs, makes even those minor annoyances insignificant issues for beings of their stature. 

3 minutes ago, puzzled said:

i think once you her age its hard for you to gel with your in laws because your almost middle aged yourself 

women who marry in their early 20s or mid 20s are more likely to gel with their inlaws because they still young and have a lot to learn 

Just now, puzzled said:

i agree with some of the posters above, it is a BBC article after all, the BBC is anti asian male and loves to portray asian women as tragic heroines and victims of asian men, its a narrative that they love selling.  they love hearing emotional sagas from asian and other ethnic women.  not that im saying she is false but you should take BBC with a pinch of salt. 

Spot on both times.

I'm not being funny, bro.

Find an English version if Punjabi is an issue. Take it slow and just allow yourself to learn a little bit. Doors will open dependent on your intentions. If you want to understand this play of life, you can't get any better. 

If you're looking for immediate, day-to-day How To books, then there's many available on Amazon. If you Google hard enough, sometimes people upload PDF of these books on individual sites. 

12 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

Have you noticed how the language being used in Macauliffe's work is blatantly trying to mimic the language of the King James bible? 

I find this quite irritating (not to mention antiquated). 

I was wondering what was going on with the, "Thoueth speaketh..." carry on. Maybe he wanted to misguidedly confer a sense of Christian derived holiness and style on the various interactions between personalities? It is very jarring, though, but understandable why he went there. 

I've always wondered the style of day-to-day speaking of our Guru Sahibs particularly in terms of their khatri background. Was it as coarse and unrefined as some gianis portray it to be? I can't imagine they were slapping their thigh and addressing everyone as, "Singha!" all the time. Yes, in times of war and during battles they most likely had to assume a certain forceful style of dialogue to get their message across, which is probably where the bellows of Singha originate. Something tells me they weren't talking down to the level of their followers in order to engender commonality. The True King doesn't need to speak like his subjects to be respected.

Reported for Islamophobia.

23 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

I'm baffled she's having problems? I know the divorcee thing was an issue in the past - but now? Maybe it's more of an issue with keshdhari men? Hell, I don't even think that is true.

What's going on here? 

Looks, personality and status play the biggest part in this (whether we like it or not). Is this women coming across as downbeat and depressed when she meets guys I wonder?

Reading between the lines, but I think she's going for predominantly new arrivals. Believe it not, they possess more nakhre than those of us born and raised here. 

6 minutes ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

reported for homophobic abuse. 

On 3/16/2019 at 6:43 AM, dallysingh101 said:

How comes you're so pessimistic bro? 

What's the doom and gloom news? That apnay may have to fight and make sacrifices in future against heavy odds - like generations of Sikhs before us have? 

Maybe the real problem is that so many of us have had it so easy in the last generation or two - that this kind of stuff - which our recent ancestors faced as a regular reality of life (relatively in their stride) - seems uncontemplatable to us now? 

Yes, the future may well be dark as heck - who's gonna be the lights.

Don't buy into the devious efforts of the *DELETED* to defame me. You see pessimism where I see reality. I tend not to err on the side of hope unless I see actual actionable and probable reason for possessing such sentiments. Hope has sent many a good man to their destruction. I have no intention of living in a fantasy world. When a man has survived on his own for as long as I have, hope is a fool's errand. You carve out hope out of despair. You don't cross your fingers and wait for the arrival of something that's not even on the cards. That's the sum of my life experiences so far. If yours are contrary to mine, then fair play to you, but I do what works for me. 

Just now, Ranjeet01 said:

Best thing for us to do is stay on the sidelines .

I think for the most part we are doing the right things.

The one's who see through the tamasha and understand the need to play the long game will understand not to get involved. It's those of us who possess a suicidal altruistic streak and a desire to be praised and flattered, will let the side down. Unfortunately, those of our people with some semblance of a voice belong to the latter group.

17 minutes ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

don't worry ! an asteroid is always there . 

On a serious note, you think the creator of this universe is dead ?

honestly , your posts reek of pessimism and utter faithlessness in god ! Far worse things have happened in medieval period and humanity still survived and you think today with much more connectivity , science , atheism , and rationale around, Islam will still conquer over humanity ?! The universe is his "kaaraj" as gurbani says. He will allow falsehood to triumph ??!! have some faith for god sake . Your anti-islamic posts reek of fear, godlessness and pessimism.

17 minutes ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

On a side note, notwithstanding the fact that Islamic extremists have murdered humanity across the globe, but this time in mosque there were usual people, like you and me, who didn't knew what awaited them.

23 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

I think that what the quam worries about the most is not being collateral damage from the clash.

At best we're pawns in this battle. We'll need to look after ourselves because it's clear nobody else has our interests at hearts.

Just now, Ranjeet01 said:

I have come to the point where whatever these "liberals" say goes in one ear and out of the other.

It's white noise.

Ultimately action speak louder than words.

The alternative is no better, so it's not as if I'm advocating for their cause. It's just that the side that is considered to be one of compassion, tolerance, and general decency -- values that Sikhs should aspire to -- seem to have developed a suicidal tendency that cannot or refuse to countenance the natural ends of such humanity and so-called generosity of spirit. Too much of anything is bad. It must be tempered by a sense of rationality and realism.

1 hour ago, Ranjeet01 said:

One of the things that the media likes to say is that they do not want things to escalate.

The fact of the matter is that parts of the Ummah have been fighting a covert war. What they don't want is an overt one. 

Listen keenly to the white liberal in places of authority where their voice is heard, for the next few days, weeks, and months. I find their take on the world to be a fascinating indication of a terrible future for mankind. They will lead us into a darkness from which escape will be near impossible.

1 hour ago, dallysingh101 said:

What do you mean by this? 

How many Sikhs do you know that you could honestly appraise as doing "it" as it should be? One? A handful? Even the self-identified faithful, there's still certain blind spots when it comes to following the "rules." One of your favourite subjects, caste, is a prime example. It's all well and good posing and posturing about religious teachings and levels of adherence and devotion, but you know very well when it comes to the forces exerted on an individual and the day-to-day realities of life, most people don't have the desire to deviate from family or communal norms, even if that places them some distance from the doctrine they purport to love. That doesn't make it right; I'm just observing a reality.

1 hour ago, BhForce said:

Right, the Jihadis will exact their "revenge" on the West. But then the goras will then want to exact their own revenge.

But who's the one that wears turbans and beards in the West? Sikhs.

It's bad, the full import of which I think we're yet to realise or process. 

33 minutes ago, puzzled said:

Haha yeah I don't he is waiting, but it's a good book so I thought I'd mention it lol

I got a feeling a lot of the books about that time are biased so I rather read one from our view rather than any politicians etc 

Fighting for faith and nation is like a interview with the singhs who lives through that time. 

Pav Singh is one of us. He's a journalist from the UK. He basically rips the Indian establishment a new one with facts. There's no bias or embellishments. It's laid out in black and white.

Not that Muslims require any excuse to instigate their Jihadi activities, but this was the one thing I was hoping wouldn't come to pass. I fear this attack will prove to be the spark that will ignite a considerably dark time for the foreseeable future in white countries. The battle-hardened ISIS returnees will be making plans as we speak. Town centres, shopping centres, etc, will be targets in my opinion. Definite shootings. Stay safe, be alert, and never allow anyone to convince you that it'll never happen to you. Don't live in fear, but equally keep your eyes and ears open.

5 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

It is unrestrained pessimism. 

Sounds like a lulloo, but that above is hilarious. I'd argue the exact opposite: it's perhaps optimistic to the point of expecting the unrealistic from a very, very flawed species, that's before even going into the minutiae of localised racial and communal beliefs and attitudes. 

Sounds like a potentially cool project.

I have a request: don't dilute the uniquely Sikh moments, experiences, and occurrences in your script in order to encompass a catch-all minority experience, particularly by crafting a parable for contemporary Islamic issues or any other non-descript, non-Sikh, South-East Asian minority, because Sikhs aren't Muslims or any other Asian group. We are our own people, with our own history and our experiences. We don't need or want our identity and our history to be utilised as subtext for other groups.

I wouldn't expect a documentary, but when dramatising real people and relative contemporary history, it does have the potential of going awry in certain respects, especially if the people financing the project have certain preconceived notions, demands, and expectations of the type of story they require. 

Your objectives might be noble, but it's clear from similar projects in the past that Sikhs are dealt a somewhat lax hand when it comes to faithfully representing us and our experiences for mainstream consumption by the likes of the BBC, etc.

Something to consider before you begin penning your script. You can't say you weren't made aware of these issues, because I've done so just now.

On 3/14/2019 at 8:32 AM, Guest Channel4dean said:

Hello. I am writing a screenplay for a film commissioned by Film 4 which has at its heart the Sikh experience in Smethwick in 1964. I am hoping to interview some local people who lived through this time and so now would be in their late 70's, to mid- 80's. I was wondering if the Gudwara might be the place to start in my search for such people?

 

 

Any help you could offer would be gratefully received. My contact details are ; Dean O'Loughlin. 07703 319516. Or email ; phoneydee@hotmail.com

Sounds like a potentially cool project.

I have a request: don't dilute the uniquely Sikh moments, experiences, and occurrences in your script in order to encompass a catch-all minority experience, particularly by crafting a parable for contemporary Islamic issues or any other non-descript, non-Sikh, South-East Asian minority, because Sikhs aren't Muslims or any other Asian group. We are our own people, with our own history and our experiences. We don't need or want our identity and our history to be utilised as subtext for other groups.

I wouldn't expect a documentary, but when dramatising real people and relative contemporary history, it does have the potential of going awry in certain respects, especially if the people financing the project have certain preconceived notions, demands, and expectations of the type of story they require. 

Your objectives might be noble, but it's clear from similar projects in the past that Sikhs are dealt a somewhat lax hand when it comes to faithfully representing us and our experiences for mainstream consumption by the likes of the BBC, etc.

Something to consider before you begin penning your script. You can't say you weren't made aware of these issues, because I've done so just now.

I don't recommend watching the video. I thought it was going to cut off when he started shooting. Horrible and incredibly heartbreaking. Can't believe it's on YouTube.