MisterrSingh

On 6/27/2018 at 10:23 PM, Sukhvirk1976 said:

Which edicts are you referring to? 

Hukamname, mostly, but also various commentaries (written or spoken) on gurbani authored by sants, kathavachaks, etc., over the years. 

2 hours ago, TejS said:

This is a good summation on Jewishness. 

The same can be applied for Sikhs, where moneh Sikhs and even Sikhs that aren't religious like Sunny Hundal, are trying to do something for Sikhi but are excluded from the "club" because of highly religious members. By doing this, we alienate them from an ancestral identity and lose their talents and solidarity. Sunny Hundal recently presented a pretty nice article on what Sikhs should be doing in Canada to fight the media attacks against Sikhs in politics, however most sidelined his advice as it was not coming from a Sikh himself. 

I think we should evolve ourselves to allow the Sikh identity be inherited and ancestral as well as religious. 

Not when our religious edicts dictate who is and who isn't an apostate. 

Being Jewish in the 21st century is more likely to be an expression of communal identity and practices -- an identity that's been forged through their various historical tribulations -- than any overt adherence to Jewish theology. 

Jewishness has almost become a synonym for describing a race and a culture than limiting itself to solely the followers of a religion. 

The one important point that needs to be highlighted is this: you will very, very rarely see a person of Jewish extraction work against Jewish interests, even if that person is irreligious, atheist, or agnostic. They realise that their various expressions of Jewishness, which is used to further their collective Jewish aims, is fundamental for the survival and prosperity of their people. Basically, they know when to tow the Jewish line for the sake of their people; there's a loyalty to that indescribable sense of Jewishness that transcends the teachings of the Talmud, the Torah, etc.

Make Bollywood Hindu Again.

It's even more intense in Punjab. There's full-on fights, feuds, and disownment in the same family when someone decides to marry another Sikh who isn't from the same caste, even when the disputed caste is more observant of Sikh practices and traditions than the side who's getting all hot and bothered, lol. It's not necessarily about higher or lower caste; just different.

2 hours ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

ahha ok nice. Are you handsome  lol . jk .. I am assuming you're sardar too. 

That's gay.

Nevermind sardar, I'm the full 9 yards! BOLE...

1 hour ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

how old are you then ? since your views on certain social policies are very orthodox and you sound very traditional in your posts,  as far as i read you. So I thought of you as old uncle lol 

PS : no offense intended 

Mid-30s. Like I said, I'm an old soul. I've never been around older people, so I've not picked up habits or second hand opinions from others, which is what usually happens in some cases. My opinions arise from my own observations as well as my admittedly subjective experiences, not through brainwashing or overbearing elders and their occasionally outdated beliefs.

15 minutes ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

no, actually its a rare to see an uncle post 70 age being active in a sikh forum. Thanks for your efforts and contribution 

I'm not 70, lol, I was pulling your leg. I'm not much older than you.

14 minutes ago, silverSingh said:

You are the wisest person on this otherwise dumb forum, MisterSingh Ji. You are like an ancient maharishi with lots of wisdom and insight.... I better stop now.

I've always considered myself an old soul. Others would argue I'm a [censored]ole!

Just now, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

@MisterrSingh 

I like his analytical thinking and his ability to look beyond near future . And the way he posts in general . thanks lol 

Rehnde, bhraava! Unpadhe lokka nu ni chamliye da.

On 6/24/2018 at 12:12 AM, Sukhvirk1976 said:

Ain't nothing in SGGS ji that objects to anyone's way.. Please refer to awwal Allah shabd 

2 hours ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

I have a feeling : our people are too simpleton. The contemporary indians didn't make us jokers for nothing. We are very gullible lot , much like typical pendu who gets easily swayed by other's words. We lack that cunning nature to twist other's hands to get our things done. Sometimes I feel it is our principles and ideals that we swear to stick by that have been mostly our bane throughout our history. However , at the same time I feel there's not much principle alternative that we had. When we have "sarbat da bhala" mindset included in our daily prayers and nothing wrong with that, we're sure to etch that principle in our minds. 

Unfortunately though it becomes a case like "Expecting others to not beat you because you don't beat them is like a deer expecting the lion won't eat it because it won't eat the lion" . And we have seen this pattern repeat itself throughout history. Today we're political subservient to people who themselves were politically subservient to foreign powers for almost thousand years. People who shed far little blood than us quickly grabbed the opportunity when it came to their avail and we didn't / couldn't do that because we simply didn't have the enough numbers to compel an existing authority to give us our share of power. 

The religious institutions we created out of our good will and the humanistic ideals of our gurus , langar for instance, are abused by the same people who're repulsive to the idea of sikhi becoming prominent. 

Or in a mythical vein I could say "Our time simply hasn't come yet" . Perhaps there is some prophetic hue to the lines we say in our ardas "Raaj karega khalsa . Aaqi rahe na koi . khwaar hoye sab milenge " .

I guess we're at that "khwaar" (dispersed and beaten) stage now . 

Great post, bro. I've got a paat I must attend, lol, but you've identified some highly salient arguments that tie in with a few thoughts I've been mulling over in recent years. I'll try to give you my take on this discussion in a while.

7 minutes ago, TejS said:

I'm of the same opinion of this. Not a very good position to be in, and that's why I'm trying to get things cleared out on here and with elders.

It's a process of continual learning. The journey isn't over yet. Keep chipping away. 

Diligently read many murder stories (or watch stuff like Murder She Wrote or Columbo) where a helpless and desperate husband plots and executes the murder of his unfeeling harridan of a wife. Take notes if you must. Then devise your own particular plan, taking into account your unique situation and needs. The trick is not to get caught. The great thing is you won't ever be arrested, because Columbo doesn't exist, but more importantly your plan will need be perfect at every step of the way, else the most plodding of police detectives will be capable of devising a case against you. Then sit back and play the dutiful husband in mourning for as long as you deem appropriate. Just make sure your parents don't talk you into another arranged marriage; the second murder might begin to seem a little suspicious.

DISCLAIMER: THE ABOVE IS PURELY FOR THE PURPOSES OF HUMOUR. DO NOT MURDER YOUR WIFE.

2 hours ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

Pardon me, but your comment comes across as slightly "missionary" type sikh lol

I can appreciate why you'd say such a thing. I'm, for better or worse, a firm believer of the mystical and divine as it relates to Sikhi, and I always have been of this frame of mind from a very young age, yet after reading up on other groups and races throughout history who've categorically achieved "more" than us in a temporal sense for the long-term benefit and prosperity of their own kind, most - if not all - of these groups managed such feats without a guiding religious doctrine or even a concrete belief in anything beyond the strength of their own actions and convictions. One would think a group backed by the truly divine guiding hand would have something greater to show for their achievements when compared to all the base, man-made philosophies on which the foundations of other cultures and races were established. Yes, the immediate defence would be to suggest, "But there are greater things in God's kingdom than are to be found on Earth," which is baffling considering all the bloodshed, the suffering, and the sacrifices are made here for... what purpose exactly?

13 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

why cynical did it not make you realise just how much those gursikhs loved you that there was nothing they wouldn't do to ensure Guru ji's sikhi reached you?

Were they not just surviving from one day to the next with little thought of anything beyond immediate, local issues? Does that kind of far-sightedness ring true as the kind of sentiment that comes naturally to us to that particular extent? I think it's a slightly romanticised re-telling of the past. 

14 hours ago, TejS said:

I've thought about this and I agree to a certain extent and have agreed in the past, but if its genuineness that Waheguru wants from us, I'm sure Waheguru has the knowledge to know whether someone was genuine in their actions or not in the first place.

And secondly, why even tell us about then the first place, wouldn't we be more genuine without that knowledge?

My opinions have shifted slightly from my original take on the situation. I'm trying to get my head around these particular concepts at the moment, lol, in as much as attempting to relate these philosophies to my personal experiences. My tentative take on this subject is whatever happens, somehow we're always on the back-foot. The fact that there are these clearly delineated "rules" for something so wondrous and immeasurable, it doesn't ring true with me. 

17 hours ago, Not2Cool2Argue said:

Also before it was mostly the khalistaan supporters and hard core sikhs who had come seeking asylum or running away from india. But now so many communist type thinking uncles who are so irreligious are coming over. In fact, the black cats and other traitors and govt agents are also coming over. Either with support of indian govt or on their own. 

I wouldn't be surprised if Modi and his advisers are deliberately shipping over infiltrators and saboteurs to undermine the burgeoning Sikh political movement in Canada; the enemy within. India definitely isn't pleased about Sikhs gaining such political prominence in the West, and therefore drawing attention to the Indian establishment's misdemeanours as they relate to Sikhs. Black Cats 2.0 might be on the horizon. If, in 10 or so years, we end up in a situation where guys like Jagmeet Singh have completely faded from the spotlight due to communal infighting and political betrayals, you better your bottom dollar Indian agents had something to do with it.

13 minutes ago, NonExistant said:

 Ignore that dirty woman and dont even touch her. 

Some might argue he's just as "dirty." It takes two to... dirty things up, lol.

I'd suggest OP to take a step back from it all, including from his lady love. If she truly is meant to be his, she won't mind while he sorts his head out. 

46 minutes ago, Jonny101 said:

Are they the same two guys?

They all look the same to me.

1 minute ago, Jonny101 said:

I don't think this is as much of a waking up as it is a revival of Racist Goras. Take rebel media as an example. They came to the scene as a waking up against Islam in the west. But intentionally or unintentionally they have attracted many racist Goras to their viewership. Why for example do they target the Sikhs.

There are some white people like Pat Condell who I feel has real genuine concerns about Islam in the west. People like him made these concerns mainstream without being racists. But then the racists jumped on the bandwagon and began to promote their own racist agendas but they do it very cunning and deceitful manner without sounding racist like Rebel media and Laura Southern who are clearly Racist but they will never admit it openly.

These racists Goras are very cunning. They will use the Hindus against the Sikhs, the Sikhs against the Muslims. While no doubt there are many things wrong with Islam in the west but we should not be deceived by these racist Gore because deep down they hate us and Hindus just as much as they hate the Muslims.

Veer ji, I've come to the point where unless these white activist causes and organisations don't name the true root of the problems afflicting their race and their countries -- and instead choose to blame liberalism or Islam and Muslims for all that's wrong with the world -- I switch off. If they can't be honest, then I'm not interested. Sure, one could argue it's not expedient to name the puppet master in these times, but what can be done to them if millions of people came together as one? They can't all be imprisoned or destroyed.

He won't be basking in the glow of adulation when his grandchildren will be forced to do the same decades into the future. Just convert now. It'll be less painful.