MisterrSingh

As Sikhs of the Guru - wherever you happen to be on the spectrum - we should never have blindspots where all reason and impartiality desert us, I.E. heart overruling the head. That's how you end up in serious trouble. Treat everyone with a similar touch, or in my case, guilty until proven innocent, lol.

For a left wing Liberal he is very selective in who he stands up for, his own people don't even get a mention.

He speaks up Muslim prisoners in Guantanamo Bay but has nothing to say about political Sikh prisoners in India some of whom have served their time, some who haven't even been to court.

He speaks up for the human rights of Palestinians but has nothing to say on Delhi genocide of Sikhs in 1984.

He speaks against Sikh groups who have highlighted and fought Muslim grooming gangs yet has nothing to say about organised Pakistani grooming groups whose ,motivation is racial and religious when they select their victims.

The above is all systematic of the Regressive Left. That kind of myopic, selective activism is why you're getting a LOT of people who traditionally identified as socialist / liberal find themselves in an ideological quandary, because they don't agree with the moral cowardice being on display in regards to certain voices speaking out in support of certain issues yet remaining suspiciously tight-lipped about other equally valid and immediate problems. That tells us all we need to know about the character of these people.

Although, it is amusing to see Right-leaning predominantly white males huffing and puffing about whites being oppressed. Lol, I think we're quite a few centuries away from that ever happening. They're more likely to be bred out of existence than ever be "oppressed" as they seem to think they are. They do have valid points, but most of them are closet racists. Both sides pretend as if their excrement radiates an aroma of scented flowers, but it doesn't. They allowed their governments - consisting of majority whites - to get them into this mess, so they should bang down the doors of these same white elites and demand they sort it out. No, it's easier to target the lowly immigrant than it is to get close to the government official who swans around thanks to taxpayers. They're all lost and confused as far as I'm concerned.

Any non-UK Sikh who has the intelligence to think for themselves would know his game.

He regurgitates the same old stuff and brings nothing to the table.

His currency is attention and the best way to shut him up is to not give him any attention.

The more the public knows about the grooming cases, the less the mainstream media can ignore this and the more they will give the likes of Hundal the elbow.

Many, many goreh are waking up to the tricks and lies peddled by those who share Gundal's ideological beliefs. A while ago I'd have been concerned about the impact on us, but now I'm quite content in the knowledge the swing the other way has begun in earnest. Still, vigilancy is the keyword.

The best advice for her is just to leave, and depending on what the mistake was: go pesh.

That's probably the last thought on her mind whilst her mum and dad are beating the crap out of her. Depending on her mindset, when someone as young as that experiences something along the lines of what's happening to her, it's a huge knock against their sharda and general beliefs. I hope, when she's out of immediate danger and things have calmed down, she doesn't blame Sikhi for the actions of her family.

I'm not saying parents shouldn't discipline their children or punish them when they make mistakes of a serious nature, but a concerted and prolonged period of abuse is not how it should be done.

The archetypal Asian beta cuck. Flip me, some of the stuff circulating in that head of his must be terrifying to behold.

Don't get upset if some momma's boys 'Gursikhs' gave you the cold shoulder in the past. I wouldn't want to mix with such people anyway.

From my experience, some of these are as lost, or moreso, than the types they consider to be beneath them. It's just that on the surface they seem like the idealised representation of what a Sikh should be.

Again, it's this propensity to view Sikhi as some kind of social club; it's not! All the heavy lifting has to be done on an individual basis. Yes, draw inspiration from others, but once you start using it as a crutch, you'll get nowhere. It's just substituting one kind of social setting for another; albeit one that, at first glance, appears less destructive, but scratch the surface and you'll realise that just because these religious individuals aren't consumed by the need to consume alcohol and other intoxicants, that doesn't mean they aren't riddled with arguably more destructive vices that the naked eye can detect.

The reactions from yesterday have nothing, or very little, to do with Gursikhi, or being raised in a religious environment, etc. It's to do with discipline; something that applies to all human beings regardless of race, religion and their level of adherence.

You're avoiding the central issue (your lack of self control and flimsy mental resilience) and twisting the issue to make it seem like a religious issue between practising and non-practicising Sikhs. That's completely disingenuous and false.

You've proven yourself unworthy of the kindness and support offered by the people (not me) who were with you during those 30 days. You wasted their time and now that you've fallen into bad habits again, it's suddenly THEIR fault when they express their disappointment?

Again, don't make this into a religious issue because it isn't. If you don't believe me, approach a white, atheist, disciplined non-drinker with their head screwed on correctly and you'll get pretty much the same reaction. Where does that leave your theory about practising Sikhs pushing others away?

I'm done with this thread.

Personally mate, I think you need to tell a fair bit of your family to go and f**k themselves and stay out of your face.

I think they're deliberately leading him down a dark path so that he frigs up his life.

He needs to toughen up before it's too late. He's proven he can't change his ways with the softly-softly, supportive, conciliatory approach that many of his brothers and sisters on this site offered him, so the next and only approach for someone like that is to get harsh and get real.

Your life revolves too heavily around socialising. Getting out and about and meeting people is essential, but even some goreh who shun the vices of alcohol aren't couped up inside; they just ensure their circle of friends - or in your case, your extended family - are the kind of people that are conducive to the kind of clean-living lifestyle they wish to lead. If they don't respect that, then you cut them out of your life. Yes, you read that right. When others only think of what's best for themselves and their lives, why are you so afraid of causing offense?

The way I see it is that you want to break free from destructive habits, but you don't have the courage to speak up against those who lead you by the hand to the very environment you shouldn't be frequenting when you're trying to make such a huge lifestyle change, at least not at this early stage of trying to turn things around.

Also, the bibiya on this site congratulating you for failure are not the voices you need to listen to. There is nothing honourable in failure. Encouragement is vital, but it's clear as day your will to resist those temptations, that are destroying your life, is as fragile as a frayed thread. A cousin gives you a call and you run off to his side like an attention-starved puppy.

You have to draw a line in the sand and decide how you want to exist. There is no honour in trying and failing each time. Blogs, etc, are a waste of time if the advice being given is discarded at a moment's notice during a time of weakness.

Those of you coddling him and throwing around abstract religious concepts need to have a word with yourself. Now is not the time for such things when he can't even resist a drink.

Time to grow up.

That's messed up the cops were involved. The media needs to hammer bent coppers as much as they do the brown people that do this kind of filth.

...the voices of the diverse youth...

The youth are ensnared from a young age, indoctrinated and divided, befuddled into jathedari, and then sent on their way before they're even out of their teens. A quick glance at some of the discussions on this site show us the state of the youth today. Matters of personal and food hygiene are considered unimportant and non-spiritual verging on the blasphemous; that's just one example from the past couple of days.

I wish I had the time to locate a post I made on the myths of Sufi Islam from a few months back, but I don't. In summary, here's what it covered. I saved a quote in a notepad file but neglected to note the source:

However, do not be deceived by the apparent current moderation of Sufi Muslims, even if they were to gain influence within the Islamic ummah. They are still Muslim supremacists at heart. They are simply on the "very patient" side of the "impose Islam now vs. impose Islam later" continuum.

This wishful thinking on the part of non-Islamic Sufi sympathisers is weak-willed sycophancy. Why defend something that, if the tables were turned, would never be reciprocated? I understand about seeing God in everything and everyone, but some take it to unpalatable extremes at the expense of common sense and the truth that's staring them right in the eyes.

I've had a few experiences throughout my life that have put me off our lot for good (I'm not prepared to spend my entire life giving people the benefit of the doubt and hoping people prove me wrong; I'm not old, but I'm also not young enough to waste my life in the pursuit of such fruitless endeavours). I prefer the company of goreh to Asians without a shadow of a doubt. You're going to get duplicity, politics, manoeuvering, etc., in all types of workplaces - and goreh aren't immune to playing those games to get ahead much like the rest of the world - but on a one-to-one basis, goreh with their heads screwed on right judge you on the strength of your character and your deeds. Our lot have a laundry list of pre-requirements and requirements they need fulfilled before they give you the time of day, and then, even if you do measure up, there's our propensity to stick the knife in when the back is turned. These are traits that are shared by the alcohol-consuming, cigarette-smoking, party-going Punjabi as well as the gatra-wearing, apparently pious Amritdhari. It's ingrained on a psychological level to such an extent that it has to be cellular. That's why I really don't believe we have a bright future; that's not pessimism (although it may seem that way). Overcoming that "programming" requires a hell of a strong and concerted process of de-programming, yet when do any of us see our lot even acknowledging there's a problem to begin with?

YET, I'm not going around shining the goreh's shoes and saying only what he wants to hear. If he's being a twit, I'll make sure he knows about it. I'm not less of a human being due to my Asian heritage, and Mr. White Man is not my automatic better just because he's white. If you're riddled with insecurity and inferiority, you WILL radiate it to others, and it WILL be used against you. If you're confident in your own skin and know enough about yourself as a person and as a collective (i.e. your heritage, your religion) those aspects also shine through.

That wasn't quite what I had in mind........

Lmao, it sounded so life-affirming and motivational.

That's too pessimistic. Open yourself up to possibilities.

What kind of spiritual people are infatuated with hygiene :)

The kind of spiritual people who follow a Rehat, of which one of the key constituents is arising at dawn for a full-body wash before settling down to meditate. Those kind of spiritual people ?

Thats interesting didn't know inspectors came. Its not like its a restaurant with paying people. More of a community meal. But its good to know that procedures are in place to make sure everything is above board in terms of food hygiene standards.

It's a good initiative in my opinion. The places I was referring to have been awarded nothing less than the top rating in the few years I've been aware of such a system being in place. I occasionally have reason to go into the kitchen of one of the Gurdwareh, and it genuinely is pristine, despite it being a small, local Gurdwara.

Rome wasn't built in a day. I'd prefer to chip away myself.

There are too many competing forces - individually and collectively - in opposition to each other for any concerted action to have a positive affect.

I've seen very little to suggest there will ever be a reverse of trends to arrest the decline, not on the level that's needed at least. Pockets of decency here and there are good and much needed, but I believe they are too little to have the kind of wide-ranging impact that's required.

But, as the old saying goes, nobody has seen God's abode, so if He desires it, the situation may turn around in an instant. I'm not saying we should cede all responsibility for change and hope it magics itself into being BTW. I do think we've yet to reach rock bottom; when that happens the only way is upwards, lol

What if Big Tera is the psychopath and this is all part of some evil plan? Turn everyone against this other guy, and by the time people realize Big Tera is the real psychopath itll be too late. He'll be long gone, walking into the sunset, plotting his next plan.

Sounds like a great idea for a thriller, lol.

The Punjabi trait for selling out our own for personal interests AND a complete lack of forethought and patience to play the long game, means we are incapable of even beginning to approach the British way of doing things. Plus, the time for such actions are about 200-300 years too late. We might've managed to make inroads when the world was in a pre-industrial state; now, we'd just be scrambling around in the dust trying to play the big boys at their own game, humiliating ourselves in the process. That's not even taking into account the psychological damage that's been done to us on a collective basis by fraudulent - and in some cases, short-sighted, ego-ridden - religious figures who've diluted the Sikh faith, as well as fracturing our already flimsy sense of unity. The cherry on top is Punjabi mass economic migration whereby future generations of Punjabis are flocking to the West (in terms of civilisation; I'm aware of the migration to Oceania). I'd love to travel 500 years into the future and see what becomes of us as a people. It'd be utterly fascinating to see how the dominoes that are falling at this moment will impact things many decades into the future.

isn't Israel the aggressor in the middle east?

Issues of piousness and spirituality aside (i.e. behaving in a manner that could be described as 'godly', i.e. beyond reproach even in the face of provocation), would we do any different if our homeland was encircled by aggressive states wishing our destruction? Of course, I don't fully believe the Western hype about those "evil Muslims" wanting to annihilate Israel at the first opportunity, but there's definitely a heck of a lot of resentment based on their very existence. The Israeli's don't help matters at all, and it is quite disturbing to see how they've got the United States on a leash in so many varied and interesting ways, lol, but aside from dismantling their entire country and giving it back to those who claim it belongs to them, what should they do but defend themselves?

I offered my services but apparently the poor thing was visiting from out of town , he fell into the pateela which was placed on the floor , he suffered extreme scalding on his body and they made the cardinal mistake of not leaving his clothes on and cooling him with them on - they took his skin off with the clothes . So apart from thermal shock there was massive fluid loss - I imagine he was in hospital for a long time with 2nd 3rd degrees and then many years of grafts and operations . I found out after the event but could not get their details to actually help them properly. Basically it was a case of parents upstairs and just let him run around with no supervision ...

After that they made it a blanket rule no kid in the langar kitchens , such a shame because that's where I learnt how to do sewa , to make rotian, samosey etc ...

My word, that's shocking. I thought maybe he'd have been fished out as soon as he fell in, but that's horrible. Is there a chance of his skin returning to normal the older he gets, or is that impossible? Kids shouldn't be messing around in langar kitchens. Some parents seem to relinquish all responsibility for their children when they're at the Gurdwara, as if nothing can go wrong.

I hadn't seen this thread for a while since I made my last post. (I'd still prefer the original topic, it's much better than what the topic is now, especially for guests on this site).

Me neither, until I received a notification that Mr. Quantavius had replied to my post from a few weeks ago. It's as if it was only yesterday, lol. We're still no closer to obtaining an answer to the one question he just doesn't feel like answering.

I'm still surprised how this topic changed from a Muslim wanting to accept the lifestyle of Sikhi and Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji, to some kid talking about white people?

The original thread of discussion had ran its course, so naturally the talk drifted to other areas. It's all inter-related, anyway... I think.

LOl! 'Touche'.....to be honest in real life I rarely meet Sikhs like yourself. You really need to get out of your small circle of friends and meet other people. You have a very narrow view of the world.

How's about answering that question I asked you a few weeks ago instead of trying to fish for information on my life away from this forum, lol? You keep baiting but I'm not going to bite; I'm not 12 years old, lol.