MisterrSingh

We had more than316 years and we are still failing.

316 in terms of the first Amrit Parchaar.

I actually got into a conversation with a Gursikh couple in their 50's a few weeks ago about issues related to this subject. I mentioned that Sikhs who've taken Amrit should be free to marry each other, no matter what their former caste affiliations. Judging by their reaction you'd think I'd suggested marriage to Muslims. O_o

They were adamant to the point of rage that different castes in Sikhi are too different to get on, and in a social situation there'd be unnecessary tension between both sides. I asked them whether they thought Gursikhi was only for one particular group of Sikhs, and without saying it outright they intimated that's how they preferred it. I was utterly shocked. Fundamentally, they were turning their back on the very reasons the Khalsa panth was formed; to eradicate caste differences and unite us all as one.

this is all be shown in the past month of stories from India.... when is the Khalsa going to do parchaar and enable these people to be free?

We've had approx 316 years to do parchaar. If it ain't been done in that time I can't see it ever happening. That's on our head, or more so the people who occupy the seats of power in our faith, of which there are many.

Atucally got another question about maya, like so how can we have a passion for something when in guru granth sahib it say's always mediate on god name 24 hours, is that our ultimate goal to work towards, obviously i am not on a high sprirtual level right now. Also know that guru's hukam is do honest work truthfully, but how can a average person live truthfully in the dirty of maya, that isnt that high spritualy And yes i will try to be not a$$ being a youtuber/Streammer, hopefully with guru ji blessing may the sangat and guru ji guide me to the right path.[/b]

Motivation, passion, and ambition aren't looked down upon by Sikhi. The problem arises when we neglect the spiritual side of things in favour of the exclusive pursuit of wealth in whichever way.

You'll have to allocate time for simran or meditation, etc, and treat the streaming as if it's a job, I.E set hours that you adhere to. Make a routine and stick to it. That way you can structure non-gaming activities into your day and achieve balance. Basically, make a plan - write it out and hang it a wall if you must - and then follow it.

Don't forget Beero and Satho.

In the same way I watch t.v. for the storyline.

I'm glad you're back. I've missed this, lol.

I play video games as well, mostly for the storyline.

Nice to see you've returned, young Singh.

Although, be honest, even though you weren't posting for the past few days, you were lurking on this site reading what others were saying, weren't you?

You cheeky bugger!

Its a bit disturbing that you can't even debate this issue anymore. If you even so much as even question homosexuality you will lose your job and possibly even your career.

Yep, that's what irks even most reasonable people who don't want to burn gays at the stake BUT also don't agree with that particular lifestyle.

It has become an over-saturated field unfortunately. Every man and his dog is gaming and streaming, so whilst it's not impossible to be successful, you've got to realise that staking your entire future on it probably isn't the best idea. If you view it as a part-time / weekend activity, then you'll probably be the better for it. Plus, being a Sikh might be your USP and will help you to stand out from the thousands of others that do the same thing. Just don't embarrass yourself, and by extension, other Gursikhs by spouting gandh or behaving like an a55 to get views and subscribers, lol.

Good luck, bro. You'll need to work hard, but it could be something that will take off.

I know of a foreign-born Punjabi girl who fell in love with her Punjabi driver when she went over to India with her family for a visit. Against her families wishes she insisted they marry. Fast forward 4 years and he leaves her with 3 kids, never to be seen again. Lesson: Don't fall in love with your driver.

It's a holiday romance - a one-sided one by all accounts - so best to leave it on the holiday and come to your senses.

Yes, what he said is something out of the 1950s.

However, I think there is an underlying current that a lot of people in socially conservative communities would have going by that report.

As Sikhs we feel everyone should have equal rights and should not be discriminated against, but there seems to be an agenda of educational indoctrination regarding sexuality that a lot of people feel uncomfortable with.

If people feel they need to take their children out of school because of this then it was worrying.

There is the above aspects to it, for sure.

The fact is the homosexual issue is not up for debate anymore, politically and socially. You'll only get evangelical-type religious sorts who'll condemn homosexuality, and as you know, the media paints those voices as a minority of crackpots.

I can appreciate the concerns of some parents who may feel even discussing such issues with children in school is worrying. This Jagdish Grewal fellow needed to make this point but take it easy on the re-education and re-alignment of gays, lol. That sounds like the kind of thing they use to do in those horrid 50's asylums.

As I said, he really should've been aware that his forthright views on this issue would not be taken lightly. An appeal to parents concerned with those issues should've made the argument he was hoping to express without the extra masala he added.

As I have mentioned before Canada and Toronto in particular is the PC and feminist capital of the world.

When you have high immigration from socially conservative countries and "liberal/PC" institutions who are trying implement a certain agenda and also claim to provide multi-culturalism you are going to have problems.

Exactly. You'd think he'd be fully aware of the above for someone in his position.

look at Bibi Bhani if she wasn't who she was it could be argued that Maybe we would not have our illustrious history of shaheedi ...that the house of Sodi Patshah would be different ...remember it was her wish for her descendants become the shaheeds of the panth. She must have been so blessed to be surrounded by Guru Sahiban in all the generations. Mata Tripta Devi ji was not a non-descript person but a person of bhagti , Mata Gujar Kaur ji even Akal Purakh said she was his bhagat ...

Im juat saying that kathavachaks have a responsibility to inspire us and empower us to achieve great things in accordance with Sikhi. They shouldnt be filling minds with, "We're in the mess we are because your mothers aren't good enough to birth great souls... instead they've produced people like you!" Lmao, that's completely the wrong message. Yet, as I said, I know and realise great avastha mothers are vitally important as well, but kathavachaks don't make the distinction clear enough for people to walk away with a positive message. It's all or nothing in most cases.

This doesn't make sense. Why would one make a time machine in order to separate the mother and father to get the answer to the question?

It's a straightforward simple question with a simple answer. You would be the child of both.

Time machine kitho ageyi? This is what is happening in the real world anyways, why put a time machine in the question.

People get divorced or separated, find new partners have their children etc etc, it's already happening, no need for the time machine.

You can view this situation in two ways. Either you respect him for staying true to his beliefs and not compromising them (although I suspect he probably expected support from others who share his frame of mind; support that failed to materialise), or you can view him as incredibly naive and politically foolish for airing such views - even as someone with conservative beliefs - taking into account the social climate of the society we inhabit in the west.

To top it all off, as someone from an ethnic minority himself (in Canada to boot, where Sikhs have an iffy reputation in some quarters from what I can gather) he should've known his stance on this issue would spell the end of any aspirations he had for being elected. A white MP would struggle to retain their post after airing such opinions; a Sikh was bound to get it in the neck.

Given the number of kathavachaks who have said that there are not enough high avasta mothers to give birth to those enlightened souls who want to return to do sewa ...I believe that the mother attracts the type of level kids she has ... think about the mothers of all the bhagats , mahan gursikhs even Guru Sahiban ...She is the portal between worlds ...

Playing devil's advocate for a moment, the above conclusion reached by kathavachaks could be a convenient excuse for a lack of desire, motivation, and basic nous for someone to transcend their roots (in this case the low avastha of their mother), and not strive to struggle against the odds life has stacked against a person and achieve something notable in the grand scheme of life.

History points us in the opposite direction, whereby great individuals have been born to non-descript mothers who possess few, if any, remarkable qualities, be they spiritual or otherwise.

Of course, I'd be wrong to assume I know what hidden brilliance these women contained, but going back to the kathavachaks, I believe it's the age-old mentality of waiting and hoping for the perfect "Messiah" or Chosen One to return and provide a solution to our many problems; it's an approach that many religious leaders seem to spend their lives cultivating as a reason for why they and others are so helpless.

Simply put, they are blaming the mother, lol.

Aside from that I do agree with you in theory, but I'd temper those kathavachak generalisations with a bit of caution.

what to do when your life and its plans all go down the drain..and everything seems to be falling apart

is god doing it for the better or is it punishment

how can you stop everything spiral out of control ............

Don't expect anything in return. Absolutely nothing. March on and do what needs to be done.

Nothing will happen as always

Apart from some raised voices and, if a few Singhs get extra irate, some drawn swords, but aside from that life will go on as usual.

Yeah, even to me this appears as if we're obsessed with them, lol.

Inform and protect yourselves, but if we were resolute in our Sikhi this stuff wouldn't be happening.

Nothing more to say that hasn't been already said in the myriad of other topics centred on Muslims, and if I may say so, not the kind of thing that required a fresh topic. 'Search' facility is readily available on this forum, yes?

What do you think is the solution

Irrelevant. Pandora's Box has been opened. We can't un-open it now. Gurdwaras CAN still enforce maryada, but they appear reluctant to do so. Therefore, any solution I or anyone else suggests is worthless.

What we need to come to terms with ("we" as in those who have an affinity for Sikhi; you might term us as orthodox Sikhs) is some people from our cultural and religious background don't assign the same importance and sense of respect when it comes to the Anand Karaj. As painful as it may sound to some, for most people it is simply a ritual, nothing more. That's why we find ourselves in this situation.

Some of the blame for this flagrant disregard for the Anand Karaj stems from our own Punjabis. I've been watching since childhood how our very own Sikhs have treated the Anand Karaj as an inconvenience to be hurriedly overcome, so that they can hurry off to their wedding halls and resume their drinking and their dancing.

When we've defiled the sacredness of the ceremony at our own hands, did we expect others who were also observing this behaviour - namely Punjabi guys and girls choosing to marry outside of their culture - weren't taking notes and realising there won't be any consequences for them? They took what our people started and then pushed things to another level. The time to protest was when Punjabis were disrespecting our ways. Now, it genuinely does seem like a desperate reaction fuelled by xenophobia and fear of the other. Too late.

Why do we find ourselves in this situation? In brief, because we turned away from Guru Sahib, or at least because we think we know better. Well, here you go, enjoy.

I dunno the US trip was a political disaster for MODI as he thought he was just going to waltz into the UNsecurity council , the yanks and brits pulled a switcheroo on him once the in dried on their trade deals . And after the UK trip having spent hundreds of thousands of pounds trying to smooze with British aristos and business only to find people telling him to take his fascist viewpoints and stick them where the sun don't shine ...he will be roasted alive by all and sundry.

Granted, but there's a huge leap from the twists and turns of geo-politics compared to the complete disintegration of an entire country. Like I said, unless there's a total meltdown somewhere in the future, I can't see India breaking up easily.

^^^ No, no yet IMO. The world will have to fall into completely disarray before any of the above happens. Pockets of conflicts here and there are par for the course. Only monumental regional chaos will allow India to disintegrate. As of now it's in the ascendancy on the whole.

Vladmir ain't Putin up with all this anymore.

surely it is a Sikhs religious, ethical obligation to help those being terrorised and slaughtered for there religion?

and yes i do think you're some dumb peasant, a deduction and assumption on i have made based on you're loose grasp of the english language!

When calling someone out on their "loose grasp" of the English language, it's preferable that one's own grasp of the same language is pretty much perfect, lol.