MisterrSingh

...The youth from the outside look as if they are more in Sikhi today, but in reality we are falling victim to jatha culture.

About time this trend was noticed. You'll get hate for this but the Truth has to be said. People get dewey-eyed and emotional when they observe an increase in young dumalla-wearing GurSikhs over the past decade or so, as if it's an indication that Sikhi is flourishing in the West. What these same people fail to do is scratch the surface and observe these youngsters closely. These young folk are like any other teenagers from around the world; they're searching for an identity, looking for somewhere to belong, wanting to be part of something greater than themselves. All noble pursuits. Yet, somewhere along the line they've been recruited (and I use the word "recruited" in the calculating way it's been presented) to expand the numbers of their choice of cult. Yes, I do believe this modern day practice of drafting young Sikhs into jathas to be cult-like.

These youngsters are moulded and groomed to be loyal followers of their jatha and / or baba, whilst the Guru and his Bani comes a distant second. Their baba and his seniors quote tuks from Gurbani and add their own masala to the meanings to make it attractive to these youngsters who want to feel special above anything else. These distortions are knowingly created in order to hold onto this next generation of Sikhs. These people have devalued the sacredness taking of Amrit; let me be clear, Amrit itself cannot be devalued, but the kind of people strutting around in the garb of Gursikhs these days is horrifying. When was the last time they sat down and truly tried to unearth the khoj of Gurbani? I mean truly attempt to get to the heart of what it means to be a Sikh and a human in this world riddled with the 5 vices? Instead, Facebook, Twitter, and Snapchat is what they prefer to waste their time on, and then they flock to a monthly rehnsbhai dressed in all their finery somehow means the job is done, lmao.

Neither their words, their ideas, or their thoughts belie anything Godly at all. It's a huge fraud, and these young Sikhs are being mislead in huge numbers. We should be very, very concerned for the future. But we're a nation of sheep obsessed with following Man and admiring his fleshly attributes. The Word of our Guru has never been enough for us. Well we deserve everything we get.

That's messed up

It is. Her upbringing and home life seemed to be one huge confusing contradiction. I have no sympathy and fail to identify with those of a promiscuous nature, but had this girl been guided away from those temptations and pitfalls it's pretty clear she had enough about her to be successful in any profession she chose.

Aside from the bank jobs and associated criminal matters the rest of what this lady got up to is par for the course for most modern Punjabis, even those from apparently settled homes and "normal" lives (the pre-marital relationships, the consumption of alcohol, the relentless adherence to a materialistic perspective on life, and a general lifestyle of hedonistic debauchery). So the old chestnut wheeled out by defence lawyers during trials about an "oppressive culture" is very misleading. What of personal responsibility, morals, ethics?

Hello,

I would like to have my forum name modified to 'MisterSingh.' This will end any speculation as to my gender. Thank-you.

Your posts indicate you being a woman. And there are many stories of evil punjabi women who commit crimes much worse than this.

Either way why would you want to glorify a woman with such bad traits, why big her up? Reverse her gender to a man and now big him up? You wont because you know the difference between right and wrong. Society expects much better from women, because women tend to civilise men. if women start behaving like animals then we might asleep kiss good bye to a decent civilised ordered society.

I've just checked and I'm pretty certain I'm not a woman. Plus, how do my posts suggest I'm female, lol?!

I agree with you on the whole, but just chill out. Can't go through life so tightly wound; gotta laugh at some things. Now if you'll excuse me I have to return some videotapes.

Have you lost your mind? As a woman and a Sikh how can you laughingly support any such criminality?

One thing for sure is that we have some sick and twisted women in the punjabi community who have no concept of right from wrong.

I'm not a woman

I'm not supporting or even admiring her actions. I'm just saying you don't often hear of our girls in these outlandish situations. Yep, she's a criminal and clearly messed in the head, but she obviously is very smart - book smarts not necessarily the other kind - and has the potential to do good. She says she reconnecting with Sikhi after all she's been through, so that's great I suppose.

Edit: I just realised my screen name sounds so gay. I'm not referring to "missing a Singh" emotionally but the other way, like a target. Either way I'm changing it. How do I go about doing that?

I read this article earlier. Fair play to her, lol, she's got balls, more than most Asian guys. I'm not glorifying criminality BTW, but she's original I'll give her that much. Her life would make a brilliant film, a Scorsese epic, hehe.

The guys in the movie are most likely there to deceive people, (if it was not the movie should not have had profits). They spend a high amount though: http://m.imdb.com/title/tt0118632/

I meant real-life preachers or pastors, not actors.

A combination of a lack of true understanding of Sikhi and spirituality / faith in general, a claustrophobic and materialistic Punjabi culture, unempathetic and emotionally sparse people, and an overall bad attitude to life. The crux of the OP's argument is, "If God and Sikhi was of any worth, I'd be rolling in money and my life would be comfortable." The REAL tragedy is that God has to bear the brunt of our own misunderstandings. He can't be affected by such slander, but we damage our own jeevans by doing so. Yes, I've been through incredibly hard times that would make people's heads explode, but never did I blame Sikhi for my misfortune.

This issue has nothing to do with mental health or medical issues that are, mostly, quirks of fate and fortune (and therefore beyond our control), so I don't feel any hesitation in saying that this boy needs to man up and stop stamping his feet like a spoilt child. This entitled, whiny attitude needs to be dropped. Yes, I appreciate the irony of my earlier point about us lacking empathy, but this is ridiculous.

Proof, if any was needed, that it's just too easy to look the part of a true Sikh, and much harder to live like one. No wonder good, decent Gursikhs get a bad rap when those with loose tongues slander all Sikhs when something goes wrong.

Unfortunately when the Sikhs do retaliate and make a video of it then this whole forum will condemn those guys and say they are terrorist, Khalistanis, Taliban etc.

If they have any sense nobody should be making videos. News will spread by itself.

How did this come about?

We have a clear picture of the guy in the pink T-shirt, so it shouldn't be too difficult to locate him. Find the young kid, then find these idiots. Are they Sikhs? I'm not kidding, some of our lot back home have a very questionable sense of humour. I dread to think what kind of negative mental affect this has had on the young child in terms of demeaning his Sikhi.

Aye, how about this?

You see, I'm in two minds about stuff like this. I believe that if you're truly genuine about your faith and you aren't attempting to rip off the innocent, mislead the gullible and vulnerable, or incite hatred and violence against anyone else, it's OK to be... passionate like those guys, hehe. It's not my cup of tea, but then the world is made up of different types of people which is great. However, if it's all one big fraud and deception for whatever purpose, then, no.

What a nonsense topic.

It's like something out of the Twilight Zone, lol. Should it even be a question?

How was he able to walk out with a saroop without being stopped? What was everyone doing at the time? And then buried the saroop?! Stupidity. I wouldn't be surprised if this was a way of inciting some Singhs to violence and worse in order to demonize Sikhs.

The Crusades that occurred in the Biblical holyland have largely been misunderstood by the average person. This could be due to several reasons. Chief among those is that the Saudis pay academics in the west to research and write books in favour of the Islamic point of view of historical matters such as the crusades. Today this pro islamic view of the Crusades is the generally accepted view.

An American academic has created a really good youtube channel called "Real Crusade History" where he cites primary and historic sources to get to the real facts of what occurred. He especially puts to rest many Islamic myths like how Muslims like to boast that Al Andalus(Spain) was heaven on earth before the conquistadors conquered it.

The Ridley Scott film 'Kingdom of Heaven' was released a few years ago. It's a film about the Crusades from the perspective of a Christian in the holy lands, and even before release there were Islamic scholars decrying the film as racist because it deemed to show the likes of Saladin doing what they did best, hehe. Sure, I wouldn't take history lessons from Hollywood, but as you said, the Crusades are a very sensitive subject for both sides even today.

In America it's different, especially if you live in a place called the Bible Belt, where nearly everyone is proud of their faith in accepting Jesus. I assume the rest of the world is different on devotion to Christianity

In some parts of the U.S. it's crazy town when it comes to the evangelicals. It's full on End of Days, apocalyptic, Judgement Day kinda vibe, lol. It's one of the reasons the support for Israel is so vehement amongst these people, because they believe only through Israel will many Biblical prophecies come true regarding the destruction of the world and other things of that nature.

Somewhat.. how does the quote from opposite religions have significance to us?

Guru Gobind Singh Ji instructed us to study and analyse the other religions. Of course, he also said that our faith in and knowledge of Sikhi should be firm enough to withstand any scrutiny from others or even our own mind when questions arise. Considering we don't live in a world where there is only Sikhi and Sikhs, "opposite religions" are incredibly significant to us; that is if you don't want to spend your entire life with your head in the sand.

Chrisitians are somewhat barbaric too you know.. I'm sure you're aware that all animals and plants have an atma too right.. yet Jesus ate fish. So that tells you a lot about Christianity.. If eating meat doesn't seem barbaric, idk what is.

You do know meat eating is permissible for some Sikhs depending on maryada and / or jatha? What does that say about us according to you, lol? I've said this before but I'll say it again, I'm a vege since birth so I'm not endorsing consuming meat. Still happens though

Most major religions offer apocalyptic predictions featuring their enraged Messiah / Prophet returning to Earth to smite the evildoers and the unbelievers. Muslims believe the Imam Mahdi, the prophesied redeemer of Islam, will rule the world for a few decades.

But it'll be cool to see them all return.

I actually agree with this comment.

The Crusades were started because access to the Holy land was denied by the violent spread of Islam.

I cannot for the life of me explain why a lot of Chistians don't come forward and make this fact known.

I really do not understand the mind set of some Church goers.

Probably afraid of being labelled as an extremist or not wanting to appear to glorify the carnage that occurred back then.

As a neutral I've noticed that British society is very quick to admonish Christians and Christianity in general, like an irritable parent giving his unruly child a quick backhander. Admittedly, a lot's been done in the name of the Christian God, but when it comes to Islam there's nothing to be heard from these same people but the gentle rolling of tumbleweed and the chirruping of crickets, lol. Cowards. Myopic, appeasing cowards. If you're brave enough to slam Christianity then afford the same courtesy to Islam if and when warranted.

While crusades were not perfectly conducted, but to be fair crusades that were conducted for the recovery of the Biblical holy land were in retaliation for centuries of Jihad done on Christian lands. In the west there is a movement where they try to show the crusades in a negative way while keeping silent on the violent expansion of Islam.

Exactly right. Appeasers throw the 'crusades' argument into the mix when trying to knock what happened during that time (not saying it was right, however Chriatians were fighting to reclaim what they felt was theirs), yet these same people fall silent on the barbaric spread of Islam by the sword of the Turk.

Not entirely, none the less though, aj kal no ones fight for righteous causes. Seen "Singhs" wearing chola sahibs, dumallay outright say they have lives to lead and would not fight for a cause.

Hypocrisy is rife even in places where it shouldn't be that way. I take your point on board.

You have no clue whats going on or why this is all happening.

Hence my glib assessment of the situation. Although if I'd hazard a guess it's something to do with money? It always is somewhere along the line. They certainly aren't fighting for truth and justice!

This is what happens when you let impressionable young kids watch GoodFellas when they're growing up, lol.

"Now go home and get your shinebox!"

Check out the comments sections underneath any article on the Guardian website that extolls the virtues of Ed Miliband, pleading with us to vote for Labour, and it's utterly terrifying. I'm definitely not a Tory in any sense of the word, so to see otherwise smart people falling for the rhetoric of what are mealy-mouthed, dishonest, and downright unreliable politicians and policy makers (whether they be of red or blue hues) is startling. The general consensus is "Vote Labour - the lesser of two evils (although suddenly Labour isn't apparently that evil) - to get the Tories out and then pressure Miliband to keep his promises."

Lmao, the deluded hope these people possess is mind boggling; it's as if they've had their memory erased and 1997-2010 has been removed from their collective conscience. Very, very disappointing at how people can be so blinkered and partisan. There's no difference between the two parties at all. Not an iota. On the surface and for the benefit of us proles they play the game to present us with an illusion of choice, but once whoever gets their feet under the table behind closed doors, you'd be hard pushed to tell the difference. I don't know what the end game is as I'm not a particularly political person, but where this will end for the average person is a mystery.