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1 hour ago, puzzled said:

I dont feel any weaker though  iv gone a bit more slimmer   not that I'm fat to start off with. I was vegetarian anyway. 

I had a blood test done about a yr after when I became vegetarian and the results were completely normal. I doubt they changed since Iv started becoming vegan.   I'm not weak  I have quite a lively spirit   lol       a lot of these bimaris are the result of not a healthy mental well being    if your positive in your head then  nothing happens. 

 

You need to take b12 supplements on a vegan diet. I've been vegan for about 4 years now with no issues at all.

@Not2Cool2Argue

No kind of tyranny is justified even if it means restoring balance. A Sikh protects the innocent, we do not advocate tyranny and oppression, and we do not fight evil with evil.

It's not a joke when people make false accusations against anyone. Reputation is a big deal to us Sikhs and it can destroy families, not just one individual.

In regards to Israel, Zionist Jews are tyrants through and through. No previous victim-hood which they believe happened in their mind will not protect them and they will be crushed.

Just by lightly mentioning tyranny and oppression in your post, just shows Maya has gone to your head and you need to wake up.

Sikhi is far beyond any worldly matters and has equally given men and women  the chance to be one with Vaheguru- the highest of the high. There is nothing far greater than that status and achievement. If any Singh speaks disrespectfully towards females simply because of their gender, then they do not believe in Vaheguru.

On 11/29/2019 at 7:36 PM, kidsama said:

Sikhi nowadays has just become an identity for most people. They feel proud they are sikh, which is good, but that's really where their sikhi ends. They drink alcohol, eat meat, practice in lust, and still call themselves a sikh. You maybe a "sikh" but not a sikh of the gurus. 

There are many reasons to NOT eat meat but I will list the most important one; because our gurus said so, and it's in SGGS, over and over again. "Sikhs" who say it's okay to eat meat, even the ones keeping dari kesh, are ones who don't even read SGGS.

“You keep your fasts to please Allah, while you murder other beings for pleasure. You look after your own interests, and so not see the interests of others. What good is your word? O Qazi, the One Lord is within you, but you do not think or contemplation on Him. You do not care for others, you are mad about religion, this is why your life is wasting away.” (Kabir, Guru Granth Sahib Ji, 483) 

That's what sikhi is becoming today. People are focused on the religion side than the spiritual side, what really matters.. Katha people, instead of doing actual katha are saying stuff like,  "ladies should do kirtan in Harmandir Sahib" or "Stop using milk to clean the gold in Harmandir Sahib and use chemical sprays." And people listen to these guys, cuz they seem to be "modern" and just add on to their ego. I am straying a bit off topic, but this is important, we must not forget our roots. We are sikhs. And a sikh simply does what the guru says. Don't listen to these manmukhs. Read Gurbani yourself.

“Living by neglect and greed, the world eats dead carcasses. Like a goblin or a beast, they kill and eat the forbidden carcasses of meat. Control your urges, or else you will be thrown into the tortures of hell.” (Guru Arjan Dev, Guru Granth Sahib Ji, 723).

You're right. 

7 hours ago, caveman said:

You claim to believe in dasam bani yet you call shastar puja evil and wrong? & those who do will go to hell? fool. 

Dasam granth and sikhi has always been about destroying tyrants and evil minded people - dasam granth has described vaheguru's nature in that way. 

ਦੁਰਜਨ ਦਲ ਦੰਡਣ ਅਸੁਰ ਬਿਹੰਡਣ ਦੁਸਟ ਨਿਕੰਦਿਣ ਆਦਿ ਬ੍ਰਿਤੇ ॥
Thy Nature from the very beginning is to punish the multitudes of vicious people, to destroy the demons and to uproot the tyrants.

However, people like you enjoy to prey on the weak and innocent. Your view has no place in Sikhi. If you are so desperate to give blood to shasters, then use your own, or from killers or rapists. But maybe that level of compassion is too much for you. 

2 minutes ago, caveman said:

You do realise when we go to get dharshan we not only now down to satguru ji but also the shastar in parkash in front? shastar naam mala, ayudh bidiya is all shastar puja. people like you are seriously whitewashing core values. Dasam granth not being bani, shastar puja is anti sikhi...what next will these nindaks come out with? 

To me, no Gursikh would ever believe in this devilish "Shastar puja" act. Say what you like but the only thing waiting for these people is hell."

Not sure why you are bringing up Dasam Granth not being Bani, when I do believe Dasam Granth is. That was pointless to mention. 

12 minutes ago, Cisco_Singh said:

Uneducated Singh Sabhia type "hippy Sikhs" have this sort of mentality. Thankfully we have the Nihang Dal's, Gurus Ladli Fauj to keep Puratan Khalsa traditions alive.  Read below and educate yourselves...

http://tisarpanth.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/shastar-pooja-forgotten-tradition-of.html?m=1

No thanks, naam and bani is all I need. People like you will believe anything as long as it fits into your murderous tyrannical mind which is the complete opposite of Guru Sahib's teachings and Vaheguru. Perhaps you should bring yourself closer to Guru Sahib and Vaheguru. I do not need any false sikhs to guide me to hell like you have suggested.

3 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

maybe veer ji also doesn't know that Shastar puja was done in locales waiting for saroops to be written as a representation of Akal Purakh  in the past , and SGPC hearing this swooped in and tried to lambast the Gursikhs who had been keeping that maryada sine Dasmesh Pita ji's time . We can choose to eat or not according to our own understanding but try not to criticise maryada before doing research into why .

To me, no Gursikh would ever believe in this devilish "Shastar puja" act. Say what you like but the only thing waiting for these people is hell.

7 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

my body told me to pack it a while ago , so I only have occasionally, in degh plus I noted that there was a definite difference between organic and non for my kids health , all that antibiotics got to go somewhere I guess. 

Everyone has a different experience. There are lots of healthy vegan people. 

15 minutes ago, Akalifauj said:

What these meat eaters and vegetarians who blindly support animal killing don't understand is the poultry, cattle, milk, animal farm industries have a big say in what is happening in the world economy.  It has been proven many times now, the consumption of meat is destroying the planet.  People are starving because people want to eat meat.  The farming industry is developing thousands of hectares of grain and corn just to feed the animal who will be slaughtered for consumption.  If an alien was to come down and look at this process.  He would go mad with how stupid these humans are.  Millions of christains, muslims, jews, Sikhs, who eat meat, give to charity so a mouth can be fed in a foreign country.  Yet if these religious people give up their consumption of meat, they can feed twice or even three times the amount of people in the world.  Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji said, paraphrasing, before looking outside, judge the soul inside of you.  If everyone took this to heart and understood what happens when one animal is killed for their plate, they would stop eating meat. 

I agree.

5 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

I would stick to organic milk from grass fed cows if I drank it . The problems with soy is if it is soyprotein isolate it behaves differently to edamame, tofu and other fermented soy products.
http://freefromharm.org/health-nutrition/vegan-doctor-addresses-soy-myths-and-misinformation/

I understand it :-) I personally gave up dairy a while back and my health improved considerably. Not going back even if it is organic. 

23 minutes ago, Akalifauj said:

Who said or told you killing of animals for shoes, wallets, etc  is not treated as a big issue.  You make up things as you go.  This matter has not been blown out of proportion.  It only seems this way because you have a fanatical view toward meat and want to stop everyone from discussing meat related topics when it's against consumption of meat.

And just to add, you can easily avoid buying things that have involved animal cruelty. If people kept quiet like how (most) sikhs are experts in, there would never be animal cruelty free alternatives. 

1 minute ago, dallysingh101 said:

What about all the cocaine on notes?

Anyway, whilst we are o the topic of oestrogen generating foods, another one we have to be careful of are methi seeds apparently. 

Does cocaine in notes cause more animals to be slaughtered for it? Whether animals are used in notes or not does not matter to you, so you shouldn't mind that some of us care. 

3 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

Yeah, but is it realistic to impose our own beliefs on another whole society who don't share them with us?

No one is imposing our beliefs on others but the notes are used by everyone, and there are a large amount of vegetarians and vegans in western countries. 

11 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

Some of you are going on like we have to eat the damn note to use it! lol

Because everything occurs by demand. So if these notes contain animal fat, it means more animals have to raped and slaughtered. These animals aren't already dead. Humans by nature are just sick and evil. 

26 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

Being a vegetarian I can attest to the affects of estrogen in soya based foods. Although I wasn't a heavy consumer of soya foods (in terms of daily consumption), I did eat a sabji made of soya mince every few weeks that may have been wonderfully tasty, but also promoted a couple of unfortunate side affects that aren't entirely conducive to a masculine image, lol. Thankfully, since completely cutting it out of my diet 5 or so years ago things on the estrogen front have been negated. Plus it use to give me kabaj but that's another matter entirely.

Don't forget that dairy contains actual estrogen. Soy contains phytoestrogens like many other foods. Maybe it's just that every body is different but I know guys on a vegan diet that experience no negative affects from soy. 

2 hours ago, Mahakaal96 said:

The person in my picture didn't eat novelty pizzas & sausages made from estrogen packed ingredients that try to replicate taste of meat.... they ate a natural healthy vegetarian diet consisting of vegetables, fruits, grains & dairy. They also didn't drink tea. I have close ties to people who grew up under the guidance of Baba Ji.

if you can't see the hypocrisy of people who claim to be vege & against animal slaughter but don't mind eating food that has been deliberately made to mimick the look & taste of meat then that is your choice. What's wrong with the taste of natural vegetables & sticking to that? 

Using the playing of video games that stimulate your external senses in comparison to food that is consumed for nourishment of the body...... & I'm the thick 1.... ok 

they have non alcoholic beer available now.... might as well start drinking those.... after all it's only the intoxicating effects of alcohol that are the problem... not the taste 

There are many foods that contain hormones, and dairy and meat are the worst in that aspect. I'm not saying you should be vegan but soya (in moderation) is the least unhealthy food in comparison to meat and dairy.

I think it's meat industries that are more hypocritical by making their meat look nothing like an animal and giving names like pork, beef instead of the actual name of the animal (pig, cow).

Many people (like myself) choose to be vegetarian/vegan not for health reasons but for animals and the environment. The health part is just a bonus. 

If you are a vegetarian, I find it strange you are even trying to find a fault here. You should just be glad the restaurant is vegetarian/vegan. 

21 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

I don't think these things were reintroduced into the panth because of these granths. I think these granths just exposed the norms of our ancestors. We are ones with the problems with it, our ancestors thought differently. They were more open minded. 

Because rather than going above Maya, you'd rather bury yourself deeper into the pit of Maya. Good luck. 

31 minutes ago, Jacfsing2 said:

Can you explain why some men in Turbans, (not Amritdharis, maybe Keshdhari?), are married to Non-Sikh women, (not seen a lot, but a few do exist in a few Gurdwaras), and if it isn't for our skin color then why would these women have an interest in marrying some Sardar? (Personally still on the whole "Sikh-Supremacy" side of things).

How could someone claim to love their spouse if they aren't willing to share the greatness of Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji? He is the greatest there ever was and the only way to Sach Khand and the only one who can grant us anything. Which is exactly why if a Sikh loves a Non-Sikh they should totally convert them.

Lel how can you be sure they are going to convert from their heart? You're likely going to just invite trouble in your life (and your children).  I'm assuming you're young, you don't need to be worrying about marriage right now. 

21 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

Your strategy of thinking anyone who doesn't conform to your notion of what Sikh can be, or being wayward can be dealt with by pretending they are nothing to do with the panth is crap. 

If we have problems in our community, or discipline issues, it's our societies job to deal with it and provide structure and support in some way - not summarily dismiss them. Id1ots tried that with the grooming issue and that just made it hundreds of times worse. 

Anyone amritdhari Sikh that marries a non Sikh is not an amritdhari anymore. You can still provide love and support to that individual, but the reality in terms of Sikhi is that they're not an amritdhari. The same applies to a male amritdhari that marries a non-Sikh. 

11 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

I've been working in construction lately. Those 'bozos' are skilled and hardworking as heck! They often come here with a trade/skills unlike our pendu brethren. 

This is true. They are hard working and have skills that we're unable to provide. 

6 hours ago, singhdalbir said:

Yes there has already been increased attacks on minorities. I have seen verbal abuse and physical attacks against Sikhs and other like African American, Asians, Mexicans, Muslim's and Jews.

 

So those who are supporting him are really ignorant of the facts and don't understand it means for the minorities in here USA. I would rather have Hillary in the office than an orange Hitler. Who just appointed a White Supremacist to a High position in his cabinet. 

Trump just told his supporters in an interview to "stop it". Lol His words were not even encouraging enough. I don't understand what makes Sikh believe Trump or his supporters are going to care who they are or not, they do not like your appearance! When they talk about other cultures assimilating or integrating, they're talking about looking like them and copying their habits. 

29 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

Our newer generations have succumbed to the "All paths lead to the One / GGS Ji featured Bani of Hindu and Muslim (for argument's sake) bhagats / A Muslim laid the foundation stone of Harmandir Sahib.. etc" faction of certain types of Sikhs who are trying their utmost to turn the Sikh faith, particularly in the West, into some sort of flimsy, rule-less, Southeast Asian spiritual, pick n' choose past-time, as opposed to a religion with certain requirements for its followers.

The above three examples I've given are all true without a doubt, but they're being taken and emphasised to extremes at the expense of other equally valid  Sikh facts, because those aforementioned three aspects of Sikhi promote a free, less rigid way of following Sikhi, which is apparently ideal for our shallow and increasingly irreligious people.

Why would any sane person even mention such a thing? Are you having a dig for some unfathomable reason?

Do you really think most of these girls have this reason behind their actions? I always thought any girls (or guys) that date around like this just aren't sensible. 

1 hour ago, dallysingh101 said:

You just reinforce the point about apnay becoming so effete that minor things like swear words is enough to send them into turmoil. lol

No one is bullying young kids on a forum, but someone is making the point that as a community we are getting weaker and weaker, mentally and physically - and given political trends these days - that's the last thing we need.

All previous generations stepped up to the challenges they faced. Today apnay make a thousand and one excuses to duck them though.

Maybe others spend most of their time sitting around on the forum and little else. Personally, I still get out and about in the real world.   

Gurbani teaches us to have sweet speech, that's the opposite of foul language. 

guroo kaa sikh ga(n)dhaavaakee naa hovai
The Sikh of the Guru should never speak disgusting speech.
Rehatnama Bhai Chaupaa Singh Jee

naanak fikai boliai than man fikaa hoe ||
O Nanak, speaking insipid words, the body and mind become insipid.
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