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12 hours ago, puzzled said:

my gurdwara has been closed    

i went there 15 mins b4 they were gnna shut it, its sad,   im grateful to waheguru ji for calling me just b4 they were gnna close it, i had no idea.  Who knows when they gnna open it again.   som1 told me the gurdwara on soho road been closed too. 

i used to go gurdwara everyday as its like a 5min walk from my house, you can see the nishan sahib from my bedroom ,and tescoes is just near by so i used to buy milk, suger and tea for langar. i got sad .   i hope they open it again soon    

GNNSJ on Soho Road shut on Saturday evening and have a live feed on their YouTube page, personally i think it's a good idea in the short term, It would have been full on Sunday morning especially with the elder generation who are most at risk, the more we do to protect them the better, i've been going to there since it opened in the late 70's and it has never shut, i found it disheartening but it's for the greater good. A lot of other Gurdwara's shut on Sunday afternoon but are providing help for the elderly.

1 hour ago, puzzled said:

Punjab is in lockdown   my cousin sister is there atm punjab has been shut down, army/police are going around in jeeps with massive speakers announcing everyone to stay inside and shut their shops. All the shops are shut and some pinds have been completely shut no one is allowed to leave or enter certain pinds. The borders have also been closed   

To us this may seem totalitarian but keeping people away from each other as much a possible is whats going to prevent it spreading like wildfire, in England we have had fair warning yet we are still behind, London has the highest infection rate but people are carrying on as though everything is normal.

The last week for me has been the most surreal and difficult week for a while, I've been commuting to work (via train), our boss is more than willing to let us work from home but can't do anything until he get's the go ahead from our parent company (which will probably happen either when they are forced or someone fall's ill), i'm taking every precaution i can but then i see a guy in the gent's at the train station use the facilities and walk out without washing his hands, there are literally posters every where, i'm later told by a person i catch the train with this guy never washes his hands, i really give up on people, the stupidity of the masses is suffered by the few.

This is how one place in China is dealing with it, we could learn a lot, westerner societies are so up their own <banned word filter activated> they scoff at the only proven practices on display because it doesn't make them feel very cozy and they cannot give up partying, so their own cases skyrocket.

Nobody gets to be cozy in a pandemic...when will they realize that?

5 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

Can I ask:

 

Who is still going to work on public transport in the UK?

Me unfortunately, but i have gloves on for most of the journey and am being more vigilant than normal, i can't really do much else until it all hits the fan and we're told to work from home (which is difficult with what i do) or we self-quarantine.

On 3/14/2020 at 12:00 PM, puzzled said:

Southall nagar kirtan has been postponed 

The one in Leicester has been cancelled/postponed as of yesterday, bit of a shame but totally understandable considering the amount of elder's that attend and would be put at risk.

On 3/13/2020 at 11:43 AM, Guest Jigsaw_Puzzled_Singh said:

Coronavirus. What do we know ?    We know the rest of the world is trying to prevent any of it's citizens getting it whereas the UK is actively trying to ensure at least 50% of it's citizens get it. From a purely selfish point of view I'd like to try and keep myself and family safe as per the advice in the rest of the world but from a purely scientific point of view there is great merit in the UK strategy. The answer - long term - is to create an immunity from the virus and the only way to ensure that is to create a herd immunity among the population. That will only come once enough of the population get it. This is actually good science and, reluctantly, I actually applaud the UK Tory govenment's stance against popular opinion.  Not that it's stopping me keeping my kids home from school though. A man has to make his own decision about what's best for his own family. But, when the worst is over and we're back to 'normal' will things ever be 'normal' again ? No. They won't. There will be a new 'normal'. That's what events in history are about. Things happen - we learn from them - and things become different.  After the worst of the coronavirus is over we know things are not going to be as they were before. The wearing of surgical masks will remain common. Skin-like gloves will become more common and advanced. The handshake will be the preserve of the older generation whereas the elbow tap will be the most common greeting among the young. And what of communal public eating ? The Langar.  We know things are going to change. They are going to have to because public attitudes among Sikhs about what is and is not acceptable from a hygeine point of view will change. But, tell me,  what in your opinion will those changes in the concept of langar be ?  

The problem with "herd immunity" is it is great on paper but in practice it has to be managed well, something that the UK government is useless at (it took them years to figure out Brexit and still managed to make a mess out of it), the issue with Coronavirus is we don't know how each individual would react to it, we have a rough idea, that's all, we know people over 80 are at the highest risk and young kid's show very little sign but can spread the virus, also, a lot of the scientific and medical community have come out and criticised what Boris and his gang want to do, personally, he should bite the bullet and shut stuff down (especially schools, a lot of the elder's will get the virus from their grandchildren, the more we can do prevent the kids getting it the better) but he won't because it will kill an already failing economy and that's what matter's to them, not lives.

If they don't get Coronavirus they can pretty much guarantee a nice dose of Weil's disease, Jesus wept, the state of it.

1 hour ago, dallysingh101 said:

My nephew just went from mona to dastaar, and he tells me that he is received very differently now. Even by people who knew him for a long time when he was mona (i.e. work associates) and on the tube.

It's a strange thing, I've had young girls walk behind or beside me when they feel threatened (i'm not a big guy), maybe because Sikhs are associated with being protectors but the same people won't even say hello to you because of your turban.

9 hours ago, puzzled said:

Not really sikhphobic but I get odd looks from mostly middle aged white people    it used to happen when I was mona aswell but I get a lot more prople staring now than b4.

It actually feels uncomfortable going to towns with mainly white population because of the way they look at you. I avoid white areas... 

I feel sorry for Sikhs that are living in random places with no diversity. Imagine living in one of those areas with lots of farms and cottages  lol    

I lived in a village south of Oxford for a few years, me and the wife were pretty much the only brown people for mile's, we expected to face racism and hate but we got the exact opposite, we felt more accepted there than you think you would, i think it's down to individual experience and education of the local population.

Have a Pagh does however have it's advantages, i get two seats to myself on the train to work most morning's, just saying..

17 hours ago, puzzled said:

this vid says that cow poo has vitamin b-12 

 

These are the same people who said eating cow dung would cure you of Coronavirus.

While i'm all for animal rights and preserving the life of animals, putting cow's ahead of humans is a bit too far, it goes to show how gullible people are, they want to worship cows and yet instead of feeding the starving population choose to waste god only know's how much milk  by pouring it over a stone idol.

9 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

 

Very difficult to say. It could be one of the best things to happen to the UK.

For the first time in centuries, the UK is really alone. It has no empire nor is it a vassal of the European Empire. 

The EU will be worried because if the UK makes a success out of it, it will pit their project in jeopardy. 

The UK will figure things out as it goes along.

 

True, but the UK, especially the Brexiteers have gone into this with a "good old days" and "Days of the Empire" mentality, they seem to have forgotten that they didn't win WW2 by themselves, it was a combined effort and the day's of empire are well and truly over.

It's down to the trade deal's they manage to secure in the next 11 month's now.

3 hours ago, Dsinghdp said:

3) Trade with India.

4) Dismantle ugly ghettos in UK.

 

Number 3 won't happen because India want more Visa's  before they start trade talks and the UK are cracking down on immigration

Number 4, well that'll be all the pro-brexit area's then.......

36 minutes ago, DSG said:

I think the documentary was good . It did not do justice to the interfaith marriage , just showed one view but did not actually explain what Anand Kharaj is and why Sikhs oppose interfaith marriage if the other party do not believe in maharaj jis values.  I think that part of the footage portrayed Sikhs as thugs. Bhai Jagraj Singh summed it up well , "where do we get our sikhi from" , how qualified are we to comment on sikhi. ( which made me think , how much Sikhi do I know and follow …….very little )

The Singhs who covered their faces , why ? They should have explained what Maharaj Ji is telling the sangat , rather than covering up faces , trying to hide something. Be proud and truthful so one can stand anywhere in the world without covering up because one is speaking and acting  truthfully.

From the documentary I think Sunny is realizing what Sikhi is and the message Jagraj Singh has been preaching . Which is a good thing .

The message about sikhi camps I think was true , where the sangat get more from Sikhi Camps than the Gurudawara in terms of spirituality, dialogue , information easy to understand etc.. This I think we need to learn upon and bring into the Gurudawaras more.

I think documentaries around Sikhi should be positive , encouraging and motivating because Sikhi is that and much more . Issues that effect the Sangat which relate to Sikhi such as Anand Kharaj , should show both views and not snippits and I guarantee you the Gurus message will come on top all the time.

The beautiful message of Sukhmani Kaur when Sunny was saying he doesn't feel anything relating to Sikhi , she replied its because you need to experience it and not just read it for knowledge.

 

 

 

 

Having watched it I agree with most of what you've said, the whole interfaith marriage portion was in there because that's where the two brother's fell out (i do feel it was given way too much time though), i just wish they used someone who wasn't covering their face and was born and bred into Sikhi from the UK to get the point across.

It was nice getting insight from their mother and seeing how he went on the path he did but the last five minutes stood out when he spoke to his wife,  she echoed the message Jagraj preached.

20 minutes ago, puzzled said:

Men beautify themselves more than the women in punjab. Women there dont really go beauty parlours in the pinds, the men do. 

They also have full body hair removals aswell  they wax their chests, arms and legs at the beauty parlour. My cousin gets that done.   I wouldn't be surprised if they get their butts and balls waxed at the beauty parlour.

They also get massages done there aswell   everything basically 

You know way too much about this stuff fella, have you been doing a little extra research or something.........

Isn't PTC still owned by one of the Badal's, they've had broadcast rights for years from Harmandir Sahib.

18 minutes ago, puzzled said:

And they have tattoos of their own names on their arms. 

When you lack an education you need some way of remembering your own name.....

20 hours ago, DSG said:

If NKJ has sexually abused a minor then that's a civil case and as already mentioned the Victim should seek professional advice and get justice.

It's not a Civil case, it's a criminal case, it did go to court, it collapsed when the victims refused to give evidence (whether it was shame, peer pressure, no idea).

Have a look at the Sikh Awareness Society, they've followed the case and even gave the victims counselling.

As for them being banned, good riddance, but more importantly it show's how unregulated parchar is in Sikhi, it seems that anyone can get up on stage and talk as long as it fill's the committees golaks, if all else fails they just go and set up their own Gurdwara, there were call's for them to be banned when these accusations first came to light but the fact that they drew a crowd and filled up the golaks was more important to those running the Gurdwara's.

On 12/20/2019 at 11:04 PM, puzzled said:

they do    i had 3 aunties gang up on me at work during lunch time because i spoke against the gay nkj man     they shut me down and told me im too young to have an opinion on these matters and that they are older and wiser and know more, older people always use this argument and shut everyone down. 

aunties dont like opinionated rebellious young men. a lot of middle aged punjabi people are also anti sant bhindrawalla and karkhu singhs.    they just see things differently and prefer it more tame.    anything rebellious and controversial and its too much for them 

The older generation generally don't appreciate change or anyone rocking the boat, sit them in a gurdwara, they get comfortable and they'll forgive a few mistakes here and there, they were bought up not to ask questions and just accept what was being said to them, now it's slightly different, we ask the questions and this makes the elder's get uncomfortable.

It's a sorry state of affairs where it has taken something like this for the wider Sikh "representatives" to react, if they had done this (and as of yesterday they and Dhadrian Wale have been banned from all UK Gurdwara's) when there were allegations of sexual abuse against then maybe it wouldn't have got this far, but they let him open his own Gurdwara in Coventry to do parchar from, does anyone really think they give two hoots about being banned in the UK when they have a huge cash cow in countries like Malaysia and Australia to name a few.

He set up his own Gurdwara and people are surprised that he's going off on one when doing katha and making stuff up, until people don't stop following cults like this it will never stop, simple as, it's all been discussed before, it's too little too late now.

On 12/1/2019 at 5:56 PM, Guest Gupt said:

Here is the hate filled bigotry from a mullah in pakistan. Hope this is an eye opener for those praising Pakistan. These bigots are free to make big speeches to crowds in Pakistan. Shame on them!!

https://youtu.be/7dWlanixDWs

 

 

There's crazy Mulla's all over the place, this dude's no different, looking at his eyes he does look high as a kite though.

On 11/27/2019 at 5:18 AM, Guest Guest Singh said:

Wjkk Wjkf!

Sangatj ji what does Gurbani say about babies being vulnerable to bad spirits?

My family usually doesn't pay much heed to things related to the supernatural or superstitions, but since a baby has been born in my family, I've noticed they do after all believe in such things to some extent. For example, putting a black and white bracelet on the babies wrist, keeping jal from a historical Gurdwara at home and sprinkling it sometimes, beliefs such as not to go near and touch the baby without washing hands and face if you've just come from outside as you could have the "hawa" which could transfer onto the baby, and doing Jaap Sahib when the baby seems very distressed and won't stop crying (I've seen this one work).

Very curious to know your points of view. Looking forward to your responses. Thanks!

Wjkk Wjkf!

While i'm not discounting the existence of evil spirits (where there's good there bad right) a lot of the "superstitions" around newborn's have a foot hold in reality, you don't go near a baby without washing at least your hands first because of germs, "hawa" from outside translates to your body temperature when you go see a newborn, if it's cold outside it;s common sense not to pick up a baby until you've warmed up.

Regardless, we always would have Sukhmani Sahib playing when our children were young and it would calm them down.

On 10/20/2019 at 11:06 PM, Guest Guest Brown Eyes said:

Upon reflection I was a more hands on Dad than my father was and yet I still feared and respected him. I believe that I may have been more informal and given greater freedom than I had to my son. To that degree I think I may have contributed to his stupidity.

 

I used to try and raise my children the way my parents raised me and my siblings, I was failing miserably, I was given a reality check by my mother when I was complaining to her (one of many times) about my children's behavior, she reminded me that the way they raised is was appropriate for that time and that method isn't going to work today, there's no right way of raising your children, you do what you think is best for them, you promise yourself you won't make the mistakes your parent's made with you (in your opinion that is).

You don't sound like a bad parent, your son doesn't sound like a bad child but sometimes our circumstances change which put us in situations that end up like yours, you've tried your level best and left the ball in his court so now it's up to him, as long as you've told him that the door is always open you have done the right thing.

If you have other children I would concentrate on them and make sure this whole thing isn't affecting them to a point where it becomes an issue.

30 minutes ago, Wicked Warrior said:

Doesn’t surprise me. Alcohol probably involved. All it takes is one person to look at another in a funny way, or an accidental push/shove, or a small remark and things can blow out of proportion. 

True, I remember when I was younger if you went to a wedding party it was pretty much a guarantee that there would be a fight, it generally involved alcohol and bruised egos.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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On 9/20/2019 at 7:14 AM, Guest Jasmeet Singh said:

However, I heard from one of my mutual friends that she has eitraaz over my beard as I’m a kesadhari khuli dhari wala sikh. She hasn’t seen me in a pagg, she saw in my patka under my hardhat. 

Maybe you should just ask her instead of relying on what others say.

You are wanting to date outside of your religion and culture, as long as you know the baggage that comes with that then best of luck.