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If one mother looses her child for any reason it's way to many, I'm not here to debate party politics (especially in India, they're all a bunch of useless self serving fools over there).

No, but a mother lost her son.

He's a money hungry Tory like the rest of them, don't get caught up in the whole "but he's got the same skin colour as us so he must be okay", everything he's done is planned out, he wanted to go for the boss position but Boris and his gang did him over hence all the news about his wife not paying taxes and his "green card" status, he's not the same as us, he would probably sell his own mother if he knew there was profit in it. There's no wondering, it's exactly what's happened.

I can swear there was another thread about this incident. I don't know about desirable, Leicester has a high population of "Illegal" Punjabi's who find it easy to get work in the local factories and building sites, cash in hand, no questions asked. I think the Gurdwara you're on about is Guru Tegh Bahadur Gurdwara, it's where the meeting took place for this incident, it's a Panthic Gurdwara, they do a lot for the youth there now, I know the head of the committee really well, he's a good guy, always doing the best for the local community.

Oh, I don't disagree, we always get comfortable and then every so often something happens that wakes us up. I think there was a little more to what happened here that is being reported but I've only heard it second hand so I'm not going to spread information that may or may not be true, either way, it's hit the local press, it only took them 2 days. https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/teens-arrested-after-after-sikh-6847539

I saw this yesterday morning and was heartbroken that this still goes on, i grew up with this kind of stuff in the 80's and hoped people were passed it. @Premi5There are a lot of Sikhs in Leicester but not as many as you would think, the problem is the communities here are still very "self" orientated and don't show support for one another when this kind of thing happens, so far no one from the Muslin community has come out and condemned what has happened, they'll only do it when the local newspaper get's hold of it. There was a really good turn out at the Gurdwara in support of these 3 young Singhs, the police have arrested 3 of the idiots that did this (they've been released on bail), the school they go to is part of a larger academy who run 3 schools in Leicester, my daughters go to one of them (not the same one), they'll be a lot of emails, letter's and phone calls going to the academy from parents this with asking them to explain how they allow this kind of thing to go on.

@californiasardar1 I was going to make a comment on you "What is the incentive for a Sikh man to keep his kesh these days?" comment but i think it's been sufficiently answered, i will however say that if you have to ask a question like that then it may be worthwhile sitting down for a while and self-reflecting about what it is you expect from Sikhi, when we keep our kesh, tie a dastaar and even be fortunate enough to take amrit it doesn't instantly put us on another level, it's just the beginning of a journey that can take our entire lives to traverse. I have a young son, we've kept his kesh, we've made sure he keep's the right sangat but it's a daily battle to tie his gutti at the moment, my wife give's up easily and often say's we should cut his hair (mostly out of frustration at him, he's six years old), every single time she say's it i cry inside, i do ardaas asking for forgiveness, i can't explain to her what keeping your kesh then eventually tying a dastaar means, to most people it's just hair, to someone like me it's a part of who i am, I hope that one day my son feels that way but i have to let him find his own way.

This may help.

Yeah, it is a bit strange, getting to your 40's and deciding to cut your kesh, seems more like an early onset mid-life crisis to me, everyone I've known that has done it has usually been in their teen's or early twenties. I remember when my cousin cut his hair, he was in his mid teens, he came round our house with his mum and dad (my pua and phuffar), he acted like he had achieved something by doing it, my Gran (his Nani) soon slapped the smile off his face(not physically though), he was pretty much crying by the time he left to go home.

I've seen this happen in family and friends circles a lot over the years, for me the worst part are the excuses, it show's how weak that person's character is, if you don't want to keep you hair or tie a dastaar just be honest about it with others and more importantly yourself, all this "Can't get a job" "I feel discriminated" nonsense, every time someone comes to me with this i gently tell them i grew up in the 80's and i used to get beaten up a fair amount just for having a "topknot", it never once entered my mind that i should cut my hair to make my life easier.

I have a little more hope now that Bhagwant Maan has become CM, he has spoken in support of Jaggi in the past and his right to a fair trial, time will tell if he's a man of his word though.

@Premi5I think they're all out as far as I'm aware, i seem to remember they weren't local Singh's (for the most part), a few of them came from Coventry. Suffice to say every time some local youth form a certain community gets a bity tasty they're told "Remember what happened at the Moghul Dardar", they soon settle down.

Thanks for the information, I don't eat a lot of the "fake meat" food's, prefer to stick to traditional Punjabi food. We do okay with wheat based stuff, we've made home made seitan a few times, it's okay once you marinade the living hell out of it. I'm not going to get into a debate about Jhatka meat, if you think it's okay to eat it then go for it, i personally don't eat meat and Jhatka meat is a no no as well.

A lot of the new stuff is based around wheat protein but a lot of meat alternative is still soya based, Quorn have introduced their vegan stuff that doesn't have egg in it, we tried it and didn't like it but then we don't eat a lot of their products anyway.

There's a lot of Vegan alternatives now, some are pretty decent and other's are trash but it all depends how you cook them. We don't use many Quorn products anymore, their Vegan range aren't really that good, our kids like the Birds eye Vegan range, they do fake chicken peices and thing's that could pretty easily replace meat in any Daal/Sabzi, if you cook them the way they tell you they end up being pretty bland, the Beyond Meat stuff is really nice but it's pretty expensive but if you're coming from a meat eating background then they are probably more appropriate because they are aimed at people wanting to reduce meat in-take.