11 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

You want to feed rotiya to a hawk?

no, I am actually asking what should vegeterians feed a baaj/hawk without going against their own ethics?

before we take the side of SGPC, read these:

‘They [the S.G.P.C.] are enemies of the true Khalsa form [Budha Dal Akali Nihangs]. Because only after making pledges did they get the Act Bill passed. They [S.G.P.C.] said: “We accept the Gurdwara Act.” [The British replied], “We [British] will pass the Act Bill but the Priests [Udasi Mahants] have made pledges.” ‘’What pledges?” [asked the S.G.P.C.]. [The British replied], “That they would not raise a voice for Khalsa Raj.” They [the S.G.P.C.] said: “This pledge we will also make.” After making this pledge they got the Act Bill passed. Under the jurisdiction of it [the Act] all are S.G.P.C. Gurdwaras. They [the S.G.P.C.] are enslaved by it.’
Akali Nihang Baba Santa Singh, transcript of interview on Vaisakhi 1999

‘Committee [the S.G.P.C.] was made. Its leader was chosen making the Act. He was controlled [by the British]. The Shiromani Committee that was made, the Nihang Singhs of Budha Dal from the beginning did not accept and termed it ‘Sirmuni’ (one with shaved head referring to one who has no shame) Committee. Why? Because it was under the control of the ‘Angrez’ (the British) and it was formed with the signature of the ‘Angrez’. And out of all its donation money, six ‘Anna’ went to the Angrez and they [S.G.P.C.] accepted every Angrez term. That is why in ‘Guru Panth’ you cannot have these committees. In Guru Panth, the Budha Dal is supreme.’
Nihang Baba Ram Singh, transcript of interview on 17-4-1998

44 minutes ago, shastarSingh said:

Strict vegetarian Sikhs say Guru Sahib did shikaar for the udhaar(salvation) of animal's soul.

But Baba Gurditta ji was a Sikh and not a Guru.

Why did he do hunting?

and he also became the leader of the Udasi sikhs after Baba Sri Chand passed.

3 minutes ago, Jacfsing2 said:

If they are that strict on not even touching someone dead; how do they justify killing for Dharam? 

oh they are allowed to kill humans in battle, but they cannot touch a dead animal or at least the flesh, because LOGIC... (it may also break their amrit according to them or THEIR specific panj pyaray? emphasis on THEIR)

7 minutes ago, Premi5 said:

Not necessarily. They could still be vegetarian and just do shikaar training.

but would that fit in with their ethics?

I heard some vegeterians aren't even allowed to touch a dead corpse, because it make them ashud or something else (or some other kind of superstition)?

2 minutes ago, Premi5 said:

Fat people blaming something for their lifestyle choices of eating too much and doing no exercise...

I reduced my waist size recently by eating smaller portions, esp in evenings

but you do know a lot of people have vitamin D deficiency these days?

Many years ago I went to my GP to complain about tiredness and fatigue, but they found nothin in my blood test.

Then I went again sometime before the pandemic, this time they looked out for vitamin D and found I had I was deficient. It seems healthcare has become aware of the effect of vitamin D deficiency becoming common in people.

To be honest, I haven't completely got my tiredness under control after taking vitamin D for a few years.

2 hours ago, shastarSingh said:

That's right.

But the vegetarian Sikhs of today are not even ready to touch non veg food. How will they feed the baaz?

I don't think they can without becoming "ashud". 

22 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

I don't see why not. It's not as if the Singh who owns the hawk is sharing the creature's food, is he?

I just hope no-one starts to feed the poor animal last night's rotiya.

so what should they feed the baaj?

4 hours ago, shastarSingh said:

Sikhs hv been keeping baaz from Guru Hargobind Sahib jee's time.

But baaz is a strictly carnivorous.

Can vegetarian Sikhs keep baaz as a pet?

it's not a "pet" though. you cannot keep one as a pet, has to be kept as a hunting animal.

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9 hours ago, shastarSingh said:

No fixed amount. That's why many hv become bhang addicts sadly.

clearly mentions 5 patta maryada in the video you posted here
 

1 hour ago, shastarSingh said:

It is great sin to do mukhbari of Guru Sahib and His Singhs.

 

just learnt a new bachan from Guru Gobind Singh, this time using the Jatt word too:

"eh jatt affreya firda hai
shawtti jee gal wee apni tidd wich nahi pacha sakeya!"

10 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Meh. Channel is good but very little Kirtan crossover. 

I can't find the tracks from the 2000s, will need more research.

there is a Nihang Singh who has a stall somewhere outside, I am trying to remember if it was in the Heritage Walk area or somewhere else. I bought a Sarbloh kara from him, I am sure he will be able to help you with getting a Peshkabz as well.

49 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Bro. I found a digeradoo track saying Vaheguru and went nuts with it. 

The difference with a guitar is you hold and play multiple strings for cords. We don't do that we play one string really. But you could absolutely modify any guitar and use it differently. You'd slide on it and play scales not cords. 

Please find that aussie Kirtan bro. 

I am sure it is Dya Singh Australia, the keertan was from the 2000s, I think I used to hear it on Desi Radio.I think one of the tracks may have been singing dasam bani.

I cannot find the tracks:

I recommend daily Manji Sahib katha for the daily hukamnama

avialiable on various youtube channels.

another one I really like is Bangla Sahib katha, he's a really good kathawachak with a decent command of English as well. Mentions stuff about goray and uk as well now and then.

1 minute ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Your harmonium is no match for a Dilruba or a synth pad. Please use it at home for practice. 

This is what your hamonium looks like in 2021. You make it do anything. 

time to start a movement.... 

1 minute ago, Jacfsing2 said:

Do these referendums even do anything? Even if all the Sikhs in the UK unanimously vote for Khalistan, what will that do?

you can call in and ask them when they come on Panjab Radio. They should be on Panjab Radio this week due to the referendum voting happening.

7 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

We would be far better off using stringed insturments, even improvised insturments and synth pads than harmonium. It's a teaching and practice insturment whos sound is outdated and not optimal. 

 

yeh I want to see more improvised instruments and synth pads. I also want to see electric guitars, I think they can make a somewhat similar sound to some stringed instruments. I used to hear some keertan on the radio from Australia and he used to use electric guitars and didgeridoos, I don't think it was in Raag but it was pretty good!  Lastly, I would love to see an electric guitar played at rehnsbai uploaded on youtube for us to watch.  

Lastly, why can't we have DJs performing keertan. Since we already use an archaic instrument imported by the British called the hamronium, then DJ keertan is not beadbi at all since most sikhs have forsaken Gurus' instruments anyways! I think there's quite a few Singhs or sardars who are DJs for punjabi functions, and DJ'ing has become a regular part of the punjabi culture. So why not present keertan in a way modern punjabis and modern sikhs are used to music, instead of using the out-o-f-date and out-of-place harmonium - it's not exactly like sangat and gurdwaras are bothering to try to preserve Gurudev's instuments anyway?

On 12/17/2021 at 4:32 PM, proudkaur21 said:

muslim women are always true to their ideals.

lol, you will be surprised to see many aren't. And then there's also the ones who have become ex muslims, I sometimes see how much these people expose islam on the ex muslims reddit forum.

On 12/17/2021 at 4:42 PM, shastarSingh said:

They haven't become besharam like some of our Punjabis have.

this is true, although you will see money talks and some have changed their spots.

3 hours ago, Premi5 said:

https://www.outlookindia.com/website/story/outlook-spotlight-live-with-courage-and-bravery-to-the-highest-levels-of-righteousness-says-pretty-kaur-d-first-sikh-crowned-from-/407020

Live With Courage And Bravery To The Highest Levels Of Righteousness Says Pretty Kaur D, First Sikh Crowned From Usa (City Of Los Angeles) For Mrs. India Usa

In other words, this lady has brought laurels not only to the Punjabi community but to every Indian living overseas as well as in India.

Pretty Kaur D

Published: 27 Dec 2021, Updated: 27 Dec 2021 8:30 pm

The sacred hymn by Guru Gobind Singh Ji, ‘’Deh Shiva bar mohe ihai

shubh karman te kabhun na taron
Na doron ar syon jab jaye laron
nischay kar apni jeet karon
Ar sikh hon apne hi man ko
ih laalach hon gun to ucharon
Jab aav ki audh nidaan bane
at hi ran main tab joojh maron” is the tenet that Pretty Kaur D, first Sikh to be crowned from Los Angeles as Mrs. India USA 2019-2021 abides by. In other words, this lady has brought laurels not only to the Punjabi community but to every Indian living overseas as well as in India.

has anyone watched the contest? Did they have any degrading rounds where they have to expose their bodies? I hope not, not for someone who is speaking bani.

3 hours ago, Premi5 said:

Not just women, but males also

https://shirtlessbollywoodmen.blogspot.com/2020/01/indian-model-in-us-sukhdeep-mann.html

Indian Model in the US: Sukhdeep Mann

 

One of the hottest Indian male models based in the US - shot by Rick Day - Sukhdeep Mann. The hottest Punjabi model we've seen in ages.

Also, we've heard no updates on this hottie in aaaaaaaaaaages. Any news? Is he still modeling?

Only hot Indian men at https://shirtlessbollywoodmen.blogspot.com/
 

 

 

 

Posted by Ash at 11:29 

At least he is called Indian, and not associated with sikhs or the Singh name. he can easily just pass off as some random indian except the name is punjabi, which of course someone intelligent enough might be able to link to sikhs.

1 hour ago, justasking said:

Only way for SIkhi to handle these ppl is that we have to shame them and we also have to call them non Sikhs for doing these things

one way is to release more singles like :

LAHU DI AWAAZ (Official Video) Simiran Kaur Dhadli | Nixon | Honey Virk | New Punjabi Songs 2021 - YouTube

it took me a while to find this video, when I type in the singers name Simiran Kaur Dhadli, her new songs come up but that one doesn't show. had to do some searching. People have already forgot about it!

On 8/31/2021 at 1:47 PM, shastarSingh said:

Almost all Sikhs know that nindiya is bad,very bad. But gurbani says that ustat is also bad.

Punjab is full of deraas. These dere vaalas do so much ustat of their "brahmgyani sant baba" that the people's head begins to bow for their sant baba.

Ustat is the main reason people get attached to deraas instead of Guru Sahib.

Sikhs shud be watchful against this ustat tactic of dere vaalas.

also watch out for groups of people which use the term gursikh for leaders and in a Sant equivalent.

Also Bhai Sahib is becoming more common, actually Dhadrianwaley used to be a Sant Baba and the changed his title to Bhai Ranjit Singh. I have no doubt there were bhai sahib leaders during Guru jis' times, but even this term is being abused probably for a century now.

Who knows, there's possibly other terms for various groups leaders and holy men as well.

referendum votes happening on Friday December 31st, from 5pm - 11pm in the UK.

4 hours ago, proactive said:

Watch the video of Bhai Baldeep Singh where he destroys these two mischief making kids who think only they have enough knowledge to dismiss the Sikh contribution to the Punjab gharana. I suggest you stop bigging up these two kids who look like to be following the path of the Niddar Na.ng. 

 

cool video and I need to spend sometime going listening through it.

I think it's our own sikhs such as the sikh panthic leaders who are dismissing the contributions of sikhs and the Gurus. At the moment, it's more common to see a keertani lugging around a heavy harmonium than carrying an instrument carried by warrior Singhs during war such as the dilruba, or the Rabab which Bhai Mardana ji carried around on his journeys with Baba Nanak.

At the moment, the evidence is, when I go to the gurdwara, whether in Punjab or uk, usually we will see sikhs playing keertan in harmonium, and sometimes not using any Raags either. Or they might be trying to play in "simple tunes" which is a word that seems to be a go to argument, I have heard keertan sung to Bindrakhiya tunes, and also the sikh equivalent to christian rock.

8 minutes ago, proactive said:

First you said this -;

And then  you wrote this-;

So from saying we have to rely on others and we are doing nothing to then saying we are not doing enough! You should own up to your ignorance. We don't need to be chasing dodgy so-called descendants of Bhai Mardana, we should be producing our own scholars of Kirtan which the institutes you alluded to are already doing. The £20K these Mardana Project guys managed to get donated to them will be used to confuse Sikhs and try and eradicate the Sikh contribution to Kirtan and project these dodgy Mirasasi as the true heirs of our traditions. 

at the moment, we are relying on other people becaue we are not trying enough. let's strive for change with chardi kala!

3 minutes ago, proactive said:

Here is someone who has SIKH SAROOP who has been preserving our musical heritage and who has taken back his support of the Mardana Project.

 

of course, but not enough Singhs are trying to do this. I have seen Raj Academy, Jawaadi Taksal, Baru Sahib and Singhs interviewed on Mardana Project. Even with all those organisations and groups, it's still a small minority inside the visible sikh panth.

1 minute ago, proactive said:

Is that all you got from my post?

What are your views on the true nature of these Mirasis who make money from Kirtan and yet do a kurli after they sing it? If you didn't know that already then you are ignorant and should not even be commenting of this issue, if you knew about it and yet are willing to gloss over this then that makes it even worse. 

I heard about the Mirasis that visited Harimandir Sahib, no idea about the ones who perform keertan in Pakistan. I am not willing to gloss over these facts. However I am also not willing to gloss over the facts that Singhs aren't trying much to preserve keertan maryada, whereas there are mirasis and naamdharis doing so...