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1) find out from shastar sellers if airports allow it to be taken in luggage, and if any declaration is required. 2) Should still be legal in Chandigarh 3) Doesn't make sense to ban sword in Harimandir Sahib or Akal Takht!

probably sgpc, I don't think taksal controls that gurdwara either

I think this is about the West Midlands victim?!

Takht Hajoor Sahib is definetly Puraatan, Patna Sahib probably too! Panjva takht is shianve karor Shiromani Budha Dal, so of course it is! Only SGPC and their associate jathebandis believes in Damdama Sahib as 5th takht and guess which maryada they have there? lol Yes I noticed Ramgharia gurdwaras usually invite Damdami Taksal for amrit sanchar. Even though their gurdwaras are getting big on celebrating "Maharaja" Jassa Singh Ramgharia birthdays every year, they don't seem to want to invite Singhs following Puraatan Khalsa fauj maryada. I just presumed because Nihang Singhs do programmes down East London they have a gurdwara or something setup there. I don't know any place that Nihang Singhs give khanda pahul in West London, closest I know is Nanaksar.

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Took it from Coventry, Guru Hargobind gurdwara run by Tarna Dal. At Anandpur Sahib you can take pahul with purataan maryada from Nihangs at gurdwara shadeedi bagh, otherwise at takht Keshgarh sahib it will just be sgpc maryada unfortunately! East London is another place to find amrit sanchars with puraatan maryada. There is even a Nihang gurdwara in Amritsar which does jhatka, as well as some Nihang chaunis. You will find other places in Panjab as well. Takht Hajoor Sahib, although not administered by Nihang Singhs directly and the mukhis/mahants are shastardhari, they follow a puraatan maryada and it is endorsed by dal panth anyway!

most Singhs will say follow your panj. However there is a loophole which was done once by Master Tara Singh and 4 other Singhs on another Singh who took pahul from AKJ early last century, I need to find it. The only issue is AKJ are also going to give you naam dhrir which teaches to do Waheguru simran in a way which is annoying to myself and other traditional sikhs, and makes for very controversial keertan videos on youtube tiktok! Why not practice rehit first and then take pahul from panj you are comfortable with? There is no point in taking pahul from a panj if you are already aware of them? That is why I waited as well as I do not follow sgpc!

Probably AKJ amrit sanchar. AKJ also have an extra ritual called naam dhrir, where Waheguru Naam is instilled by sewadaars into the ears of newly initiated, some even do a belly hug technique when doing this lol! Not a panthik ritual by any length, but if you see that it's a chance to run away and reject it lol! It is possible for akj to tell their rehit. I used to live near Coventry and over there the Singh Sabha gurdwara is not the main gurdwara unlike most town. Coventry Singh Sabha is mostly akj events including amrit sanchars! Anyway calling out akj can get the ire of the mods on this forum, as this forum seems to mostly be run by akj and they preferred views only inline with akj be discussed on this forum, even though it is called sikhsangat, just another warning lol!

I think some people start following Nihang rehat after taking pahul from SGPC gurdwara (such as most Singh Sabha gurdwaras) . SGPC rehat will never force you to be vegetarian, most groups consider sgpc rehat as Akal Takht maryada. You should check before entering amrit sanchar which rehat it is. If it is taksali or AKJ they normally have their brtands on the poster!

not a good idea to do a meat discussion on this forum. A decade ago it could get accounts banned, but nowadays the current mods are a bit more lenient but probably not a good idea to push it lol but regardless, if it is bani, post it and let's see. There was a thread about bani and someone posted a twisted meaning about meat or halal. lol the thread became hidden when I explained the bani!

Dal panth rehat is closest. sahibjada Baba Fateh Singh wore the neela bana and dumalla from his great grandfather Guru Hargobind ji, and Guru Gobind Singh adopted this into khalsa as well. The dal panth Nihang Singhs used to give pahul at all 4 takhts. When the khalsa jathas were combined into the 2 dals, at that time Budha Dal was responsible for giving pahul to the Singhs and behaved as the 5th chakarvarti takht which watched over as praband of the gurdwaras with the tradition being of the mukhi of budha Dal being mukhi/mahant of Akal Bunga/Akal Takht as well.

What happened, why did someone do suicide, were there mental health issues? hope you are doing better now! Well you can see he was already avoiding people by going to Malaysia, Canada, was it Thailand as well? Many personalities end up in Canada after committing paaps here in uk. Some of them run a site for children!!! Were there people supporting him on this actual forum??!

oh this was you. I remember when you came back to akhara after the incident. I tried to ask how you are, I have understood better now the state you were in. We kinda knew what happened but not in much detail back then.

Even from Nihang Singhs, we were allowed to wear kurta but I was the only one. I am pretty sure Pajama cannot be worn regardless of which rehit, because your kashera needs to be seen! Also remember to tie your pagh in a way that allows amrit to be administered to the top of your hair as well!

lol dal panth Panj told me explicitly not to associate with Vadhbhag Singh Sodhi followers!

Been so much nindya and attacking Shastarvidiya since the 2000s, however if we look at gatka now it's still mostly as poor and poorly taught as it was back then, still morris dancing moves and still behzti moves in BBC shows about sikhi and vaisakhi. If people were going to attack shastarvidiya, wouldn't have made sense to improve gatka instead and make it more effective? Additionally, the Nihang Singh presence has improved greatly now, and the cracks within the the SGPC and affiliated jatha jathebandis are showing more greatly as panth becomes more knowledgable with dasam bani and itihas day-by-day, so much gyaan which was lost within panjabi sikhs during colonial times. In the 2000s, the groups were able to talk down this bani and gyaan by associating it with RSS and hindus, brahminwaad etc. Not working so well now is it? However with gyaan it would be also good for us to try and preserve our martial arts and keertan vidiya as well! More and more crazy keertan videos are coming out from jatha members that are being made fun of and making sangat annoyed and upset, on tiktok and instagram reels.

It is true that there are 4 varnas. But I think the terms jaati castes can still be applied to other groups and tribes. IT is true, that being jatt isn't really following caste system as such, as that is more of the 4 varnas again!

I read in the past that gatka is derived from a performance art practiced by some Muslims called khutka, as opposed to being descended from sastarvidiya. Could this be a form of khutka? https://www.facebook.com/reel/426824127191317 https://www.facebook.com/share/r/18neut1wLW/

sirr should not be nanga because keski is usually worn.

how to get the physical copy in uk or Panjab?

I know a Rajput Uncle who is a councillor and he wears the regular panjabi pagh. I wouldn't know he is a rajput because coul easily fit into any panjabi sikh or jatt background. But I can tell from his surname. However when I look at proper Rajputs they were warriors and kings with those kind of paghs, similar to wearing dumallas or shahi turbans, some looked like Nihang Singhs! And Rajput background sikhs were involved in shastarvidiya training with Guru Hargobind and Guru Gobind Singh, as well as becoming their sikhs. A rajput background sikh has double responsibilities to maintain turban and also training shastar. I think a Nihang Singh type look is more suitable for a sikh from Rajput background than any patiala shahi or average panjabi pagh

"Preserve Shastar Vidiya any way you can."(Rattan Singh Bhangu, Siri Guru Panth Parkash, ed. Dr Balwant Singh Dhillon, 36)

what kinda pagh are you tying that is taking more than 5 minutes? Actually puraatan maryada is to sit cross legged and cover your feet, tying pagh sitting down. The standing up may hurt your head. Turban is not a hatm, many shaheediyaa have been given for the cost of this turban. MAryada is to tie fresh each time, and also twice a day. I kanga my kes twice a day and do keski twice a daym sometimes do my pagh or dumalla the 2nd time as well if I am going out. Just sit down, put a mirror in front and there should be not stress on your neck.

I was at the Slough Singh Sabha gurdwara last week. I think he was a teen, a tall young Singh got a deep gash wound on his arm from gatka, somewhere near his wrist. He was already on the floor when I entered through the langar hall, but I am sure he did it to himself not through a gatka "battle". I am unsure which shastar he used. I checked and the shastars seemed lightweight for the children. I picked up the khanda and it was light, not like a real khanda. I really want to emphasise that we should not be promoting twirly sword dancing as a "sikh martial art". This young Singh was hurting and gasping - why are we teaching twirling swords around in a way that may hurt oneself?? Promote shastarvidiya savai raksha and other martial arts which are about causing damage to the enemy. Why are we teaching this style of twirly gatka that's detrimental/harmful to ourselves and our allies? A twirly sword might hurt an ally in a battle, and doesn't allow allied warriors good movement around the sword twirler. This also reminds me during the summer, they were teaching some move to kids where you do some spins with the feet and then do a backwards bhangra type jump. I wasn't sure if this was a martial art or bhangra being taught?! Also at another gurdwara in another city/town in the midlands, the year before at a kids sikh club a guest gatka teacher was teaching basics to little kids by making then practice making infinity symbols with the gatka sticks!!! If we are showing off something ineffective and also harmful to the practitioner and allied warriors, then it's nothing to be proud off! If we are going to show our puraatan shastars off, we need to do it in a respectable manner not in this archaic colonial gatka era! The teaching is just as embarrassing as the last 2 decades and I don't understand why we want to promote it as a sikh martial art, to the sangat and to outsiders? the injuries are just not worth it for learning this modern gatka! "Preserve Shastar Vidiya any way you can."(Rattan Singh Bhangu, Siri Guru Panth Parkash, ed. Dr Balwant Singh Dhillon, 36)

and the gatka akharas haven't improved. I saw stuff on BBC and it was embarrassing. Still teaching bhangra moves, morris dancing and I came across an infinity symbol stick move taught as a beginner move??!!