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  1. On 2/27/2024 at 7:21 PM, Dsinghd said:

    Is it the end of SGPC? I mean there’s one in Punjab, one in Haryana and Delhi. 
    Recently Hazur Sahib removed 2 members of it.

    It was a British creation in the 1920s.

    no, SGPC is in Panjab. In Pakistan, Haryana and Delhi they have their own committees, not sgpc. But generally, SGPC still controls the rehit maryada of Singh sabha related gurdwaras all over the world.

    18 hours ago, ChardikalaUK said:

    They could offer both floor and table seating. With today's western lifestyle people are less flexible and may find it hard to eat on the floor. 

    Say what you will about the fixo and trim Singhs, there are still far more turbaned Sikhs in a Ramgarhia Gurdwara sangat than a Singh Sabha one. 

    The majority of Ramgarhias came from Africa, I'm one of the few whose parents both came from India. The Africa influence is big amongst them, even their offspring. I've seen several wear Kenya wristbands, something I find very strange as they were pretty much kicked out of there. They also like to go on about Makindu Gurdwara like it is equivalent to Harmandir Sahib and Anandpur Sahib! If I was ever kicked out of the UK you wouldn't see me wearing the Union Jack. 

    Anyway the majority of the youngsters in Slough are abandoning both Ramgarhia and Singh Sabha and are going to Guru Maneyo Granth instead. 

    That's the point, the influence is East African, so what is the Ramgharia label there for, if no one is going to try to be an actual Ramgharia misl Singh?

    Please explain the reason why so many East africa sikhs are attracted towards sikh groups such as PKMC (the jathebandi of Guru Maneyo Granth gurdwara), Naamdharis and their own home grown Nishkam Sewak jatha, as well some other Sants and groups?

    I do feel Guru Maneyo Granth gurdwara sikhs are chardi kala, and spread a lot sikhi knowledge, promote simran,  do a lot of positive stuff for sikh children. I can understand why Singh Sabha Slough youth are attracted to GMG because PKMC seems an offshoot of the AKJ style sikhi many of their families follow.  However some things worry me, like the cult following of Bhai Ajit Singh, which I guess is like following a Sant but something is nagging me. Also the type of simran he makes the sangat do on Sundays, it's not the right kind of sehaj awastha and seems full of krodh, I get a krodhi vibe from him as well and he seems to mispronounce bani often as I have seen him do on some Youtube videos from Singh Sabha Southall, and that is a red flag!!!  One good thing is they do promote bana, even though they don't understand the maryada of not wearing a pajama with your bana =D

    Also when I used to work on Bath Road Slough, I used to visit Guru Maneyo Granth gurdwara and there was someone doing simran usually. However they were pronouncing Waheguru in a weird way, and I just want to pronounce Waheguru normally such as the pronunciation in Bhai Gurdas ji Vaaran . Another positive, I stayed for Sodar Rehras once and granthi read full kabyo baach benti Chaupai. No idea if this is regular, but I hope so. I have been to Singh Sabha and Ramgharia gurdwaras, and they just do the silly Chaupai Sahib kabyo baach benti cutoff during Rehras.

    12 hours ago, v.singh said:

    Technically the fixo singhs aren’t doing a bajar kurehth, and some have a very high avastha, especially from the older generation 

    no, fixo isn't bajjar kurahit, but it is against puraatan maryada and wouldn't be allowed in Ramgharia misl. Their "high" awastha is still not at the level of an asli Ramgharia Singh, and therein lies the problem with using the label across gurdwaras in the uk (Is this Ramgharia gurdwara label use outside uk anywhere as well?). Basically, what I am saying is to the sangat is "you talk the talk, now walk the walk"

    The worst thing that comes out of this is, tk sikhs or east africa sikhs who call themselves Ramgharia with a trim beard or haircut. I know a haircut sikh from East Africa background, I think his grandpa was a rich sikh (unsure if he was a Singh) in Kenya, who owned a steelworks. And the grandson said he himself is Ramgharia. Is said no you're not, Ramgharia is a label for misl Singhs who keep their kesh and wear bana. He goes Ramgharia gurdwara every sunday, but I don't think this makes him a misl member lol. Worse, some years ago, this person also told me I should trim my beard to look more presentable, we can't have people like this call themselves Ramgharia? I think it also gave me an insight into where the trim Singh mentality comes from. I think there's a mentality of choosing presentability over sikhi - to fixo or trim the bread and wear a turban like a hat, to please the gora. Most of our ancestors are guilty of trying to please the gora, no matter if we stayed in Panjab, or migrated to Africa or uk.

    Another incident, when I was younger and trying to learn turban, a tk Uncle close to my family (I don't think he was/is East Africa sikh, but many tk sikh families in uk are influenced by east africa sikhs) gave me a starched ready made turban. So this is another issue that is against maryada, to make your turban ready made and wear it like a hat. We do have this problem in Panjab as well, but it's not visible like it is in East Africa sikhs, and perhaps Afghan sikhs are guilty of this too?

  2. In the uk we have Ramgharia gurdwaras, in some places ther are called Ramgharia sabha!

    However, I think most gurdwaras and even sikhs calling themselves "Ramgharia" are scamming us as they have weak or no connections to Ramgharia misl, and are just using the fact that they are tarkhans they can use the Ramgharia term because Jassa Singh Ramgharia was from tarkhan background. Please prove me wrong!


    Also, I have been observing gurdwaras since I was young. I remember when I was a child in the 80s and 90s, Singh Sabha gurdwaras still allowed shoes and langar was eaten on tables, in the times when the adults used to work all the time, doing double shifts etc. However in the 2000s we can see a change in Singh Sabha gurdwaras as well as some other gurdwaras, where shoes are no longer allowed, and we have a lot of space to sit on the floor and do pangat in langar. 

    It's really strange to see so many tables in gurdwaras after seeing langar done exclusivily on the floor gurdwaras in Panjab and India. Just look at Harimandir Sahib, 4 takht, and many other gurdwaras back home.

    Now, across London, Slough and Berkshire, midlands, I have noticed Ramgharia gurdwaras allow shoes into langar and have little or no accommodation for sitting on the floor. It is bizarre to see in Ramgharia gurdwaras, the sangat coming from doing sangat or matha tek in divan hall, and then putting on their shoes to go to langar. Like we are going to a restaurant or something! What is this, is it some kind of kenya/east africa sikh colonial army era tradition to keep doing this, even after the other gurdwaras have moved back to giving satkar and respect for langar maryada?

    Then we come to the scam, in the Ramgharia gurdwaras, there seems to be more links to East Africa sikhs than Ramgharia misl. There are more trim Singhs with Kenya paghs on Ramgharia gurdwara committees compared to more sabat surat Singhs on Singh sabha committees, from my observations in these England regions. You will find more kenya pagh and trim or fixo darhi, than bana walay Singh in these gurdwaras, again the Ramgharia label is scamming us, as Ramgharia is used for sabat soorat Singhs from the misl, especially those tuned to bana (and open beard is part of bana). Also, I have listened to Rehraas Sahib in some Ramgharia gurdwaras, and they read the disfigured bhasauria SGPC style of Chaupai Sahib (such as the way performed at Harimandir Sahib the past 100 years), skipping arril and the last lines of kabyo baach benti, which makes them more like a Singh Sabha gurdwara and far removed from being Ramgharia due to having similar disrespect towarda bani as Singh sabha gurdwaras, as Ramgharia misl would respect dasam bani and read the full kabyo baach benti.

    So the langar thing is bizarre, and now I think of it it's disrespectful. And the use of Ramgharia sikhs and Ramgharia gurdwaras term is a scam as they are anything but, as there is so much disrespect to be associated with the practices of Ramgharia misl! Even the fact they celebrate Maharaja Jassa Singh Ramgharia's birthday doesn't allow them any forgiveness or courtesy! This goes double for the Slough Ramgharia Singh Sabha, as they have a statue of Jassa Singh Ramgharia, and yet are their actions related to actual Ramgharia?

    Yeh, let's not fall for the scam! and sikhs that are sangat in those gurdwaras, really need to step up and get in those committees and change things for chardi kala! We need to see more chardikala Singhs running things, not trim Singhs and fixo Singhs!

  3. On 12/6/2023 at 8:22 AM, Singh1989 said:

    4 days total. 

    First 3 days Akhand Paat for the auspicious occasion.  4th day Anand Karj followed by Kirtan, Katha and Guru ka Kangar. 

    In my attendance of 20+ weddings I have only seen ONE such wedding. Zero party... party brings meat, alcohol and bhangra / music.

    we shouldn't be worried about meat. I know this forum is allergic to meat discussions, but meat is hardly an issue for a sikh to be worried about! If you want we can discuss privately.

    Bhangra is dreadful these days. However music if required for keertan, so without bhangra music is actually good, if we do music with gurbani or something helpful and chardi kala! However it is unfortunate I am seeing modern keertanis bring keertan down to the level of bhangra from the past few decades!

  4. I think chadar dalni was/is a simple Anand Karaj, maybe still practiced by Nihang Singhs. It was something Maharaja Ranjit Singh practiced as well, but I think this is mostly for marrying widows!

  5. On 10/14/2023 at 6:14 PM, Arsh1469 said:

    1991 edict essentially saying the same. Kharkus made Amritsar to Phagwara meatless, alcohol-less, drug-less etc. People who violated the edict risked their life. 





    would hate for Nihang Singhs have grown this time due to them practicing jhatka maryada and shikaar? In my family pends around Jalandhar Kartarpur, there was much negativity towards Nihang Singhs

  6. @Sukhsingh96 You want to marry someone without exes, and I mean no ex boyfriend and no ex husband. So looking for a virgin is not enough. Otherwise your life will become damaged after marriage, if you pick an ex who claims to be a virgin! You need to look for early 20s. You need someone who is looking for a husband as opposed to a boyfriend, a woman with standards! A woman making boyfriends is not serious enough for marriage, and has low standards!

    You need to make the woman you are marrying understand that she will be treated as a wife, not a girlfriend. She needs to understand that if her standard is to only look for a boyfriend, then she is just not serious enough for you, as she is not serious enough for marriage. In sikhi, women are treated equally, and in 52 hukamnamas of Guru Gobind Singh, Anand ceremony is required to start grihast jeevan. 

    Non-marital partners are acceptable in abrahamic traditions/religions such as concubines and slave girls; girlfriend is a modern type of non-marital partner, and in sikhi we do not bring women down to that level!

    Also when did you start looking for a wife? We are having so many issues because we start looking for partners so late!

    Which subreddit did you post this to? I can speak to the admin if you posted it to r/Sikh !

  7. On 9/24/2023 at 12:49 PM, ChardikalaUK said:

    Apne were getting married at stupidly young ages in the past. 

    My great grandmother had my grandfather when she was just 13. 

    There was a time when the life expectancy in India was just 40.

    Thankfully this is no longer that common but I've read in very backwards parts of Punjab it still occurs. 

    No excuses for it in today's age. And even when it did happen in the past it was between two similar aged people, not a 65 year old an a 9 year old. 

    no excuses, but these days people are getting married at stupidly older ages.

    And a lot of teens, 20s and students have no control of their vikaar panj chor, and they end up in these stupid trash girlfriend boyfriend partnerships instead of anand karaj or marriage! They are really stupid in not getting married. Some people NEED to be married in their teens or by the time they reach 20! Although even 20 is too old for many people, they already have baggage by then, and some also have out of wedlock kids and abortions!

    The biggest hypocrisy I used to see growing up was teens saying they are too young to get married, yet they used to make partners anyway through "dating" bakwass trash garbage! We need to change our mentality, and youngsters need to be explained to seriously that they should only be looking for marital partners, and not down this spiral!

    this stuff is happening more and more because of looking for partners so LATE: 

    Remember, at Guru jis' times the parents used to even start looking for future partners in the childrens' pre-teens, and this includes Guru jis. There is no excuses in starting to look for your childrens' partners in their 20s only! We are so ill-prepared, and so mentally ill-equipped.

    Late marriages are also causing more sikhs to cut hair kesh and beard, and drinking and drug issues as well as smoking and hookah etc. There is less focus on grihast jeevan and more focus on depression, desires and pleasure.

    We are also having less children, and too big age gaps between generations. Our Singh families should be having more children, and less gaps between ages. Need more Singhs to protect families and the panth, too many attackers on every side!

  8. On 9/28/2023 at 1:14 PM, Ranjeet01 said:

    I do sometimes think that the function of a gurdwara has expanded to things that were not expected before.

    We expect them to be political institutions, we want them to be social clubs, we want them to be creches, we want them to be daycare centres. 

    I feel gurdwaras are maybe somewhat getting back to their functions as dharmsalas containing schools and learning centres. With panjabi schools, gurmat classes, santhiya, martial arts, keertan training, with sikhi camps occasionally in towns, there is somewhat some functions connected to traditional gurdwaras of the past.

  9. On 9/22/2023 at 8:05 PM, ChardikalaUK said:

    The suls have written 'Islam will rule' in large graffiti on a railway bridge right next to Ramgarhia Gurdwara, obviously as an act of provocation and the damn committee have done nothing about it, it's been up there for quite a while. I guess we are a cowardly community now. Lots of infighting but haven't got the bottle to paint over this graffiti. The sign for the same Gurdwara on the main Stoke Poges Lane road has also been deliberately changed to point in the wrong direcrion, no doubt the work of suls again. I remember back in the 90s apne threw a pig's head in a mosque as retaliation for them burning the Nishan Sahib, where has that fighting spirit gone? 

    These damn committee members were smashing each others cars a few years ago over elections so they have thugs in their midsts, so why can't these thugs do anything about this graffiti? 

    Any suggestions on what could be done? 

    there's too many Kenya Singhs in those kinda gurdwaras, really chummy chummy with the goras and politicians, fixo the beards to the max and younger generations just trimming it instead of getting into the fixo malarkey, lack of open beards and turbans you can take off like hats, don't make for intimidating or annakhi singhs. I heard that pakistanis try to pickup girls from the Slough Ramgharia gurdwara.  They need to join with the other 2 gurdwaras in Slough to help them out, they can't act like the elders did where they split from the Singh Sabha gurdwara because they were too aggressive, now is the time to use that aggression.  And the Guru Maneyo Granth gurdwara Bath Road gets nationwide sangat on Sundays, so just use those numbers in Slough!

    On 9/22/2023 at 8:38 PM, Ranjeet01 said:

    That does seem to be a thing in more isolated areas.

    But I like those kind of gurdwareh. 

    in these gurdwaras, gyanis and sewadaars are known by the regular sangat, and regular sangat is close knit. Activities and panjabi schools are also good as most of the same children come. 

    In both areas, I don't like the lack of cooperation between Ramgharia and Singh Sabha gurdwaras. Overall it's a benefit to have gurdwaras in at least 2 different locations in big towns and cities. But it's bad if they don't cooperate, especially in major issues that Khalsa is known for. Ramgharia gurdwaras like to rep up Maharaja Jassa Singh Ramgharia, with the Slough gurdwara even having a statue. But the lack of keeping Khalsa rehit, looking too scared and cowardly to keep full beards or open beards, not acknowledging the Khalsa Nihang Singh mentality of Jassa Singh and being stuck in the kenya Singh mentality, not even willing to read Chaupai Sahib properly during Rehras, and many of these Ramgharia gurdwaras are not even willing to keep basic rehit of allowing sitting on the floor for langar and allowing shoes inside as well, all these behaviours aren't working for chardi kala of the panth!

    It's like they are trying to keep their own type of sikhi, it's not even a tradition, just being stuck in their own box, they are not in the colonial British army, or serving in the world wars, or making train tracks or some other jobs for the gora, why do they behave this way, this archaic stuff in gurdwara? And doesn't do justice to Jassa Singh Ramgharia, who would have been a rehitee Nihang Singh, annakhi Singhs who defeated the enemies and kept in the brotherhood of the Khalsa with the other misls, even after their whole misl was excommunicated expelled from the panth, they still rejoined the Khalsa and helped defeat the enemies! I don't see them trying to integrate with the rest of the panth in the ramgharia gurdwaras, not like Jassa Singh, obviously it's the elders who instil these mentalities, with some of the youngsters trying to connect back into sikhi!

  10. On 8/26/2023 at 1:03 AM, BhForce said:

    Why are bringing that stuff up, bro? But since you did, could you state why Baba Santa Singh decided to lower himself by bowing to an occupation force?

    I mean if Nadar Shah had taken possession of Akal Takhat would the Singhs have lowered themselves before him just because he had physical possession of the Akal Takhat?

    So, again, why did Santa Singh do it?

    it's called formality. I think I read that baba ji did this so they could continue doing sewa.


    I think even Maharaja Ranjeet Singh went peshi to Akali Phoola Singh as a formality to look good in front of the people. Regardless, Phoola Singh Akali was much more rehitvaan than any current "jathedaars"

  11. On 9/21/2023 at 3:18 PM, ChardikalaUK said:

    I'm very worried about my 3 year old son.

    I live in Langley, Slough a nice place generally. In the last 5 years more suls have moved into the area. They are pumping out their usual 3-4 kids and due to that we may not fall into the catchment area for one of the best primary schools in the area. The school have literally told us that higher birth rates is the reason. 10 years ago there was no issue. 

    But then I'm thinking I don't want my son going to such a school if that's what the demographics are going to be, I don't want him to experience the sul menace I did.

    The school will likely drop in standards as well with more of them. 

    Each time I take him to the local park it's mostly full of sullees with their hordes of kids. I have no idea how they afford to live in this area with one person's salary and that many kids. Every house being sold here is usually to them or South Indian IT workers (who I don't mind). I think most apne my age have left or are leaving the area, it's just their parents left. Slough High Street is a dump full of halal eateries. 

    There are some very good grammar schools here, that is the only thing that might keep me here and my widowed father lives very close. 

    These guys just follow us everywhere and we're always running away from them.

    What to do? Sell up? I'm thinking maybe go towards Osterley/Isleworth where we outnumber them. 


    why not send them to khalsa school? Also are they going to panjabi school on Sundays?

    Osterley has a really good school for sikhs called Nishkam school!

    On 9/21/2023 at 4:08 PM, Ranjeet01 said:

    Have a contingency plan and put a strategy in place with what you have said  in mind.

    Maybe look to put your kid into a primary school maybe in an area outside of your local area as an option.

    The Slough Sikh Community is moving into South Bucks area. Like we mentioned before, there is a typically a 30 year cycle where a Sikh stronghold starts to change.

    The Grammar School system  in Slough has become increasingly competitive and like you mentioned with those South Indian IT types in Langley will begin to hog up those grammar school places.

    I have moved just outside of North Bucks in Northamptonshire. They have even taken over the commercial restaurants all the way up here, 2 halal Taco Bells, halal KFC, and their regular nationwide stuff like Tim Hortons, Popeyes, Pizza Express etc who knows what else! But there's a sikh stronghold nearby in Coventry, so many gurdwaras there, at least 6-8 gurdwaras. there are Only 3 gurdwaras to cover all of Northamptonshire county, and 2 are in the main town!


    Also Milton Keynes city in North Bucks only seems to have 2 gurdwaras. The Ramgharia gurdwara has regular sangat, but the other gurdwara run by MK sikh society, seems to mainly only have Sunday Sangat, which is a trend in isolated areas, it's the same for Northamptonshire gurdwaras unless there's a special programme, event, gurpurb etc.

  12. On 9/1/2023 at 12:46 PM, kahnaakrishan said:

    Fateh ji, im a Singh From the uk. one of my gurbhais has consumed khulla maas. for context we took amrit from buddha dal in the uk last year and have issued akali nihang  licesences. I knew his rehit was slacking and he told me he was going to take chulla amrit to strenghthen his bond with maharaj. recently he reached out to me and said that he went too a resturant with his family and they peer pressured him into eating maas. he also googled if the maas was halal and it said it was not. A few days later he sent me a messege after doing further research and providing the method of slaughter used the animal. he doesnt know if what he did was kurehit but he is very ashamed of peshi . what should i advise him too do?

    he should get stronger in rehit and do bhog of everything he eats, especially maas. Isn't Buddha Dal rehit to do bhog of every food?

    please Read the history about when Guru Gobind Singh was dressed as uch ka pir, and his Singhs were dressed as mureed, and the sikhs came upon the situation where they were offer halal maas!

  13. On 8/14/2023 at 11:52 PM, BhForce said:

    Well, no, sis, I'm not talking about girls marrying Hindu men. That's prohibited by rehitnamas, SGPC SRM, and common sense.

    I'm talking only about Sikh men accepting Hindu wifes (as a 2nd wife).

    This could only work for strong Panthic Singhs who will make it clear the maryada to be followed. No idol worship.

    The first wife (born Sikh) will ensure Sikh maryada as well. And she has to be on board with the plan (to increase Sikh numbers).

    I agree that we need quantity.


    21 hours ago, Kau89r8 said:

     marry diff race. Expand beyond Panjabis.  Hindu marry Sardars in india and they doing karva chauth hindu rituals. i see all time on ig


    The Hajoor Sahib Singhs married were originally Nihang Singhs who married hindu women, and some hindu women still marry them. sikhi is strong amongst them and they don't cut their hair at all! They still have strong connections to the current Nihang Singhs.

    They follow a maryada where the hindu women MUST take some kind of amrit pahul, this is usually kripaan pahul (maybe similar to jhoola amrit as well?) They are not given khanda pahul, those women are not ready. However they are given a type of amrit so that husband can consume food and drink from the wife. Obviously, this means that the wife has been initiated as sikh.

    For a Singh to be able to share food with wife, the wife needs to have been initiated at least into sikh panth. 

    In puraatan times, Singhs were desired for marriage and alliances, so Shias also desired to marry their daughters to Singhs to build alliances. I have read in historical account that shia/muslim women were made to eat pork for 40 days (I think this was after marriage), I cannot remember if this is written in a rehitnama or just a historical account. For muslim men becoming Singhs, Nihang Singhs actually stirred in pigs' blood in khanda amrit pahul, just so that no spies pretended to take khanda pahul. This was at a time when the whole panth followed one panthic Budha Dal maryada! (please don't take this as a discussion about meat, just describing the steps sikhs used for hindu and muslim converts)

    In conclusion, the hindu woman must be initiated in some way, just like in Hajur Sahib even now!

  14. 20 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

    No it wasn't a norm, but there were sardars who had multiple wives, plus also it was a political practice where sardars would get extra wives to align themselves with other useful families, often to negate competition from them (that's what it looks like to me anyway). 


    I'm not on that birth rate thing -  I don't know how useful it is to have higher birth rates if we are giving birth to multiple fudhus. 


    19 hours ago, BhForce said:

    It's hard to tell exactly what percent of Singhs had more than one wife. But some did.

    Yet, if you think about it, it would seem difficult for a community to grow its numbers by some men marrying multiple women. I mean, if there are 100 men, and 50 of them take two wives, there are no women left for 50 men.

    One way around this might be to accept women from other communities (like Hindus). The incentive might be: we'll accept a marriage proposal without daaj (dowry). 

    The Hindu family gets to marry off their daughter without spending money while the Sikh numbers grow.

    it was more than acceptable for Singhs to have multiple wives, because Singhs are supposed to be kshatriya.  There were also other common practices such as marrying your brothers' widow, and widow remarriage, marrying rescued women that are not accepted back by their families.

    Fighting wars required multiple wives, many sons,uncles, male family members would get shaheed, such as Bhai Mani Singhs' sons from both his wives, and his uncles during Guru Hargobind ji.

    Add this to higher mortality rates, people died younger, just look at the ages most Guru jis lived to, women had difficult giving birth, there were risks to women dying during birth, higher infant mortality rates, children were at much greater risk from dying from a childhood illness.

    All these factors compounded with wars, it made a lot of sense to marry multiple women! And during 1947, 1984 and the dharmi faujis of the 1990s, its still made a lot of sense to have multiple wives, but only if your family was going to be armed and trained!

    Compare this to sikhs and amrit dharis who have multiple girlfriends and exes, and don't get married until into their late 20s and 30s, we are behaving in a really pathetic non-warrior non kshatriya way! If you're making the excuse of not getting married because you are studying, and then you make a girlfriend or multiples during that time anyway, THEN Singhs should just get married, and all the excuses for not getting married are lame and bringing down the whole panth. I seriously stand by that statement!!!


  15. On 10/2/2019 at 1:57 PM, dallysingh101 said:

    Funny how the site automon on a Sikh site considers translations of Guru ji's words as unacceptable. 

    Why don't we ban the use of the word ਮੂੜ in Gurbani too? 

    well this site is ok with a nitnem  bani from Charitropakhyan, Kabyo baach benti chaupai, being read in a broken and anti-dasam granth way. They even have group of sikhsthat reads the bani this anti-dasam way, on the top banner listed as "Sikh videos - Intermediate". Whereas a knowledgable sikh with santhiya like Bhai Jagraj Singh and his group Basics of Sikhi, is only listed as "Sikh videos - Beginner"

    This is absolutely poor having sikhs that do not have a panthic outlook, and  being shown above Basics of Sikhi on this forum, whereas a group like Nanak Naam group would be many times better than Gurmat Bibek group.

    The point is, if we keep letting sangat get away with reading Benti Chaupai in this anti-dasam way, (and it has been around 100 years these jathas and SGPC have been doing this anti-dasam bani activity), then what hope is there for Singhs to read the rest of Charitropakhyan and dasam bani!

    The fact is anti-dasam bani is being practiced in front of us, hidden in the open, at our gurdwaras and sgpc gutkas!


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