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    Thank you brother for replying, I was hoping you along with Khoon Ka Badla would reply. Rode - I have read the previous threads and I think it will always be a grey area, I beleive he started with the Panth's interests at heart, but he couldnt fill the massive boots of Sant Ji and perhaps he was always going to be judged on this basis. Zaffarwal - thanks for the info, it would be very interesting to know how the involvement of the ISI actually worked during the Sangaarsh. So if you have details on this, please share. Baba Manochahal - 'accused of making his own fiefdom in Tarntaran by the other leaders' - whats a fiefdom? Also do you know which leaders? Bittu - I agree the boycott of the elections is a massive reason why things are the way they are now. Do you know much about the rumours about him having Labh Singh and Budhsinghwala killed? Manjit Singh I beleve sold out for a hotel in a ludhiana and a car, which even suprised the GOI has they sent a delegation with unlimited funds to buy him thinking he would be a hard nut to crack judging by who his brother was, however he sold out at the first offer. Gill - I agree 100%/ You mention vadala, do you mean Gurnam Singh Bandala aka neela tara? We were talking about Virsa Singh Valtoha of the Akali Dal. Also any information on what happened to Santokh Kala? also another guy called Balwinder Singh, cant remeber the last name but he was part of the BTFK but then him and Baba Manochahal had major beef?
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    All this arguing is giving our Dushman what they want... Taksal to be brought down, and for Dhadriawale and his prachaar to come to a halt. Look at the bigger picture and ground level of Punjab where there are more moneh that Pagg wale, nasheh, sharab, free se.x, pakhandis babas etc... Taksal is not what it was pre 84, which in itself hurts. Dhumma group did well making the Shaheedi Yaadgar while Dhadriawale has absolutely smashed it in terms of bringing Sikhi back to the Punjab masses. Nowadays mainly bright blue gatreh are visible in Punjab, which I beleive are associated with Parmeshar Diwar. Taksal has done well implementing maryada etc, particularly in Dehli after the gandh that RSS agent Sarna brought to the scene. I agree with JS79 the killing of Bhupinder Singh was messed up, forget for a second on a religous level, even on a humane level it was wrong and sad on his young children. Also the Singhs used for this hit, seem like josh wale anakhi Singhs, surely they could have done the damage on someone like Sirsa, Pianara etc. Taksal is in danger of becoming disgraced just like Nihangs have now become, and this is a very clever ploy of the GOI as they know Taksal was and has been the forefront of Sikhs. Making Dhadriawale badhnaam, once again another very clever ploy as he openly cusses all pakhandi babeh, has a massive following and is actually doing decent Sikhi prachaar. We all need to look at the bigger picture as opposed to getting worked up our jathebandiyah etc. Your average joe will see the killing of Bhupinder Singh has Singh on Singh violence, and then ridicule Sikhs as a whole, similar to the beheading done by the Nihang Singh recently. Going back to Taksal, while I acknowledge that Dhumma group are at Mehta, who is even the real Taksal now? Ajnala? I rate him for being at situations of beadbi etc, but seems very self centred and thinks he above most others. Banging on about Sant Ji being in chardi kala doesnt help either. Ram Singh? Seem like a low key group with minimal impact on ground level and I personally have never heard of them doing anything constructive apart from coming to the UK and teaming up with the AKJ. Or what about the self proclaimed 'Dharam Yudh Morcha' Group from Tividale UK? Who firstly are sat in the UK, in their luxury homes in their elderly age claiming to be leading a 'Dharam Yudh Morcha'? They live in Birmingham, UK, hotspot of grooming paks, surely dealing with that should be their ground level seva as it on their doorstep if they claim to be doing a 'Dharam Yudh'? But nope these are another group just making stupid videos cussing everyone, particularly Dhadriawale what appears to be out of pure jealousy. The 'Jathedar' of this group is dubious, the mouth peices aka Jago are even more dubious and overall they are contributing to blemishing the name of the Taksal. Forgive me for anything wrong I have said, but this how it all appears to be on the ground level as opposed to sitting behind a PC with rose tinted glasses on.
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    Prokharkoo84 replied to a topic in WHAT'S HAPPENING?

    You need a thappar for coming on here and cussing some bechara who is obviously upset and seeking advice. Once again embarassing yourself Mr Big Tedh.
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    I agree to an extent bro, the aftermatch of the Sangaarsh is evident... lack of leadership, drugs, lack of kesh, fighting between jathas, maryada issues, increase in pakhandi babeh etc. From what I know, its appears that all the Sangaarsh did was delay the inevitable anyway, if you look at the timeline, while the Sangaarsh was going on, the amount of guys who did kesh kattal in UK, Canada etc was massive. Sharab has always been an issue in our community, while the modernisation of 'Sikhs' is in line with the rest of the world. The beef between Sikh jathebandis once again is nothing new, although we as a Kaum do appear to be divided more than ever, particularly as our top institutions such as Taksal and Nihangs seem to have lost their way from previous years (not a cuss, just an observation - correct me if I am wrong). Only Guru Ji knows when we as a Kaum will unite...
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    Very good post bro but in regards to losing, I get your side but ultimately we won... Prior to 84 and post 84 look at the shift in change of people who came in touch with Sikhi again, the spirit of the Khalistanis gave the Sikhs their Anakh back and ultimately bro, people like myself and many more most likely wouldn't have an interest in Sikhi if it wasnt due to the Baba Deep Singh, Sukha Singhs and Mehtab Singhs of the 80s and 90s
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    I wouldnt ever disrespect any of the Kharkoos, no matter what their personal lifestyle was like. None of us are angels and its easy to pick faults in the lads who gave everything, particularly 20 odd years later. I agree that ego would have been an issue, its like putting 5 lads together now and there is also gona be confilict, regardless of how spirtual each claims to be. It is funny you say something seems off with Valtoha, I get that impression aswell but still gotta rate the dude in his hey day. Bro do you know much about Harjinder Singh Para's shaheedi? Regarding Virsa Singh Valtoha, he mentions in his interview on YouTube about how many cases he was implicated in along with how dangerous the Sarkar considered him to be. If he wasnt locked up during the Sangaarsh he would probs have been killed. He seems to get slated a lot cause of his link with Badal, but other such as Manjit Singh (Shaheed Bhai Amrik Singhs bro) doesnt get much flack. Para - story i have heard is he was in hospital after getting injured, and here when the CRPF were coming to get him, he took cyanide. The Canadian lot were top lads, gotta rate them bigtime leaving Canada and going Punjab. Do you know anything about the Kabaddi guy Bagri who went with them? He is the big Singh in a white vest in the video of the Singhs training in Pakistan. Mann - wow thats something I have never heard before! I always thought he join the Sangaarsh as a politician quite a while after Bluestar 84, I didnt know he was linked to Sant Ji etc. Parmar - I always rated him personally, but from what I have heard and been told is that he was very set in his ways and was very hot headed, to the point where he was shouting out at a Gurdwara in Canada that he was going to stand on the run way with a rocket launcher and take an Air India flight out. I have heard people accuse him of being an agent... but why was this? He was linked with Lakhbir Singh Rode?
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    I wouldnt ever disrespect any of the Kharkoos, no matter what their personal lifestyle was like. None of us are angels and its easy to pick faults in the lads who gave everything, particularly 20 odd years later. I agree that ego would have been an issue, its like putting 5 lads together now and there is also gona be confilict, regardless of how spirtual each claims to be. It is funny you say something seems off with Valtoha, I get that impression aswell but still gotta rate the dude in his hey day. Bro do you know much about Harjinder Singh Para's shaheedi?
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    Valtoha - i was watching an interview of his on Youtube, whilst yeah could say he sold out, he still semms to have that pyar for Sant Ji. He is another one that its easy for us to cuss sat in our homes in the UK Canada etc, but he did a lot in his jawani aswell.
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    Regarding Sukhdev Singh Babbar, I agree it was part of the disguise as he kept operations moving from within Punjab until 92, which in itself was hard. I believe he married one of the Nabey waliyah bibiyah during this time, which tbh I dont know the full story about so hard to judge. Either way, once again his Kurbani is massive too. Do you know why or what differences he had with Talwinder Singh Babbar? I have even heard that Talwinder Singh was not part of the AKJ? Bittu - I agree to hard to make a call, he was the brains behind a lot of moves and I am sure he wasnt a tout. But under the pressure these lot were under, combined with their young age and influence of people of Dr Sohan Sio, mistakes could have easily been made. Vaincheree - I had a feeling he probably got away with it, doubt there was anyone left to get a badla on him. There are a lot of people in Sikhi saroop in Punjab even today with the blood of a lot of Singhs on their hands. My pind taxi driver always says - you either lost everything during the Sangaarsh or you made it all (referring to the touts). Gurdeep Singh Deepa Heran - Highly rated by the majority like you said bro, I was making reference to things like him being popular with the ladies. Like I said earlier, not all Kharkoos were Gursikh, the guy was a young man who gave his all to a cause. Regardless of whether this was true about the girlfriends or not, the guy was a proper soldier and gave everything. I beleive he was killed a few days prior to leaving for Canada? Quote of the day - Baba Manochahal was THE ultimate Singh - 10000%!!!
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    Longowal was killed for selling himself to Rajiv Gandhi. He turned his back on the Anandpur Resolution and made a deal with Gandhi. Longowal was a traitor to the quom and was killed by Sikh youth, not extremists. How would you feel if your Thiyah or Chacha promised you the world whilst your Dad was alive, and when your Dad left this earth sold out on you and your family? Dont think you would be happy.
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    Thanks to all replies, especially the ones that are relevant to this topic, whilst others which are not beneficial such as Ajeet Singh's, can you please stop as your input is not needed in this topic. Regarding the Samaaj Sudhar lehar, I agree this caused a detriment to the Sangaarsh. The common Punjabi who lived in Punjab during this period did not want this and it eventually contributed to the Singhs being turned away by the common folk. However, I do agree initiatives such as small bharats for weddings etc was good and would have helped a lot of people in Punjab today, particularly the poor. Regarding the sale of alcohol being targeted by Kharkoos, this is a grey area as whether people in this country like it or not, there were Kharkoos who were not Amritdhari and did drink etc. I know from a personal account that near Jalandhar area there were a group of Kharkoos who had taken over a Khoo. Here they used to session etc while the landowner was too scared to get rid of them. Eventually an Akali Dal MLA intervened and they left, however the same group were at a wedding where a lot of coppers were too and they all even drank together. I am not saying these were top Singhs, but they were still Kharkoos who fought which is a lot bigger than anyone in the disapora shouting slogans or wearing tshirts. A lot of Kharkoos did have girlfriends etc aswell, what people need to realise is, if the Sangaarsh started again now, the kind of people that would join would not just be Amritdharis of the highest jeevan and nor was this case pre and post 84. Deepa Heran despite what people say, in Doaba area his character is well known and he wasnt a Gursikh by any mean, but once again his Kurbani is MASSIVE and he did what most can only fantasize about. Any ideas what happened to Sukhvant Vaincheree afterwards? Rode - another massive grey area, adored by his click and hated badly by others. I do know he owns the building in Jalandhar that was used for the Awaz E Quom paper I believe, this property is now worth millions. Zaffarwal - people cuss him, but the guy was isolated and ended up in Switzerland, he ran out of options. But does anyone know what his issues with Baba Manochahal were? Bittu - I have heard the rumour he was responsible for the Shaheedi of Gurjant Singh Budhsinghwala too, as he set the meeting up in Model Town Ludhiana? Also I have heard he was responsible for General Labh Singh too? Either way, hes another one who has done a lot of jail and gave his jawani for the Sangaarsh. Does anyone know who was responsible for Sukhdev Singh Babbar's Shaheedi? Was it due Gurdeep Singh Sivia getting picked up? All these grey areas of the Sangaarsh need to be brought up, a lot of lessons to be learnt here and I personally rather have an educated and informed view of what happened rather than look back with rose tinted glasses.
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    I mean Paji that your posts are not answering the questions I am looking for. Re-read my opening post and if you can contribute to that then please do, if not then please start your own topic up. Fateh.
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    Bro no disrespect and whilst I respect your posts, its not the answers I am looking for or the discussion that I was looking at creating.
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    Cheers brother for replying, I was hoping you would provide an input as I can see from your previous posts you know the score regarding what was reality during the Sangaarsh as opposed to some of the fairy tale stories that are in circulation. I agree fully that actions by some kharkoos which was interpreted as 'taliban' style behaviour pushed a lot of common folk away, while as much as I rate Gurnek Singh Neka and co for popping Chamkila off, it did cause the Sangaarsh to be pushed back. Regarding Dhanna Singh, I think whilst it is easy for mans like me to sit in my own luxury Khalistan aka the UK and diss him, his kurbani is still massive considering he did what he did in his youth which is more than what most 'Khalistanis' particularly in the disapora have achieved. In regards to my opening post, can you shed light on the roles of individuals such as Zaffarwal, Rode, Bittu and Mann to who their seems to be a lot of clouds over? Personally I still rate all those mentioned apart from Rode (to all readers - do not turn this into an argument). Also brother, any information on those who switched sides and had top Singhs such as Baba Manochahal, Gurjant Singh Budhsinghwala, General Labh Singh etc killed? Thanks in advance brother.
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    Any war is going to have casualties on both side. The Hindus you mention, maybe some of them needed to be eliminated? Just like the Sikhs were in the eyes of the GOI? Its a 2 way thing but people quick to point out murdered hindus, what about the innocent Sikh Sangat that was at the Darbar Sahib during Bluestar? Or what about the innocent college/pind dhe mundeh that were picked up and killed for no reason?
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    This is good but has now become more of a fun day out in the sunshine. From the stories I have heard about the first rally in 1984, when there was lot of anger compared to now is a lot of difference. Another issue, this even is now more about UK based politicians than the actual sangaarsh on the main stage, while none of the resolutions passed here make any difference in Punjab. Dont get me wrong, the remembrance is good and needs to continue, just needs to be a lot more applicable to ground level Punjab.
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    Thanks for replying brother. I have read this book and it is very good. Do you know much about Dhanna Singh from Panthic Commitee and why he left after Sarbat Khalsa and what his role was when he got to the USA?
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    Thanks for replying brother. I have read this book and it is very good. Do you know much about Dhanna Singh from Panthic Commitee and why he left after Sarbat Khalsa and what his role was when he got to the USA?
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    WJKK WJKF! This topic I am starting is not to do nindiyah, to fight with anyone or cause anyone disrespect. I am starting this purely due to my personal interest in the Khalistan Movement. Our Shaheeds who spilt blood will be forever remembered, while our brothers in jails and the familes who lost everything are in constantly in my thoughts. Nowadays the movement kind of gets glorified in the UK, I see a lot of people wear tshirts of certain Shaheed Singhs for fashion, image, repping a jathebandi or just to give it large. Whilst we are all aware of certain individuals who were the enemy e.g. indira, rajiv, beantah, gobind ram, gill and co, I would like to know more about those who were classed as our 'own' and sold the movement out. A LOT of lessons need to be learnt here, while I think this needs to be equally be exposed as much as the stories of our brave Shaheed brothers. Like I said before, this topic is not to cause inter-jatha beef, or for people to argue, lets have a discussion where anyone who has been mentioned as a sell out, can be justified for being one too. The kind of people I am interested in are the roles of Wassan Singh Zaffarwal (who I personally think made a massive kurbani prior to surrendering), Mokham Singh, Jasbir Singh Rode, the role of Simranjeet Singh Mann who I know Baba Manochahal was not a fan of, also I would like to more about any Singhs who sold out on their own jatha which resulted in them becoming shaheed, people such as 'Vanchiri' who had Baba Manochahal done, the guy who had Deepa Herawala done etc. Lastly, would be informative to hear views about the ISYF and the stories of them being corrupted and using funds for personal gain. All replies will be appreciated and I look forward to learning more and not arguing with anyone. This topic is for educational purposes only so that we can learn from the mistakes of our elders. A lot of these stories will soon never come to light due to people that know the truth getting older etc. P.S Apologies I know this topic has been touched on before and I have read majority of those before.
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    LOL dont use my own lines on me fat boy, anyone with a half brain can see you for what you are by reading your pathetic posts. The words sad, lonely, pathetic, social outcast and jaloos spring to mind.
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    The guys a clown, read all his posts, about eating beef, showing off about popping bare kids and generally the most baquas things iv ever read on this forum. The guy is a fat old man, living with his mummy and daddy, working a job where he is the smelly fat dude that noone likes, he has no friends and his cousins probably look at him as a freak. So instead of coming on a forum where he can better himself, he has made a jaloos as per usual and ended up getting galah off numerous people. Well done Big Tedh
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    LOL sad one is you fat boy who has to come on a Sikh forum to hype about getting yourself a mrs and popping kids out while eating goat curry LOL what a jaloos hahaha! Geeza if you knew me, I have done everything in life even your wildest dreams couldnt imagine so dont give me <banned word filter activated> saying im the sad one coming on a forum, while you have been a proper dungar filled with self pity for God knows how many years. enjoy your bakra, ask mummy to rub your tedhi for you afterwards LOL in a bit fat boy
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    LOL read your posts and thats what you sound like... fat boy LOL
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    You mean fatter LOL
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    LOL retards, says you fat boy... ask anyone to re-read your posts and see what a JOKE you are.
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