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10 hours ago, jkvlondon said:
sikhi allows others to do as they want because appe beej app hi khao ... gurbani describes manmati people as lost , deluded ...if people understood life in all forms are maas including veg they wouldn't fight but realise what Guru ji gives us to do vichar on
quoting from article by Prahlad SIngh
About Bhai Gurdas Ji: Bhai Gurdas Ji is recognized not only as first great Sikh scholar and interpretter of Gurubani of Guru Granth Sahib ji, but he was also a brahamgiani. He was honoured by physical and spiritual closeness of four embodiments of Guru Nanak (From Guru Amardas Ji to Guru Hargobind Singh Ji). He remained in personal service ("Hazoori Sewa") of GuruJi,s for good length of time. He also used to do "Katha" (interpretations) of Gurubani for sangat in the very presence of Guru Ji, in his darbar. He was a great scholar not only of Gurmukhi, but also of Hindi, Sanskrit and Brij languages.
> He had the previledge of compiling very first "swaroop" of Guru Granth Sahib Ji under direct supervision and editorial guidance of Guru Arjun Dev Ji both at physical and spiritual levels.
His own writtings are as "Vaars" in punjabi and "Kabit's" and "Swaiya,s" in Brij language. How much he understood the Sikh religion and Guruji's -- is evident from the fact that GURU ARJUN DEV JI SAID IF GURUBANI IN GRANTH SAHIB JI IS LOCK, BHAI GURDAS JI'S WRITTINGS ARE KEY TO IT. Thus Guru ji himself directed sikhs to follow Bhai Gurdas ji's bani to understand Guru Granth Sahib ji in its true sense.
So since the time of Guruji,s physical embodiments, the Bani of Bhai Sahib Ji is being used by sikh scholars and saints to understand some of very high spiritual and critical issues pertaining to progress on Guru's path.
In this article Bhai Gurdas Ji's view on killing animals and eating their meat are given for the benefit of readers.
In one of his writtings, Bhai Gurdas ji wanted to compare the lowness of wickedness and immoral conduct of thankless person ("Akritghan"), and he searched for most low and hateful worldly thing for its use in comparision for his example. He thought about all the bad things in this world to choose the worst. He finally selected the "meat"! And to further intensify his expression he described it as of dog's meat and being cooked in alcohol (drink). This he found most suitable to compare wickedness and immoralness of thankless person. He says:
> "Mad wich ridha paye ke kute da maas, Nadari pave akritghan, hoi jai vinaas"
It is critical to understand that meat of dog cooked in alcohol is already rejectable and useless thing in bhai Sabib's view, but it still gets further deteriorated if it is seen by a thankless person. Such is the result of company of thankless person. And who is thankless? -- one who gets the gift of human body from God and then forgets him !! ... ..betrays his Guruji just for little easy life and some better worldly opportunities !!! --that is what Gurubani says.
While describing the fate of those who kill the poor creatures of God and eat them, Bhai Sahib uses instance of the goat who is caught by a lion and is moments away from being ripped into pieces and eaten. In goats words Bhai Sahib Ji explains:
> "Sheeh pajooti Bakkari, maradi hoie harh harh hassi, Ak Dhatura khadian kuh kuh khal ukhal vinassi, Maas Khan gal wad ke, haal tinada kaun hovassi. (Vaar 25-7)
Means the goat says, "I was eating Ak and Dhatura plants (weed plants found in India) for whole of my life, to which no body else liked to eat. And even then I am being brutally killed and my skin being ripped, WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THOSE WHO CUT MY THROAT AND EAT MY MEAT ??????
At some other place, Bhai Sabib talks about goat being cut by butcher to be eaten :
> "kuhe Kassai Bakkari, lai loon seekh mass proyia" Hass hass bole kuhidi, khade ak haal eh hoyia, Maas khan gal churi de, haal tinada kaun aloyia" (Vaar 37-21)
Means: Goat is being killed, cut into pieces and salt being spread on the pieces. While being killed goat says this all happened to me while I was just eating Ak plant (weed found in India's desert fields). In last line goat puts a question, WHAT WILL BE FATE OF THOSE IN COURT OF LORD WHO CUT MY THROAT WITH KNIFE AND EAT MY MEAT ??????
Bhai Gurdas Ji in Vaar 31 gives strong warning against eating meat. He said, due to some good doings in previous births, Pootna (a witch who tried to poison Krishna Ji) was forgiven. But don't take it as that act of poisoning others is acceptable. And due to some pious acts in previous births and grace of Lord, Sadhana the butcher was forgiven (there is mention about him in Gurubani too, later on he became bhagat). But it should not be interpretted as, that killing animals and eating their meat (word "Bhanga" here) is acceptable. Please read the following lines of Bhai Sahib Ji:
> "Jekar udhari pootna, Wihu pialan kam na changa, Je Kassai udharia, jeean ghai na khaiye Bhanga" (Vaar 31-5)
(I wish everyone could read this as in Gurmukhi)
So dear sikh brotheren, listen carefully to this warning of Bhai Gurdas ji, whose bani has been asked to be followed by our Guru ji as "key to Guru Granth Sahib Ji". Have a fear of account being taken in the court of Akal Purakh ("Dargah"). Remeber Guru Nanak Ji has clearly warned us:
"Guru Pir Hama Ta Bhare, ja Murdar Na Khai" page 141 in Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji. Means Guru or Peer only helps in the court of Akal Purakh if some one abstains from "Murdaar" means meat. Murdaar word has come from Murda which means dead one. Murdaar means flesh of dead ie meat.
With sincere regards and apologies for any hurt feelings of anyone.
- Prahlad Singh
From Sikh Times
1. Those that choose to dwell on the consumption of substances rather than focus their minds on remembering God have been derided by the Adi Granth ('consumed by the desire for substances'). This 'desire' can be either for a single substance or for a number of substances. It is worth noting that the Adi Granth mentions the desire for meat at the very end of a list of nine desires:
"The desires for gold, silver, women, fragrances,' ..'horses, beds, palaces, sweets, and meat."
- (Verse 43/1, p. 34) [Guru Nanak, Adi Granth, p. 15]
It is clear from Guru Nanak's verse (above) that he accords meat a status similar to gold, silver, women, fragrances, horses, beds, palaces, and sweets.
To forget God and remain obsessed with substances is 'desire.' For those that are immersed in the rememberance of God, no substance is 'desirous.' To obsess unduly on meat, i.e. only one of the nine desires acknowledged by the Adi Granth, is tantamount to ignoring the fundamental messages of the Adi Granth.
2. To attach undue importance to matters of eating and drinking rather than focusing on remembering God has been termed by our Gurus as harmful to the pursuit of a spiritual lifestyle. Furthermore, our Gurus have placed meat on par with other superior substances such as fruit, butter, jaggery, and refined flour.
"What good are fruits, butter, sweet jaggery, refined flour, and meat?"
- (Verse 44/2, p. 34) [Guru Nanak, Adi Granth, p. 142]
7 hours ago, jkvlondon said:you mean sissy boys like Bhai Fauja SIngh ji, Sant Jarnail SIngh ji, General Shahbeg SIngh ji, Bhai Amrik Singh ji? ...learn to stop and engage brain before spouting poison ... even those nikkian jinda of those two gursikh bacchian were veggie amritdharis who jumped in front of the tank with grenades , was it any less of a shaheedi because of their diet?
funny thing is sis, big tedh couldnt even meet me face to face when i travelled from cardiff to his home town, but yet he thinks by eating so much meat he is the next hari singh nalwa lol i think he is one of them sad fat mummy boy types who been abused by niddar sio from a young age lol
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13 hours ago, puzzled said:
bhai gurdas jis varan
The butcher slaughters the goat; salts the meat and strings it on a skewer.
While being killed the goat laughingly says: I have come to this condition for grazing only coarse leaves of arid wild plants.
What will be the plight of those who cutting the throat with a knife eat the flesh of animals?
The perverted taste of the tongue is harmful for the teeth and damages the mouth.
The one who eyes another’s wealth or body or slanders becomes a poisonous Amphisbaena.
This snake is controlled by the Guru's mantra but the Guru-less manmukh never listens to this glorious mantra.
The Manmukh blindly moves ahead, never realizing the approaching deep pit ahead!(note: Amphisbaena is a mythical serpent having a head at each end of its body.)
Vaar 37 Pauri 21
Lion catches a goat; As the goat is dying, it begins to laugh. In awe the lion asks, why are you laughing?
Humbly the goat says: Our sons are destroyed (castrated). We only eat wild plants and suffer being slayed & skinned alive.
Those who cut our throats and eat our flesh, what will be their plight?
Proud and arrogant their bodies are a waste; inedible and fruitless. All who come to the world will eventually die.Vaar 25 Pauri 17 Waheguru
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13 hours ago, puzzled said:
In this Dark Age of Kali Yuga, people have faces like dogs; they eat rotting carcasses for food.
They bark and speak, telling only lies; all thought of righteousness has left them.
that sums up the love child of ajit phoola - monato nang and his step dad big tedh perfectly
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14 hours ago, monatosingh said:
@Big_Tera Allow pro pakhandi, the guy is 100% aloo, man goes Sant Ji said to burn any amritdhari who eats meat.
If you knock him out I guarantee he will start to eat jhatka after that.
@Prokharkoo84 You aloo.
the same soorh eating nang who flaps it from suleh in his own home ends is piping up lol. i rather be an aloo than a nang like you. i dont need jhatka, i dont live in the jungles where there is a bounty on my head, do you live in the jungle and havent got access to food?
and listen to sant ji's speeches and what i actually said, Sant ji said that if u catch any 'amritdhari' who is drinking eating meat etc then set them on fire. the only thing a nang like you and your step dad big tedh can do is set fire to a bbq to eat bakra lol
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16 minutes ago, Big_Tera said:
lol
The only reason I did not turn up is because I thought I would let you off as your just a scummy little kid. That could not fight a squirrel on your own let alone me.Just imagine if you met me and I let lose on your skinny little vegi body and asmushed you up like a samosa. I would end up in jail. You should be happy your still breathing.
Who know never mind jhakta goat which I love. I might have done a jhakta on you. That would not be nice would it?
lolzz
tell you what, dont you worry about me and my veggie body, lets meet face to face and go somewhere which aint cctv'd up so you dont need to worry about going to jail and lets see what you can do?
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55 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:
and your point is what ? we all know singhs ate meat back then and sikhi respects that fact , it also respects personal choice and freedoms to choose our paths. Eat chatka if it makes you feel happy ,don't if it makes you happy - food is not going to save anyone it's only Gurbani, sewa, simran and Guru Kirpa.
All those chatka eating guys ...how are they justifying their hands-off approach to Shillong, Sikhligars, Rajasthan , Madhya Pradesh, Gujarat and all the places where raksha is needed of our sikh bretheren?
I thought all this meat eating was to build them up for battle ...so?
well said sis, the meat eating fauja must only be good at doing gandeh padh at home, because none of them have been there for the panth for God knows how long. even the punjab gangsters who dont even claim to be 'ladliyah fauja' are doing more seva than them lol
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30 minutes ago, Big_Tera said:
One of the reasons goat meat was popular is because its lean high protein meat.
Also its easy to do jhakta to a goat with one chop. sheep and pig is difficult to kill with one chop as their neck is alot bigger so requires alot more strength and skill to jhakta it.ie you only have one strike to the neck to jhakta it clean off. Which is difficult with a larger bigger animal.
So goat was the natural option as a kirpan would do the cut easily with one blow. Obviously pakora nakh has probably wet his pants reading this. Get back to your dhal and rice. lol. leave the jhakta for the real men. not sissys like you who cant handle meat.
Sissy boys obviously prefer their aloo matar and saags. No wonder they turn into sissy boys when they grow up with no strength. No wonder you have all the strength and charisma of a wet lettuce. That goes for pakoranakh. I bet he would sH1t his dhal out if he ever came infront of me and I destroyed him like the trex that I am.
hahahaha the fat soorh aka the p*ssyh*le who sh1t it when i came to your home town speaks about his jaano pyara goat meat. if your such a real man, why didnt you turn up? i even waited outside maccies hoping the smell of big macs would lure you in lol. and for the record you clown, prior to becoming amritdhari, i ate meat. i eat dahl and still rep more on a bench press than you could ever dream of. btw real singhs fought against the worlds 3rd largest army for ten days eating dahl... what have you achieved eating meat? apart from chatting bakwas on this and flapping it from me lol
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a lot of hate here for khalsa aid, i know they been in iraq/syria a lot but what have they done that so bad? do they still support the shaheed pravaars in punjab?
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On 6/27/2018 at 6:49 AM, Guest Kaur 2 said:
Lol why do you two always argue? Its still quite funny though.
because he comes here acting like the jathedar of the forum, talking about goat meat, ruining innocent girls lives and then to top it off, sh!ts himself when i go to meet him, after he has been chatting b*llsh!t on here.
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I was sent this article and found it to be very accurate and on the ball. However, as much as i agree with this article, i think this article could be expanded even further. yes the typical khalistani in the uk is male, amritdhari and lashes out when anyone opposes their views. trust me i used to be exact the same. but taking a step back since i have moved away from birmingham, i can see that by restricting the movement to black and white, is never take the movement forward. the movement never was restricted to just amritdharis, initially the Anandpur Sahib mata was for all Punjab. secondly, Sant ji being the great visionary that he was, actively sought those who had broken away from sikhi i.e the smugglers, gangsters etc. thirdly, even at the peak of the movement, a lot of the kharkoos were not just gursikhs, a lot were well known guys in their areas and that gave them the base to branch out to other like minded guys and had girls who helped them out. so if you compare that to now, in general the khalistanis are seen as extremists by most sikhs (which hurts me to say), while the so called khalistanis are quick to alienate anyone who doesnt agree with them and give themselves in front of their own circles the hype about how panthic they are. from sant ji to baba manochahal, brahma, budhsinghwala to mintoo, these had enough vision to realise that if you want the sangaarsh to move forward, then all types of sikhs need to be involved, whether that is gursikhs, non gursikhs, male/female, young/old or anything else.
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get in touch with sikh youth uk, sikh to inspire, boss - all birmingham based.
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11 hours ago, jkvlondon said:
guess what I wasn't there either ...
Good, you werent invited LOL
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17 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:
I was at maccies......neither of you showed up.
thats funny, cus i didnt see you either LOL
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5 hours ago, GuestSingh said:
do you know how long bhai sahib has left? guessing another 10 years without any parole.. is he still in the southcoast?
i think your about right, im not sure though as i dont get to go smethwick gurdwara much anymore as im now in cardiff. but manjit singh came out about 8 years ago.
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12 hours ago, S4NGH said:
Either they find his stupidity mildly amusing or they're as thick as he is.
i went down to southall on saturday after the big tedh had been giving it loads about what he was going to do to me. guess what... he never turned up LOL. first he flapped it when i sent him a pm last year and this year i even travelled from cardiff to southall, which is his alleged home ends, and he still didnt turn up. Chal, at least i got to do darshan of southall gurdwara sahib.
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16 minutes ago, Big_Tera said:
The only flapping that happened. Is you flapping in mcdonalds toliet while eating a double cheese burger and hoping to meet random people online. Like the fat besharam Qoosa that you are!! Its obvious you are bent!
Anyway this will be my last post with a dirty qoosa like you.
hahahhaha
you flapped it bigtime and now are trying to deflect it by talking about meat again. proper bandhar.
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10 hours ago, proactive said:
That guy is the son of that rapist Darshan Dass, the Ram Raheem of the 1980s. He was killed in Southall in 1987. Looks like his son has kept the family business running.
darshan dass was a proper haramdha and sardar manjeet singh and rajinder singh (who is still in jail now) did the seva on him. I have heard that he raped a lot of girls, also he did a lot of blackmagic, to the point where some of his followers are mentally disturbed even now. this whole whey protein will give him publicity, most apney think he is one of us which is worrying.
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8 hours ago, Big_Tera said:
The only thing you came here to do is to meet other members at mcdonalds. Where you can gorge on beef burgers and doughnuts and meet other members you sad dirty and filthy B@astard. Get a life. You are nothing but a lowest of the lows scoundrel and internet troll.
geeza you flapped it, so dont even come on here giving it loads now. you proved what i knew and a lot of others knew already, and that is your a fat soorh who is a keyboard bandhar. on a level geeza, i came to your ends after your hype of what you were going to do to me, and then you didnt even turn up LOL. regards to eating beef, you obvs been eating a lot of it hence why you act like a mad dungar lol. anyways back to my main point - YOU FLAPPED IT!!!!
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2 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:
Obviously you have not been reading the discussion between myself and JKV.
Please re-read again.
Funny how these studies at one time claim that all these are "taboo" in our community but all of a sudden that 50 percent are sexually abused.
Slight bit of schizophrenia there.
If there are any Sikh men that sexually abuse, they should cut their b**** off!
However, this should not absolve Pakistani men off their organised grooming.
By the Kom is spelt Quam or Kaum.
Nice try Abdul!
Typical Paki f#cker coming here giving it this and that, when so many imams are caught abusing boys and girls. Ask to care workers, social workers or local charities, in the UK, goreh and suleh, esp suleh as per the consensus, are the worse
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Been waiting for over half an hour and big tedh hasn't turned up. Like I always said, man is a little mummy's boy who comes here giving it loads. All your talk of how you going to batter me was more of your b.s! If you do decide to turn up, il be at the gurdwara Sahib, wearing a blue addidas jacket if you do fancy coming to find me!
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On 6/21/2018 at 10:47 PM, Big_Tera said:
I think it that comes down to various factors.
one is Muslim girls would risk her life trying to marry a sikh. As they come from very strict religious backgrounds. Hence many would not consider it. 2ndly Sikh males are unlikely to go ahead and marry a muslim girl because is is seen as a shame on the family to marry a non Sikh especially a muslim girl even if she converts.
3rdly. Muslim girls by nature are more into their faith. They realy hate the idea of marrying a non muslim. They are taught to hate non muslims. Why would they marry one?
Many Sikh girls go by the concept that you cant help who you fall in love with. So you should marry anyone you love regardless of religion. They also end up dating non Sikhs so its more likely they will fall in love. As theres more opportunity for it to happen. They have already taken the step of dating the muslim. So alot more chance of something happening.
Muslim girls avoid any risk of falling in love with non muslims such as Sikhs as they dont date Sikhs in the first place. So they avoid the whole risk of falling for a non muslim.
We should just carry on doing what is right for us.
Here waiting big tedh, black Audi a6
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On 6/21/2018 at 10:47 PM, Big_Tera said:
I think it that comes down to various factors.
one is Muslim girls would risk her life trying to marry a sikh. As they come from very strict religious backgrounds. Hence many would not consider it. 2ndly Sikh males are unlikely to go ahead and marry a muslim girl because is is seen as a shame on the family to marry a non Sikh especially a muslim girl even if she converts.
3rdly. Muslim girls by nature are more into their faith. They realy hate the idea of marrying a non muslim. They are taught to hate non muslims. Why would they marry one?
Many Sikh girls go by the concept that you cant help who you fall in love with. So you should marry anyone you love regardless of religion. They also end up dating non Sikhs so its more likely they will fall in love. As theres more opportunity for it to happen. They have already taken the step of dating the muslim. So alot more chance of something happening.
Muslim girls avoid any risk of falling in love with non muslims such as Sikhs as they dont date Sikhs in the first place. So they avoid the whole risk of falling for a non muslim.
We should just carry on doing what is right for us.
Are you coming tonight fat boy or gona waste my time
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20 hours ago, jkvlondon said:
look I may not be your flavour of cool sikh but I've lived long enough to learn to not give away your peace of mind so easily . I do not agree with his behaviour regarding the bibi he was engaged to and find that self-centred BS hard to justify in weak case he made , but ultimately only Waheguru ji can deal with the mess he made and its repercussions. You want to learn great, but learn to use the bibek you are given by Guru ji to seek out good sources of sikhi and good learning opportunities instead of giving your energy and time to anger and frustration . It's all about picking the right fight. I spent my youth in anger and hatred against those I felt were hypocrites instead of converting that steady drain on me to counter the negativity those people bring to the world . I feel it was a wasted opportunity.
OK penji, very respectful post I will take that into account. Bhul chuk maaf
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18 hours ago, S4NGH said:
He's just thick as <banned word filter activated>. Mind boggling how someone can be so mentally challenged. Behaves as though he has some moral high ground after all the stuff he's guilty of which every member of the forum is aware of. Shaj ta bole, shaanani ki bole? He isn't worthy of being called a man after what he did to an innocent girl and her family. Pakka bandhar.
Very true brother, the guy makes me sick and flaps it everytime I offer him to meet. What's nearly as bad as him is how so many other idiots on this forum give him the pump
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Proof of Singhs doing jhata of goats at Madho Das dera!
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lol budha dal... same dal where your baba santa sio sold out on the quom.
anyways i dont go round following sheep, i try and follow the examples of those who have done something for the quom and not your baba santa sio. Sant Jarnail Singh Ji, someone who gave his blood for the quom and countless other jujaru singhs - ALL VEGGIE. then high jeevan wale singhs and mahapurakhs i.e. maskeen, bhai etc are whose katha i aim to follow. not clowns like you and your baba. you might wana feed me grass, i will feed you something else and trust me you wont like it. your in birmingham yeah, next time i am there i will drop you a message and lets see if you turn up or whether your gona flap it like your bingah buddy big tedh