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4 hours ago, Big_Tera said:

Not sure if anyone has seen this video before or if this is a genuine Sikh.

Absolutley discraceful

 

That was a low blow, it's videos like this that make the aam sikh hate islam 

What kind of quality parchar would that be? Udhassis seem to have a completely opposite outlook, if anything it's bringing sikhs farther away from gurbani.

3 hours ago, Balkaar said:

The Singhs who dragged Bhai Kanhaiya before Kalgidhar Patshaah sounded very similar to you. "Why give water to some muslim, an enemy, when you could be giving water to a Sikh instead? Shouldn't the Sikhs be a priority?"  I shouldn't have to remind you how this turned out for them. 

When Dashmesh Pitaa asked Bhai Sahib why he had done this,  Kanhaiya replied "I saw no Mughal or Sikh on the field of battle Maharaj, I saw only you". Guru Gobind Singh said that of all those present in the group Kanhaiya alone had understood the real message of Gurbani. Bhai Kanhaiya was right. The Singhs were wrong. I believe you are wrong about this too bhenji. Be careful not to become so obsessed with protecting 'sikhi' that you forget what you're supposed to be protecting in the first place. 

Helping somebody is never a waste of anything, it is not only one of the best things we can do for others, but one of the best things we can do for our own Sikhi. 

Akaaaaaaal!

3 minutes ago, Sukhvirk1976 said:

The son of a khalsa isn't necessarily a khalsa.. Sikhi is a personal journey one where the onus is on the individual. We all make choices each day in the way to live our lives... 

I understand Veer ji, so why keep udhasis in our sampardas

11 hours ago, monatosingh said:

Credits to @Jacfsing2 for pointing these Puratan Samprada's out for me. 

Khalsa

 

"Khalsa (Punjabi: "the pure") refers to both a special group of initiated Sikh warriors, as well as the community that considers Sikhism as its faith. The Khalsa tradition was initiated in 1699 by the last living Guru of Sikhism, Guru Gobind Singh. Its formation was a key event in the history of Sikhism. The founding of Khalsa is celebrated by Sikhs during the festival of Vaisakhi, the Sikh new year.

Guru Gobind Singh started the Khalsa tradition after his father had been beheaded for resisting the religious persecution of non-Muslims during the rule the Mughal Emperor Aurangzeb. The Khalsa redefined the Sikh tradition from the start. It formulated an initiation ceremony (amrit pahul, nectar ceremony) and rules of conduct for the Khalsa warriors. It created a new institution for the temporal leadership of the Sikhs, replacing the masands system maintained by the earlier Gurus of Sikhism. Additionally, the Khalsa provided a political and religious vision for the Sikh community.

Upon initiation, a Khalsa Sikh was given the titles of Singh (male) and Kaur (female). The rules of life, included behavioral code (Rahit, such as no tobacco, no alcohol, no halal meat), and a dress code (Five Ks).The initiated Khalsa is also a warrior with a duty to protect the innocent from any form of religious persecution. The Sikhs who revere the teachings of Sikh gurus, but have not undergone the initiation have been called Sahajdhari. A Sahajdhari Sikhs do not accept some or all elements of the dress and behavioral codes of the Khalsa Sikhs. The Khalsa has been predominantly a male institution in Sikh history, with Khalsa authority in male leaders. In contemporary era, it has become more open to women."

5ks:

Kesh

Kanga

Kirpan

Kachera

Kara

Bujjar Kuherits:

Not to disturb the natural growth of the hairs.

Not to eat meat of any animal slaughtered. (Some may argue Jhakta is allowed which is instantaneous strike to the head)

Cohabiting with a person other than one's spouse.

Using tobacco or alcohol.

- Anyone who breaks these 4 sins has broken the Amrit and the boost of naam their panj gave them, and will need to retake amrit to become a Khalsa again.

http://new.sgpc.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Raj-Karega-Khalsa.pdf

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://old.sgpc.net/CDN/Sikh_Rehat_Maryada_English.pdf&gws_rd=cr&dcr=0&ei=puO8WZ63GsKbgAb3h7XwBQ

 

Udasi (Sect of Baba Sri Chand)

 

* Udasis wear clothes of ochre colour – Sikhs do not.

* Udasis may or may not have long hair – Sikhs are enjoined to. Cutting the hair is an act of apostasy.

* Udasis are not enjoined to keep the five kakkaars – Sikhs are.

* Udasis need not be initiated in the ceremony of Pahul – Sikhs must.

* Caps are the peculiar badges of Udasis – Sikhs are prohibited from wearing them.

* Udasis observe Hindu rites and ceremonies – Sikhs do not.

* The chief object of worship of Udasis is the ball of ashes – this is condemned by the Sikhs. Udasis adore samadhs – Sikhs do not.

* Udasis may smoke – Sikhs may not. Smoking is an act of apostasy.

* Udasis employ Brahmins – Sikhs are not allowed to.

* Udasis perform shraadh (ancestral rites of offering food to the dead) – Sikhs do not.

* Udasis observe the caste system – Sikhs do not.

http://www.sikhanswers.com/sikh-history-personalities/what-do-you-know-of-udaasis/

 

Udasi is a religious sect of ascetic sadhus based on the teachings of Sri Chand (1494–1643), the son of Guru Nanak, the founder and the first Guru of Sikhism. The Udasis do not reject the Sikh Gurus, but attach greater importance to the line of succession from Guru Nanak through Sri Chand to the Udasi mahants. They interpret the message of Guru Granth Sahib in Vedantic terms. They do not abide by the Khalsa's Rehat Maryada.

"The Udasis were key interpreters of the Sikh philosophy and the custodians of important Sikh shrines until the Akali movement. They brought a large number of people in the Sikh fold during the 18th and the early 19th centuries. However, their religious practicies border on a syncretism of Sikhism and Hinduism. When the Singh Sabha, dominated by Khalsa Sikhs, redefined the Sikh identity in the early 20th century, the Udasi mahants were expelled from the Sikh shrines. Since then, the Udasis have increasingly regarded themselves as Hindus rather than Sikhs."

Nirmala

Credits to @Mahakaal96

When Dasam patshah sent 5 Singhs to Benares to learn sanskriti etc they were denied access to the ashrams in Benares because of the maryada of those ashrams not allowing weapons etc. The Singhs returned to mahraj & told them what had happened & mahraj then gave them hukam to remove their shaster & gave them peach coloured bana to wear & sent them back to Benares to learn all the vidya then come back & teach all the other Singhs.... this was the birth of the Nirmala Samparda. Some Nimalas even today wear peach coloured robes & do not carry weapons... they are strictly scholars/sants.

http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Nirmala

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirmala_(sect)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utq09DW6yWo

 

Sevapanthi

http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Sewapanthi

"Guru Gobind Singh Sahib, when he envisioned a Sikh nation, he envisioned the entire world as his realm, and not just a particular geographical area. Similarly, the All-Knowing Guru, in keeping with the traditional ways of the preceeding Gurus, knowing the core philosophies of Guru Nanak Dev Ji, envisioned an all-inclusive Sikh nation, rejecting the exclusive norms of other faiths. Understanding the ways of the Creator, he allowed some diversity and some distinguished ways within it, and personally and specifically blessed Nirmalas and Seva-Panthis. Earlier, Guru Ram Das Sahib honored and acknowledged Baba Sri Chand, founder of the Udaasi Samprada, as per Guru Nanak Dev Ji's blessing to Mata Sulakhni, for her sons. Again, Guru Hargobind Sahib, offered his eldest son Baba Gurditta and the father of Guru Har RaiSahib, as successor to Baba Sri Chand.

These distinguished ways or paths are termed ‘sampardaya’ or 'samprada'. This term has, in the past, been wrongly mis-interpreted or conveyed to the public as ‘sects’ or a ‘cults’, terms that incorrectly imply deviation, arising from dissent with practised beliefs. The term samparda does not mean ‘sect’, but rather order, as in an order of monks. In this sense a sampardaya represents one among several mutually complementary orders. Each one of the major four traditional sampardas began with our Gurus blessings. There are five, traditional sampardas however, starting with the Nirmalas (spiritual scholars), Udasis (scholar mystics), Nihangs (warriors) and Sevapanthis (spiritual mystics serving humanity) and the lesser known Suthra Shahis started by Suthra Shah who was named and raised by Guru Hargobind Sahib.

Sampradaya can be interpreted as ‘tradition’ or a ‘religious order’. It signifies a spiritual or a monastic progression serving as a spiritual conduit via an organisation that lends perpetuity of religious identity. It is somewhat in contrast to other Indian Guru Lineages called paramparas, where by receiving an initiation into a parampara of a living guru, one belongs to a sampradaya. The sampradaya is — a succession of spiritual mentors who carry forward and further convey a religious order of holy men. Holy men belonging to particular sampradas follow their traditional way, holding on to their order's unique philosophies, as conveyed by their mentors to their successors, hence perpetuating their identity. Each successor, however, exercising discretion, does keep the organisation further evolving, while staying with the panthic norms and their tradtional ways.

Sevapanthi samprada comprises of holy men who are devoted to selfless service. The name Sevapanthi can be divided into two parts 'Seva' and 'Panthi'. Seva being selfless service and Panthi meaning someone who walks the path. Hence connoting someone who walks the path of selfless service."

- http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Sewa_Panthi_Sampradaye

Wouldn't it make more sense to remove udhaasis from the list, I mean the son of a doctor isn't a doctor; so why should the son of the guru necessarily be a sikh? Besides Buddhist and Naamdharis are closer to us than Udhaasis

14 hours ago, monatosingh said:

I researched these posts and found some links if you want to know more about a Jatha.

Taksali

Maryada: (Credits to @TaksalDaSingh9771)

 

1.you live an honest life and follow Guru Granth Sahib ji. 

2. Believe in dasam bani

3. Take santhiya from a taksali singh

4. Do nitnem 

5. Keep taksali rehit to take Amrit if you haven't (me)

6. Believe that meat is last resort

7. Try to fight 5 chor everyday 

8. Have a good heart

9. You're nitnem is: Japji Sahib, jaap sahib, tvae prasad swaye (sravag sudh) chaupai Sahib (hamri karo hath) anand Sahib 40 pauria {morning} sampooran rehras (taksali gutka) {evening} rakhiya de shabad and kirtan sohila {night}

10. Do ardas everyday for maharaj to give you rehit daan bibek daan etc.

http://www.vidhia.com/Rehat Maryada/Gurmat_Rehat_Maryada_-_Damdami_Taksal.pdf

http://www.damdamitaksaal.org/history/leaders

http://www.damdamitaksaal.org/

http://www.damdamitaksaal.org/code-of-conduct/37-organization/56-q-a-a

 

Nihang

Maryada and links (credits to @Destruction)

http://www.shastervidiya.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/The-Fighting-Traditions-And-Fighting-Arts-Of.pdf

Transliteration - Gursikhan di Puratan Maryada - Buddha Dal gutka

Satguran di Gurbani da furmaan - "Gur Satgur ka jo Sikh akaaey, su bhalkey utth Har Naam dheeaavey. Udham karey bhalkey parbhaati, ishnaan karey, Amrit Sar naavey"

(Mahalla 4 Vaar Gauri panna 305-6)

1. Guru ka Sikh Amrit vele utthdey samey, Ardas karey sukhan naal raat gujri, Kriya sodhan da bal bakhsho

2. Utthke jangal (medaaney) jaan samey jal da garva le ke jana. Madaan khed ke garva changi tarha sodhna (maanjna) Shehran vich bhi Latrine vich pani hove, hath saban naal saaf karne.

3. Mukh Maanjana (Datan karni) jal kol rakhna.

"Kangha dono vakht kar - Paagh chunh kar bandhai. Datan neet kareye, n dukh paaveh Laal ji." (rehtnama Bhai Nand Laal Singh ji.)

4. Ishnaan thandhey jal naal karna. Sareerak avastha vichaar lenni.

5. Kacchera badlann samey ik pahauncha laahaunna ik paaaunna. Nangey modhhe ja nangey sir kacchera nahi badlana.

6. Aasan te baitth ke dumalley (dastaar) sajaaunee, godhean te hazooreean pa laina, Dastar kaccherey nu na lagey. Dastaar pech pech kar ke uthaarni, topi vang nahi laahauni - chun ke fir sees te sajauni.

7. Amrit veley pehlaa 'Vaheguru' mantar da jaap saavdhaani naal shabad-surat jorh karna, swaasan naal.

8. Dargaahi hukam mutaabak;

"fir charey divas Gurbaani gavey - bahdeeaa uthdeeaa Har Naam dheeaavey" (M 4 Vaar Gauri - Panna 304-6)

9. Saverey Amrit vele Gurmantar ante Moolmantar da jaap karke, Panj banian da saverey path karey ja suney. Behdeaan uthdean, Vaheguru jaap ja Mool mantar da jaap karde rehna.

(Panj Baanian : Jap Sahib Jaap Sahib, Swaiye (sravag sudh), Chaupai, Anand Sahib (Sampooran). Hor baanian khushi aavey parho.

Shami - Sodar Rehraas --Aarti Aarta parhe ja suney. Saaun samey kirtan sohila da path kar ardas kar bisraam karey.)

Vaheguru mantar bina hor mantar da jaap na karey.

"vaheguru ke mantar bin, Jaapey aaur koi jaap. So sakat, Sikh mool nah, baacat sri mukh aap.17. (rehatnama Bhai Prahlaad Singh ji)

10. Kesi Ishnaan - Bibeki Singh reetheaan ja sucham dahi jamaie naal kesi ishnaan karey. Khulla Singh - jis naal ji chaahe karey.

11. Kes harrey karan samey nangey na rakhey, chhota patka pala upar rakhkey harrey karey (sukhaave). Kacchera badlan samey bhi kesh nangey kachhera na badley.

12. Kes pichhey sutt ke harrey na karey, Baiey ja daaey(saja ja kkabbey) kes khuley rakhke upar kesgi neeli rakhke sukaavey.

13. Kanga karan samey jo kes jharan ouhna nu pairan vich na suttey, (eh Guru ki mohar han) Sambhaal ke agan bhet devo.

14. Gilla ja sukka kacchera modheaan te na rakhey, Kesan Dahrey nu lagda he (Kacchrea kamar kassey banney)

15. Dahrha khulla rakhey Rom na chhedey, Kalaf na lavey, na kaley karan lai koi aooshudi vartey, so tankhahiaa.

16. Baana (Akaal Fauj da) Neelaa pehney(Neelaa Dastaar Neelaa Chola) Kamarkasa (Dastaar hethan Neela patka kesan naal Kesgi jaroori pehne ate Shastar) Safed kacchera terh, (pajama nahi pehrna)

Sardeean vich 'Half Stop' di varto lorh anusaar keeti ja sakdi

17. Dasan Guru Sahiban da saroop sri Guru Granth Sahib Guru Saroop maney - Dasm sri Guru Granth Sahib te Sri Sarb Loh Granth Shib - Guru Vaak ucharan man ke Guru Saroop hi isht upasana karni.

18. Tek Akaal Purakh di ate parcha Shabad (Gurbaani da) rakhna.

19. Panj Piaareyan ton Khande di pahul - amrit chhak ke, (Mard) naam naal 'Singh' ate bibian 'Kaur' shabad vartan.

20. Adha nam nahi sadna poora nam sadna.

21. Panj kakaar (Kes, Kangha,Kara, Kirpan, Kachhera) eh sareer de ang samjhaney, kis vakht (ishnan karan samey ja raat saun samey) koi kakaar sareer ton vakh nahi karney.

22. Kanga danda tutta nahi vartana - do kanghe rakho, ik hovey tan danda tutan te ardas karva saabat kanga vartna.

23. Dastaar Gurmukhi sajauni , Farrhey vala Singh , Dastaar saja ke 'Farrhey da shabad (jo is gutkey vich he) yaad kar parey.

24 Farrha (Guru Ka Nishaan jaan) adab satkaar da khaas dheean rakhey.

25. Guru darbar bina ishnaan hazoori na javey, Baharon namaskar kar lavey. Jad Guru Hazoor javey panj ishnaan karke javey adab sahit namaskaar karey. Juraab pa ke na javey.

26. Amritdhari Singh - Panj kakaar di rehat dharan karey, ate kurahit ton sada bachey.

a. Singh Singhani kesan naal kesgi neeli jaroor rakhey.

b. Kirpan isht jaan ke har samey pehn rakhni.

c. Singh Dastar dhari hove (Topi manmat te kurahit he)

"Hoi Sikh topi dharey, Saat janam kushtti hoe marey."

d. Rozana ishnaan karna.

e.Rozana hee, Vaheguru Mantar da jaap te savere te shaam deean banian samey zaroori parhneean.

f. Dharam di kirt karke vand chhakna

g. Guru namit dasvand denna

h. Satsang karna - Seva karna.

i. Har karaj Gurmat anusaar karna. Hor matan dee rees nahi karni

j. har samey sri Guru Granth Sahib ji dee ageea hukama vich chalna.

k. Sach bolna. Sat, Santokh, Dheeraj Shubh gun dhaaran karney.

l. Ninda karn to parhej karna.

27. Kurehatan :

a. Kesan di beadbee nahi karni, Koi rom bhi sareer ton nahi chhedna (katna)

b. Tamaaku (dhumar paan) sevan nahi karna.

c. Kutha khana (mussalmani kalaam naal koh ke maarna), sakht varjat he.

d. Musli yudh (Bhaav Par Naari da sanbhog nahi karna) , Sakht varjat he.

e. Meeney-Masand-Dhirmaliye, RaamRaiey, Nari Maar Kuri maar - Sir Gumey te patit naal varton nahi karni.

f. Chori-Yaari-Jooaa nakhid karam nahi karney.

g. nashean ton jithon tak ho sakey bachan da yatan karna. Inna de Sundar sareer nu vasi karan nahi karna.

h. Devi - Devtey - Moorti pooja (Photo pooja) Marhi - Masaani - Math - pooja, Shagan - apshagan, Tirath-Bart rakhney , Sootak - Patak, CChho - CChaat, Sraadh karney , Chhaiaa, puchheaa, Jantar-Mantar-Tantar aadh bharam karan to sada nirlep rehna, eh nahi mananney.

28. Akaal Fauj, sada shastar-dhari tyaar bar tyaar ravey.

29. Har karaj Ardas karey Satguru agay. Uthdean behanddean ishnaan karan - Naam japan - Parshad chhakan pehlan te chhakan uprant shukrana Vaheguru Akaal Purakh ji da karey.

30. Cheetah bhajae (peshaab karan te) Panj Ishnan karey.

31. Gurbani, kisey saroop vich hovey (Gutka ja pothi) swacch rumaal vich rakhey, ate kisey uchi jagha rakey, satkaar te adab rakhey.

32. Sikh Sikh te vaar na karey - gareeb di rakheea karey.

33. Dhi - Bhenan da paisa na vatte na khaey.

34. Shastar na visaarey jeha hukum he :

a. 'Tanddey pani jo nahi naavey. Bin Japu parhey ju paavey.Bin Rehraas-Sandean jo khoveh. Keertan parhe bin rain ju soveh..15. Karey bachan jo paalaeh nahi. Gobind Singh tis ttaur kat nahi.

b. Sikh hoe bin loh (shastar) jo firreh. Aavat jaavat janamey marey..12. (rehatnama)

c. Nagan hoe baahar firhe, nagan sees jo khaae. Nagan parsad jo baitaiee, tankhahee baddo kahaee..24.

d. Paag utaar parsad jo khaavey, so Sikh kumbhee narak sidhaavey.

e. Bin Jap Jaap japey, jo jevah prasad. So bistta ka kiram huei, janam gavaavey baad..13.. (rehatnama Bh. Prehlaad Singh ji.)

35. Be Amriteeay naal ral ke nahi cchhakna.

36. Jithon tak ho sake sucham rakhnee (such hove t sach paaeeay) GuruVaak ja kee rehat na jaaneeay, Gur mantar nahi cheet. Ta Ka bhojan khaeeay Tootey Har Sion preet.

37. Gurmukhi akhar sikhney parhney - Gurbaani kanth karni, Gur Itihaas parna sunanna, Bacheaan nu Sikhi rehat val prer-rat karna.

38. Sri Guru Granth |Sahib ji dee hazoori suchet ho baithna, Maleen Hava nahi teeaagnee, je bevasi hovey bahar uth jana. Paath karan vala Singh hazooreeaan zaroor rakhe, Paath karde samey sareerak ang nu hath la ke koi kriya nahi karni - Hazooreeay naal karni, ajehe hath Guru Bani nu lagan te beadbi he. Naaska di mal bhi hazooreeay ja jal naal saaf karni.

39. Mool Gursikhi da sva -Bhaou, Bhagti-Simran, Jap-tap Sabar Santokh, Dharam Karam he.

40. Bihangham Singh kisse agay hath fella ke kujh mangey nahi. Sabar Santokh Guru Bharosey jo devey so khai te dirrh vishvaash rakhe.

41. Koi ajehe karam na kare jis naal Akaal Fauj de Baney te Bani di beadbi niraadar hunda hovey.

42. Singh Singh nu milan samey Vaheguru ji ka Khalsa Vaheguru ji ki Fateh bulaavey. Eh hukum Singh Singhni doha lai he.

43. Janam to maran tak saarey Sanskaar Gurmat naal karney.

44. Shromani Panth Akaali Buddha Dal valon manaey jaan vale purb (mahallean) te zaroor pahaunch ke hazareean bharneean, ate daswandh haazar karke Guru keean khushian praapat karneean.

Shromani Panth Akaali Buddha Dal de mahalley ;

a. Vaisakhi - sri Damdama Sahib , Guru ki Kanshi, Talvandi Sabo ki (Bhatinda)

b. Hola Mahalla - sri Anandpur Sahib

c. Vaddey Sahibzaadeyan ji di shahaadat - 8 Poh, sri Chamkaur sahib.

d. cchhotey Sahibzaadeyan ji di te Mata Gujri ji di shahaadat 13 Poh , sri Fatehgarh sahib (Sirhind)

e. Katak Sudi Pooranmashi (Avtaar Dihaara Patshaahi 1) Sultanpur Lodhi (Kapurthala)

f. Maghi - Sri Mukhtsar

g. Basant Panchmi - Patiala - Chhauni Nihang Singhan, Buddha Dal, Lower Mall Rd.

45. Kann-Nak cchedney (Singh Singhni lai vajat he - ( Saabat Soorat rehna) Ang bhang nahi karney.

Vaheguru ji ka Khalsa Vaheguru ji ki Fateh !

Khalsa Rehitnama (Buddha Dal gutka page 359)

Ek Onkaar sri Vaheguru ji Ki Fateh.

Sri Mukh Vaak Patshaahi 10

Tab im bhaniyo gareeb nivaaj.

Shastran ke adheen he raaj.

Dhunn sang saarey Prabhu ji sunaai.

Bina Tegh Teerang rahe nahe bhai.

Bina shatran Kesang, nar bhed jano.

Gahe kaan taako, kitey le sidhano.

Ehey mor agia sun leh piaarey.

Bina Tegh Kesang n divo deedaarey.

(Gurbilaas Bhai Sumer Singh Ji)

Yaatey Sarab Khalsa Suniaeh.

Aayudh dhabey utham guniaeh.

Jab hamre darsan ko aavoh.

Ban suchet tan Shastar sajavoh.

(Gurpratap Suraj rut 3 adhiaaie 23)

(rehatnamean vich vee shastardhari hon bare baar baar taageed keeti he )

Kachh Kirpan Kabhu n teeaagey.

Sanmukh larey n ran te bhaagey.

Shastr Heen n kabhu hoee.

Rehat vant Khalsa he soee.

(rehatnama Bhai Desa Singh ji)

Khalsa so jo chaeh turang.

Khalsa so jo kareh nitt jang.

Khalsa so jo shastr ko dharey.

Khalsa so jo dusht kao maarey.

agay safah Bhai Nand Lal Ji da.

Safa ke faryand ko eion he laazma. Aapan ko beeh bisve kar rakhna. agar tuyang pari chu baashad tisey uthha kar palak n dikhna. Langot, Kachha, Kass kar baras nagey karna.

Aapan ko bakhtrr turang ko paakhar surang ke mukh par bana kar kasna. annee banney to kami n karna. Hoe haror aagay hoe larna.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx9_SGzCY28

 

http://www.sikhanswers.com/sikh-history-personalities/who-are-nihang-singhs/

 

Akhand Kirtani Jatha (AKJ)

https://akj.org/

AKJ differs from mainstream Sikhism in their interpretation of one of The Five Ks of Sikhism: instead of accepting the kes or "uncut hair", they interpret the command as referring to keski, a small turban, which they maintain must be worn by Sikhs of either sex. Kes is given a higher requirement.

They are against any forms of meat, including Jhatka.

This is a topic on gurmatbibek.com which is very much an AKJ forum. http://gurmatbibek.com/forum/read.php?3,1963

As mentioned in the name of the Jatha, they elaborate more on their Kirtan. Here are a few examples of their kirtan:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-B0Y4Aav_KE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rt6E4OyRl0

(I am going to keep AKJ short because their maryada and facts are really not hard to find)

https://vidhia.com/Bhai Randheer Singh Ji/Autobiography-Bhai-Sahib-Randhir-Singh-Ji.pdf

https://vidhia.com/Bhai Randheer Singh Ji/

Please use these links they tell you a lot of what Bhai Randhir Singh said. 

All other Jathabandi's

Other jathabandi's are basically just a group of sikhs. For example, dhadi jatha. They don't have a whole new jatha with a maryada do they? Jatha simply means a group/parade. 

And a jatha inside a jatha, for example a kirtani group that are akhand kirtani's, they are a smaller jatha that don't believe in anything different, just a little group.

Joining a Puratan Samprada / Jatha

I am no expert on these type of stuff but here are my 20 cents:

To join a Samprada of any sort, you need to follow their rehit top to bottom. You are still a Sikh just different beliefs.

Now to actually be in the Jatha fully, you need to take amrit from that specified Jatha.

Let's say you wanted to become a Nihang, you will need to ask the current Jathedar (they have lots of headquarters) and ask him questions.

Same with taksali most likely. Otherwise you can just take amrit from that Jatha and follow what they say. Remember one thing though, you are to be following your Guru, don't be a sheep and follow the Jatha just for the sake of it.

Now AKJ is fairly easy too, just follow the maryada and the amrit from them.

 

I was clickbaited where's the nanaksar ?, lol 

18 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

hello,

Im 13 years old. Im having fights with my parents everyday and they have grounded me for the rest of my life. Im in a relationship with a guy for the past year and his mum has said it would be okay for me to live with them. i really want to because of all the stress and drama at home but my parents wont let me. i need advice asap before my matter gets worse.

Please help me before i run away...

Hang in there, trust me at the age of 13 life feels so weird... just give it time

My advice:

-Tell your pain to guru sahib in ardaas 

-Even if you fight with your parents, hug them, cry to them, if you have too. Tell them what you feel and what your going through

-Keep as healthy as possible; and remind yourself to smile when your down.

-Try to keep busy as much as possible; your mind will hurt less

12 hours ago, Jacfsing2 said:

4 years of education is child-play for someone being a doctor. Most people who followed through education since graduating school would take over a decade to get a P.H.D. in one of the medical fields.

Yup the residency and all... its tough lol; I don't see a reason to doubt there judgement 

12 hours ago, Jacfsing2 said:

I think the bigger issue is that he's too trusting.

Goras? No, you can't make any relationship work if there is no trust. Regardless of how far someone lives or how close they are, if you don't trust them, nothing will work.

An 18 year old is not a kid by any standard. 18 is the age of majority in 80% of the countries around the world, (and in the rest it's even younger). An 18 year old isn't some toddler getting spoon-fed.

Something with reason you said, but regardless where you live, the same thing can happen.

Someone from Punjab can't be a Gursikh?

Agreed to the trust, no relationship functions without it

As for an 18 year old not being a kid, I can see that in the eyes of the law but I don't think any 18 year old is ready to face full fledged adulthood; we don't live in the ideal ages where many had high understanding at young ages, but again I could be very wrong, maybe this individual does.. I'm just saying a vast majority at this point are not ready for responsibility..

As for the disconnect between cultures; many do break barriers and props to them for that! But it's very hard, and at least in close distance there can be a little bit of sanjh of veechars before marriage, and families can meet face to face and resolve conflicts; not so easy in long distance -cultures are harder to be compatible with each other 

I don't think I have to go very in-depth in this last explanation; but it is very hard to find gursikhi in panjab now.. but again I'm not saying there aren't any gursikhs out there, it's just a rough environment in some places

On 9/10/2017 at 0:51 AM, Guest Guest said:

Hi, thanks for your reply @ CKJI.

@Cloud - I had become married in India a couple of years ago and it didnt work out, basically what happened was girl and her family were interested in using me for visa purposes as I am a foreigner therefore that is done and finished. I have spent considerable time and carefully considered the girl and her family's behavior as I do not want to be betrayed again and I have not found any reason to doubt them. No-one is forcing me to marry her, it is my decision.

Brother if that's the case, try to stop your engagements in India 

-It's long distance: and the goray make jokes about relationships being long distance, they don't work

-Marrying someone at a young age is hard as she is still a teen, let her make her own decisions at a older age, otherwise problems WILL OCCUR.

-Marrying two cultures will definitely be hard, especially if your from the west and you would rather talk about Politics; and she's from the pind and wants to talk suits.. you guys will rarely ever have EK JOT (a united mind with each other)

-If you're anywhere close to gursikhi, and she's not, this is only going to drag your ties with gurbani down

14 hours ago, Kira said:

Live in the UK so a bit unwise to American culture but don't you guys have the right to bear arms?

At this point, only Texas does, Cali (where I'm from) lost it with the rise of liberal ideas

5 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

homeopathy can and does help in speeding up recovery , that's why it's used alongside mechanical fixes in the sports arena , post-operative care in surgeries . it is the only non-invasive modality that removes phantom pains in amputees apart from acupuncture. 

what makes you think homeopaths are not professional? A lot of them have full medical degrees i.e. are doctors , sure in some countries there are lay practioners but they are not as ahankari as docs and will make sure that the patient's care come first and refer them back to medical system if they detect red-line symptoms, notifiable diseases problems that need surgical or psychiatric help etc

lol I'm just saying a doctor who put in 4 years of medical school, probably has more knowledge.. (Not to mention they see this kinda stuff everyday)

I'm from the US, we don't have as much freedom compared to you in the U.K.

I don't see it as an issue, it's more respectful than trashing. 

8 hours ago, Sukhvirk1976 said:

Who decides who is on the council? 

Each jathaybani appoints a member (pathic in thinking) 

19 hours ago, simran345 said:

It is important to have the correct translations though. There are people that will misinterpret it for their own agenda and mislead people. So yes there are correct ways to translate it so there aren't different meanings. As well as there is a correct way for the pronunciation. 

However, how it relates to somebody's own life and spirituality is different to each one depending on their circumstances and what it is that they are asking for blessings. 

That's why there should be a council (IMO) to evaluate parcharaks. This council could consist of multiple jathaybandis (as long as they are panthic) these councilers should evaluate each parcharaks kathas and interpret whether they stick to sikhi in there parchar. If they do, these parcharaks should be panth validated, this way no bozo starts using gurbani as a guide to Jesus.. 

2 hours ago, Kira said:

This dude isn't the brightest star in the cosmos is he?

LOL

7 hours ago, monatosingh said:

I think I will still fall asleep with my rajaeei off :D

Try to get a good amount of sleep; if you want Amrit vela badly it could mean sleeping at 7 (if you're willing to do it) 

7 hours ago, monatosingh said:

That will literally break my throat lol

But I think I will just go downstairs and stick my face in the freezer, probably won't have the the urge to sleep then.

So now the only issue is me trying to get back into that game of amritvela, i feel that it has no importance anymore but when i do not do it then i feel sooooo guilty.

 

The jakara is for raising up your energy lol not to destroy your lungs ??

Could you elaborate on the second part not sure I get it lol

7 hours ago, simran345 said:

Lol, wonder if this one does work ? Je tand hove, fer rajayee sitan nu jee nai karna. 

It's all about habit, if you pertend like your awake, you'll feel more awake. If it's cold just start exercising warm, make yourself sweat.. 

 These things work for me, I'm just putting in my 2 cents

ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖ਼ਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫ਼ਤਹਿ 

Can we just agree there is no one "right" way to interpret bani, if one is struggling with spirituality use the atamic definitions, if one struggles with jeevan use the logical definitions.. 

Gurbani is infinite pyareo, no need to limit it, we are sikhs, there is no cap to knowledge.

ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖ਼ਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫ਼ਤਹਿ 

6 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

they don't want to convert but enslave , goyim is a term that actually is close to dungar/bhed in real meaning , when you actually read what they are taught it makes clear where muslims got their ideas of kuffar and world domination.

Haven't you noticed they maintain their closed system by controlling their girls by forbidding them to marry goyim? that they are not as accepting of gays in the homeland, that porn is controlled stricting to have exploitation of goys which are used and abused then thrown away into prostitution not jews(unlike hollywood which the highest paid are jewish actors, casting couch applies to goys trying to make it there including children), teaching to accept anti-christian behaviours as normal including adultery, lying, cheating, avarice, envy, covetness etc

Umm..