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It's a coping mechanism to the dumb <banned word filter activated> Bollywood imposes on them.

I think that jkvlondon is talking about the stupid idiots who have faith in Bollywood, while Ranjeet is talking about the husband who is working his <banned word filter activated> off to support the house and family.

It's pretty known among learned elders that Deravaad and Babavaad start their following thru Bibian.

I don't give a <banned word filter activated> about PC talk, its the truth.

11 hours ago, proactive said:

the usual mischief from the Punjabi Hindus who are always happy to sabotage anything that benefits Sikhs. If we insist on Punjabi then the government and census authorities will be duty bound to consult with Punjabi Hindus and they taking their orders from the Indian government will take the line that there is no need for a Punjabi tick box as they do not accept Punjabi as their ethnicity and they are happy with the present arrangement of having an Indian tick box.

Can we get numbers on how many Punabi Hindus there are compared to Sikhs.

We have to stop these Hindus from screwing around with our <banned word filter activated>, they won't even put Punjabi down anyway just like their Indian counterparts.

They have no right to speak on such matters.

Buddha was affectively an atheist.

1 hour ago, Gagan1995 said:

That low life is insulting Buddha, Buddha came to end the Hindoo hell that is the caste system well before Guru Nanak was even born. Show some respect, because some of you sound like intolerant islamic pigs. Personally I rather have buddhist in Panjab than Hindus , and in the rest of the country as well. 

Dude? Did you even read what I quoted from Choubees Avtaar written by Guru Gobind Singh Ji?

2 hours ago, Gagan1995 said:

Go read a book before  spouting garbage like an ignorant bigot. 

Go read Guru Sahib's Dasam Baani before calling someone a bigot.

8 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

then how would you differentiate between punjabi muslims/hindus in that count?

Most Punjabi Hindus identify as Indian anyway, as in India, they put Hindi instead of Punjabi as their language.

Punjabi Muslims would rather put Pakistani. I've actually seen a trend with Pakistani Muslims and they want to be like Arabs (because they want to assimilate I guess).

So 90-99% of people who identify as Punjabi will be Sikh.

2 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

This is the UK we are talking about here though.

Sikhs have been seen by law as separate identity since the 1970's. 

The census tick box is a natural progression of that.

Yea, I'm not too familiar with how things are across the pond.

I do know a Gora Singh in the UK who recently took Amrit after a few years of learning about Sikhi, he said it would put him in a dilemma on what box should he tick.

It's these type of situations, where a non-Punjabi Sikh has to do the census where it gets confusing.

2 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

What I meant with is Punjabi is synonmous with Sikh whether we like it or not.

Having Sikh as an ethnic group is what we are. We are a nation. That is how we are seen, let's tick that box. 

In 2021, more Sikhs will tick that box and it will be higher in 2031

I agree would should have a box to tick (I'm from the U.S., so its going to take a while here to get added) but I believe we should keep it correct. Sikh isn't a ethnicity/race. It is a Dharam/Religion/Way of Life/etc. Punjabi is the correct term to be used in the Census.

But the thing is though, we can assume that pretty much everyone who put Punjabi on the Census will most likely be a Sikh, so it works both ways.

18 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

Hindus in Punjab could not even be bothered to put down Punjabi as their mother tongue in India

Exactly, I expect Hindu Punjabi's outside of India will do the same thing, as they more identify with being Indian than Punjabi.

Your first point contradicts your second point of Sikhs being an ethnicity, because as you have stated, majority of people putting down Punjabi will be Sikh.

You can guess that 90%+ of people will be "Sikh" as the Hindus wont put Punjabi down.

Just Punjabi should be added, a census should never ask for religion one follows (reminds me of what Hitler did).

This would also leave non-Punjabi Sikhs in a odd position, do they chose their actual race or their religion?

On 7/23/2018 at 9:53 AM, Singh123456777 said:

According to this guru ji was then born in 1661 instead of 1666

Guru Ji was born on January 1st, 1667 (Poh Sudi 7, 1723 BK) (23 Poh, 1723 BK)

The people, books, websites, etc. who still use December 22nd, 1666 as the birth date are stupid and need to realize that this date is in the Julian calendar, which hasn't been in use for 2-3 centuries now.

According to Giani Sher Singh, the first savaiya doesnt exist in Puratan Birhs.

I don't know how that is grounds for removal, how do we know these birhs that don't have it are accurate? What time period are they from? If it didn't exist, then where did the first savaiya (ਜਾਗਤ ਜੋਤਿ ਜਪੈ ਨਿਸ ਬਾਸੁਰ) come from?

On 7/19/2018 at 10:44 AM, Guest Jatt said:

Gurmat Bibek is your best option. I doubt there are many Sarblohis on this site.

This, GurmatBibek.com is better for any Sarabloh / Bibek questions.

31 minutes ago, Singh123456777 said:

They were missionary compared to the sanatan views that other sikhs had.

Sodhak Committee was pretty Sanatani man.

The main guy, Mana Singh was barely there for have of the sessions they had and there were a few guys on there who showed up for every session but didn't know how to read.

Sodhak Committee was just a publicity statement, guys didn't do any proper research.

1 hour ago, Singh123456777 said:

He real reason the sodhak committee took these banis out was because they had a lot of hindu iconography which didnt go well with their missionary brains. 

Other banis that were left out are Brahm Kavach(which also says to do havan), bhagaouti astotar, asfokat swayie etc

Sodhak Committee wasn't Missionary btw.

Sorry if I'm being rude here, but can we stop using SGPC as a scapegoat.

I mentioned this before, SGPC doesn't print Sri Dasam Granth whole or as Bhaag/Senchyia. The nearest thing they print is their Das Granthi Gutka Sahib which contains: Jaap, Shabad Hazare, Akal Ustat, Bachittar Natak, Chandi Charittar Ukat Bilas, Chandi Charittar, Chandi Di Vaar, and Gian Prabodh.

All I can say its that I would never trust Chattar Singh Jeevan Singh. I personally consider SGPC as most authentic for SGGS Ji.

SGPC didn't even exist when the Sodhak Committee was working on Sri Dasam Granth, how could they have done anything? I don't think they removed the 34th Savaiya, because if I read correctly, Giani Sher Singh said this last Savaiya was written at Hazur Sahib? So it wasn't part of the original then I'm assuming.

I would like to have a copy of Mehron Wale Senchyia and compare them to Hazur Sahib ones. Next time I go to India will try to get them.

I think @TaksalDaSingh9771 also has Hazur Sahib senchis, maybe he can also check

3 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

who are responsible for printing presses there , I had heard RSS had infiltrated the committee there (maybe just a rumour but given this situation maybe not so false) basically whereever they have had an access they have distorted and reprinted to suit ...

I have no clue, I borrowed this from a local Singh.

What is also interesting is that the second savaiya ends in a ||1||, not a ||2||. So this is not a simple printing mistake, but someone purposefully did not include it.

25 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

let me guess is it printed by SGPC ?

Nope, I said in the title, Hazur Sahib.

SGPC doesn't print Sri Dasam Granth or Senchyia of it. Closest thing SGPC has is their Das Granthi Gutka I guess.

I heard they want to stay because of the Ithaasic Gurdware there.