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8 hours ago, BhForce said:

Do you sitting in the 21st century know better the Bhai Gurdas ji who references the traditional date of Kattak Puranmashi?

In Bhai Gurdaas Ji's First Vaar, he says:

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ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਨਾਨਕ ਪ੍ਰਗਟਿਆ ਮਿਟੀ ਧੁੰਧੁ ਜਗਿ ਚਾਨਣੁ ਹੋਆ॥
With the emergence of the True Guru Nanak, the mist cleared and the light scattered all around.

ਜਿਉ ਕਰਿ ਸੂਰਜੁ ਨਿਕਲਿਆ ਤਾਰੇ ਛਪੇ ਅੰਧੇਰੁ ਪਲੋਆ॥
As if at the sun rise the stars disappeared and the darkness dispelled.

ਸਿੰਘ ਬੁਕੇ ਮਿਰਗਾਵਲੀ ਭੰਨੀ ਜਾਇ ਨ ਧੀਰਿ ਧਰੋਆ॥
With the roar of the lion in the forest the flocks of escaping deer now cannot have endurance.

ਜਿਥੈ ਬਾਬਾ ਪੈਰ ਧਰੈ ਪੂਜਾ ਆਸਣੁ ਥਾਪਣਿ ਸੋਆ॥
Wherever Baba put his feet, a religious place was erected and established.

ਸਿਧ ਆਸਣਿ ਸਭਿ ਜਗਤ ਦੇ ਨਾਨਕ ਆਦਿ ਮਤੇ ਜੇ ਕੋਆ॥
All the siddh-places now have been renamed on the name of Nanak.

ਘਰਿ ਘਰਿ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਧਰਮਸਾਲ ਹੋਵੈ ਕੀਰਤਨੁ ਸਦਾ ਵਿਸੋਆ॥
Every home has become a place of dharma where singing.

ਬਾਬੇ ਤਾਰੇ ਚਾਰਿ ਚਕਿ ਨਉਖੰਡਿ ਪ੍ਰਿਥਮੀ ਸਚਾ ਢੋਆ॥
Baba liberated all four directions and nine divisions of earth.

ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਕਲਿ ਵਿਚਿ ਪਰਗਟੁ ਹੋਆ ॥੨੭॥
Gurmukh (Guru Nanak) has emerged in this Kalyug, the dark age.(27)

Bhai Gurdaas Ji says ਵਿਸੋਆ (Vaisakhi). This can be taken as the Parkash of Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji. This also makes sense as Bhai Gurdaas Ji is talking the topic of Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji being Pargat (ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਨਾਨਕ ਪ੍ਰਗਟਿਆ).

If you had read the document linked, it was also Pooranmashi on that day (1 Vaisakh, 1526 BK).

In Bhai Gurdaas Ji's Kabit Swaiye, he says:

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ਕਾਰਤਕ ਮਾਸ ਰੁਤਿ ਸਰਦ ਪੂਰਨਮਾਸੀ ਆਠ ਜਾਮ ਸਾਠ ਘਰੀ ਆਜ ਤੇਰੀ ਬਾਰੀ ਹੈ ॥
It is the month of Karlik, and winter season with full moon night. In these eight watches, here is your chance to meet your beloved at any time.

ਅਉਸਰ ਅਭੀਚ ਬਹੁ ਨਾਇਕ ਕੀ ਨਾਇਕਾ ਹੁਇ ਰੂਪ ਗੁਨ ਜੋਬਨ ਸਿੰਗਾਰ ਅਧਿਕਾਰੀ ਹੈ ॥
Therefore, you too be the rightful person to meet the beloved Lord of myriad other female-like seekers, with your loving devotion, love, worship like beauty and adornment of youthful virtues on this auspicious moment of star configuration.

ਚਾਤਿਰ ਚਤੁਰ ਪਾਠ ਸੇਵਕ ਸਹੇਲੀ ਸਾਠਿ ਸੰਪਦਾ ਸਮਗ੍ਰੀ ਸੁਖ ਸਹਜ ਸੁਚਾਰੀ ਹੈ ॥
You are alert and adept in Naam Simran, the sixty main veins of your body are your friends and in your obedience, and you are the possessor of equipoise, beauteous treasure and other items of great value.

ਸੁੰਦਰ ਮੰਦਰ ਸੁਭ ਲਗਨ ਸੰਜੋਗ ਭੋਗ ਜੀਵਨ ਜਨਮ ਧੰਨਿ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਮ ਪਿਆਰੀ ਹੈ ॥੩੪੫॥
In this auspicious occasion, acquiring the union of the temple-like body with the beloved Lord on the nuptial bed of the heart will make your human birth and life a blessed one. And thus you become the beloved of your dear and loving husband (God). (345)

How can Bhai Gurdaas Ji go agaisnt himself?

Personally, I still celebrate on Katak Pooranmashi due to the Panth's Decision, but I do believe that it can be possible that Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji Maharaaj could have been Parkash on Vaisakhi.

6 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

actually NO scholars would dare to request changing the wording of the existing Mangalacharan from those penned by Guru Sahiban themselves which is what happened , it was NOT about formatting issues of the script . . I am stating the issues that have been historically caught to illustrate the lack of sikhi in SGPC head honchos.

Yes, Guru Sahib penned them on top.

If you look at early Birhs of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, they all have them on top generally with the rule I had mentioned.

They were not mixed, bottomed, and centered how they are like current saroops and senchyia printed today by printers.

I don't care about the SGPC, but please don't call scholars like Bhai Randhir Singh (Scholar), Gyani Gyan Singh Ji Nihung, Nihang Naurang Singh (One who standarized Sarabloh Granth), Bhai Joginder Singh Vedanti, and Bhai Joginder Singh Talwara as lacking knowledge on Sikhi. They have spent more time studying Puratan Saroops than all of us.

On 4/9/2018 at 8:35 PM, jkvlondon said:

Changing all manglacharan in Guru ji to one standard one

Please don't take this is a bad way, this had nothing to do with money.

This was done by demands from Sikh Scholars, literally most early Birhs from the 1700's have the Manglacharans on top.

There is a standard rule, the Manglacharan would be on the right side, while the raag + mahala would be on the left side (but still lower than the Manglacharan). If you look at very old saroops, you can see this system present.

Slowly it went away as more "artistic" birhs started being scribed.

Please don't bring in other un-releared issues pls.