NaamTiharoJoJape

On 10/19/2022 at 11:29 AM, dharamyudh said:

That's what I initially thought as well, but the person who posted it said it was Baba Kehar Singh Ji. Both Gursikhs had a similar dastar style. 

Satbachan aa ji.

On 6/1/2022 at 2:42 PM, californiasardar1 said:

Can somebody explain why Thakur Singh erroneously claimed Bhindranwale did not die in Operation Blue Star?

Thanks.

Because Baba Thakur Singh ji were not "erroneous" on the fact that Sant Jarnail Singh ji are still in chardikala

Feem in unsubstantial quantities as always been common amongst rural population as it is commonly believed to prevent cardiac problems and so during strokes people would often go into their pockets to grab a phhaki. It is highly doubted however that Guru Maharaj gave their singhs afeem amongst modern day kathavachiks and Gurpartaps got be taken on face value as rachna of 19th century, and we must understand 19th century sikhi not to be exactly equivalent to 18th century sikhi as we may consider it a puratan source for being pre British but it doesnt change that it was written in midpoint of timeline between us and Maharaj. Bhai Santokh Singh himself asks for khema and instructs khalsa to edit his work and proofread. There are several mistakes such as topic of raagmala, within his writings. See it as itihasic granth, not as pedestal of gurmat unlike Bhai Gurdas ji dia vaaran or even Bhai Nand Lal ji Goye Bhai Anand Singh's writings. 

On topic of afeem, fauj would have barely any time for recovery between morche so afeem and degh were parvaan perhaps. 

There is mention of Maharaj ordering singhs to take afeem when they said they felt demoralized. This is a sakhi held controversial amongst others. 

On 2/18/2022 at 8:10 AM, Arsh1469 said:

From what I know puratan Sikhs and many Sants read Panj Granthi. 

Sukhmani Sahib 

Shabad Hazare Pt.5

Oankar

Sidh Gost

Bavan Akhri

Japji

Rehras

Sohila

Asa Ki Vaar

ive heard that panj granthi pothi sahib was blessed by sri Guru Hargobind sahib Maharaj when sikhs asked how to have saroop of aad sri guru granth sahib maharaj  so these were the banis prescribed by them to sikhs who desired as such 

the nitnem of puratan sikhs is quite amazing and as sant giani kartar singh jee have said "puratan Guru ke sikhan vich bare vade san" 

3 hours ago, intrigued said:

Do any first hand accounts mention this or is there conflicting information?

some conflicting information veerji on the morning nitnem and banis read during amrit sanchar (anonymous) 

different versions claim Guru Maharaj read different dohra like "deh shiva", or some swaiye, etc. and like I said, no mention of panj bania comes apart from Bhai Jaitas Sri Gur Katha and Bhai Saroop Singhs Guru Kia Sakhian (based on bhatt vehis I think) (I have heard some nirmala sources from 19th century do have similar nitnems to panj bania, havent seen for myself however) , puratan Gutka sahibs have nitnem and panj granthi and das granthi mixed up, and again the whole theory on japu jaapu referring to panj bania as collective looms as well 

18 hours ago, ipledgeblue said:

so Sodar Rehras and Arti should both be performed for nitnem, however many gurdwaras seem to ignore this as does sgpc maryada!

wasn't aware gurudwaras dont do aarti in evening, if thats the case there probably are gurudwaras not performing asa di vaar amritvela either 

On 2/8/2022 at 4:46 PM, 5aaban said:

I think there was an article that said Panjabis prefer light-hearted family comedy movies so artists tend to make movies on that because other genres won't make them much money. 

Which is why movies like subedar joginder singh, saka nankana and others that I dont even know about have failed at the box office 

52 minutes ago, Redoptics said:

Well this guy was the 1st person to translate,  Guru Granth Sahib Ji, he also was hired by British Christians and he was German. 

 

Anyone read his book? 

 

apparently he gave up 1/3 of the way thru aad sri guru granth sahib maharaj and called gurbani very repetitive

there are claims that he would act very rude with sikhs and disregard all maryada and even consume/smoke tobacco while pursuing his work of translation

kind of the whole reason for max arthur mcauliffe to begin translating bani because of how biased this firangis work was

I havent read any of this guys work beyond the beej mantr manglacharn, the arth of which he completely butchered as being a version of the hindu concept of "om" 

anyhow as the original question was posed, the whole cause for  this confusion is the sgpc rehit maryada saying only sri japji sahib, jaap sahib, and sravag sudh swaiye are needed in morning but this is a interesting find to come across 

source is Sri Dasam Granth Sahib: Facts Beyond Doubt published by SGGS Academy 

3 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

I think there was a basic like you outline. Then different movements added more banis to their samparadayas rahits? The movement was towards doing more, understandably?  

but then whats the minimum? what banis were recited during amrit sanchar? not to stir up any controversy about panj bania da paathh, just trying to do more khoj because time and time again jap jaap come up everywhere so it would be interesting if they do happen to refer to panj bania as a collective as dr. kamalroop singh claims as well, maybe that term is just amongst the vocabulary that has its subtext lost nowadays 

puratan gutka sahib are needed to be looked into but they arent available much so we would have to back to India to have darshan of such pothis and gutka 

I understand the part on adding banis, like rehras sahib is a prime example of that with the base being sodar sopurkh, and panth rattan brahmgiani mani singh ji adding dasam bani with maharajs permission and khalsa adding more and more as it suited their gurbani abhias

17 hours ago, NaamTiharoJoJape said:

Does it make sense when many claim that whenever Jap Jaap come up in a rehitnama or some source it refers to panj bania as a whole? Any opinions on that? 

well yeah since panj bania barely come up in itihasic sources other than guru kia sakhian (bhatt vehis), and sri gur katha of bhai jaita/jeewan singh so a lot of vidwaans says japu jaapu in rehitnamas refer to banis from both granth sahiban aad and dasam,  and panj bania (I think baba santa singh claims so and a couple others too, can't remember off top of my head but this idea has been regurgitated before)  

had to clarify for the confused face reaction lol 

But yeah, I wonder whether this claim seems plausible and true because if Im not wrong, doesnt a certain rehitnama clearly state "japu jaapu due" but I guess that can still refer to bani of both granths