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    The Saint-Soldier: Documentary on Bhai Maharaj Singh of Bhai Daya Singh Sampardaya (first Sikh in Singapore albeit as a captive of the british)

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    On 5/13/2021 at 7:52 AM, dallysingh101 said:

    See if you can find out or remember who this is? 

    These sampardaya are REALLY important right now (not that they weren't in the past as the thread demonstrates), because they have retained some stuff lost during the Singh Sabha lehar and also give us a trustable source to finally take ourselves out of the colonial baggage too many apnay still live in the shadow of.  

    yo I randomly remembered the other figure to received amrit at the hands of baba bir singh naurangabad in panj pyare

    one is of course bhai maharaj singh, other one I was talking about is baba khem singh bedi (highly controversial man lol) 

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    Guru Nanak And Kirpan

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    On 4/27/2012 at 4:05 PM, alias said:

    our guru had ridh sidh.. proof in video form is on u tube, of rid sid. thats the only shastar all our gurus needed. and when our gurus did take up the sword, it was to show us how to fight n use it, n stand up for whats what.

     

    and lots mroe vids :)

     

     

    they never used to ridh sidh however

    simply akaal purakh did not let any hot wind even touch guru sahib ; and witchcraft and ridhiya sidhiya against them fell apart lol  

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  9. Who murdered prince Nau Nihal Singh?

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    On 5/13/2021 at 10:56 AM, puzzled said:

    I've never heard of Chand Kaur not liking her son ...   He was quite popular among the Sikhs. He donated a lot at Tarn Taran Sahib darbar sahib. He got the gate built and a burj built at corner of the sarowar, he was going to get more work done but died. 

    Yeah Kharak Singh was crap, he was heavily addicted. Some accounts say that he was poisoned and murdered and that his own son played a role in poisoning him. Though Kharak Singh was still officially the Maharaja, he was actually dethroned and kept in a room with one of his loyal courtiers (forgot his name)  This courtier was murdered by one of the Dogras. Kharakh Singh was then slowly poisoned to get him out of the way. While all this was all happening Nau Nihal Singh was basically running everything, little did he know that his own murder was being plotted as well! 

    When Hari Singh Nalwa and Maharaja Ranjit Singh took over Kashmir from the Afghans, Kharak Singh also took part as well, So he started of good, but he later became addicted to opium.  

     

    Its all very interesting though isn't it lol     every empire/dynasty had a lot of drama and traitors. 

    yeah about naunihal singh being called chuhr singh by his mother, it might be out of adoration lol that some scholar misinterpret as contempt 

    dug up some history, and maharaja ranjit singh's nanaji's nanaji was apparently named chuhr singh

    he was a bhullar jat of mandi, who married off his daughter agan to sardar sukh chain (son of tilokha, grandson of chaudry phul, therefore a cousin of baba ala singh phulkian)

    that couple had three sons, all which had their geneologies and sardaris, of which raja gajpat singh became ruler of jind and married off his daughter raaj kaur to sardar charhat singh's son sardar maha singh, and she bore maha singh a son who we all know 

    so chuhr singh might not even be a bad rep, maybe he started sweeping the floor as a child or something lol and he started getting called chuhr singh 

    I am sure she held her son dear since her husband kharak singh was so wack of a addict to opium

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  10. Are we Sikhs allowed to use any name for God or is that just a misconception spread by people?

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    as far as this neech can understand

    waheguru is the name of kartar/akaal purakh/paarbrahm by which we do remembrance/naam jaap 

    all rest are descriptive generic terms, that folks adhering to other theologies use for their own devi devte 

    like gopal means lord of the universe, raam means all pervading, hari is the sustainer (one who brings hariali aka life/greenery), kartar is creater, thakur is master, and other terms like sada siv, mahakaal are also used  etc. 

    now hindus of different shaiv, vaishnav, brahman matts etc. believe krishna to be gopal, raam chandra ji to be raam, krishna to be hari, sada siv and mahakaal are attributed to mahadev/mahesh/rudra dev, paarbrahm to brahma but naming your child after a Godly quality doesnt exclusively make them an avtar or something, I am sure there are many hari singhs, gopal singhs, raam singhs, bishan singhs, kishan singhs, gobind singhs, that arent so 

    same goes for arabic names of God meeaning different things  

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    Did Guru Gobind Singh Boil Alive Mahants

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    On 5/26/2014 at 10:32 PM, BarinderSingh said:

    Comparing warfare to the incident of the Masands is not practical. Warfare involves armies that are paid to fight and are blinded from the truth to the point where many lies are told about why we need to fight and kill the other side (devils, kafirs, etc). Guru Sahib put that gold at the tip of the arrow is the same compassion Bhai Khanhaiya ji saw in helping the wounded "enemy" soldiers. Reading Zafarnama it is clear Guru Sahib completed the task of burning the masands. The words used towards Aurangzeb show the Bir Ras coming from the writing of Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji. Aurangzeb passed away after reading Zafarnama. The masands like Aurangzeb broke an oath they took in front of the Guru. The 40 mukhta also broke an oath, but they were forgiven because they came back to defend their Guru in the battlefield. The 40 mukhta regained their oaths honor. However the Masands were on a rampage of destruction. In this rampage there was no moral acts in site. Did Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji warn the masand to stop their immoral behavior is not clear in history, but looking at the Guru Sahib's Bani, this is very likely. Guru Sahib gives the chance of receiving forgiveness many times, but sometimes, when the actions are too harsh and horrible Guru Sahib takes on the form of NarSingh and sinks his claws in to take the dusht apart piece by piece. Chandu Shah was also brutally taken apart by the Gursikhs at the orders of Sri Guru Hargobind Sahib ji. The sangat is like the innocent Bhagat Prahlaad. They try to follow the Guru's instructions to the best of their ability. They come to the Guru after a hard day's of work to get darshan and give whatever they have made back to the Guru. They travel for long hours or even days to get Guru Sahib Darshan. They put their trust in the custodians of the Gurdwaras to be honest with them and give them the direction of their Guru. These Bhagats (Guru ki sangat) were being wronged by the Masands as poster Jonny101 describes on this thread. Guru Sahib is in love with his Bhagats and stand up for his bhagats when they need him.

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    war often simply has employed soldiers on both ends that do not know each other

    but the masands were under jurisdiction of guru ka darbar

    if the masands had really been raping women, then I have not any doubt that guru sahib couldnt order a rightful end to their journey as a mortal 

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    PANJ BANIA DA PAATH

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    18 hours ago, Singh1989 said:

    The latter. 5 in morning; Japji, Jaap, Tav Prasaad, Chaupai and Anand Sahib. Evening - Rehraas Sahib and before bed Sohila. 

    According to Rehat Maryaad a Sikh should do Japji and Jaap BEFORE breakfast (including drink a sip of water). But all Gursikhs do the whole five BEFORE BREAKFAST. Sikh code of conduct can be found on Sikhitothemax (that website still around)?? ORIGINAL code of conduct is located at Nander, Mumbai at that Hazoor Sahib. 

    Now, question, why do we do the seven? There is History behind it and WHY we do it? I will get into this but at work at the mo. So will pop back later. 

    i think that  is bhai nand lal ji's rehitnama that says sikhs did japji and jaap before eating and drinking in morning 

    and yeah please do give keemtee vichar soon

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  14. Don't need to be religious to know the difference between morally right or wrong?

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    6 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

    Schools can't force any one type of prayer. In the united states for example we respect all relgions supposedly. Nobody complains it says In God We Trust on the money when they spend it. God is written into our founding documents.  A period could be held every morning still where students are invited to pray, meditate, or remain quiet and focus. It's supposed to be all religions equal not no religion. 

    The military provides services for a variety of religions with different chaplains. You can go to your group or you can go learn about someone elses. There's no reason federal schools can't do the same as federal armed forces. 

    To remove God from all things is enforced Atheism. Which is not constitutional or in spirit with the founding documents of this country. 

    supposedly, we get breaks during which we can use for things you mentioned

    and we have time at home as well, why allocate the time we have school  to things we can best do in private

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  15. Don't need to be religious to know the difference between morally right or wrong?

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    Everyones moral compass is different, and everyones moral priorities are different. Kindness, forgiveness, and all that is good but the eradication of discrimination and tyranny would be more important (although one can argue the former qualities are integral to achieving these, but more people would agree that killing someone is far bigger moral issue than having to greet your neighbor everyday) 

    These things are up to the individual, you get what I mean 

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  16. Don't need to be religious to know the difference between morally right or wrong?

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    37 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

    My mother was alive to see prayer removed from schools. She said she could see a difference in people almost immediately. When I was really young she told me sometimes you see a religous person, and you think... they're not the best person...she told me religion was probably the only thing keeping them good at all and an atheist is the same quality of person just with nothing to keep them good. 

    But schools cannot administrate any of that unless you want to send your kids to a certain school 

    It begins in the family 

    Do what you want with your kids regarding their education (home school, sikh institution, etc.) But dont expect the public education system to implement a curriculum to accommodate any specific community, you get what I mean? 

     

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  18. Did Giani Gian Singh Change The Dhora 'guru Granth Ji Manyo Pargat Gura Ik Deh'

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    Any vichaar on authenticity of rehitnamay?

    From my personal point of view, I accept bhai nand lal jis rehitnama to be of greatest authenticity, and perhaps bhai daya singh rehitnama following but I am not sure of any rehitnama other than bhai nand lal ji 

    Any thoughts on rehitname by bhai desa singh, bhai chaupa singh, bhai sahib singh, bhai prahlad singh? Any others I am missing? 

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  21. Baba Sri Chand ji wearing a chola!

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    5 minutes ago, intrigued said:

    Yea that's what I've learned as well

    yeeah and baba mohan is more infamous for the "baba mohan valian pothian" (sometimes called goindvaal wali pothi") sakhi where he refused to give up the historic pothi during sewa of adi granth prakash was going on under agvaahi of guru arjan dev sahib paatshah 

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  22. Sikh shock as government schools ban religious knives

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    3 minutes ago, intrigued said:

    Our reputation in modern day by the world is so fragile due to the fact we are so recognizable.

    honestly I sympathize with some of the regulators in that any domestic terrorist can simply grow a beard and tie a turban

    they should also require people claiming to be amritdhari to read panj bania or something like that 

    if the sikh is strict about kirpan rehit, should be strict on nitnem as well so it makes sense lol 

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    PANJ BANIA DA PAATH

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    On 5/19/2021 at 3:07 AM, jkvlondon said:

    sikiwiki is run by 3HO who are destroying sikhi's roop by their beadbhi of Gurbani and rehit , if you look for the subject matter the top 15 of pages entries are all from either Yogi's taught people , sikhnet, sikiwiki, religionwiki  or Hindi pushing monay who do not follow the Guru on a daily basis . I have heard them throwing shade on Guru Arjan Dev ji by suggesting that Guru ji was 'stuck' composing sukhmani Sahib and only being able to continue by being given Gurbani by Sri Chand ji . It is this dripdrip undermining of our sakhiaan/ithihaas that creates a diminishing of Guru ji in our youth's minds . Truth was Guru ji gave respect to Sri Chand as Son of Guru Nanak Dev ji and allowed him to show humility in front of Guru ji Bani.
    Jagraj Singh ji was married to a 3HO trained sikh  and may have been influenced to accept some slight changes to the sakhi

    in the following pages they just mention that Guru Angad Dev ji repeats Salok in one of his Compostions Majh ki Vaar
    http://sikhlink.com/free-japji-sahib 

    we all know that Guru Nanak DEv ji wrote gurbani down as it was revealed as he was asked to consult the pothi he carried to tell who was better hindu or muslim , so it seems strange that no Gursikh has said this thing about Salok prior to this sikiwiki entry. Sure Guru ji may have given sewa of assembling shabads into an order but they were complete prior. Whoever tried suggesting Gurbani of Japji Sahib is rough needs to calm down , it is the central thesis of sikhi , the roadmap of sikh development. Gursikhs taught me mool mantar is the exposistion of ik , and Japji Sahib of Mool Mantar then rest of Guru Granth Sahib ji of Japji Sahib .

     

     

    never heard of guru sahib being stuck composing sukhmani sahib, that is pure garbage of a thought as if they just sat down to write stuff according to what they wanted, dhur ki bani comes from paarbrahm kartar 

    nobody said japji sahib is rough, its just different in terms of metre according to some folks

    that thing you said about mool mantar being exposition of ik oankaar, and japji sahib of mool mantar, etc., that same thing was preached by bhajan yogi (I agree with him even if I am not a fan of his character) 

    its not just sikhiwiki, that was just an example and I have heard both sides on several websites and sikhnet and sikhdharma, the hubs of 3HO, actually ascribe the salok to guru nanak 

    furthermore, there is a long list of references on sikhiwiki page on guru angad dev ji that you can check, and sikhiwiki references its page on guru angad's bani to this website by some harpreet singh... guruangaddev (google.com)

    in all honesty, all of gurbani in guru granth sahib is in ekaagarta and ekta, as all guru sahiban at all times were fully jaani-jaan and gianee of all of the bani but different gurus did prakash of certain bani at certain times throughout the course of two centuries, this argument over japji sahib salok makes no difference and nobody needs to get offended but I can you get me some references to it being referred to as mahala 1, that would be helpful jio 

    the link you sent me was very helpful, Sri Granth: Sri Guru Granth Sahib

    the salok is ascribed within guru maharaj's saroop, vrajman in majh ki vaar, as mehala 2; hence I find it more plausible that salok is of sri guru angad dev ji 

    most sources like sggs academy (approved by all five thakts), nihung santhia uthankas, would agree that guru angad dev ji in the roop of bhai lehna was entrusted with the task of organizing the mala mantar for sikhs (following a dialogue between sikhs and sant ren ji) 

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