NaamTiharoJoJape

21 minutes ago, shastarSingh said:

Baba Sri Chand ji just made 1 mistake in his life. We Sikhs make hundreds of mistakes.

He became a brahmgyani gursikh.He did parchar of gurmat only and his 4 compositions prove he was a true sikh.

Udasis were a good samparda and their deterioration or hinduization started from around 1820's.

There is no hukamname of Guru Sahib or no rehitnama of 18th century which forbids sikhs to associate with udasis.

We hv hukamname and rehitmamas which forbid us to associate with meenaas, ram raiye, dhir malliye and masands.

Yeah I'm saying that was when I was young

I think baba ji reconciled with rest of panth during gurgaddi of guru raam das ji maharaj when he realized why 

These four were inheritors of gurgaddi as he witnessed guru raam das jis humility 

He was given 700 rupees as bhentaa by guru sahib when he got to amritsar (I think it was amritsar guru ki nagari) and they had a discourse 

Baba ji knew guru raam das ji possessed immense brahm gian but wanted to test them, so he asked why he kept such a long beard to which guru sahib replied to dust off babaji feet and as he was about to receive his feet, babaji picked him up and embraced guru sahib (maybe in tears if I remember correctly) 

On 5/17/2021 at 12:08 PM, NaamTiharoJoJape said:

http://www.sikhpolice.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=102

Any thoughts sangat ji on this video or the auxiliary article? 

Too controversial? Lol 

3 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

it wouldn't make sense as salok from Japji is always referred to as Mahala 1 not 2, the detractors are again nibbling away at our faith

Any reference to it being referred to as mahalia 1 veerji? 

I recently took a look at sikhiwiki page on guru angads bani and angel 8, salok japuji is vrajimaan 

Although I see some incoherence as some versions of sakhi state bhai Jodha recited asa di vaar and japji every morning when bhai lehna (guru angad) heard him and began yearning for shabad and guru 

But lots of people agree that guru angad/bhai lehna in his 6 or 7 years of sewa at kartarpur, was entrusted with duty of complaining a morning bani and he took his time taking authentic dhur ki bani 

Some say this is why japji is rough and uneven in terms of poetic metre, because guru angad left it completely unchanged without metre and was straight mukhvaak and flowing from guru nanak dev ji maharaj 

Something like that lol 

On 5/6/2021 at 12:32 PM, puzzled said:

 Yeah that's the one. I've seen it in peoples houses in india, I used to think it was Baba Balak Nath, but then I found out its to do with Guru Nanak Dev jis sons.

Do Sikhs believe in that sakhi ?  or is it sects that follow Baba Shri Chand ji ?

I wonder if the animals in the painting are of importance? reminds of of Pir Bhudan shah 

 

Thanks. 

My nanimaa told me about this saki when I was young

So I guess mainstream sikhs believe in it (although mainstream sikhs belie bc e in a lot of stuff lol) 

Personally, I am a bit apprehensive of the sikhi, even if it were true it doesnt pose much importance to gurmat or sikhi in general in my neech opinion 

14 minutes ago, shastarSingh said:

They are leaving the parkash of Guru Granth Sahib slowly in their deras too.

 

Even since my younger years, I didnt think of udasis much 

I just knew they were excommunicated and that baba Sri chand was egotistic and anti sikh at first back when I was little but looks like they weren't like that 

They are right now the most diluted sampardayi right now, I don't even have hope for them unlike the nirmalas 

Sikhi in its essence has existed since satyug 

Every enlightened brahmgyani who has attained paarbrahm akaal purkh can be called a Sikh 

Such individuals of several clans, creeds, civilizations have been known to keep Kesha 

19 minutes ago, intrigued said:

If I remember correctly, he was planning to stay at the fort but the panj piare made him leave

Yeah sikhs as a collective thought that the ultimate good would be leaving Anandpur with a pledge from foes that they would not even look in their direction from then

Guru sahib did not intervene and lived in bhana 

That's the prevalent version I've known 

On 7/13/2016 at 5:11 AM, Jonny101 said:

Baaz Singh and Kahn Singh were both in Baba Banda Singh Bahadur jee's camp. They refused to follow binod singh's treacherous way of collaborating with the Mughals in return for some jagir. Binod Singh was part of the Panj Pyaras yet out of Buzdilli he fled which proved he acted alone without the council of the other pyaras. Kahn Singh and Baaz Singh remained with Baba Banda Singh Bahadur. Both of these captured Singhs were ready to become Shaheed in Delhi but Kahn Singh was saved by Binod Singh who bribed his Mughal allies who had earlier bestowed a Jagir to him for betraying Baba ji. Does that befit the moral character of a Singh? While Baaz Singh died a heroic Shaheedi along with Baba Banda Singh Bahadur.

This is just like those traitorous Akalis who said they were with Sant Jarnail Singh jee but when the attack on Sri Darbar Sahib happened they all betrayed Sant ji and stood by the enemy of the Sikhs i.e. Indira Gandhi.

All these stories involving Mata ji, red clothing, claiming to be Guru, being killed because he married and had kids are propaganda spread by the ones who fled Gurdas Nangal and justified their treachery by these lies. The authors who have written negatively about Baba ji are not even contemporary sources. They were written generations after the said events. Bhangoo wrote his work during the time of M Ranjit Singh which is at least a 100 years after. Bhai Kahn Singh Nabha wrote his works based on Bhangoo at a time when much academic research was not done on Baba Banda Singh Bahadur as it was done when an academic like Dr Ganda Singh wrote his book on the life of Baba ji.

As for Baba Deep Singh jee, he was not in Gurdas Nangal so no point in trying to bring him in this discussion in order to justify the treachery of binod singh.

Baba binod singh jee were in full correspondence with bhai mani singh ji

I believe there is a baba binod Singh bir of Sri dasam granth in moti bagh in sangrur I think 

So I think we should refrain from disrespecting this mahapurkh 

On 5/13/2021 at 10:56 AM, puzzled said:

I've never heard of Chand Kaur not liking her son ...   He was quite popular among the Sikhs. He donated a lot at Tarn Taran Sahib darbar sahib. He got the gate built and a burj built at corner of the sarowar, he was going to get more work done but died. 

Yeah Kharak Singh was crap, he was heavily addicted. Some accounts say that he was poisoned and murdered and that his own son played a role in poisoning him. Though Kharak Singh was still officially the Maharaja, he was actually dethroned and kept in a room with one of his loyal courtiers (forgot his name)  This courtier was murdered by one of the Dogras. Kharakh Singh was then slowly poisoned to get him out of the way. While all this was all happening Nau Nihal Singh was basically running everything, little did he know that his own murder was being plotted as well! 

When Hari Singh Nalwa and Maharaja Ranjit Singh took over Kashmir from the Afghans, Kharak Singh also took part as well, So he started of good, but he later became addicted to opium.  

 

Its all very interesting though isn't it lol     every empire/dynasty had a lot of drama and traitors. 

dont want to seem like a crackhead consipiracy theorist

but didnt the british fight wars against xing dynasty over opium trading rights

must have gotten the kanwar up in line after ranjit singh hooked onto opium 

if only maharaja ranjit singh didnt have pearls crushed into his wine 

3 minutes ago, puzzled said:

A lot of Pubjabis who are aged around 45+ seem disturbed. Not just the ones born in India but the ones born here in the West as well. They're just odd. 

I don't know what it is. A lot of built up emotions, anger. Its like they're living in a cage. 

 

This then takes a toll on their kids. Which is just selfish. 

 

 

they are the "chamkila" generation lol

the confused turbulent generation, raised up in times of sant bhindranwale, khadku singhs, as well as manak, shinda, chamkila

On 12/11/2020 at 11:03 PM, Not2Cool2Argue said:

Can you please find the exact quote?

Because if i remember correctly, bhai jagraj singh of basics said that in the ithihaasic granths it actually say aagya bhai akaal ki tabi chalaayo panth. Sab sikhan ko hukam hai, guru maneyo PANTH. GURU PANTH ji maneo pargat gura ki deh. Jo prabh ko milbai chaho khoj ENA ME LAY

no no no

guru maneyo granth is retained in all versions

it is "guru khalsa maneo pargat gura ki deh" that is different 

this is from bhai prahlad singh ji rehitnama 

and yet the descendants of those dogras enjoy and wield political influence 70 years after "independence" and hari singh losing his jammu kingdom 

15 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

That can't be true? Trump and Macaulife came way before Professor Puran I think.  

yes I know

I meant one of the first sikhs to translate sri japji sahib instead of some western scholar 

I dont get why people are so defensive and why maharani jindan is so romanticized culturally 

She was a pretty bad administrator 

40 minutes ago, dharamyudh said:

Hence the reason why I believe our Raaj fell in the first place. We strayed away from Sikhi. Not all of the Sikhs during the Misl period were perfect saints. We had some, however, the trends we see today were present there as well. Also, I believe those granths were written during the Raj and towards the end (panth parkash I believe) and Singhs were definitely consuming alcohol at that time. These are some of the reasons why you had groups like the Sant Khalsa who are now the Namdharis.   

Yeah pretty sure misldars were drinking alcohol by very end of 18th century 

Personification of the modern day sanatan dharma ideology

Basically has no religion like sanatan dharma lol 

11 minutes ago, shastarSingh said:

Yes.

Basanti and surmaye is GURMAT.

So babbar akalis tying black pagh in protest  were out of gurmat 

As the thousands of taksalis and khadkus who have and still tie kesari keskis and dumalle 

While you're on it, try to get some sarab loh assault rifles

So no more saffron for me?