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lmaooo I thought old mate sidhu retired from the entertainment gand cause he's with congress now.

But the thing is, punjabis will enjoy this low iq shite, I was complaining to my mum the other day about how all these punjabi movies are about getting married or something, there's more to movies than getting married. Just create a proper masterpiece, but I highly doubt that it will get as much attention as some of that shite. 

4 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Australia should be on trial before the united nations. For crimes against humanity. 

If you're talking about how Australia is potrayed as a police state, then most of it is bs. I'm from melbourne, where we had the longest lockdown out of everywhere, and mate, during the second one, more than half the people did not give a sh1t and went around visiting their mates and having illegal parties. And the police doesn't have complete power, it's basically like every other country where they get told to fck off.

Idk about vaccine mandates and the rest of the world, we need to get vaccinated ot go to places, but I remember walking in a store (I had it on my phone), and the lady didn't give a fck, and doesn't the rest of the world have mandates as well (I'm not aware of the mandate in other countries). Same with masks, yeah we're supposed to wear them, but you won't get arrested or fined straight away if you're not wearing one, a lot of people don't give a sh1t. 

I've never done bhangra on stages or taken any classes (only in my room with the door locked). My parents put me in kirtan (which I still do) and I did a bit of gatka growing up as well.

I haven't been a fan of bhangra and promoting it as our culture, but if I were to have this conversation with one of those 'cultured' Punjabis, how could I explain to them why bhangra is so fcked up.

Just now, 5aaban said:

The youth I was talking about are from middle-class rural families with some farmland. They're normally not that into Sikhi so explains some of their behaviour. The parents aren't that strict on them either and give into their blackmailing for money. 

Most of my family that's going abroad is like that. Even the ones that are not into sikhi know their boundaries. 

Which area in Punjab are these people from? The people I'm talking about are from the majha area, and some of them are near Mehta chownk.

3 minutes ago, 5aaban said:

I noticed this was the case with older immigrants who were much more responsible. But the ones these days are sometimes a burden on their parents. 

I'm not sure about that considering literally of the younger people in my family started moving abroad in the past 4 years. Did these people come from rich parents? Cause the young people in my family were okay, they weren't too comfortable, but they went to the local private schools, however their parents couldn't afford to pay for all of this. Also, are these people into sikhi? I am fortunate to have a good amount of family that are into sikhi so they don't do this whole going out and dating too much and the spending parents money on kaljug things. Also, the parents are really strict.

1 minute ago, 5aaban said:

I want to do some seva in Panjab too and possibly get married there. 

I want to do seva but I'm not sure about getting married there. I've seen some of the blokes there and the way they think (same with the women there as well), for them it's a free visa, there are some decent ones, but they're getting harder and harder to find. I'm not too sure about moving back there because it's becoming increasingly difficult to find a job, however, I would like to open a business and create well paying jobs.

On 1/30/2022 at 7:55 AM, Kau89r8 said:

 

Saw this tweet a few weeks ago...even though i like listening to some Ap Dhillion myself lol 

Don't think this comparison is right though...its pop culture ..same way why so many obsessed with Kardashians / reality tv / social media etc etc.

Yeah every now and then I listen to Punjabi music a bit (not something I'm too proud of), the thing is, listening to this Punjabi music a bit, I don't think there's anything too wrong with that, however, we have these poonjabis making this their entire personality and putting the poonjabi culture over Sikhi. We are literally known for bhabgra and that bs.

17 hours ago, 5aaban said:

This is a bit of a rant of what I've personally seen in Panjab 

Many Sikhs (youth) have no strong ambition in life other than moving to a country like Canada, England, Australia or NZ. As soon as they finish Grade 12, they start preparing for a test called IELTS and then collect large sums of money to pay fees. Numerous coaching centres for this test have opened up on almost every street in Panjabi cities.

The obsession is so crazy in Panjab, political parties are offering financial assistance for Panjabi youth to abroad! These parties should instead be focusing on creating employment in Panjab rather than trying to ship all our youth off to other countries so their bad governance isn't questioned by anyone in the future. 

I know there are less opportunities for people in Panjab than abroad but can't deny the youth in this generation are lazy. A lot refuse to even help out in family farms and expect their parents pay for IELTS and their whole visa process. Their farms which are now looked after by hired Indians from other states such as Bihari's (there is one migrant from UP or Bihar for every five Panjabis). Panjabi songs & cinema are somewhat responsible for this behaviour. So many families take out big loans or even put their land & houses on mortgage so they can afford preparing for the test and then pay for visa process. college/university fees etc. Most Sikh youth I've talked to Panjab think living abroad is some fairytale where nothing can go wrong. 

I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting to move to another country but the way some fulfil "ambition" has broken social fabrics of Panjab. 

There are cases of contract/sham marriages in Panjab every other day. These are sometimes done through Anand Karaj. Lavan don't hold the same meaning and have become a business for some people. They're merely done for benefits where the couple divorces after taking the partner abroad. Sometimes it's the girl or boys families who are encouraging them to get into such marriages. A Panjabi Sikh even married his own sister at a Gurdwara so she could get a visa! 

There are advertisements for girls (can be young as 18) from less wealthy families who can score a good mark in the IELTS test and they're "contract" married to wealthier males who bear the expenses to travel to foreign countries. The groom can then get a partner visa and the couple usually divorces. There have been cases of domestic violence by the grooms families if the bride isn't able to score an adequate mark. Some females have also gone abroad alone on the groom's money and then completely blocked contact with them once they're out or send the grooms to foreign jails. There are also abandoned wives who are married to NRI's but get deserted after a few months. More than 3,300 such complaints have been filed by the cheated families with the Ministry of External Affairs by cheated families, 3000 of them are from Panjab.

Marriage has become a money-making scheme for people. I've personally seen some cases like these. 

According to this ‘contract marriage’ in Punjab, families of young men who want to settle abroad, enter into matrimonial alliance with girls who have passed IELTS. The groom’s family foots the bill for visa fee, overseas education fee, travel charges and overseas stay of the bride. This runs up to Rs 25 to 50 lakhs.The groom’s family spends money in the hope that she would ultimately get permanent residence there and then send spouse visa to her husband to go and stay with her in foreign land. Touts and local agents approach families of prospective grooms with details of girls who have cleared IELTS exam. 

Example of a contract marriage gone wrong 

“We got our son [Harpreet] married in July 2018. In January 2019, my daughter-in-law, who had scored well in the IELTS (International English Language Testing System), went to Canada on a study visa. After reaching Canada, she conveyed to my son that she did not want continue her relationship with him as she had plans to spend her life with another person,” Manjeet Singh, Mr. Harpreet’s father, told The Hindu. “It was a shock for the family. My son is in extreme distress. We have not yet come to terms with it. I spent around ₹28 lakh on the wedding, paid for her air tickets, the institute’s fees... we did not think such a fraud would be played on us.”

https://www.scoopwhoop.com/brother-sister-from-punjab-marry-australia-visa/

https://www.sbs.com.au/language/english/audio/ielts-brides-the-business-of-marriage-in-punjab

https://www.indiatoday.in/magazine/the-big-story/story/20190121-sham-marriages-revenge-of-the-brides-1427714-2019-01-15

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/other-states/punjabs-contract-marriages-are-not-marital-disputes-but-cases-of-cheating/article35799689.ece

https://www.sbs.com.au/language/english/foreign-dreams-what-s-driving-the-exodus-of-youth-from-punjab

https://thewire.in/politics/punjab-polls-whats-at-stake-as-parties-woo-the-young-with-promises-of-foreign-education

 

 

Oh my god thank you. Literally pisses me off when I see all this. This stuff is all business, not marriage. 

Our people should focus on building a good homeland in Punjab, actually create jobs their and make it them well paying and worth staying in. Create a better place.

And the entertainment industry, well we need another company that makes different type of movies from the classic, girl is abroad, boy is some random pendu from India, girl hates boy but boy likes girl and then comes the creepy following around and stalking and stuff, girl eventually likes the boy and they get married. Like bro, there is so much more different potential we have but nope, we just have to have these types of movies. 

52 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

I'm speechless for once. 

I don't even know what to think. I was literally crying to my mum about this a couple of minutes ago, it's disgusting.

WT F THAT KID WAS 14 WHAT DID HE EXPECT AND THAT WAS TO A MARRIED WOMAN. 

My heart breaks seeing her get tortured. And the fact that people were cheering just shows how fcked up India is, especially delhi. These people need to be given the nihang Singh treatment, not the police one because I highly doubt they would do anything. 

I feel like to prevent this situation in the future, Sikhs need to be fully armed as much as they can, there's nothing else to protect them, just get the 3ft kirpan out or the guns.

We never have amritdhari Sikhs pushing for this, we just have these people who 200 hundred years ago would not have been considered Sikhs pushing for this. It also seems like these people only care about this LGBT stuff when it comes to Sikh issues, whenever there is beadbi or anything actually important they remain silent.

Think I saw one of the trans blokes doing tobacco and weed and this stuff and then justifying it in the name of mental health, like yeah mate mental health is important, but you gotta stay in the line of Sikhi, they do all this kurehits and then find excuses, bro these excuses aren't gonna work when the dharamraj is gonna ask you about smoking and stuff.

It's because these congress and akalis promise things to certain people. I have family back in punjab and I remeber constantly trying to convince them to not vote for congress or akali but no luck, some of them you'd rather bash your head against a brick wall then try to argue with them, no use. They often promise them government jobs and stuff, in exchange for votes, otherwise the well paying government jobs are basically impossible to get, which is we have so many punjabi sikhs moving abroad, happen to a few of my second cousins. Another reason they vote for these akali and congress is because of 'connection'. A lol of people in my family have connections with them, some are related to them. So basically if you're out and you have the punjab police asking for stuff, and your missing a few papers or don't have a licence, they'll just call one of these politicians, pr pretend to, and get away without paying anything. In punjab, it's pretty difficult to get certificates, so if you ask one of the politicians, they'll make stuff 'easier'. Also, if you do illegal things, which is really common in punjab, a lot excape jail by calling one of these politicians. 

1 hour ago, GurjantGnostic said:

True. But your kids in that situation are going to be in schools and other places where a lot of this life crippling abuse takes place. 

That's the trade they've forced upon us. Both work, and have just enough money, but your kids belong to us.

I hear you on the money thing. In my mind I assume men are like me and turn everything over to the family or at least spend it wisely only on the family, putting themself last. 

The more extended and older a family group is the more all the younger people can work. 

Here's another concept. Don't want to try this with your family?

Get a Bunga going and have some one else's mother live with you. 

For me personally the historic and present extent of the types of abuses that we've all been enduring while being plugged into this system makes me want to put all my energy in a different direction. 

When I do have kids, which will be in like 15 years, I'm not going to work full time, I feel it's better to take time off work when they're really young and then work part time a few days a week until they're all at least 10-11. The husband can take an extra day off as well if that works. Then make sure to have as much time for them.

Men often do turn over everything to the family, and they often do place themselves last with money, but they abuse the power of them being the providers, and often they can do what ever the f they want around the house, say whatever they want, treat their wife however they want and then the wife can't do or say anything back because she has nothing,because he is the provider and because without him she can't go anywhere. Really messes the kids up, and often the son ends up thinking he can be like that when he's married, so you have the daughter basically have to make sure that the son ends up respecting women and being a decent human. 

In the future, I don't want to live under a roof with anyone else's mother. I have seen several families where you have one or both parents still working part time without any in-laws and still raising the kids well. I would love for parents and in-laws to help, they can live in the same neighbourhood or around us, but just not live under the same roof in the same house.