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3 hours ago, ipledgeblue said:

well we should respect sikhi by not calling it sikhism, which is a british colonial religious consturct

also hinduism term only existed from colonial times, and is a british colonial construct of combining different hindu and local traditions into the religion construct.

I did think that too because its rare for Sikhs to use the word Sikhism. In the west it's often used by non Sikhs or in textbooks or as you mentioned coined by the colonial Christian's. 

To quote something I read "It was long ago during the British Raj that some english writers tagged -ism to Hinduism, Jainism, Sikhism, Judaism and Budhism referring to them as inferior religions to their own. You certainly do not see it tagged to Christianity, Islam, or the Jewish religions"

 to answer the original poster ...of course all religions are closely  related,  in the sense they all to varying extents connecting the individual to the Creator. 

yes Gurbani mentions all those things and uses many terms which are common to the languages used in that part of the word. But theres no doubt  Guruji exposes many practices of the other religions which dont align to Gurmat.

The kakkars are our angs, a Sikh is never without them. Some quotes below but I did read one some time ago, it was something along the lines of:

Bina shashter kesang na devo deedaray... anyone know where it may be from, possibly an old rehitnama.

Kachh Kirpan Kabhu n teeaagey.
Sanmukh larey n ran te bhaagey.
Shastr Heen n kabhu hoee.
Rehat vant Khalsa he soee.
(rehatnama Bhai Desa Singh ji)

ਸ਼ਸਤਰ ਹੀਨ ਕਬਹੂ ਨਹਿ ਹੋਈ, ਰਿਹਤਵੰਤ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਸੋਈ ॥Those who never depart his/her arms, they are the Khalsa with excellent rehats

rehatnama Bhai Desa Singh ji

ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾਣ ਪਾਣ ਧਾਰੀਯੰ ॥ ਕਰੋਰ ਪਾਪ ਟਾਰੀਯੰ ॥

"The mark of a Khalsa is one who holds a Kirpan in hand,

by the wearing of which millions of sins are abolished."

Sri Dasam Granth 

1 hour ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Does it render you incapable of saying Jagi?

Give him a break bro , he's going thru a tough time and your still on his case about that

On 1/13/2021 at 3:03 AM, singhsince1981 said:

GujrantSingh, since u r a convert. In order to take full benefit. I recommend u learn Gurmukhi & Punjabi and live in Punjab, in a Punjabi culture to understand the emotions behind this dharma. Otherwise you will not get the full taste of Sikhism.

English translations, kathas are good. But you need to listen to kathas from the mouths of pooran brahmgyanis(Full Enlightened person). 
 

 

Not entirely correct brother. Theres punjabi who haves got the taste of Sikhi so it's down to the individual and Gurus blessings. To say that Sikhi can only be understood in punjabi isnt correct and theres a benefit to not have the punjabi culture influence in some cases. Obviously theres a strong connection to that region and that will always be the case due to it ithaas.

Yes Gurmukhi needs to be learnt and gurbani pronounced correctly to understand the message and also benefit from the kirtan and shabad vibrations.  But Naam that resides in us is universal and is not restricting. Vaheguru  is accessible to all.

The Gurus light and love blessed all souls regardless of east , western, rich, poor, animals etc

I'd suggest agan bhet both the photos and gurbani out of adab and sarkar. Respect and Sharda is something you can develop within and bring yourself to not bin them. 

Dont feel like your saving the environment by recycling a few photos

I'm all for the recycling of things day to day but also dont fall for the whole if you burn something you dont care for the environment.

 The west while plundering the world for so many years now sell us the great sustainability thing to fool us. All the world pollution was initiated by the west until it got so bad they are now trying to paint the whole 'caring for the earth'.

But instead they make us believe that recycling the milk bottle means we are being sustainable  while they continue  to pollute at an unimaginable rate without and concern for the earth.

But back to the topic, your Saas is right on this one.

8 hours ago, Koi said:

Bump. Anyone here tried it?

I checked out the website, (not to try) but see what it says. It's just launched as a new business but states it helps 1000s get matched. Why not be honest and say it's a start up and what they are doing to grow. You may find that you pay a subscription and theres not many ppl registered. 

However its wishful thinking for businesses  to be credible, they just want one thing $£€. 

Side note, be careful about sending copies of your identification and uploading  details.  Where are these details stored? UK, india? Are they secure? Data protection? I suppose  one doesn't have a choice, you got to be verified.

That's just my two cents, but iv no experience using any of these type of sites and nothing personal  against  this one. Maybe via family/friends is still a better way?

4 minutes ago, ManpreetKaurr said:

Not sure what you really mean but 

1st pahar day = 12 am till 3 am

2nd pahar day = 3 am till 6 am 

3rd pahar day = 6 am till 9 am

4th pahar day = 9 am till 12 pm

1st pahar night = 12 pm till 3 pm

2nd pahar night = 3 pm till 6 pm 

3rd pahar night = 6 pm till 9 pm

4th pahar night = 9 pm till 12 am

I might be wrong. Please correct me 

 

 

 

Yeah, this is the the pahar in terms of timing.

But in terms of day and night:

Day = the four pahars that fall between 6am and 6pm.

I heard a katha about this too I'll see if I can find it.

I think Gurdwaras should be open, and seva of Maharaj and the sangat should continue. Sangat should be able to do darshan whether it is the end of the world, aliens invading (if you get my point), war, pandemics or anything else until the last man standing.

We don't abandon our Guru, the Gurdwara is where we go to collectively  pray, serve and do ardas for Maharaj to save us from all pains and illnesses and lok parlok ki rakhiya.

At the same time I do think we must do everything in-line professional/medical advice. So must limit numbers inside depending on the building size, sanitise all surfaces, ask sangat so take all the precautions, 2m distance etc, sanitise hands, confirm they dont have symptoms, maybe even track and trace? So at least it meets the requirements.

If all done properly, people are safer than when doing there shopping or other activities.

Many Gurdwaras have done this really well and it's been absolutely  outstanding how organised they have been......others perhaps took a while to adapt

On 7/7/2013 at 6:02 AM, 13Mirch said:

Along with Guru Granth Sahib and Dasam Granth the Khalsa has one more Granth, Sarbloh Granth or the all iron* Granth. Sarbloh is a fitting name for the Granth as this age, which we live in today, is known as "Kal-yug" (the dark age) and also the Sarbloh age. Especially due to its heavy reliance on metals. The history of the Granth is spaced over a period ranging from "Sat-yug" (age of truth) to our present age. The creation of the Granth began in Sat-yug at Nanded where Hazoor Sahib is located today. Oral tradition states that Sanyasi Brahma-Anand in Sat-yug lived at Nanded and compiled the Granth after the events which he saw during his Bhagti. As he was leaving his physical form his nine disciples asked him for mukti or liberation. Brahma-Anand told them that even though he was liberated he could not grant liberation, only Guru Nanak Dev Ji could do that. Yet maharaj's time was very distant. He would only be manifested in Kal-yug. He told his nine disciples that when Guru Nanak Dev Ji came in his tenth form (Guru Gobind Singh Ji) only then would they receive liberation. When the disciples asked how they would identify Guru maharaj, Brahma-Anand gave them his gutka and did ardass that when Guru Gobind Singh Ji came in Kal-yug he should ask for the gutka until then all nine would not be affected death or any other worldly matter. Hence maharaj met the nine in Kal-yug at Nanded, received the gutka from them and granted them liberation. To this gutka he added his own compositions and it was this which became Sri Sarbloh Granth.

Many Gursikhs and Udasi scholars have undertaken an extensive study of the Granth and concluded it is from the hands of Guru Gobind Singh Ji. However it may contain verses from other poets similar to Bhatt Bani in Gurbani. Sarbloh in this case is being used as a name for the lord.

Not only is the Granth in praise of the power of the lord it also includes references to the present form of the Khalsa. It boldly answers the doubts raised on the 5 Kakkars today.

Sri Sarbloh Granth Tika, Second Volume, page 495
ਸ੍ਰੀ ਸਰਬਲੋਹ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਟੀਕਾ, ਭਾਗ ਦੂਜਾ, ੪੯੫

ਅਕਾਲ ਪੁਰਖ ਕੀ ਆਗਯਾ ਪਾਇ, ਪ੍ਰਗਟਿ ਭਯੋ ਰੂਪ ਮੁਨਿਵਰ ਕੋ ॥
By the command of Akal Purkh, [the Khalsa was created] with the form of [sacred] Muni's.*

*Ascetics.

ਜਟਾ ਜੂਟ ਨਖ ਸਿਖ ਕਰ ਪਾਵਨ, ਭਗਤ ਸੂਰ ਦ੍ਵ ਰੂਪ ਨਰਵਰ ਕੋ ॥
With the long hair from the topnot to the nail of the toe, like a Muni, and the form of both a devoted worshipper [bhagat] and warrior [soor].

ਚਕ੍ਰਵੈ-ਪਦ ਦਾਤ ਧੁਰਿ ਪਾਯੋ, ਧਰਮਰਾਜ ਭੁੰਚਤਿ ਗਿਰਿਵਰ ਕੋ ॥
The 'Chakarvarti Raj' [Kingdom which is victorious wherever the Army is present] has been given by the Lord, not even Dharamraj has been given such a high status

ਉਦਯ ਅਸਤ ਸਾਮੁਦ੍ਰ ਪ੍ਰਯੰਤੰ, ਅਬਿਚਲ ਰਾਜ ਮਿਲਯੋ ਸੁਰਪੁਰ ਕੋ ॥੪॥
From where the sun rises to where it sets, across all the oceans, [The Khalsa] has received the timeless Raj [kingdom] from Sachkhand

ਪੰਥ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਭਯੋ ਪੁਨੀਤਾ, ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਆਗਯਾ ਕਰਿ ਉਦਿਤ-ਭਏ॥
The Panth Khalsa has been created Pure, under the permission of the Lord, [the Khalsa] is shining bright [of purity]

ਮਿਟਯੋ ਦ੍ਵੈਤ ਸੰਜੁਗਤਿ ਉਪਾਧਿਨਿ ਅਸੁਰ ਮਲੇਛਨ ਮੂਲ ਗਏ॥
Duality [in the mind] was destroyed, they attained the highest position and became One [with the Lord], the root of their bad *[asur malech] qualities were destroyed.

*Asur [demons] Malech [invaders] can also refer to the Turks at the time who were destroyed by the Khalsa. Or an enemy/opponent that is prevalent today and is attacking the Khalsa or the weak and the poor. Many translate this to be cow-killers. Cow in Gurmat is a symbol for the defenseless, not the beast itself.

ਧਰਮ ਪੰਥ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਪ੍ਰਚੁਰ-ਭਯੋ, ਸਤਿ ਸ਼ਿਵੰ ਪੁਨਯ ਰੂਪ ਜਏ ॥
The manifestation of Panth Khalsa's Dharam [was created], they are the form of truth, liberation and purity.

ਕਛ, ਕੇਸ, ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾਨਨ ਮੁਦ੍ਰਿਤ, ਗੁਰ ਭਗਤਾ ਰਾਮਦਾਸ ਭਏ॥੫॥
Kach, Kesh, and Kirpan – these three signs made followers of the Guru the servants [also] of the Lord

ਕਾਲ ਉਪਾਸਕ ਛਤ੍ਰਿਯ ਧਰਮਾ, ਰਣ ਕਟਿ ਕਸਿ ਪ੍ਰਧਾਨ ਅਏ॥
Worshipers of Death and followers of the Kshatriya way*, wearing a waistband [kamarkasa] they [the Khalsa] are the supreme warriors.

*The way of the TRUE warrior as ordained by Guru maharaj. Not the Hindu warrior caste.

It is said that while the panth respected and recited from Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Dasam Granth and Sarbloh Granth it was in "Chardi-Kala" (or high spirits). However with the advance of the British and an all out attack by Brahminical forces the Dasam Granth and Sarbloh Granth were slowly forgotten and hence the Khalsa lost it's source of "Bir-Rass" or warrior spirit.

The Granth is divided into five chapters. It notes the power of Akal Purakh and how he created demons to remind the Gods and Goddesses of their status and place in the religious hierarchy, with him God being at the top.

‘In the time of Satjug in order to humble the Devte (God inclined beings), Akaal Purakh (the Timeless being) created a mighty demon called Brijnath who defeated the Devte and became ruler of the three worlds. Listening to the plea of the Devte, Akaal Purakh came to the earth as Sarbloh Avtar to defeat Brijnath. Sarboh (pure metal) serves as a reminder of this great symbolic event and purifies the mind, body and soul. For this reason its properties and practical application plays an important part of the Khalsa’s traditions .’

(Nihang Sher Singh, Audio Recording June 2009).

Five chapters of the Granth:

Chapter One:
This chapter contains the praises of Akal-Purakh and his shakti. It also starts of the tale of the Gods and Goddesses and their foes, the demons. On seeing the rise of the demons all the gods and goddesses run under the protection of Chandi, for it was she who had defeated the demon Bhimnad.

Chapter Two:
Waheguru has created Bhimnad and his brother Brijnath. Bhimnad's wife over the defeat of her husband prepares to become a sati, while Brijnath prepares for war against the Gods and Goddesses.

Chapter Three:
The demons inflict a smashing defeat on their opponents. Vishnu sends as his ambassador, Narad to negotiate with Brijnath. The latter however is in no mode to listen. Especially since in the beginning of the battle he lost 11 infantry armies.

Chapter Four:
A massive battle starts in which Vishnu gives amrita (elixir) to te fallen Gods and Goddesses in order to raise them. Indira manages to capture the demons but this victory is short-lived especially when Brijnath caputres him.

Chapter Five:
After encountering massive pain and a humiliating defeat all the Gods and Goddesses plead before Akal Purakh to assist them. Akal Purakh manifests himself as Sarbloh Avtar and chooses Ganesha as his ambassador. Ganesha is sent to Brijnath as Sarbloh Avtar's ambassador. Brijnath once more ignores an ambassador and the battle restarts. The Gods and Goddesses use all their powers to call on Sarbloh for assistance. Sarbloh gives assistance to both demon and God alike. Brijnath soon starts praising him, it is then that Sarbloh manifests himself in a aggressive and terrifying form. In the battle which ensues Brijnath is vanquished and annihilated.

The Granth should not be interpreted as being solely a record of mythical battles. It depicts, metaphorically, the continuous battle between good and evil which occurs in accordance with the lord's will and joy. It is also a genealogy of warrior clans which have perished over time. It is a commen misconception that "Khalsa-Mehma" (praises of the Khalsa) is found in Dasam Granth. In reality it is found in Sarbloh Granth. The Granth pays homage to Akal Purakh and his power and the Khalsa which is his army and a physical embodiment of him.

Nanded, today, contains many birs of Sarbloh Granth which are historically important such as Mai Bhag Kaur's Bir; which is in the hands of Guru Sahib himself.

thanks for this.

Does anyone have access to an english translation? Some of the links in the thread aren't working anymore.

Also if theres any recommended easy to follow katha link of Sri Sarbloh Granth please do share

On 1/1/2021 at 2:41 AM, Guest GuestMidlands said:

WJKK WJKF

My gf and I met at University 4 years ago. We plan to get engaged and then married within the next 2 years. 

My gf feels strongly that she doesn't want to move into my family home with my parents after marriage and feels we should get our own home ASAP. She has met my mother and gets along with her well. My mum wishes for a close relationship with her, but we all know how mother in law and daughter in law relationships can get.

I feel financially the best decision would be to stay with my parents long enough to save for a deposit for a home we actually want rather than settling for less, just to get away.

I was wondering if I could get some advice from the sangat about what Sikhi says about this and what they feel the right thing to do would be.

WJKK WJKF

Best thing to do is for you both to sit down with both of your parents and discuss the intention for engagement and your intention to marry in 2 years. And the desire to move out , they can guide, support or advise accordingly.

That way you can make an informed decision. Traditionally ppl would live with parents but if your not going to then it's good to have them on board of what you'd both like to do.

Unfortunately  no one can make the decision for you and it's not set in stone what is the right path for everyone. You can still love and support parents if you did move out. You both need to know what you want and what's good for you. I know couples who stayed home then things didn't work and they moved out, they should of just moved out from the beginning.  But others who did the opposite. You may want to see how accommodating  your family will be. Is she compatible  with the family way of life? If not then moving out is best. Also what do you want? I'd say invite yours and her family  in these conversations to sound off things.  

But as others have said above make sure your both ready and mature enough  for the commitment. 

Take Guru Sahibs blessings each step of the way. Some ppl have a Paath at the Gurdwara for families to meet for the engagement. 

Really sad to hear this. Unfortunately  we hear this sort of thing more and more these days. It takes years for people to get over these things and our community often isn't great  at supporting people who go through this.

Many ppl end up isolated and have to deal with it alone.

Does abyone wear large (thick, chunky) sarbloh karas as opposed to the normal thin ones? 

Seeking sangats experiences, are there people who wear them all the time and keep them on at all times?

Has anyone had any issues going through airports? Do they need to be removed if a certain size?

What about at work? Whilst it doesnt matter what people think and always have to explain etc. Should there be consideration for the size of the kara?

Amazing katha, Giani Ji is very inspiring, thank you

This is a old thread from 2012 but dont think at the time saroops were available in Uk, Usa,Canada etc.

 Does anyone know if its possible to get Sri Dasam Granth and Sri Sarbloh Granth in the Uk, whether its the full saroops, pothis, steeks? 

On 12/17/2020 at 1:29 PM, jkvlondon said:

no! a suicider is not a shaheed ...however this was a murder so yes he was a shaheed. People who know his handwriting have denounced this 'suicide note'  non sikhs may be fooled but we are not so lily-livered to not face up to difficulties , remember Baba ji was the one giving farmers honsla to fight for their rights rather than kill themselves , so why would he kill himself ? try to be logical

Saints who are very much one with Vaheguru have full awareness of the coming and going. Baba Ram Singh Ji was one of those great saints. It wasnt murder nor suicide.

If your response is limited and understanding is short sighted then you wont be able to explain the actions of such a person.

In some countries the law provides exemptions for Sikhs to wear their dastar on construction sites and when riding a motorcycle.

There isnt an exception in the marayada.

It would need to be your personal choice depending on the circumstances. Some ppl wear a bandana to train in martial arts or sports but tie full dastar at all other times.

On 11/30/2020 at 9:27 PM, Akalifauj said:

Knock, knock anyone there

Original post is talking about Sikh camps and wrongs that happens there.  Did you want to find a girlfriend at a Sikh camp and I'm crampin on your player 

Clearly immature, and not worth engaging with further, certainly not living up to your user name. 

12 hours ago, Akalifauj said:

When you want to kill a discussion.  Say these exact words with the emphasis on telling the other you are judgemental. 

Some people want to see sikh youth go in the wrong direction.   Let's not talk about all the bad that needs to be changed at sikh camps.  Keep it under the rug until some girl gets pregnant and then we can sip on our cha and gossip about what happened.   This is way more entertaining than telling No!

 

If you created a new post about what needs to change at camps or 'a girl getting pregnant' then thats something different and would be a different response.

3 hours ago, ManpreetKaurr said:

I don't know but at times if I have done a mistake, I really feel guilty and bad and I really wish to repent it. I deserve to apologise to you because I definitely have done a mistake. Maharaj kirpa karan sab de upar 

You may want to consider reflecting and seeing if your able to forgive yourself. Carrying guilt is really unhealthy. Obv doesnt mean we just go around doing anything, but often guilt can stop us progressing spirituality. Remember only the Guru is perfect, we are always making mistakes.

On 11/26/2020 at 7:30 AM, ManpreetKaurr said:

I definitely am a paapi because I know I have done mistakes and I'm not perfect either. While writing this, I did not have the ego to boast about how gyaani I am but i just wanted to express my disappointment because while walking on the path of sikhi, I wanted many other youths too to be walking too. Anyways, speaking to the sangat, I always get to learn something new and I will definitely not repeat any mistakes that I commit. I'm so sorry if there is any misunderstanding or if there was too much of ego in me. I'm not a mahapurkh to have myself fully control over all vices.

No need to apologise sis, i didnt mean you personally just talking generally and perhaps to myself! 

2 hours ago, ManpreetKaurr said:

I believe I can never change someone unless they themselves want to change. All that I can do is pray that maharaj does his kirpa and bring back those youths that are running away from sikhi and those who have gone off track. 

Gurbani teaches us to look at our augan and fix ourselves. Ultimately we dont want to be casting judgement, with his kirpa a sinner can be blessed in an instant, but those who are casting judgement and doing everything 'right' may have a bigger ego and not receive the blessing...... we really can't explain all scenrios but best to change yourself and be in good safe sangat. 

Ppl go through many changes in behaviour and priorities as they grow up.