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2 minutes ago, Jassu said:

Dude idk. Scamming gene is in all Indians DNA, depends on what triggers it for it to reveal itself lmao.

 

Do you think its party due to poverty? 

6 minutes ago, Jassu said:

Yes Muslims are degenerate and disgusting. A lot of Muslim women partake in anal sex and hymen repair surgery. This sh!t ain’t popular with Sikhs

Have you seen how much plastic surgery they get in the middle east.

6 minutes ago, Jassu said:

Bro just watch 90 day fiancé. You will see fat white women getting scammed and converted by Muslim men. lmao 

Bruh I literally dont give a damn about whites , we should leave them to their own fate. Also a lot of these shows are scripted and many of them leave islam too. Just look at how many Iranians are atheist here in Canada. 

1 minute ago, Jassu said:

I heard Gypsies came from Punjab and apparently Gypsies are scammers in europe 

So scamming is in our DNA?

Show me one liberal muslim who has agreed to allow non muslims be married in mosques I'll wait. Even our gurudwaras break every sikh rehat during anand Karaj. Can such beadbi be allowed in islamic mosques. Please I'll wait. A religion in which the preachers themselves see nothing wrong with doing so much beadbis what are you teaching to your next generation? that it's fine to not follow rehat. Liberal muslims break Islamic rules knowing what they are doing is wrong. Whereas <banned word filter activated> low iq sikhs break rehat and act like they are doing an act of revolution.

23 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

This naivety on your part that I appreciate stems from religious preachers and figureheads is why we'll end up extinct.

What pure form of Sanatan Hindu dharam was niece-fondling, racist Bald Gandhi practicing when he managed to maneuver himself into such powerful positions? What khattar form of Islam was Jinnah following when his pork and alcohol consuming self managed to wrangle a country for his co-religionists?

Yet Sikhs are expected to have the spiritual knowledge, morals, and ethics of 10 Gurus coupled with the martial prowess of Baba Deep Singh before they're even given a sniff of leadership. That's unless you happen to be a celebrity; then you be whatever you feel like as long as you dress up and get the proles over-excited at a rally.

Today's Sikhs will never be mini-Guru Sahibs and we certainly should never aspire to be nachne-tapne people. Relinquish this delusion because with every passing year we are arriving closer to the end.

 

You forget one thing liberal muslims always are in favour of islam just less rigid in following rules but liberal sikhs are mostly atheist types and will break every rehat and even go against their own to fit in and assimilate as can be seen from liberal sikh discourse in the west. How many liberal muslims speak against islamic attrocities all over the muslim world? Liberal Sikhs and muslims no comparison. 

2 minutes ago, Jassu said:

Lol when you think about it a lot of Jatts joined sikhi because of the zamindar system. I wonder if jatts would leave sikhi if given chances for more land and money. Lmao pathetic 

I think in truth there have been very few real sikhs. Most of these people converted for benefits and when trouble fell and sikhi couldnt provide them benefits now they move onto other religions for benefits. How many people are willing to suffer the most torture possible for their faith? Like 0.0000001%. 

16 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

What seems INSANE to me when people say such things is that essentially it sounds like: "These other people accept slavery and oppression, people within our own society should do the same too."

It completely glosses over the fact that Sikh society emerged to combat and get away from these very things. Please think about it, you're saying that oppressed Sikhs should just quietly accept their lot. How is that going to work when the whole ethos of Sikhi is to confront and combat such oppression? And what effect does it have on people when certain people try and normalise such stank hypocrisy?     I think some just (understandably) after many generations give up on any chance of equal treatment and leave. Why not focus on changing those who are so invested in perpetuating such gross inequalities amongst our own panth?  

We are not saying that its happening there so it should be allowed in sikhi. They convert to christianity where white Christians are racist against black and brown Christians. They convert to a religion that was forced on different continents. So how are they escaping inequality? Conversion to christianity provides then benefits and money. Let's say the truth.

1 minute ago, dallysingh101 said:

It isn't just so-called 'low castes', hordes of juts are converting. When people play down systemic discrimination within the panth (and in essence let it fester and grow) we just end up creating an even more dysfunctional, disunited society. This stuff has serious, deep, long term consequences that don't do us any favours.   

That is literally what I'm saying . People are not converting just because of casteism but money plays a big role in it. They are converting for money as can be seen from conversions of jutts. But alot of people hide that they are converting for benefits.

4 minutes ago, Jassu said:

Turkey is a unique case. Turkish immigrants that live in europe or other western countries are closer to Islam and erdogan than actual Turks living in turkey. I feel this is the same with us Sikhs.  

That is why I gave the example of turkey. Our case is similar to theirs kind of. So it's not Islam but the fact that most of these people grow up in pro islam countries with barely any non muslims so they are not influenced by other ideologies and become strong in their religion.

Just now, dallysingh101 said:

I think you're playing down systemic caste oppression over many generations, what you are saying is very wrong, it's not a simple matter of people leaving Sikhi because of mere songs. There is a whole exclusionary ar5ehole culture in effect here that makes them do what they do.  

Plus, some of our people might be different to sullay who just take it from the arabs. Even then I've heard many paks sl@g off arabs. 

The point is that I'm not saying that there has been no centuries old caste discrimination. But now the casteism excuse is also being used by money greedy people to hide why they are doing certain things. 

2 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

It's not just songs though is it. Movies, gurdwaras and politics are wrapped around this nonsense. A whole low brow, dumbed down fake 'gangsta' culture has emerged from it. Meanwhile others are making BIG moves like developing weapons and tech. Taking over industries and whatnot.  Even India has managed to become to the go to place for europeans and others to send satellites into space.  Look at JCB and how that has developed over there.

And you're wrong to make out like it is just simple songs, a whole culture antithetical to Sikh soch has developed from it. Own goal for the panth.   

Like I said I was giving a small example. I'm not sure jatts do things to non jatts in punjab what these gulf muslims do to south asian muslims. Alot of them even die living in those conditions. Yes its promoted everywhere and I hate it.

1 minute ago, dallysingh101 said:

A lot of people are attracted to discipline and a stable social structure where they are part of a big group perceived to be an alternative/challenge to the mainstream. Our lot have been misled, and getting knocked left and right since the annexation. Sullay recognise who is working against them quickly (they are hawkish like that) many of our lot routinely get duped by other players, or just sell out to them for self-serving purposes.  

Alot of muslims leaders of gulf countries support jews and israel too. It's not like they dont have traitors. 

6 minutes ago, Jassu said:

True. I think Christianity isn’t as strong because they also care about their ‘tribe’ or nationality more so to speak. Korean christians think they are better than european Christians. A Christian in Italy is way different than one in the UK. Same with the US. However for Muslims only Islam unites them. Look how blind and stupid Pakistanis are; they are so proud of Islam despite Arabs looking down on them. Because they only care about Islam.

Bro Arab muslims hate black and brown muslims what unity are you talking about. Have you seen the conditions of south asian muslim workers in gulf countries. They are treated as slaves and apne say songs with jatt word in them cause people to leave sikhi from other castes. We are too soft. Not saying these non sense songs are good. 

1 minute ago, dallysingh101 said:

I think this is very true. 

Plus now we have satellite communities that can develop outside of solely indian influences. It has its benefits and potential. No one said it will be easy. We need that headstrong warrior mentality to grow.  

Lol we are safe in other countries right?