Deepthinking22

No it wasn't! It was the other way round. Yardies and then some general black elements were intimidating Asians for years. It's a similar thing what I explained about the Somalis. But the Pakistanis started fighting back. The allegation of the black girl getting sexually assaulted was in the end unfound. What did Blacks do? Go and attack every Asian in sight. If it was the other way round and say there were allegations that Blacks had raped an Asian girl and over 100 Asians got together and started attacking every black in sight and all of their businesses etc, would that not be racist? I said it in an earlier post, Gurdwaras were shot at and random Asians in cars were shot at too. The West Indian getting killed (I recall only one by the way, not two) was obviously sad (it was a full on riot at this point) but I recall hearing about an Asian who was killed in the violence too. Conveniently, that was omitted from most major articles and news stories on the incident.

No one including me are not saying 'most'. What we are highlighting is that there is a problem from a subsection of these communities that needs to be talked about without getting shamed for it. It is not limited to 2 out of 50 million African Americans or 'one lone mixed race guy' lol. As DallySingh has pointed out, it differs by area. But there is a legit problem from this community to other ethnic minorities. I have personally experienced racism from Blacks and have had friends who went to war with West Indian and Somali crews over racial issues where the Blacks instigated it. For God's sake, my Sociology teacher even taught the class back when I was in college about a similar case where Jamaicans started attacking Indians (it was actually even included in a textbook from what I remember), the Punjabi boys fought back and ended up with criminal records etc. You can't deny these facts just because 'you have never experienced any of it'. You scroll through youtube videos and reddit, you have scores (I have seen literally close to a thousand over the years) of American born Chinese, Indians and even Mexicans complaining about the most racist experiences they ever encountered were from black guys in school growing up getting bullied with racial slurs and physically attacked, mugged etc. You simply cannot deny this. To do so is evil. The mixed race racism to Asians is also and mainly stemming from the simple fact we are getting a double whammy of prejudice (when they are prejudice that is) from the white side of the family and the black side. You really really underestimate and don't understand how Asians are seen as 'the other'. These two communities will often gang up on Asians together (not talking only gang stuff here, but in general life too, not mixing even in work situations etc). The Somalis used to be attacked and bullied by West Indians when they arrived in this country. But the tables have turned now.

Any sane person can see Jassu has not said anything remotely racist about blacks. Why is it that when Indian Racism to Blacks is highlighted, you will have no problem agreeing with it yet when Black to Asian racism happens, all you can resort to is calling the victims racists? You should be absolutely and utterly ashamed of yourself. May be you are not even Indian but Black yourself? Guys, I knew we were going to have 'the good old intelligent mature thought out response/argument of you guys are racist', I mean I was waiting for it, but this guy has just taken it to another planet, lmao. Oh my days, I am speechless at this point.

Your experience is not reflective of every other South Asian there is. It doesn't represent all of our experiences. I know of black people who have never encountered racism their whole life and their view on racism massively differs to other blacks who have. It doesn't mean it's not there. Let's leave the anti Sikh thing from Blacks for a moment. The main problem we are talking about is an anti Asian and anti anyone who isn't black problem. Sikhs will naturally fall into this anyway. Have you not heard of the StopAsian Hate movement? You must have come across it. Scores of East Asians have been getting attacked and even murdered the last couple of years and blacks have disproportionately been the perpetrators. Black on non black racism is not a new thing and it has been tried to be talked about for years. It's got nothing to do with 'a couple of Richmond Hill incidences'. So you have no problem calling Pakistanis racists towards blacks but get immensely triggered when we highlight it happens the other way round? You are excusing Black racism to Pakistanis because of a Pakistanis attitudes towards them? My friend, have you heard of the term you can't fight fire with fire. Plus where does it start and where does it begin? I know of Pakistanis who are resentful of Blacks but that's because of the hate they got from them. But is that an excuse to justify it? No it's not, but that's what you have just said but the other way round. Your number 5 point has seriously made me cringe. What the hell has that got to do with anything we are talking about? So we should ignore the hate and murders happening to our community because black on black crime is a 'bigger issue'? Mate, sorry you are absolutely and utterly brainwashed by the wokesim leftist cult to some next degree!.

No one here or anywhere I know is stating that 50 million African Americans are racist to Indians/Asians lol. What we are highlighting is that there is a minority (I hope!) of black people WHO ARE very racist to Indians/Asians and this is not limited to a 'a couple of crackheads with mental issues that were caused by the White man' lol. There have been too many documented cases of this occurring over the decades and I and many others have personally experienced what I am talking about. It seems you have skimmed over everything in this thread since you last posted and only just repeated yourself. To bury your head in the sand about this issue and to not hold those account responsible is a very very dangerous stance to take and you are putting further Asian lives at risk. Sikh Coalition did not do it because of that, they did it because they are scared little Indians with no backbone and/or deluded. Blacks remain the 2nd largest perpetrators of hate crime in both the US and UK after whites. Significant sections of their communities have a very serious racism problem. These are official government facts.

I'm seeing this happen more and more with Indians sadly. I've lost count of the amount of Indian women in London who have said they will exclusively only date white guys. The main reason for this is propaganda by western media and entertainment etc. Our story bares some similarities to East Asians in the USA. We are being emasculated and being systematically segregated and erased from Media mainly sport and entertainment. An article came out not long ago showing the racism faced by Asians in the UK TV and Film industry (I work in Film and TV btw, not as an actor of course lol). An Asian actor described how he met an agent who said we will only ever cast Indians for geek roles. He then had an interview for a role with another agent who told him he is far too good looking for the role! They basically want to show us as shy, awkward, geeky ugly guys. Don't even get me started on football which I will probably start a whole new thread on one day. A black manager in football without hesitation said Asians have it far worse than blacks in football. Also, notice how the main High Street fashion brands never use Indian models. It's always black, white, mixed and now even East Asian but not Indians. Absolute joke. Look at JD sports for example. This was going on for decades. Now you may have a breakaway model because of BLM and diversity etc, but I'm yet to see one for JD for example. It's segregation, no other way to put it.

I'm not as old school as you, I came slightly after. But I know guys from back then and heard lots of stories, also did a lot of research. That's good to hear those boys are still tough, rough and ready. It's interesting you say that because whenever I look at that generation, who would have grown up around the NF days, many of them seem to have some flair about them that makes them seem much more alpha and 'hardened' then the younger generation (below me) of today. The way they carry themselves is gangster, even for middle aged guys lol. My generation is where it started to go downhill I reckon. You had boys who were aware and 'woke' for Asian issues but they were the minority. I think they are now at an all time low. I think a lot of the younger generation has been brainwashed by extreme left wing politics tbh. But I think if things carry on getting worse and worse, it's inevitable you are going to get an uprising again. You'd hope anyway. The difference and real problem now is cancel culture and social media and how quick it is to cancel, name and shame people whose views don't agree with yours.

I'm so glad you notice that, the difference between the N word and the P word and how it is still sometimes fully spelt out. I literally emailed dailymail about this recently lol. Exactly, I have a half Indian, half English friend and he's always going on about just get educated etc and forget the rest. But look where it's got us. When I show him the type of abuse and mockery we are getting in social media and wherever, he becomes more inclined to agree with me that you gotta fight on all fronts, not just becoming a doctor or whatever and pretending/believing you will be living happily ever after.

I agree, the rep has to be reversed. But it will only start getting reversed once we can start calling it out without being gaslighted by extreme left wing nuts and racist and/or deluded blacks. Coz, as of now, we are just 'meant to take it' and keep quiet about it. That's one of the things. The other thing is yeah as you say, you need to literally fight back.

Fair enough bro. But I don't think anyone was gonna do that here, I can say I for one, definitely wasn't going to. Also, those BC gangs/dealers aren't attacking Blacks in droves no matter what other criminal stuff they may be doing.

It's racism straight up. Remember the Lozzells riots up in Birmingham back in '05? The kaleh attacked the whole Asian community, they didn't give a damn if it was Muslims, Sikhs or whoever. They even shot at Gurdwaras and shot at Asians in cars. I knew a lad from Birmingham who told me some messed up stuff about it. Sikhs then further become easy targets because they stand out and may be don't have the rep of that they will fight back compared to say some street pakistani or something . I recently learnt how badly Indians had it on the infamous Broadwater Farm Estate in Tottenham back in the 80s/90s. The kaleh literally drove them out of that estate with constant racial attacks. It's the same estate this drill rapper is from and he calls us 'rasclart pakis' in his song. The tune literally has 2 million views and no ones batting an eyelid. Absolute flipping joke. Imagine it was the other way round? Lol. It's madness bro.

Not sure what the point of this post is tbh? We're talking about unchecked black racism here to our community (not general ghetto culutre/habits). Hope it's not an attempt to divert the topic or something.

Nah bro, I was born down South (Wandsworth) used to live in Clapham/Battersea but been living in Hayes most of my life.

Whatever the reason is, it's just straight up racism bro. No excuses can really be made for it (not sure if that was what you were doing). I also think a lot of the race hate from the mixed ones comes simply from us being different to them. I mean they are both black and white (two communities who have sections of their people who hate us) so it's no surprise you could end up with a double whammy from these types. A whole crew up in Leeds was made against Asians called the Paki Hating Crew. It was blacks and whites. The pakistanis in response made a gang called the Black and White hating crew. I remember when I was younger and not as confrontational as I later became, I was talking to a mixed race girl from my class on the bus and her mixed race friend came on too and asked me what do I want (when we knew each other anyway, me and the girl). I then heard him say to her ear, don't talk to him, he's not our kind. I experienced other things over the years and seen it happen to other people too. You are right about where Asians have been tough, theses things happen less. Tower Hamlets for example where back in the day the Bengalis had no problems going at it with the likes of the Yardies. I think in other areas such as Southall, Hayes or wherever, a lot of the time, the black on brown stuff isn't going on full on all the time yet it is still occurring in isolated cases. So half the time, apne aren't even fully aware they are being targetted for being Asian hence there is no proper uprising. However, I do remember meeting a Southall crew back in the day who gave the Somalis a proper hiding when the Somalis where <banned word filter activated> all the Indians for their phones. And like you said, the Somalis backed off a bit after that. Also knew some other boys who were having regular fights with some West Indian crew and yeah it was racial beef and the kaleh started it.

I've had issues and seen issues from all types of blacks tbh (including Africans, Somalis) but yeah especially West Indians. Yeah, the mixed races ones seem to be on another level. Hardly anyone knows this but the Altab Ali murder in the East End of London (the racist murder back in 79 that made the was the final straw for the Bengalis and which led to them mobilising and becoming militant) was actually carried out by a mixed race guy. He stated in his interview with police that if he saw a 'Paki' (any South Asian), he was gonna get it. The fact he was mixed race is always conveniently tactfully omitted from most articles etc, I wonder why. The racism from sections of the West Indian community is so extreme that their is actually an ongoing race war going on between them and Somalis in Camden which has resulted in some brutal murders. Think about it, if they are this racist to each other, imagine how they are going to feel about non blacks, Indians etc. It's such a huge underrated issue that needs to be addressed.

Well said!

So I've been lurking on the forum as a guest for a few weeks and I am absolutely appalled by the response of the far left to this issue. I was actually meaning on starting a similar thread on this topic and still probably will as I have so much to show and say. It's mindsets like SinghPunjabSingh that are actually a part of the problem. The racism from said community is much much more widespread than he thinks as this is happening in the UK too and is not at all limited to a handful of crackheads as suggested. No, this does not mean we should start 'hating' the community (I have to say this because brainwashed people will see this and think it means I am saying it is an excuse to hate them), but it 110 per cent needs to be called out!!! We should be able to call it out without being shamed. You have black drill artists in the UK using 'Paki' in their songs now too which is basically the N word for Asians. You have many racial attacks on Asians from Blacks in the UK let alone the USA (on East Asians and South Asians alike). But as I said, I am working on presenting how bad the issue is and why it is how it is so I am going to be starting a new thread in the coming week or so.