singh_1983

i called one of the numbers on the flyer because i wanted my nephews to go but the application date had passed............they said it was still OK for kids to apply up until the actual day of the camp.

well thats your opinion

you need to remember this is about celebrating 300 years gurgaddi of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, it was all for guru ji, personally you can never do enough on the celebrations for the king of kings!!

Check this out, 300 varieties of langar for 300 year celebrations. check out the pizzas at the end!! http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xbXSE2IFus0

got a copy from southall...good read...well done, something new!!

Hurry and get your applications in asap as we have had a great deal of interest and only a limited number of places remaining. are there any places left? im just in the process of getting my team together??

wat you need to undersatnd is that ther is always an ardas behind an akhand paat i've been to a gurdwara in india where the granthi did an ardas sayin "waheguru ji we are doin 5 akhand paats for the chardi kala of the panth"........and they wer all done in one darbar sahib together and in this case its for celebrating 300 years of Guru Granth Sahib Ji being our guru dont think thers anything wrong with that??

more Guru Granth Sahibs Jis mean more bani being read....how can that be a bad thing......and how can maharaj be disrespected if theres more than one.......thers one paati reading bani from each saroop....whers the disrespect!!! regarding matha tekhing to all the Maharaj Saroops.....why not....wats stopping anyone from matha tekhing to all the Maharaj Saroops?!?!? people just love making something outa nothing if you ask me!!

waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh if you can forward anything you have done by PM me. or if you pm me i will give u an email add to forward them to. Thank you for helping. waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh I am posting this message on behalf of a freind of mine, who is currently in the progress of doing some parchar on sikhi, and is in need of some help. Basically, his target crowd is those people who are not into sikhi, and do not go to the Gurdwara. He is looking to see if there is anybody out there who could possible help write some articles. The articles are to be 5-600 words long and on the following topics: [*]sikhism and science [*]The history of Hazoor Sahib [*]Guru Granth Sahib Ji is the living Guru [*]Respect of Guru Granth Sahib ji [*]The history of sikhs in the war [*]Maharja Ranjit Singh [*]The Mool Mantar [*]Sikh Wariors and anything else that you think would be relevant to the target audience. If anybody could please help, it would be gratefully appreciated. Many thanks Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

hareak cheez chak ke akj te na thok dea karo hahaha, thats true. I wont use the word AKJ but the jathaa started by Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh Jee is one of the golden moments of the history of Khalsa Panth. yeah yeah.....more the opposite if you ask me mate! think the akj have done a lot worse than this guy.

bani is perfect....you cant disagree with what bani says mate....if bani says its ok then its ok...........think ak47's last paragraph sums it all up perfectly..... "I thing true gursikhs/sants whatever you want to call them will know that worms like me NEED to serve them. Their daya/compassion allows them to be served so that perhaps i too can be saved. I dont think this affect their nimrata, because the true sant/gursikh/bhai/baba would be beyond the 'i' and as such ego and praise etc wouldnt effect them."

caught doing wat?? people like u think u know evrything coz u heard it or read it on the net.....if you knew anything about mahapursh you wudnt dare risk affecting your own jeevan with BS like this

I DOW KNO WA UR CHATIN ABOUT YEH CUZ NO1 HAS LEFT THE GURDWARA! THE ONLI REASON BRADFORD GURDWARA HAS LESS SANGAT IS BECAUSE OF THE MARAYADA THATS THE ONLY REASON THERE IS NO OTHER PROBLEM I DONT KNOW WHERE UR GETTING ALL THESE IDEA'S FROM!!!!!!! dont anyone that was there at the start that isnt now apart from pritum singh *( old jathedar) and sarban singh (old comitee member) king singh, i think ur suffering from a serious case of verbal diarroreah! now please, unless you have any real arguments to present stop boring us with nothing but crap.if you are a regular at bradford you will know that the sangat has declined dramatically over the years. and as for pritum singh and sarban singh, atleast these 2 adhered with the hukam of baba gian singh in regards to kulwinder singh, unlike the others, who let a pervert. speak on stage after mahapursh specifically said that they were never to be allowed again! is that true or not? i cant believe that after baba ji threw this individual out for so many years, that this peron is now the spokesman of the dera for you guys. on a serious level, how can you let this individual run you guys when you know baba ji threw him out?? P.S what form of spell check are you using? i think pot-kettle-black!!!

regarding the topic.....if Waheguru doesn't want you to see sum1 as a sant - u wont, if Waheguru does - then u will recognise them.....its all Wahegurus hukam....hope u all get wat i mean regarding the comments about Sant Baba Mann Singh Ji (Pehova Vale) by V, Waaheguroo and Singh Bling...............go and have a look at www.theworldofgurunanak.com and see what seva is being done around the world and yet u criticise Jus to add.....Sant Baba Mann Singh has organised an akand paat laree where over 200 akand paats have been taking place at the sametime....this has been continous for the last 2 years and babaji has said that it will never stop.....so think about it - 1 akand paat takes about 2 & half days, multiplied by 200 over 2 years...and still goin..... oh yeah and the reason for these akand paats is to celebrate 300 years of Guru Granth Sahib Ji and for "SARBAT DA PALAA" just thort id mention what sants are doin for you.....so you can think about what ur doin for them!

:gg: I am very sorry to hear that certain people have been upset with the thread around fake Baba's and cults. I am pleased that some Sikhs know the truth. In the latest issue of the Panjabi newspapers, the Oldbury Gurudwara Parbhandaks make it clear that Jeet Singh cult has left the samparda of Karm Singh Ji Hothi Mardaan & has become a Nirmal Bhekh Hardwari parcharak, these people are more Hindu than Sikh & are a cult they bathe at the Kumbh Mela & their leaders are called Pandits. If I have upset people with this dicsussion i am sorry but we as a nation need to stand up against these individuals as they are the enemies of Sikhi. Singhballer with all respect you are just another naive person who does not know what is really going on in India or the UK, I suggest you grow up & respect my informed opinion as a sister. Singh_1983 knows what the truth... May Vaheguru give you the strength to continue speaking the truth. by the way Sant Rosan Singh Samparda Karm Singh Hothi Mardan threatened legal action against both Jeet & Jaspal for using the name of the samparda under false pretences. Jeet has left mainstream Sikh and is a Hindu I'm sorry but I cannot agree to you calling me naive. You say I don't know what going on in India? Tell me have you even in your life even gone to Johalan Dera? Have you ever had the Darshan of the Sants? The only thing you know is what you've read in papers or what you have heard from Singhs in the Oldbury Gurdwara. You only know what you've learned from outer sources. Heres the History (I will give all the names of these people as soon as my Father returns) During the end of the life of Sant Gian Singh Ji and Sant Harbhajan Singh Ji, a few "sewadaars" were "helping" the Sants to attain more land and have the deeds to the land put under the name of the Dera. The land that is under the name of the Dera is crores per acre.. an mind boggling amount of money when looked at as a whole. These men extracted money from within the transactions made to aquire the land. Afterward while the land was being registered they tried to put the land under their familys name and inturn literally control the Gurdwaras assets. When the Sants learned of this trickery from people whom were trusted by them they immediately told them to leave the Dera not to ever to return.. in a sense they were barred from the Dera. Most of the people went back to the U.K.. and guess to which place?? That's Correct! Oldbury Gurdwara. This happened 4-5 years ago. The 3 Gurdwaras in the U.K which are credited to be made by the Dera were actually made by the people and not the Sants. When Sant Gian Singh Ji came to the U.K and Canada, the Sangats gave alot of Maya to Sant Ji. Sant Ji told the Sangat that he had not come to the west to collect money and told them to set up a Gurdwara where they could the Parchaar of Sikhi.. Thats how the Oldbury Gurdwara was made. They Dera NEVER in tries to take over the Gurdwaras in England. The Gurdwara was made by the Sangat for the Sangat and there has never been an approach made to take it over.. that is just a lie fed into the papers. Navtej paanji.. do you really trust the word of these decieving tricksters? Those people who were told to leave the Gurdwara then tried to get the land through the courts.. and so they tried to sue the Dera for the land. But how can a truthfull Dera of Sadhus whos sole occupation is Waheguru lose a a court case threaded with lies? The Dera won all cases againts them. These same people manipulated the Newspapers.. which is what everyone is reading. They fed in lies to demfame the current Sants and and the Dera.. but the Preemis of the Dera know the truth. These people put in article after article about the Sants saying this in court or ordering the beating of a person.. all lies. I don't blame any of you for what you have said about the Dera or Sants, as it just shows how great of a job these people have done. You say the Oldbury Gurdwara Prabandaks say that Sant Ji has left the Hoti Mardan Sampardha.. well these Prabhandaks are the same who were thrown out of the Dera 4-5 years ago. They are the same who give these report to the paper. My Father did seva at Johalan Dera every single day for 3 years. Someone here said that Sant Roshan Singh Ji stopped visiting Johalan Dera because of Sant Jeet Singh Ji. My father tells me that through that whole time he never had the Darshan of Sant Roshan Singh Ji at Johalan Dera, meaning that Sant Roshan Singh Ji never visited Johalan Dera. The only time Sant Roshan Singh Ji visited Johalan was when there was a Dastaar Bandi ceremony. The only time my dad has ever seen Sant Roshan Singh Ji was on the Dastaar Bandi of Sant Harbhajan Singh Ji.. and then obviously Sant Roshan Singh Ji came back to Johalan only 3-4 months later for the Dastaar Bandi of Sant Jeet Singh Ji and Sant Jaspaul Singh Ji after the passing of Sant Harbhajan Singh Ji Brakhath. My Father did seva hand and hand with Sant Jeet Singh Ji for 3 years! Would you rather trust Punjabi Papers or the opinion of a person who spent years with Sant Jeet Singh Ji about what kind of a person Sant Ji is? Both the Sants have an Uchi Avasthaa. All the Shakti of the former Sants is now within Sant Jeet Singh Ji.. they are true Sants. I plead with you to stop reading newspapers and listening to the cronies who call themselves Sikhs at Oldbury and ask people the actual TRUTH of the Dera. Ask Sant Jagjit Singh Ji Harkhowal Wale who are in the U.K right now too. If you really want to know about the Sants and Johalan Dera got to them and ask them.. plus they will surely give you the truth.. there can be no doubts about what they tell you. (I will edit my post to further give more information.. as soon as my Father returns :D ) 8 G.S waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh bhai sahib, i find your coments about the singhs from oldbury gurdwara and the fact the you claim that the dera does not want to have control of the gurdwaree in england obsurd to say the very least. you say you have the names of those people who tried to put the land of the dera in their own names, please provide their names. 2ndly, Jeet Singh has requested that the constituitions of all 3 ghurdwaree in england to be changed, of which bradford has agreed but oldbuy has not. oldbury gurdwara has changed the constitution as far as saying that if the gurdwara was ever to be closed down for what ever reason, the property of the gurdwara should be given to the akaal takht, the supreme throne of the sikh panth. Jeet Singh has tried to change the punj singhs that run the gurdwara, something which very rarely has occured in the past, in my recolection this has only occured once before in the history of the gurdwaree. it has to be asked why these singhs are being removed. when previous singhs have been removed from seva it has been due to mistakes that the sevadars have made, not just for the fun of it. the new commitee is now being run by the famous sheergill, the one who had control of smethwick gurdwara for many years. sheergill with the other new sevardars are now attempting civil action against those individuals that refuse to go against the hukam of the oldbury sangat. the hukam of the sangat, is to run the gurdwara how it has been running for the previous years. you claim the gurdwara was made for the sangat, if this is the case, please let the sangat run the gurdwara as the sangat requests. the individuals who have run the gurdwara for the last 20odd years have been doing itwith the blessing of the sangat. the new committee that Jeet singh has chosen do not even do seva at oldbury, and have not been doing so for the last few years. sheergill, ragi harkeeval singh and the other recruits from cov, lesta, etc have not been doing nishkam seva for the last 5-10 years, with sum doing no seva watsoever, but still love coming to the gurdwara to try and force their way in. your father has not seen sant roshan singh at johalaan, but this does not devalue the position and respect the baba ji holds, afterall baba ji did the dastar bandi of varakat ji, and in one of the photos of te dastar bandi you can see sant harbhajan singh ji bowing down to touch the feet of baba roshan singh ji. this shows he respect that the mahapurshs of johalaan have held for the mahapurks of hoti mardaan. i hope baba ji is watching everything that is going on 2day, and the truth prevails. baba ji had love for simran n seva, that is why we see the rehat maryada of the gurdwara being so strict, as mahapurck wanted seva to be done how it should be. may the gursikhs keep their love for doing seva of the sangat, and not forget that this is the most improtant thing here. the thing that baffles me the most, is why would jeet singh want to change how the gurdwaraa have been run. the old saying of..."if its not broke, dont try to fix it" springs to mind. hopefully the truth prevails. and bhai sahib, i am some1 who has been fortunate to have the darsham of baba gian sinh ji, baba harbhajan singh ji, and have also met Jeet Singh ji. i have been to the dera on many, many occasions, and have been luky enough to speak to sevadaars who have lived, slept and eaten with baba gian singh ji and value their opinion vary highly, but at the very same time i am some who is nothing but a slave of the darbar of guru granth sahib ji maharaj. the only thing that i can say of this issue is that nots let forget to build our own jeevan while tryng to argue about the jeevan of others. wahegur ji ka khalsa waheguru j ki fateh Before you start giving it large and accusing Sant of non appropriate things, look at yourself and do a spell check, i dont understand half the things youve said waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh firstly i woud like to apologise for not meeting the appropriate grammar requirements of yourself. i would address you personally by name, but you have failed to leave it. secondly, you have tried a very good diversion tactic of avoiding all the issues raised by myself and others that have responded. if after reading my reply for maybe a 2nd or 3rd time you still fail to understand me, please let me know, as im sure i could borrow some pencil crayons from a nephew of mine and draw you some pictures. but on the other hand you may wish to have a proper debate on the issues at hand, if so please feel free to post something which we all may learn something from. waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh

:gg: I am very sorry to hear that certain people have been upset with the thread around fake Baba's and cults. I am pleased that some Sikhs know the truth. In the latest issue of the Panjabi newspapers, the Oldbury Gurudwara Parbhandaks make it clear that Jeet Singh cult has left the samparda of Karm Singh Ji Hothi Mardaan & has become a Nirmal Bhekh Hardwari parcharak, these people are more Hindu than Sikh & are a cult they bathe at the Kumbh Mela & their leaders are called Pandits. If I have upset people with this dicsussion i am sorry but we as a nation need to stand up against these individuals as they are the enemies of Sikhi. Singhballer with all respect you are just another naive person who does not know what is really going on in India or the UK, I suggest you grow up & respect my informed opinion as a sister. Singh_1983 knows what the truth... May Vaheguru give you the strength to continue speaking the truth. by the way Sant Rosan Singh Samparda Karm Singh Hothi Mardan threatened legal action against both Jeet & Jaspal for using the name of the samparda under false pretences. Jeet has left mainstream Sikh and is a Hindu I'm sorry but I cannot agree to you calling me naive. You say I don't know what going on in India? Tell me have you even in your life even gone to Johalan Dera? Have you ever had the Darshan of the Sants? The only thing you know is what you've read in papers or what you have heard from Singhs in the Oldbury Gurdwara. You only know what you've learned from outer sources. Heres the History (I will give all the names of these people as soon as my Father returns) During the end of the life of Sant Gian Singh Ji and Sant Harbhajan Singh Ji, a few "sewadaars" were "helping" the Sants to attain more land and have the deeds to the land put under the name of the Dera. The land that is under the name of the Dera is crores per acre.. an mind boggling amount of money when looked at as a whole. These men extracted money from within the transactions made to aquire the land. Afterward while the land was being registered they tried to put the land under their familys name and inturn literally control the Gurdwaras assets. When the Sants learned of this trickery from people whom were trusted by them they immediately told them to leave the Dera not to ever to return.. in a sense they were barred from the Dera. Most of the people went back to the U.K.. and guess to which place?? That's Correct! Oldbury Gurdwara. This happened 4-5 years ago. The 3 Gurdwaras in the U.K which are credited to be made by the Dera were actually made by the people and not the Sants. When Sant Gian Singh Ji came to the U.K and Canada, the Sangats gave alot of Maya to Sant Ji. Sant Ji told the Sangat that he had not come to the west to collect money and told them to set up a Gurdwara where they could the Parchaar of Sikhi.. Thats how the Oldbury Gurdwara was made. They Dera NEVER in tries to take over the Gurdwaras in England. The Gurdwara was made by the Sangat for the Sangat and there has never been an approach made to take it over.. that is just a lie fed into the papers. Navtej paanji.. do you really trust the word of these decieving tricksters? Those people who were told to leave the Gurdwara then tried to get the land through the courts.. and so they tried to sue the Dera for the land. But how can a truthfull Dera of Sadhus whos sole occupation is Waheguru lose a a court case threaded with lies? The Dera won all cases againts them. These same people manipulated the Newspapers.. which is what everyone is reading. They fed in lies to demfame the current Sants and and the Dera.. but the Preemis of the Dera know the truth. These people put in article after article about the Sants saying this in court or ordering the beating of a person.. all lies. I don't blame any of you for what you have said about the Dera or Sants, as it just shows how great of a job these people have done. You say the Oldbury Gurdwara Prabandaks say that Sant Ji has left the Hoti Mardan Sampardha.. well these Prabhandaks are the same who were thrown out of the Dera 4-5 years ago. They are the same who give these report to the paper. My Father did seva at Johalan Dera every single day for 3 years. Someone here said that Sant Roshan Singh Ji stopped visiting Johalan Dera because of Sant Jeet Singh Ji. My father tells me that through that whole time he never had the Darshan of Sant Roshan Singh Ji at Johalan Dera, meaning that Sant Roshan Singh Ji never visited Johalan Dera. The only time Sant Roshan Singh Ji visited Johalan was when there was a Dastaar Bandi ceremony. The only time my dad has ever seen Sant Roshan Singh Ji was on the Dastaar Bandi of Sant Harbhajan Singh Ji.. and then obviously Sant Roshan Singh Ji came back to Johalan only 3-4 months later for the Dastaar Bandi of Sant Jeet Singh Ji and Sant Jaspaul Singh Ji after the passing of Sant Harbhajan Singh Ji Brakhath. My Father did seva hand and hand with Sant Jeet Singh Ji for 3 years! Would you rather trust Punjabi Papers or the opinion of a person who spent years with Sant Jeet Singh Ji about what kind of a person Sant Ji is? Both the Sants have an Uchi Avasthaa. All the Shakti of the former Sants is now within Sant Jeet Singh Ji.. they are true Sants. I plead with you to stop reading newspapers and listening to the cronies who call themselves Sikhs at Oldbury and ask people the actual TRUTH of the Dera. Ask Sant Jagjit Singh Ji Harkhowal Wale who are in the U.K right now too. If you really want to know about the Sants and Johalan Dera got to them and ask them.. plus they will surely give you the truth.. there can be no doubts about what they tell you. (I will edit my post to further give more information.. as soon as my Father returns :D ) 8 G.S waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh bhai sahib, i find your coments about the singhs from oldbury gurdwara and the fact the you claim that the dera does not want to have control of the gurdwaree in england obsurd to say the very least. you say you have the names of those people who tried to put the land of the dera in their own names, please provide their names. 2ndly, Jeet Singh has requested that the constituitions of all 3 ghurdwaree in england to be changed, of which bradford has agreed but oldbuy has not. oldbury gurdwara has changed the constitution as far as saying that if the gurdwara was ever to be closed down for what ever reason, the property of the gurdwara should be given to the akaal takht, the supreme throne of the sikh panth. Jeet Singh has tried to change the punj singhs that run the gurdwara, something which very rarely has occured in the past, in my recolection this has only occured once before in the history of the gurdwaree. it has to be asked why these singhs are being removed. when previous singhs have been removed from seva it has been due to mistakes that the sevadars have made, not just for the fun of it. the new commitee is now being run by the famous sheergill, the one who had control of smethwick gurdwara for many years. sheergill with the other new sevardars are now attempting civil action against those individuals that refuse to go against the hukam of the oldbury sangat. the hukam of the sangat, is to run the gurdwara how it has been running for the previous years. you claim the gurdwara was made for the sangat, if this is the case, please let the sangat run the gurdwara as the sangat requests. the individuals who have run the gurdwara for the last 20odd years have been doing itwith the blessing of the sangat. the new committee that Jeet singh has chosen do not even do seva at oldbury, and have not been doing so for the last few years. sheergill, ragi harkeeval singh and the other recruits from cov, lesta, etc have not been doing nishkam seva for the last 5-10 years, with sum doing no seva watsoever, but still love coming to the gurdwara to try and force their way in. your father has not seen sant roshan singh at johalaan, but this does not devalue the position and respect the baba ji holds, afterall baba ji did the dastar bandi of varakat ji, and in one of the photos of te dastar bandi you can see sant harbhajan singh ji bowing down to touch the feet of baba roshan singh ji. this shows he respect that the mahapurshs of johalaan have held for the mahapurks of hoti mardaan. i hope baba ji is watching everything that is going on 2day, and the truth prevails. baba ji had love for simran n seva, that is why we see the rehat maryada of the gurdwara being so strict, as mahapurck wanted seva to be done how it should be. may the gursikhs keep their love for doing seva of the sangat, and not forget that this is the most improtant thing here. the thing that baffles me the most, is why would jeet singh want to change how the gurdwaraa have been run. the old saying of..."if its not broke, dont try to fix it" springs to mind. hopefully the truth prevails. and bhai sahib, i am some1 who has been fortunate to have the darsham of baba gian sinh ji, baba harbhajan singh ji, and have also met Jeet Singh ji. i have been to the dera on many, many occasions, and have been luky enough to speak to sevadaars who have lived, slept and eaten with baba gian singh ji and value their opinion vary highly, but at the very same time i am some who is nothing but a slave of the darbar of guru granth sahib ji maharaj. the only thing that i can say of this issue is that nots let forget to build our own jeevan while tryng to argue about the jeevan of others. wahegur ji ka khalsa waheguru j ki fateh

Don't normally get into this forum thing but must respond to this forum. Sant Baba Roshan Singh, aftervarious political pressures, tied the Dastaars on Jeet Singh and Jaspal Singh however given their recorded activities he has disowned them. Here is what they have been up to: 1. Sold a Mercedes bought by UK sikh sangat and bought land in their own name and in the name of their families (cases pending). 2. Had an 86 year old man beaten up and put into hospital. The men who did this were given a saropa. The old man sold his home and moved. The gentleman who bought his house was old and through no fault of his own, one day he opened the door to a similar mob who beat him up thinking he was the same 86 yr old man who had been beaten up before (cases pending). 3. Forged deeds in the names of the above "sants" for the UK gurdwaras (cases pending). 4. They have numerous cases against them pending both here and in India. For the India cases they have appointed Badal's lawyer (he isn't cheap). 5. They changed the constitution made by the previous sant baba gian singh ji so that they would be able changethe UK property in their name if they see fit. 6. Shergill who was kicked out of Smethwick has been recruited by them to head a new committee at Oldbury as they have seen them for who they are and have resisted putting the property in their name. 7. Threatened jathedar of Patna Sahib as he had the audacity to criticise them for because in court Jeet Singh testified that he is "Guru" and the sangat come to do his darshan and not the sri guru granth sahib. When questionned by the judge he conceded that there is a sri guru granth sahib present but that it was in the background (will forward case references so that when you are next in india you can get your own copies). 8. Jaspal Singh is just 30 years but yet he has been described above as a brahmgiani. Under what basis! I could go on for ages. It is sad for all concerned. There are innocent people who believe in the maryada of Johalan and desperately want to cling on to the sense of belonging. There are those who ackowledge that things have changed and what spiritual presence was there before is no longer there. Sadly people who have known each other all their lives no longer have any time for each other. Make your own minds up but I feel regardless of who the "sant" is we should hold sri guru granth sahib as the ultimate. Instead we are following any number of "sants" and they are "protected" by sakhis and passages from the sri guru granth sahib. We are sikhs, we should question things rather than blindly following like sheep. After all we are spiritual students. There will be many who are hurt by my comments but I do not mean offence. This is not about throwing muck and hoping it sticks. Do not just accept this version of events. Read into it and do your own research and then make up your own mind. a few of the things that ave gone wrong at johalaan have been mentioned above. i think the biggest mistake of jeet singh was to say that the sangat come the johalaant o matha teek to him and not guru granth sahib ji maharaj. he has also taken part in hindu tradtions. sant harbhajan singh ji didnt find any need to transfer any of the property on to his personal details after baba gian singh ji, so why does jeet singh??. in my heart a true sikh never chases wordly possessions, but concentrates on the things that we all should be doing as sikhs of guru gobind singh ji, seva n simran. jeet singh has tried to change the constitution of the gurdwaree in england to meet his needs. he has tried to get the deeds of the gurdwaraa put on his name illegally, and has now appointed shergill as his head man in england to get control of the gurdwaree. as some1 who has been going to johalaan all my life, i feel quite disheartend to see all the hard work of true mahapurkhs like baba gian singh and varakat ji nw being wahsed away. may maharaj let the truth suceed. may waheguru bless us all with seva n simran.

baba roshan singh is in charge hoti mardaan. he is a great mahapurkh and is doing great seva. from the information that i have found out is the sant ji no longer goes to johala as their are anti-sikhi practices occuring. i was sadenned to find this out, as johalaa and hoti mardaan have had a great relationship since baba harnaam singh ji up until baba harbhajan singh ji. apparantly jeet singh has gone against the wishes of baba roshan singh ji.

i think the best person to ask would be baba roshan singh ji. i wonder what his stance on the situation is? any ideas singhballer?

how about that AKJ Cult.......the one that doesn't believe puran Guru Granth Sahib Ji.....the one that doesn't believe in the Kesh as Kakaar.....the one that makes up its own sikhi!!!! wat about that cult!!!??? yuo could also say that people that dont believe keskhi is a kakkar are part of cult... :umm: well kesh is the mainstream Khalsa belief and keski is the minority belief....therfore kesh is mainstream and keski is the cult how about that AKJ Cult.......the one that doesn't believe puran Guru Granth Sahib Ji.....the one that doesn't believe in the Kesh as Kakaar.....the one that makes up its own sikhi!!!! wat about that cult!!!??? yuo could also say that people that dont believe keskhi is a kakkar are part of cult... :umm: So in theory are we all just a bunch of cults with streamline ideologies specific to individual cults? As per wikipedia "Cult typically refers to a cohesive social group devoted to beliefs or practices that the surrounding culture considers outside the mainstream, with a notably positive or negative popular perception". So when exactly does something become a "cult"? hmmm know thats an interesting question........... according to the wiki quote it proves wat im saying.........cult typically refers to a cohesive social group (AKJ) devouted to beliefs or practices (Not Believing in puran Guru Granthg Sahib Ji, Not believing in Kesh) that the surrounding culture(Khalsa) considers outside the mainstream, with notably porstive or negative (definatly negative) popular perception of course its a cult...its got all the makings of one

internet soldier/baba...we've already had this post...plz keep up! :lol:

no point blaming powar, should blame the real people that dun it - no doubt they know exactly wats goin with the trial......if someone thinks they doin kaum di seva then they should follow the likes of Sukha and Jinda (killed general vaidya) and Manjeet Singh and Rajinder Singh (who killed darshan dashi) own up and take their punishment on the chin...........that would save the innocent Singhs that are on trial wouldnt it????

i totally agree, we're all the first to point things out but the last to do anything about it!!

Does that include: Amritvela Nitnem Kirtan Parkash Sukhasan Chaur Sahib seva Shastar Pooja Namaskaar Panj Ishnaan ..? Nope as long as you don't ritualise it and add pakhand ,whats all the pakhand about lighting a certain colour candle,and sitting on a certain chadar why dont u try it and see wat happens if u so sure its pakhand!