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Quick question for any body that listen to by Balbir singh (raag dude) just a few days ago I was listen to the raido and this shabad started from balbir singh, it stared like, if you do this you wont find saguru (Obviously this the english translation), but the line I can remember is "Daan karia thujai naa bahvai" and so on, can any one help thanks

lol let me point something out ji. Learn to read between the lines. That was put up to silence that prat persona who seems to have nothing original to say but uses his brain when it suits him. If you have something to say against the points made above, then lets please hear them??? Fateh Did I miss something? I agree with what the person above had written so why must I say something against those points? i think you all need to take just a minute, before judging anyone. I have gone to see darshan das many times, at no point did they slate sikhism in fact they promote it. By taking quotes from it and then explaining what it means in depth and how much respect we should be giving towards Gurubani. By sitting down and listening to what they are saying and not being in the kitchen talking about people and making food. I have found going to many temples that, the temple has become a soical club were all women seem to do is talk about clothes and other familys, kids running around, people going for 5 mins and then going. I have seen with my own eyes the prists of many temples that eat meat and drink and then go the next day and read the Gurubani, that hurts me so much, that i stopped going to the temple, i thought to myself these people don't really care. Then i started to go and see darshan das and my faith was restored and i started believing again. They respect the gurubani so much. I have learned a great deal from them about our faith and how much respect should be given. They explain all the teachings of all 10 gurus. So i don't understand why people say he is dividing and teaching wrong things, when they only promote the gurnbani 24/7 and do no wrong. Intresting that you think they are doing a justice for the koum, I just wanted to ask if you judge the sikh religion by the people following it or by the teachings its self.

Thun Thun Guru Granth Shaib Jee Sangat jeo Im not saying that Naam dia Jehaj is not Thun Guru Granth Shaib Jee, only that understand what Guru Shaib is saying about the Meama of those Sant Jaan who have Simaad in Sach. And that withouut Sant Jaan its practicley imposible to meet Sat-Guru in Dirgaa, I want the sangat to wake up and realise the importance of Sant Jaan, and of the dammage these Anadri Sants are doing to our Koum. I will post some of Shaibs bani on the importance of Gurmmukh, Sadh and Sant. And those how do nitnim should re-read Anadh Shaib three of four times.

Your right about the state of our fellow bothers and sisters in india, Rss, badal and others have a tight grip on politcal and sprtual inviroment of the Sikh sangat. And secoundly your absoultly right about a Sant not advertising his status as it would cause a big problem for the indivigual. Take the example of Baghat Kabir during his living life he never told any body what sprtual state he was at. It was only after Guru Arjan dev ji doing parck of this Sadhos did we finnaly find out the true Baghats of the past. I would just like to add that the status of Sant is higher then Baghat, but reaching Baghat is no easy feat either. Your right about the state of our fellow bothers and sisters in india, Rss, badal and others have a tight grip on politcal and sprtual inviroment of the Sikh sangat. And secoundly your absoultly right about a Sant not advertising his status as it would cause a big problem for the indivigual. Take the example of Baghat Kabir during his living life he never told any body what sprtual state he was at. It was only after Guru Arjan dev ji doing parck of this Sadhos did we finnaly find out the true Baghats of the past. I would just like to add that the status of Sant is higher then Baghat, but reaching Baghat is no easy feat either. And no comment on how many Sants and Baghats there may be. :nihungsmile:

I was going though bhagat Naam Jee bani yestearsday and he's was taking about when he was told to not jap Raam but to jap Ahlla by the mogals, what he's says to them is I wont be forsed to jap Allah its a matter of princilble. So he wad senteced to be killed by a elepahnt that was traind to stampied over people during executions, this is much like the romen colicium when the christains were attacked and killed by lions for entertainment. When he was put in to the arean where he was to made a show of, he starts prying to God saying what am I to do even as Sant I have no saviour than you. Sangat jeo maharaj in bani says that a Sant if he/she wants can move two lands like amrica and europe and cruch and make them dust if he wants. And here you have a true Sant saying to God even with all this powers what am I to do with-out you. Sangat jee Sants in our illustrous history were peole like Bahgat Naam dev ji, Baghat Kabir jee, Baghat Trlochan jee, Bhai Taru Singh jee (how had his scalp hamerd off), Bhai Nand Lal je, Bahi Gurdas Jee (whos vara are consider the kunji of of sikhi) This is no Mickky mouse tiltle which can be obtanied by wearing a white distar and haveing 10-15 calia always with you. this is a titel that the Bagahts and highest of high Guru dai laards held.

Well he's dodge the quetion again , bhai shaib the three simple ruls given to bumia choor was, Sach bolna, loan haram ne karna, Naam ebiaas. These may sound simple, but truth being by just following 1 hukham of the Sat-Guru will garentee your seat in Sachkand, whats the thing Naam eibiaas Fateh

Wow, witing it out is one way to do it but try siting down for a hour and puting tiaan in the vaaj ("Aekhi Meat Tiaan Taar"). THEN YOU'LL FEEL THE BEUTY OF NAAM Waheguru

Pritam singh you can laugh but did you now that Bumia Choor went to Darga by only following 3 simple rules that Nanak gave him. And can you tell me what they are?

Wow there some messed up people out there, I was gpoing to read all of it but it tock me a two mins just to scroll down so I read the main top bits. As for my oppion veer there going to be Twat people like this as you stated, people who think its fine to Take Maharaj to a place of pure disrispect, what posible respect will there children have. Im not supried in abit. Even though, Its the duty of the True Sikh sungat to give there life for Guru Grath Shaib Ji. This is called Golamy as Sant Jarnail stated in his speech after Sat-Guru was burnt in there carage during the run up to the 1984 attacks.

we may not agree with there practices, but that does not give us the right to look down upon hindus or any other way of life for that matter. We shoudl know this by now Veer Lion child I admire your knowledge on Sikhi I very sure Guru Sahib is very pleased with the Reahit you have adopted, just don’t let people get you down some people here hear what Sat-Guru is saying but it goes in one ear and out the other. Sangat jeo Sahib Gobind Singh had 100s and 100s of Hindus and Muslims in his army during the north Indian battle with the Moguls, one of Guru Har Gobind's favourite student was a adopted Muslim boy, who Guru Har Gobind shaib brought up as a Muslim because he was from Muslim linage. I don’t need to remind the Sangat what Guru Gobinds Singhs message to us as we all know it, “Recognise all man kind as one”, yes. They why do we have hate for others, because of there cast because of there religion, there following? To all my militant Singh’s keep up the battle against the oppressors we need to have a unified front against organisation like the Rss, namdaris, Bjp and countless others, just know were to draw the line. Gur Fateh to all the Sungat

Pritam singh what give you the right to slander a fellow Sikh like that, that’s very disappointing to see a fellow Sikh show a total lack of kindness. And when you were coming in to Sikhi how would it have been to be called an Rss member when all the Gur sikh has done is ask a legit question, but with your lack of knowledge on the matter you've got at his troth for putting you on the spot. All I can say Maharaj Gobind Singh Sahib has used these couloirs because at the time these were the colour of the Kings, and no other then royalty or Muslims were allowed to were these colours. What Sat-Guru did was to stop oppression and say that all my Sikhs are Kings worthy of wearing these colours there’s no other major significance to these colours. Im sorry by wearing these colours your now no closer to God then when you wore pink yellow green. Im sorry but it looks you’ve not been reading Gur-Bani properly.

wel lthis topic does reveal that people care more about the little thigns than about the real important aspect - the guru granth sahib ji. What next? are we going to worry about what material is used as a shrine for the SGGS? Totally agree its a bit much when people worry about what coulor ramalia are or what cloth the palkis made of its not for me to judge the sharda of the sungat but Shaib in Gur-Bani says by giving Daan (charity) we will not (Baa) Immerse in Sat-guru.

Bhai shaib your right in a way Bhai Jarnail singh Khalsa was a true Sant who attached sangat with Guru Shaib, but he isnt the only one if so were all in real trouble, I go back to what I said before, in Gubani Sat-Guru farmandai that any indivgual that wants to meet Guru shaib in Dargaa (Gods Palace) you need to find and learn they way to guru shaib through Naam (Naam dirdhiia Sadh Kirpaal) throgh Saadh meaning a indivgual joint with Sat-Guru, Bhai shaib I know you know that Guru Grant Shaib Jee kunji after ever Shabad is to Jap Naam but the state of our punth is one of a dissapointment, were we where to all to Jordh with Sat-guru we have been joint to the dayie form e.g. fake sants braham ginanis and now even fake Gurus. We need to learn what the message of our Sat-Guru is, there a shabad which tells us the Partak Hukam of a Sikh, "Iko Naam Hukham Hai Nanak Sat-guru Dia Bujia Jeo", and Dhun Guru Teg Bahadur shaib furmandia "Raam Simar Raam Simar Eeo Thro Chaaj!" meaning do simran this is your ONLY job, is there any doubt what our Sat-Guru is saying, I'll leave that to you. WJKKWJKF

A Sant in terms of our soundings is a person who does katah of God and teachs the sangat to do Jap Naam and Joards the sangat with Guru Granth Saihb and Punj piarai. That individual can take you take you to unhadh shabad as Guru granth Shiab states Un hund Kunji Santan hath Racki The so called Sant’s today are not what the description of a Sant is, they tell stories tell people to take amrit and thats about it but a true Sant jordhs you to Naam and shows you the way to become a Sant as He/she has done. In Sat gurus bani the fraise "Koi aan miilavai mera pretaam piara", "Asa Kio dass hoi shaib millin bagwaan" has come up again and again, those people are called Gurmukhs, Baghats, Sadhs, Sants and write a the top are Brahm Gianis, these people are very rare to find, read Sukh mani shaib, wow. And how to judge a Sant is to question what spiritual state he/she is at and ask can you take me there through Naam and answer most of the time will be, Beta we don’t ask questions like that, Sat-Guru will do kirpa. This kind of Sant is called Anadi Sant (fake Sant) in Gur-Bani, "Anadi sant kadhi na bujia" best thing to do is turn around and continue on your journey to find the true Sant.

Past, Late Giani Amolak Singh Ill never forget this Gursikh, for the Seva he did and the stead fastness he showed in his beliefs, I remember someone telling that Bhai Shaib was offered the post of Akaal Thakt Jatadaar 2 times, and he refused saying Ill be no ones puppet, and going on by saying if given the position I will reinstate the Sikhi that I learnt from my Vaday Vadrai Bhai Randeer singh and Sant Poran Singh, and off course the politician in Punjab would have none of it. Present, Bhai Ajeet Singh Jee And this Gur-Much for showing me True Sikhi.