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Guru Hargobind sahib's suche moti kundals (white pearl ear rings) are still kept at toshe khana of harimander sahib along with 100s of Gurus personal items. Kundals of Guru Har Rai are still with Ram Rai's descendants.

It was a mosque converted to a gurdwara by Bhangi Misl. This place is in dispute ever since the downfall of Sikh empire and sooner or later as the radical islam is gaining strength in Pakistan Punjab it will be converted to a mosque. 

I dont use FB or any social media only on skype. Seriously I am impressed if you possess knowledge of vedas and even memories them and I cant even read Sanskrit properly and without english translation.

7 minutes ago, AjeetSingh2019 said:

Hmm, Shivaji the hindu emperor also bowed in front of precisely "Bhawani" and Bhawani is the goddess of all the maratha hindus. So it means Guru Gobind singh ji and Shivaji are in same plane ? both ardent followers of bhawani . If we have to worship Bhawani , then what's wrong in worshipping an idol representation of the same ? after all, if shastars represent bhawani , then the traditional idol of a goddess holding those shastars, whats wrong in worshipping that ??

As per the same logic Guru Gobind singh jee ate food we also ate food so does that mean we are on the same plane ? Brhamin take bath I also take bath OMG am I a brhamin ? If Guru sahib bowed before Nirgun saroop of bhawani whats wrong in bowing before idol ? Idol is not bhawani its a stone and stone can never be worshiped.

9 minutes ago, AjeetSingh2019 said:

So she's not ang sang of hindus and hindutva movement who worships her ? If and when the hindu nationalistic movement has a fight with sikhs, whom will the durga support ? her hindu followers OR the sikh followers , especially considering hindu followers are far more in numbers 

As mention is the same post. Durga sides dharmi warriors irrespective of their religion.

Nice to see you quoting my text from other religions and not from Gurbani. We both know the reason.

And as you said you have read vedas and even memories them that is very Nice its very hard to find such people these days in sikh religion. Lets take this debate to next level lets do a voice call on skype I could learn something from you knowledge of vedas and it may turn my life around. My skype is jasdeep108 give me a call lets discuss record and put the recording here. I am online now or you can tell me time you are comfortable with I am to excited to see a sikh with knowledge of sikh dharma and vedas. Lets talk on skype and record it.

8 hours ago, Akalifauj said:

  Let's look at your reasons point by point.   You started by saying
 

Narsingh also doesn't have a father or mother, yet Dasam Bani says Narsingh was consumed by death.  


ਨਰਸਿੰਘਾਵਤਾਰੰ ॥ ਵਹੈ ਕਾਲ ਮਾਰੰ ॥

नरसिंघावतारं ॥ वहै काल मारं ॥

The incarnation Narsingh was also killed by KAL.


Being created with no parents doesn't give Durga some special status. Do you see how your point has no merit? Once we come to terms on this point we will move to your next point.

Every Avtar comes with the duty and when its done they leave the earth. Narsingh's duty was to save Bhagat Parladh and destroy enemies of his bhakti. He did his job and merged in God let see what Guru Sahib has wrote about it.
ਪ੍ਰਹਲਾਦ ਕਰਿਯੋ ਨ੍ਰਿਪ ਛਤ੍ਰ ਫੇਰਿ ॥
ਦੀਨੋ ਸੰਘਾਰ ਸਬ ਇਮ ਅੰਧੇਰ ॥
ਸਬ ਦੁਸਟ ਅਰਿਸਟ ਦਿਨੇ ਖਪਾਇ ॥
ਪੁਨਿ ਲਈ ਜੋਤਿ ਜੋਤਹਿ ਮਿਲਾਇ ॥੪੧॥
Destroying all the tyrants and vicious people, Narsingh merged his light in the Supreme Light.41.
ਸਭ ਦੁਸਟ ਮਾਰਿ ਕੀਨੇ ਅਭੇਖ ॥
ਪੁਨ ਮਿਲ੍ਯੋ ਜਾਇ ਭੀਤਰ ਅਲੇਖ ॥
And that Imperceptible Lord-God merged again in His Own Self.

Now whats the duty of Durga
ਤੈ ਹੀ ਦੁਰਗਾ ਸਾਜਿ ਕੈ; ਦੈਤਾ ਦਾ ਨਾਸ ਕਰਾਇਆ ॥
Till evil people reside on earth and there is a need to wage war against them Durga will remain in the battlefield siding and protecting the warriors of Dharma irrespective of their religious belief. Once God decides there should be no more evil and good there should be no more wars he will merge Durga back in himself. Now any where Guru Sahib mentions about death of durga/chandi/bhagauti ? He mentions about deaths of all the avtars but durga ? When Guru Sahib is parsing durga its all in present tense. Can you talk with dead in present tense ?

Now lets see how it ends.
ਦੁਰਗਾ ਪਾਠ ਬਣਾਇਆ, ਸਭੇ ਪਉੜੀਆ ॥
ਫੇਰਿ ਨ ਜੂਨੀ ਆਇਆ, ਜਿਨਿ ਇਹ ਗਾਇਆ ॥੫੫॥

Did Guru sahib wrote the same for vishnu shiva brhama ram krishan narsingh etc ? That gives Durga a special status that by just singing her vaar you can be liberated.

Moreover there is only one Akal rest all is under kall but some are merged in him in past like Narsingh some will merge in him in future like Durga but at present Durga is ang sang of Khalsa like she was during Guru Gobind Singh jees time.

Moreover I shared writings of Gurusahib bowing in front of jagat Mata I am waiting for you to share some writings of Gurusahib in which Durga is bowing before him as you claimed.
 

ਸਬੈ ਸੰਤ ਉਬਾਰੀ ਬਰੰ ਬ੍ਯੂਹ ਦਾਤਾ ॥

ਨਮੋ ਤਾਰਣੀ ਕਾਰਣੀ ਲੋਕ ਮਾਤਾ ॥

ਨਮਸਤ੍ਯੰ ਨਮਸਤ੍ਯੰ ਨਮਸਤ੍ਯੰ ਭਵਾਨੀ ॥

ਸਦਾ ਰਾਖ ਲੈ ਮੁਹਿ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਕੈ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾਨੀ ॥੩੭॥੨੫੬॥

46 minutes ago, AjeetSingh2019 said:

If you have to revere Lakshmi "mata" and durga "mata", then what's the difference between dhoti-janeu clad pandit in mandar and YOU ??

What is uniqueness of sikhi ? Also why feel infuriated when RSS call you a sect of hindus then ?

then you have to agree you're hindu 

This hindu phobia is stopping you from being sikh. God is one and is defined in all religions if you are finding uniqueness in your God then you are creating your own God not following the actual God. 

As per Vedas :-

Na dvitityo Na triyaschthurtho naapyuchyate|

N a panchamo Na shshtah sapthmo naapyuchyate|

Nashtamo Na navamo dashamo naapyuchyate|

Yagna yetham devamekavritham veda||

Sa sarvassai vi pashyathi yachha praanathi yachhana|

Tamidam nigatam sah sa yesha yeka yekavrideka yeva|

Ya yetham devamekavritham veda||

Atharva 13.4[2]19-20

There is no second God, nor a third, nor is even a fourth spoken of

There is no fifth God or a sixth nor is even a seventh mentioned.

There is no eighth God, nor a ninth. Nothing is spoken about a tenth even.

This unique power is in itself. That Lord is only one, the only omnipresent. It is one and the only one.

More Examples

Ma chidanyad vishamsata Sakhyo ma rishanyatha|

Indramit srotha vrishanam sacha suthe

muhurukhya cha samshata||

Atharva 20.85.1

Friends! Do not praise and worship anything else, do not be doomed, praise and worship only the benevolent God Almighty, unitedly in this world, sing his glory, again and again.

[Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:20]4“na tasya pratima asti”
There is no image of Him.”

[Yajurveda 32:3]“shudhama poapvidham”
“He is bodyless and pure.”

[Yajurveda 40:8]“Andhatama pravishanti ye asambhuti mupaste”
“They enter darkness, those who worship the natural elements” (Air, Water, Fire, etc.). “They sink deeper in darkness, those who worship sambhuti.”
[Yajurveda 40:9]Sambhuti means created things, for example table, chair, idol, etc.

Opening phrase of Quran

(1) In the name of Allah, the most gracious, the most merciful.

(2) Praise be to Allah, the lord of the universe.

(3) The most gracious, the most merciful.

(4) Master of the Day of Judgment.

(5) You alone we worship, and [from] you alone we ask for help.

(6) Guide us [to] the straight path.

(7) The path of those on whom you have bestowed your grace, not of those who earned [your] wrath, nor of those who have gone astray.

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How is this God different praised in vedas and quran different from Akal Purkh. If its same why your trying to find the uniqueness in spirituality ?  Uniqueness is in sikhs and their actions and their mareyada. Other religions are corrupted by the followers and preachers God send Guru Nanak and now sikhi being corrupted on the name of a new God which is exclusive to the sikhi.

Akal Purkh literally means Immortal Ancestor which literally means in sankrit NirjarapaNyayoSit (निर्जरपण्ययोषित्) which is used for GOD in vedas. If I say Guru Gobind Singh ji bowed before Akalpurkh which is already used in vedas as a name for God was he a hindu ?

Guru Gobind Singh ji never invented a new God He followed the same God which is timeless. He just followed him with devotion and without corruption.

6 hours ago, AjeetSingh2019 said:

Guru Gobind singh didn't bow to her. 

Relation is when even durga is bowing in reverence to akal purakh then why worship her rather than akal purakh itself ? and why would guru sahib bow to her then 

ਸਬੈ ਸੰਤ ਉਬਾਰੀ ਬਰੰ ਬ੍ਯੂਹ ਦਾਤਾ ॥

ਨਮੋ ਤਾਰਣੀ ਕਾਰਣੀ ਲੋਕ ਮਾਤਾ ॥

ਨਮਸਤ੍ਯੰ ਨਮਸਤ੍ਯੰ ਨਮਸਤ੍ਯੰ ਭਵਾਨੀ ॥

ਸਦਾ ਰਾਖ ਲੈ ਮੁਹਿ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਕੈ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾਨੀ ॥੩੭॥੨੫੬॥
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Either this is not the bani of Guru Sahib or He is praising Bhawani there is no third real option. Third option is virtual and followed by confused who are being spoon feed and they dont spend time reading gurbani themselves.

You know where sarbloh granth starts from

Ek ong kar sri vaheguru ji ki fathe. Sri Bhawani ji sahae. Sri Maya Lakshmi ji sahae. Ustat Sri Maya Lakshmi ji ki. Sri Mukhwak Patshahi Dasvi.

This is the first line of Sri Sarloh Granth. Either this is not Gurus Bani or He starts Sarloh Granth with ustat of Durga/Chandi/Bhagauti/Bhawani or what ever you call her.

There is a reason why our Ardas has Prithme Bhagauti simer ke not Prithme Akal Purkh simar ke or Vaheguru Simar ke. If something is in front of our eyes loud and clear there is no need of proof.

Baki I dont follow any one or any books or lectures or cult or whatsoever. I read Gurbani and only Gurbani myself its easy to understand if you read it with blank mind and accept it as it is. If you start understanding Gurbani with presumed mind set as if you already know sikhi and Gurbani then it would be pick and choose. This verse fits my version of sikhi I accept it this doesnt lets not talk about it.

47 minutes ago, AjeetSingh2019 said:

If Guru Gobind Singh ji had bowed to durga why would Guru Gobind singh ji in his baani say : 
 

Anhad roop anahad baani charan saran jeh basat bhawani (the lord who's form is boundless and whose speech is unstruck sound, goddess bhawani (durga) also takes refuge in his feet) 

Whats the relation of Durga bowing head in front of Akalpurkh and Guru Gobind Singh ji bowing in front of both ?

There are three factions in sikhism when it comes to dasam bani.

2 read it as it is and translate it as it is.

Missionaries read dasam granth and reject it as it contains praise of Jagat Mata
NIhangs and few others read dasam granth as it as and accepts the praise of Jagat Mata

3rd are the confused ones neither they have understanding to accept the praise of Jagat Mata nor they have b***s to reject dasam bani so they tend to make things. Yes its written mata here here guru sahib doesnt mean it.

Out of these 3 only 1 is right it can be a missionary or this nihang but 1 thing is sure this 3 rd confused group can never be right.

4 hours ago, Akalifauj said:

Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji doesn't bow his head at Durga feet.  Durga bows her head at Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji.   Narsingh doesn't have a father and mother, yet Narsingh was consumed by death, according to Sri Dasam Granth Sahib ji.   Your understanding of how the drama of Vaheguru play is very poor.  No spiritually wise person would make the grave mistake of saying Akal Purakh in his 10th form as Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji bowed at the feet of Durga.  

Read these lines loud and again again and please improve my poor knowledge by telling me the meaning of "tuman duar par sees apna ghasvaun" and "tuman charan par surat hamari lagani" and yes please share the verse from gurbani which states durga is bowing head in front of guru Gobind singh ji. A son would never let a mother bow her head in front of her atleast not a son like Guru Gobind Singh ji. Leave every thing aside " Namo Jagat Mata " in jaap is reference to ? and its for sikhs or Guru gobind Singh ji himself bowing to mother of the universe. Please enlighten me "WITH FACTS" not stories of logical manmat

As far as I know no one can see future it would be against the law of God. All the stories of brahm geyanis telling about future are made after their death. Our kids would be sharing same stories for the present sants which we know cant see future.

On the bases of two posts above instead of trying to save your marriage or thinking of future or praying to god to come and help you out. Put all this energy is understanding anger and controlling it. Anger is child of EGO. Stop expecting praises from everyone around and focus on doings things you like.

Jathere is a nothing more then a business. Dead are either liberated or reincarnated in both the cases neither they can hear you or accept your offerings more ever people mess up living trees by pouring oil in their roots. So in short a visit to jathere is giving some money and groceries to the care taker and poisoning a tree thats it.

There is nothing wrong with lustful dreams when you are trying to improve and move forward on the path of sikhi. We all have our individual journeys and and have achieved different stages. Usually when we forcefully suppress our emotions they tend to push and erupt. When awake you can control you mind easily but when sleeping your mind has the upper hand. So dont suppress your emotions you will fail instead move forward and understand them. The day you understand them and what role they play in your path of spirituality you will be able to control them even in dreams and even after death.

Remember improving a little everyday should be the goal. Kaam will not go away so quickly or easily thats why Guru Sahib said Khalsa so jo nit kare jung but dont force yourself or feel bad.

23 hours ago, Jai Tegang! said:

1. So durga is not a devi (or kirpan, as many of us have come to understand) ) according to Dasam Bani ? or this is the case according to hindu literature?

2. where does this place us within sanatan dharm then?

3. what about chandi? is she also not a devi or kirpan, but another form of durga?

Genuine questions because I really do want to understand where Sikhi fits in.

 

Durga is creation of Akalpurkh - Chandi di war. Read the exact lines tun hi durga saaj ke. God created durga she was not born but created. There are no biological father mother or conceiving of durga or her childhood. She was created as a warrior by god in blink of eye and she appeared as it is out of no where. She doent have a gender like god but its assumed God is male and all the religious text sees him as male in same way Dugra is seen as a female but she is genderless.

She is worshiped as a devi every female is a devi but sikhs dont worship her as a devi neither sikhs reject her as a devi. You have to find this balance. Guru granth sahib says if you worship a devi (mahamai - greatest mother) you will be born as a woman but guru Gobind singh ji praises her bow his head in her feet throughout his banni. Follow this balance.

Durga represents power of Akalpurkh Kirpan represents this power and so do all the weapons. A gun represents durga as much as a kirpan. So this concept of durga bhagauti chandi is only kirpan doesnt hold.

What is chandi ? Chandi is name given to Durga when she killed Demon Chanda just like she was given a name Chamunda when she killed demon Munda and mahakali when she killed raktbeej. In words Chandi literally means Killer of demon Chanda no more significance.

Read Ugradanti you will understand this balance
 

On 4/14/2020 at 6:52 PM, Resign said:

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Nice try to spread misinformation. You stated hindi is 80% sanskrit. Let me tell you only thing common in hindi and sanskrit is script. Just like pahari is a dialect of punjabi language written using hindi alphabets. Modren hindi was derived from prakrit which was ido greek language and not sanskrit. The present day hindi is around 200 years old and the first text which uses present day hindi words was written in 1888 know as chandrakanta. Better luck next time with your imagination. I bet you believe that sanskrit is declared as best computer language by NASA. 

Not doing nitname

They chose 10 - 14 years of jail over 10 minutes of humiliation and beating. Chardikalla

2 hours ago, GPS said:

Jassa, let us be specific instead of beating about bush. You wrote  

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To be short today my take on Dhunda has great knowledge of Guru Granth Sahib we have to agree with it. He speaks about social evils derawad. In one of the video he talks about show me any gurudwara dera sant baba which does ardas for baby girl. It hit me in my brain."

my response

Essence of Guru Granth Sahib bani is naam simran. Dhundha calls it parroting. 

Sikh tradition lays down procedure of nam simran and it is also given in rehat maryada.

that proves Dhundha does not do nam simran. Pl tell us how he can call himself a Sikh 

I agree with you 100% Dhunda is wrong here because he never get a chance to feel naam simran. I know many parcharaks they speak a lot about naam simren but in reality they havent experienced it as well. My whole point it no one is perfect if you and me agree on just one thing out of 10 why not we create and make a bond around. Why when 2 sikhs sit together we discuss things which we dont agree upon when there are many we agree upon.

And Guru Granth Sahib says ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਧਿਆਈਐ ਜਿਸ ਨਉ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਕਰੇ ਰਜਾਇ . If people like dhunda dont know naam simren and speaks against it whats our duty as a sikh to hate them, issue our "not a sikh" certificates or help him out ? ਹਰਿ ਕਾ ਨਾਮੁ ਮਨਿ ਵਸੈ ਹਉਮੈ ਕ੍ਰੋਧੁ ਨਿਵਾਰਿ ॥  If we are standing in favour of naam simran with anger and ego then dhunda is right we are parrots.

Chatanga I think you recognize me well. In past I have ripped/abused all the Dasam Granth Sahib haters and missionaries all my past posts are here. As one of the posters mentioned I am here since 2006 all my past posts would be in favour of what you of GPS or Akalifauj is writing today. They are just like my mirror image. I would have abused more gave negative feedback if someone has exactly posted what I have posted in 2006 - 07.

I was 20 years old just had santheya of Prachin panth parkash suraj parkash nanak parkash etc. For me only Budhadal was greatest rest all were RSS agents.

But today I am 31 years old and in last 5 years I stopped posting here. I was learning Guru Granth Sahibs bani and today I just cant follow this bhed chall of abusing. Today I see Sikh kaum far greater then budhadal or nihang singhs.

90% of individuals have no knowledge about Dasam Granth but the chose either to love it or hate it just based on their circle and certain articles and they are fighting over it.

To be short today my take on Dhunda has great knowledge of Guru Granth Sahib we have to agree with it. He speaks about social evils derawad. In one of the video he talks about show me any gurudwara dera sant baba which does ardas for baby girl. It hit me in my brain.

So he has certain qualities and he is questioning certain things. Why should we not acknowledge good qualities of every individual we have in panth. Will not it bring together the panth which is above all. 

Now in the above video posted he questioned Hemkunth Sahib with a quote from Guru Granth Sahib that which has a word to word meaning ke Paharan te sidh beth ke apna janam gawa rahe hai te guru Gobind Singh kiddan pahar te beth ke bhagti kar sakde hai. What would be its better reply to answer him based on Guru Granth sahib bani or shut him up and abuse him ?

Guru Nanak Sahibs full bani is based on geyan charcha. Mecca gaye sidha koll gaye every where there were question answers. But today people get offend when asked anything which questions there imagination. Missionaries are RSS agents if you question this you will become RSS agent as well for many here.

So no video of them challenging Akal Takth Sahibs marayada.

Ok any video of them challenging Jaap Sahib Chaupai Sahib or naam simren ?

Why I am asking this is because I am impressed with dhundas katha with what ever I have heard just want to know why people hate him is it just because he is from missionary college and speaks against derawad openly or he actually is challenging nitname bania and amrit sanchar like Prof Darshan or Kala Afgana.

And please remember only those people are offended by a question who dont know the answer and those who know the answer sees it as a chance to share their knowledge.  

Is there any video on youtube or any audio in which Panthpreet or Dhunda is challenging mareyada of "Akal Takth Sahib"