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7 minutes ago, Kau89r8 said:

getting hopes too high..lol..

i know few yrs ago that keji guy raised alot of money from Sikhs in West and no idea what he did to it spent it on hindus dehli not Sikhs... i know Gurudwares were raised thousands upon thousands ..5 figs for aap

i hope maan doesnt disappoint but him bending down to keji touching his feet is gross.. there is pic i saw today 

its that capt aloo..he was always bringing khalistani terrorism and had huge hindu voter base..libs and bjp because he brings it up...hes also behind jaggi too that pos 

gosh i hate him soo much with badals

The fact that people are putting forward their own ideas about what AAP should do, shows that they are engaged with the political process and this is the biggest reason why AAP has to deliver because they know if they don't then they will face ignominy like the Badals and Congress did. Gone are the days when people would just say, "they're all the same, they won't do anything* because if you expect them to let you down then what's the reason for them to try and do something worthwhile in the first place" The Fat Lazy Slob style of government of Captain is gone now. 

7 hours ago, Kau89r8 said:

He was playing the 'Khalistani terrorist' game in 2017 that capt aloo. I remember how they set up Jagmeet in Canada, trudea visit in India and accused supporting 'Khalistani terrorists'

At least those who believed him can now see what a rss sanagi he is.

im glad badals all lost. I hope they f' off from the edge of this world. 

Its how muslims feel now with BJP winning in states, is exactly how Sikh felt when all of india voted congress after 84

I can only hope bhagwant maan is at least somewhat panthic and does not bend down, Hope he release those prisoner, jaggi ..but dont want to get my hopes too high.

What are the chances they will bring the farm laws back again? 

The Maur Mandi bomb blast in 2017 was set off by the followers of the rapist sadh acting in the interests of the Congress which then used itscare the Hindus away from AAP. Captain only won because a minority of Sikhs voted for him and trusted his oath that he would jail the perpetrators of the beadbi. But he turned out even worse than the Badals. He was a lazy fat slob, spending more time romancing that ISI spy Aroosa than ruling Punjab. To be honest, I think he really did think that he was the Maharaja of Punjab rather than CM and like how the Maharajas only used to spend a hour on court business and the rest of the time going hunting or watching dancing girls this was how he acted. BJP allowed him to stay in power otherwise no government would allow a CM to be carrying on a affair with a Pakistani citizen but because he served the interests of the BJP they chose not to act against him. He then did his worst to sabotage the Kartarpur corridor by making false statements that this would increase cross border terrorism. 

6 hours ago, Kau89r8 said:

@proactive

AAP and Bhagwant Mann has been saying all the right things for now. The Panthic side has given them some time to sort out the issues such as the Beadbi issue. The word is that unless the Badals get jail time for the Bargari firings ( as it could only have been on one of their orders that the police would have fired) then the AAP government will face an morcha from the Panth. There is rumours that VP Singh who investigated the beadbi incidents may even become the home minister of Punjab so as to oversee the action taken on his report. In the villages while people put up Congress and Akali flags because of political compulsions, they all voted for AAP. 

Akali Dal is the second oldest party in India after the Congress party. It is more than the Badals and that evil family may have kept close control of it because the electoral defeat was not a defeat for the Akali Dal, it was the defeat of the Badal family. Akali Dal was known as the party of Shaheeds, it is intrinsically linked to the Panth. The fact that one evil family kept control of it for 30 years does not negate its whole history of 101 years. If it is to make a comeback then it can only do that by returning to its Panthic roots. 

Bhagwant Mann might be an id.iot but some of the new MLAs come from a good background. Also elected was Kanwar Vijay Partap Singh who was stopped by Captain from carrying out a impartial enquiry into the Beadbi incidents. AAP will quickly lose support if they play the same games as Congress and Badal did.

We need to get savvy with the political situation. Congress needs to be destroyed in Punjab and only when that happens can we say that we have got some justice for 1984. Look at UP, Congress get only 1 seat in the elections there. Punjab needs to have a strong Panthic party which is willing to align with a dalit party like the BSP or have enough good 'dalit' Sikhs in the Panthic party to win the reserved seats for them. Manwinder Singh Giaspura is from 'dalit' background. 

We should promote a policy of entryism, there is nothing wrong in Sikhs joining other parties and standing for elections as long as they still maintain a strong Panthic stand. I would much rather have someone like Sukhpal Singh Khaira as a MLA even if it is for the Congress than his losing a seat standing for any other party. 

Don't let the leftist propaganda on twitter fool you into thinking Punjabis voted against religious parties. The Hindus in Hindu majority areas voted for the BJP, it increased its vote from  833,000 to  1,027,000. They also voted  for the extremist Hindu Sunil Jakhar who dreams of being the first Hindu CM of Punjab. AAP also knows the score in Punjab and they made sure they gave seats to Sikhs in Sikh majority areas and even in mixed areas while the Hindu candidates were in Hindu majority areas. 

Simranjit Singh Mann's party went from 49,000 votes in 2017 to 385,000 in 2022. It would have been much more had his party stood in all of the 117 seats. 

1 hour ago, shastarSingh said:

I have also heard that majithia and captain amrinder made sure navjot sidhu looses in Amritsar Sahib.

If you have the power to ensure that someone loses in their constituency then surely you also have the power to ensure that you will get elected in your own constituency. 

The only positive about Navjot Sidhu is that he pretty much destroyed Congress in the only state that it was able to win power in 2017 because of the division of opposition votes. 

Of those Sikhs in the Punjab Vidhan Sabha we have a higher calibre of Panthic type Sikhs than the fakes like the Badals, Majithias, Captains and others.  

Now no Hindu Har.amzada can say that we Sikhs voted Congress into power in Punjab when it was them that committed genocide on us even though Captain won 2017 on majority Hindu votes and the Sikh vote was split between Akalis and AAP and only a minority of Sikhs voted for Congress. 

10 hours ago, Kau89r8 said:

How much longer can he keep going. He was going to retire and give it to Deep. My heart breaks but then i keep saying whats the point getting so emotionally riled up.  

Whats your thoughts on AAP? Predictions worst case scenarios? 

Also are you glad badals, capt and finished for good in Punjab?

I think you are being unduly pessimistic. The ideal situation would have been if Simranjit Singh Mann and all his candidates had won but the AAP wave which wasn't really a AAP wave as such it was more of a wave for change. AAP had positioned itself into that narrative as being the only party of change and as such they got the votes. Simranjit Singh Mann and his party in 2015 had the perfect opportunity to become the change even if it was just in the Panthic circles but they did not groundwork. AAP in 2017 and after had become a joke, it was breaking apart and that would have been the opportunity for Simranjit Singh Mann's party to take over the vacant place but again, no groundwork. Deep Sidhu was able to set up his organisation, Waris Punjab De in a short amount of time and he was able to gather like minded youth and yet Simranjit Singh Mann has never done this. You cannot expect to win elections when the only time you are around is at election time. You need to do the ground work. The youth did the ground work during the elections and especially after Deep Sidhu's shahidi and look at how close they came to ensuring a win for Simranjit Singh Mann. The ground work was being done by the youth. Even up to election day, Waris Punjab De according to reports were getting phone calls from all over Punjab from the youth asking who the SAD(A) candidates were in their areas because they were not even aware that there were any standing in their areas! This just shows just how much ground work had not been done in the time prior to the election. We also need to understand that there are forces within the Panthic side who are either naive or who aim to sabotage the movement from within. Look at Dal Khalsa, they want Khalistan but they do not want to take part in elections BUT also they have rejected the armed struggle. These are the only two avenues that exist for national liberation movements. By rejecting both they have ensured that they are only good for making statements and handing memorandums at the DC office! They want to reject the legitimacy of the state by rejecting elections and yet they give memorandums to the functionaries of the state! 

To the elections

These elections have shown two things-;

1. Unlike previous occasions when our people showed anger towards a party especially the Badal Akalis but then they always went back to support them after a few years, this had changed. The Beadbi issue and the Bargari killings are still issues whereas in previous times we would have quickly forgotten about these after some time. The Panthic vote that the Badal Akalis lost to AAP in 2017 was mostly in Malwa but this time they lost the Panthic vote to AAP all over Punjab. That vote in still Panthic so the next time that vote is there to be won by a Panthic party. These people haven't suddenly become Lalas and leftists. The Badal Akali Dal is finished for sure. There now needs to be a new realignment, Simranjit Singh Mann needs to now work with the youth especially Waris Punjab De to start doing the groundwork for possibly the Lok Sabha election to Sangrur constituency which Bhagwant Mann will need to resign as MP from in order to become CM. It might be too early to win that seat but he needs a good showing and with the possible AAP candidate not having the same profile as Bhagwant Mann, Simranjit Singh Mann needs to consolidate his party's 110,000 votes in the Sangrur constituency and increase these with the help of the youth. Again, the ground work has to be done. 

2. AAP has never been tested in government, in Delhi Kejriwal is able to use the excuse that he does not have full state powers for his failures. Punjab will be the true test of the governing ability. Let's see if he can keep his promises. As for the Panth, the fact that there are according to my count the religion wise break up of the MLAs in Punjab, this shows that Sikhs are still the vast majority of the MLAs.

Congress - Sikhs  13 - Hindus 5     72% Sikh MLAs.

AAP  - Sikhs 73 - Hindus 12  - Muslim 1     79% Sikh MLAs

Akali Dal - Sikhs 2  - Hindu /Dalit 1   66% Sikh MLAs

BJP - Sikhs 0 - Hindus 2   0% Sikh MLAs

BSP - Dalit/Hindu - 1  0% Sikh MLAs

Independent - Sikh 1    100% Sikh MLAs

This means that in the Punjab Vidhan Sabha of 2022,  Sikhs will be 88 out of 117 MLAs or 75%

This is one of the positives of the elections, all those leftists and Hindus claiming that the AAP win was for a secular Punjab don't have a clue about what is going on in Punjab. The Panthic vote wanted to defeat the Badal Akalis which they did and they wanted to keep the BJP out which they did. The Punjabi Hindu and leftist dream of a Hindu CM is dead. The rejection of those Sikhs who stood on the BJP ticket shows just how exaggerated and hollow the claim of the BJP to have won over Sikhs in Punjab was. 

Any Sikh who wants the best for the Panth needs to look at the facts and not get carried away by the propaganda of our enemies. The BJP Lalas before the elections were claiming online that a vote for AAP was a vote for Khalistan. After AAP won they changed their tune and now are claiming that Khalistanis lost because the 'Indian Sikhs' voted for a Hindu from Delhi to be their leader!! 

It is sad that Simranjit Singh Mann lost but true revolutions are not forged in a few days, the ground work that the youth did has to be replicated many fold in the coming years before we will see a Panthic Akali Dal win by the same numbers as AAP did. With the Punjab political scene so fragmented, all that is needed is for Panthic Sikhs to not only re-create a Panthic Akali Dal minus the Badals but also to take back the SGPC from the Badals. 

4 hours ago, californiasardar1 said:

When are you guys going to anoint Sonia Deol a panthic leader?

After all, I am sure that her "documentary" on Operation Blue Star was the first time that many western Punjabis heard that something happened in 1984.

 

How about Lilly "Singh"?

While she claims to not follow any religion, she posted photos on social media of herself holding her hands together respectfully at Harmandar Sahib. Just imagine the amazing impact that that had on encouraging the Sikh youth to embrace Sikhi! And imagine the broader impact it had on making millions of non-Sikhs aware that there is a Golden Temple somewhere in India!

The fact that you can equate these two sells outs with Deep Sidhu shows that you have have a very superficial understanding of this issue. That in itself in this day and age when information is available at the click of a button is criminal in my view. 

35 minutes ago, californiasardar1 said:

Why was my comment disrespectful?

All I said was that he was not a Sikh.

The problem is that you are so dense you need to ask. 

Just now, dallysingh101 said:

That Singh Sabha thing isn't even close to Sikhi. It's more christian.   

That's where we differ, you think Singh Sabha was a British creation while I see them as acting to save Sikhi from being just another Panth. If anything their sanatan opponents were the ones who thought you could worship at a Mandir in the morning, a Sufi shrine in the afternoon and a Gurdwara in the evening and you could still call yourself a Sikh. 

50 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

I think it started with the kumbaya manipulation of Sikh culture during colonialism (i.e. the creation of 'Sikhism' that had their confused puppets (i.e. theologians) teaching the illiterate/semi-illiterate masses that all religions are paths to God, we are all one etc. etc. They cleverly did this whilst manipulating the social make up of Panjab along 'religious' lines.  

It seems like a planned 'successive approximation' to turn us into them. So now, we have hordes of Sikhs who actually truly believe we are this super left-wing, liberal people........the whole warrior, self-protective element of Sikhi as embodied in the Khalsa is completely eradicated in these people.  

No such theology was taught during British times. The all paths lead to God theology is entirely a post 1947 development. 

I will be interesting to see what happens in Congress now. All their top leaders apart from Sunil Jakhar and Partap Singh Bajwa lost their seats. The only Sikh who can challenge Jakhar will be Partap Singh Bajwa or possibly Sukhpal Singh Khaira. It is unfortunate that Khaira left the AAP a few years ago otherwise he was a strong contender for the CM position had be stayed in AAP. It will be interesting to see now whether Jakhar takes the leadership of the Congress in which case it will be start to be seen as a Hindu party or whether Congress gives the leadership to Bajwa or Khaira.

Gurmeet Singh Khudian of AAP

who beat Parkash Badal in Lambi constituency is the son of Jagdev Singh Khudian who won the Faridkot parliamentary seat for Akali Dal Mann in 1989 and who was subsequently murdered by the Indian state. 

The Khudian family are migrants from Lahore district, from village Khudian in Kasur tehsil, who settled in Malwa after 1947 and their vote bank consists of many Lahorias but the Malwais also voted for them in huge numbers. 

2 minutes ago, BhForce said:

I would love to be able to confront & debate him. But he hides in the safe environments of BBC & the like where he can control the questions, the amount of time given to answer, etc. And if you say something he doesn't like, he can simply end the segment and have you thrown out of the building or cut your feed ("satellite difficulties").

(Note: I'm not opposing the ability of anybody to marry whoever they want. I'm just saying Sikhs don't have to put their stamp of approval on a such a marriage in their Gurdwaras as an Anand Karaj.)

Ironically the liberals are the most intolerant of any opinion that goes against their own. 

15 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

We've had Polish immigration in the UK for a few number of years now, and it's always intrigued me how a considerable number of them use the UK purely for generating wages and salaries which they take back home with them once they've become sick to the back teeth of English life. They genuinely love their home country and culture. Apne would rather commit suicide than entertain the notion of making their money and going back. Poland in 20 years, arguably due to Anglo cash, has come on leaps and bounds. But I guess there needs to be a foundation of sorts present. Punjab just continues to go backwards where it counts, yet polishes a turd when it comes to superficial rubbish.

The Poles going back had a lot to do with Brexit and the way that vote made them realise that even after 12 years of Polish immigration they were still  felt that they were not valued. With Brexit, those who wanted to stay in the UK had to establish residency rights which were seen as a big hassle. Also with the mass migration from Poland, the lack of professionals in Poland then meant that wages there increased at a higher rate. Also the fact that Poles who had paid tax for 12 months in the UK and who were then able to claim child benefit for their children living in Poland also created a lot of ill will towards them which although legal was seen as a scam by many goray. 

It looks like Simranjit Singh Mann has come second but the Deep Singh factor almost worked for him. He got about 30% of the vote in Amargarh and in nearby Mehal Kalan, his candidate came second with 20% of the vote. His son Eman Singh Mann came 3rd with 10% of the vote. His other candidates managed just 4-5% of the vote. The AAP wave was too strong, people wanted change and unfortunately the Panthic party could not place itself as that change. Lakha Sidhana came second with 20% of the vote in Maur. And our friend Rajewal got just 4% of the vote in Samrala coming 6th! The Akali Dal(A) candidate here came 4th with 6.5% of the vote. 

However, the good news is that both Badals have lost and this is the best news from these elections and their party looks like it has gone down to just 3 seats at best. Such has been the defeat that if the party wants to survive they will need to ditch the Badals and with them their control of the SGPC. If the Badals lose the SGPC elections then they will be finally finished and their influence over the Panth finished for ever. Had the SAD(B) retained over 10 seats then they could have survived but not with just 3 seats. The BJP looks like they will also have less than 5 seats. 

The SAD has to ditch the Badals and Majithias now otherwise it will never rule the state again.  The next 5 years will be interesting. How will Bhagwant Mann an acknowledged sharabi kababi rule Punjab, the fact is Kejriwal will be in control. The AAP winning candidates consist of rejects and rebels from other parties as well as new faces who are inexperienced. If the do some good for Punjab then we should welcome it but the chances are that the rejects will suffer the same infighting as the Congress faced under Navjot Sidhu. Let's see how Kejriwal now lives up to his promise of rs1000 a month for every adult female in the state. That's 8 million women each getting rs1000 a month = 96 000 million rupees. Let's see how he's able to pay that. He also promised that after 5 years those who had gone abroad for jobs will be coming back to Punjab for jobs. He's promised the earth to Punjabis and now let's see if he delivers. 

1 hour ago, BhForce said:

That's exactly what not only Sikhs but also old-school non-Sikhs in Punjab do. They have a year's worth of grain in a pantry and mill it as necessary. Among other preparations.

We've forgotten that.

Probably 99.99999% of people in the west would not be able to survive more than a few weeks if there was civilisational collapse. 

1 hour ago, GurjantGnostic said:

That's sad bro. Sikhs already have it hard in school, but in one of our schools? Unacceptable. 

It's always the case that our people have a few bad experiences and they shout it out from the rooftops as if their experiences represent the norm. We will accept all sorts of rubbish from non-Sikhs and not complain but when one of ours does anything wrong we go hyper. 

Also be careful of so-called 'experiences' many non-Sikhs are not averse to pretending to be Sikhs to badmouth Sikh institutions. Interesting how the OP asks about anyone who went to Baru Sahib as if he wants to know of any experiences and yet the title already has the leading title 'bad experiences'

4 hours ago, BhForce said:

SMH. Of course it's Simran Jeet Singh the 110-pound professor of Islam who'd be posting for Gurdeep the dancer.

To be followed up by Prabh, I assume ("Sikh, turbaned and queer"):

Note the turban on one of the women on the sofa. More here: https://barficulture.tv/culture/195

Also, do you think this guy would have a chance against one of the Chechnyan fighters?

Guru Gobind Singh understood that only certain types of people can become warriors, those who worked the soil and those who worked with their hands. The scholars were left to their study . The scholarly types can never be  great warriors, their mind is conditioned to think and they will always overthink a situation when action is called for in an instant. We shouldn't blame them, the blame goes to our institutions which allow any tom <banned word filter activated> or harry to take Amrit without even assessing  whether they are worthy of Amrit. Before anyone should be allowed to take Amrit, especially the men between the ages of 18-45, they should have to show that they have an interest in keeping fit, anyone with a waist of over 34 inches should be rejected straight away. Maybe have a bench press limit on anyone applying.

I am sure the Chechens also have Chechens who also act like these guys. Also I wouldn't rate them too much, they are fighting for the guy who pretty much destroyed their country in the late 90s.