lowest of the low singhni

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Is this post merely a complaint? If so it should be directed towards the Brit Asia folks, because here it will do no good and will not provoke any fruitful discussion. I'll give it a while in case anyone has anything productive to say before this topic is closed.

vahegurujikakhalsavahegurujikifateh

I didn't see Singhstah's topic :blush21:

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh

When I go on the random shabad link on the STTM site, only one line of Gurmukhi appears without a transliteration/translation. Is this happening to anyone else? We've tried it from two different computers. My computer firewall said it detected a potential phishing thingie on the page. Does anyone know what's up with it?

Thanks

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh

Tuition fees in Scotland are different (cheaper/better) than in England.

English students studying in Scotland will pay a fixed-rate fee of about £1,700 a year, with a separate rate of £2,700 for medical students. Payments may be deferred by taking out a loan, repayments will begin once graduates earn over £15,000.

For Scottish students studying at Scottish universities, there are no tuition fees as such, but a sum of about £2200 is paid at the end of your degree.

(Approximate figures.)

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh

i just try to live a truthful life and a life in which i can be truly happy

If you want to be truly happy then I think you should try finding out a bit more about Sikhi before you make your decision. This human life is a tiny proportion of our existence but it has huge value. Measuring 'happiness' in this small lifetime isn't rational. As soon as we die that temporary happiness disappears. It's more beneficial to work towards welling up true happiness and peace in your heart.

Personal freedom is one thing but living a life of truth is another. In this world those who think they are free are actually trapped in the clutches of Maya/mammon/materialistic wealth and feelings. In our mind, ego tells us what to do, and we obey its orders, taking this to be our personal freedom. Surely freedom would be the state of mind where there is no ego to follow? When we cannot be swayed by the situations and people around us. This is what Sikhi is about. But nobody said that swallowing your ego/lust/anger/greed/attachment was easy. But if the truth is what you seek, then Sikhi is the simplest and most direct path to follow.

Some posts in this thread also might help:

http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?showto...mp;#entry342431

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh

Mr Vampire, 'some people' do many things which you might not understand. I suggest you talk to them directly about it, learn from them and take some time out to read what Gurbani and Guru Gobind Singh Ji's Bani says about the issues like Sants and Amrit. It really does sound like you have grudges against certain individuals so I'm not sure what you want us to do in reply to your post. In any dharam there will be people who pick and choose bits to follow and who do other strange things.

Btw true brainwashing occurs when your brain is washed, cooled and soothed by Akaal Purakh. So yes, Sikhi encourages brainwashing.

For the future, I suggest anyone applying to Edinburgh learns how to spell it before they send away their application.

bump

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vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh

To clarify what has been mentioned above, in order to be a Sikh you are required to believe in the teachings of the Sikh Gurus. Doing seva/service of the servants of God is encouraged but one must always keep in mind that God is the ultimate truth. He pervades in all. Those people who have merged their souls and minds with God are the 'persona' (for lack of another word) of God himself. From my limited understanding of Gurbani, the light of our Gurus was God. To pretend to understand the nature of God's ways is strange unless you have come to know/merge with God yourself. Personally I believe God is capable of anything at all, including coming amongst us in recognisable forms. My point is, worship GOD not the physical form. To worship the physical form of Guru Nanak Dev Ji is not what Sikhi is about. Worshipping a body/person is just like worshipping dust. Worship the truth.

I hope this makes some sense.

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh

^ I had a vitamin D deficiency and it took doctors about 2 years to figure it out. Go to your doctor and demand a blood test, especially if your joints are hurting/swelling/red.

Tell him you're not leaving until he does it and stage a sit in protest in the reception. Keep clicking your joints (adults hate it) until you sound like a bionic spider and I'm sure someone will help you.

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh

Regarding the link you posted above. It's unfortunate that Christians/people from different religions are persecuted in any part of the world.

"She had to put up with persecution from other Sikhs"

This is against the teachings of Sikhism and anyone who calls themself a Sikh and proceeds to judge others on the basis of religion/faith must go back to the fundamental message of Guru Nanak Dev Ji, which btw is..

A very simple message of love, hope and forgiveness.

Sikhism isn't against mixing with people of other faiths. In fact I would prefer hanging out with a Christian who loves God rather than anyone who calls themself a Sikh and disrespects the teachings of God.

I think the sacrifice of Christ touches every person's heart in one way or another.

There are millions of Sikhs who have sacrificed themselves in order to let people like me tread this path of love which is Sikhi. These Sikhs smiled as they were cut to pieces, accepting the will of God. No pain was felt, only love for their faith and God. God's name was chanted and his praises were sung as the children of Sikh women were tossed into the air and speared, as blistering hot sand was poured on their heads and, in the last 20 years, as the wives of Sikh men were branded and tortured with boiling metal in order to dishonour and disrespect their bodies and their faith.

There are many more examples of people who gave their bodies, souls and minds to God rather than submit to conversion. Run a google search on Guru Arjan Dev Ji, Bhai Mani Singh, Bhai Taru Singh Ji, Bhai Mati Das and Bhai Dayaala Ji. Then run a search on Sikh martyrs in general.

This is one of the many reasons I would never consider 'converting' to any other faith. It's great to hear that the person in that link feels close to God at the moment. But we've always been taught that when we give our heads to Sikhi - when we make that vow to Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj, we don't demand it back again.

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh

^ Either that or you could just hop over the border when the time comes.

http://www.sikhfreedom.com/khalistan.html - This might help answer some of your questions.

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh

Jassa: http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?automodule=help

(We already received the previous post you made, as Bibi.G said.)

But to condemn people who DO 3 bania IS wrong. It IS wrong to condemn people to decide to follow the Panthic decisions. I'm not saying you, or the forum sevadars are doing that, but I feel the general atmosphere of the forum has become that way. That being said, I do think it's good that sevadars are enforcing this decision of banning the meat debate, but my personal opinion is, the decision should be neutral, and not bias to any side of the argument.

We've been neutral for the last 7 years. Still people choose to ignore the rules and bring up the meat debate over and over again. We are humans as well, and we have our own opinions. We chose to share that opinion with everyone on the forum once and for all. The general atmosphere of the forum is many things, and we're trying to change that because the moderators/admin are always held responsible for it (even when we aren't the ones bringing the quality down). This decision does not mean that those who post articles/topics about meat (for/against) will be allowed to do so. The previous ban still stands. We just want to cut down on the arguments which take over the forum.

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh

Just to reiterate what Jangal Da has kindly pointed out..

Upon discussion with the admins of SikhSangat, we have decided to take an anti-meat stand, we've been thinking about this issue for a while on an individual basis and until recently we've collectively decided that this is best for the forum. We feel that eating meat is immoral, unlawful and simply wrong according to the teachings of Guru Granth Sahib jee. There have been numerous discussions and debates on this topic and both sides of the party have voiced their opinions ever since the start of the site in 2001. We do not want to re-iterate the arguments against the debate. If you do a search on the board for the topic you will find MANY replies and topics on the topic and we leave the ultimate decision to your better judgement.

We are not claiming that Akaal Takht/anyone else is wrong, or that we know better than them. We are not telling anyone on the forum to submit to our personal views. We encourage you to do your own research, read Gurbani, talk to Guru Saheb and then come to an informed decision.

People complain about the quality of the forum but whenever we try to do anything about it they still complain. Finally I think it's pretty unfair for anyone to accuse us of not caring what the Panth says. We completely agree with the SGPC Maryada, we do not condone the eating of Halal meat. On a similar note I personally believe doing three Banian in the morning is great, but if I choose do 5 then how am I going against the Panth's decision? I'm not.

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh

Teeheehee my email was read out! I'm famous. :cool:

Manvir Singh rocks.

(Tarrandeep Kaur Bhenji, this thread was let through because the original poster was asking for advice on how to move on, and get more engrossed in bani. He didn't come here to be told that his problem/thread is stupid. We are doing something about these threads, but nobody would really know about it because they don't see the ones which we don't let through.)

but am just wondering is it the same outside US

Yes.

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh

I once attended a camp where we sang a Shabad and went through the meanings every day of the camp. By the end of it everyone knew it off by heart and it was remembered as the 'signature' Shabad for that camp. Maybe you could try something like that with the Shabad you quoted above.

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh

I'm not usually one for posting Youtube videos, but take a look.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biAoMER95B8

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh

Read this today on the BBC News site, I thought I would share it here.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from...ent/7392276.stm

As Zimbabwe's President Robert Mugabe fights to maintain his grip on power, there are fears of a new wave of violence against his opponents. Orla Guerin reports from Zimbabwe, despite a ban on the BBC.

'No regrets' for Mugabe opponents

As Zimbabwe's President Robert Mugabe fights to maintain his grip on power, there are fears of a new wave of violence against his opponents. Orla Guerin reports from Zimbabwe, despite a ban on the BBC.

It was the shoes that caught my eye.

The man wearing them had served me lunch. He was friendly and polite. His shirt and trousers were spotlessly clean and freshly pressed. But when he brought my bill, his footwear gave him away. I could see his toes poking out through a large hole between the sole and the top of the shoe. The bill came to $20 (£10) - in Zimbabwe dollars that is more than four billion.

For the waiter, that probably would have been about three months' take-home pay.

Wondering how many billions it would take to buy new shoes, I left a large tip. When he saw the amount, he raised his hand to his heart in thanks.

The Zimbabwean currency has become so worthless, that you can find it littering the streets. Five-hundred-thousand-dollar notes lie in the dirt. Nobody bothers to pick them up.

A friend in Zimbabwe went shopping for a few gifts this week. When she selected them, in the morning, the bill came to Z$17bn. Three hours later, when she came back to pick them up, the price had risen to Z$21bn.

Dying regime?

During my stay I met a tour guide, who had worked abroad for years. He came home in 2005, when the economy was already in freefall.

"Why come back then?" I asked.

"To help bring about change," he said.

He told me, as did many Zimbabweans, that the Mugabe era was coming to an end, though he was not sure how.

"Our old man is on the way out," he said. "It's the last kick of a dying horse."

He spoke firmly but quietly, with a quick glance over his shoulder to see who was about. We talked over dinner, a three-course meal - soup, chicken and dessert. He ate slowly and carefully.

"An ordinary man could spend a year without eating a meal like this," he said.

The same man told me the churches are a lot fuller these days, not because a suffering nation is finding consolation in religion, but because church groups can sometimes help people find food, or arrange decent burial.

Many in Zimbabwe cannot afford the cost of dying. At a small cemetery, where the grasses grew higher than the tombstones, we met a group of young men digging a grave. They were not gravediggers, this was a do-it-yourself funeral.

"We are burying our sister," one told me. "She had been sick for a while."

The deceased was 37 years old. Dying in your 30s is typical these days. Life expectancy in Zimbabwe is among the lowest in the world.

Police Checkpoints

Travelling through the country can be an eerie experience. We had the open road all to ourselves for hours. The only distraction along the way was the occasional roadblock, usually manned by relaxed police.

With BBC News banned in Zimbabwe, we were running the risk of arrest. But we managed to pass unnoticed, and many ordinary Zimbabweans ran the much greater risk of agreeing to speak to us and tell us their stories. They could expect harsh treatment from the authorities if they were caught.

At a remote rural homestead, we were welcomed by a village elder who was no stranger to President Mugabe's wrath. In the past, supporting the opposition MDC had cost him dearly. His home was burned down and his wife was beaten. The fields around the homestead were full of withered corn and the grain stores were empty, but our host wanted to kill a chicken and prepare a meal for us. We thanked him, but said we could not accept. Later that night we found the dead chicken in the back of our truck.

Some of those we met were putting their hope in the international community.

"They won't let this continue," one man said.

"They'll send in the UN."

Poll fears

But Robert Mugabe knows there will be no-one coming to stop the beatings and the killings by his henchmen. If a second round of voting comes, many may be too afraid to go back to the polls.

"Sadly it won't be possible to vote again," one opposition supporter told me, sounding weary. Others may be unable to risk coming out of hiding.

I met an MDC activist who was on the run, following a brutal beating. We spoke for just a few minutes. He was too afraid to stay longer. He had had no contact with family or friends for more than six weeks.

"If they hear my voice on the radio," he said, "they'll know I'm alive."

I asked what he thought would happen, if he was caught again.

"It won't be torture then," he said. "It will definitely be death. But if needs be, we are ready to sacrifice our lives to make things better for our children. I have no regrets."

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh

http://www.sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=523

This shabad makes it pretty clear just how vast the potential time scale would be. It would also differ a lot between souls. E.g. an ant can live for up to seven years. Or it can be squished by a human on day one of wandering out of its home. Or, if it's a queen ant it can live about 25 years. In the above shabad it mentions rocks and mountains. What is the 'life'span of a mountain?

You're right it would be very interesting, mind-boggling and awe-inspiring to see an average figure, but Gurbani also says many people spend lots and lots of time trying to come up with things like scientific formulae to estimate the greatness of God and creation. However at the end of the day nobody can ever truly describe Akaal Purakh and his play, and their lives pass by in this way.

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh

Yes.

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh