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vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh

Happy 26th Birthday to Vicky S1ngh! :D I hope you have a nice day with your family and dog(s?). Keep up all the wonderful cyber and non-cyber seva that you do, which helps and inspires so many.

:HP:

(Btw I shall expect something special in return for making this thread. Thank you in advance.)

And B4ND4 says Happy Birthday too .

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh

Rimmel, go study. I sense your passion for this subject and everything, but I hereby ban you from this thread.

"Waheguru Waheguru Waheguru"

- Bhai Amrik Singh Ji's favourite phrase.

Stay on topic please.

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh

You should probably ask him directly what he means by that term and advise him from there. None of us here can read his mind.

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh

:BOW:

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh

I once told a friend that I viewed eating eggs similarly to my view of someone eating her ovaries, which shut her up (and also put her off her lunch).

Looking forward to other (more helpful/mature) replies.

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh

What exactly do you mean by you "don't want to follow any organised religion."

I'd recommend reading as much Gurbani as possible, preferably doing a Sehaj Paath (with translations/meanings if needed), before making your final decision.

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh

I'm not very sure but historically didn't a turban have a symbolic meaning? Royalty/victory/nobility/specialness.. My head might have just made this up but if it's correct then it's possible that the shabad is referring to that image or idea, rather than directing us to wear turbans.

(Just to let everybody know I'm all for dastaaraaaan.)

I didn't mean to post a zip file, that's just the link that came with the track. You posted the same track anyway so it doesn't matter now . I'd best leave it to the experts! :kid:

Do you have the address? What time is the programme? Do you know where's a good place to stay, as in what hotels are there near by? Are you going to be there?

If you do decide to go to Southshields, you can stay in the Gurdwara Sahib as they have excellent facilities/rooms there. The following user may be able to tell you more: http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?showuser=4162

Gurdwara Khalsa Mero Roop Hai Khas

South Shields, West Way South Shields, Tyne & Wear

United Kingdom

Tel 0191 454 9115

It isn't down.. :umm:

I can't believe he won.

Btw rimmel I think you should take up writing a newspaper column.

^ That's interesting rimmel Bhenji because from what I've seen I thought it was the opposite! I guess it just depends where you live/who you meet or know. Personally it feels like the older generation where I live has forgotten about 1984. They discourage the youth from talking or learning more about it. But I think the discouragement (is that a word?) sometimes spurs the youth on to find out more via the internet/their friends.

Perhaps it's different everywhere.

That's right, I don't know, because (although this may come as a disappointment to some) I am not a mind-reader. So please could you tell us what this topic is about? Otherwise it is likely to get deleted similarly to your 'Oops' topic.

Although we do our best to cater for all, we do have certain limitations on SikhSangat.com. Language is one of them because you will notice the vast majority of posts are in English which has a universal base as it is one of the most used languages in the world.

Communication is a problem in this world. It is one of the main causes for World Wars and poverty as well as in divorces and so on. And having taken these points into consideration, SikhSangat.com would like to request to all Sangat to please use English language to your advantage and post on this forum with language that every other member can understand.

Sony, what is the purpose of this topic please?

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh

(Taken from DiscoverSikhi.com, originally posted by Jasleen Kaur.)

A man limps into the main hall of the Fremont Gurdwara. His walk is that peculiar shuffle of someone who has had both legs broken and learned to walk again. his beard is full and black, eyes strong, head high. He is not old enough to be suffering so much pain from the simple act of walking. When he bows his matha tek, his feet tell a horror story of pain. blackened stripes scar the soles of his feet. the hallmark of the Punjab Police- red hot iron bars used to beat the soles... as if by beating the sole they can break the soul.

He walks to the side of the Palki Sahib, stopping at the side to gently smooth the pure white sheet and again bow his respect to his Guru. at the back, he touches his head to the ground and straightens the small rug, then on to the next side to smooth and bow.

Slowly, he walks to the large container of water at the far side of the hall, sees that it is half empty, and hoists it to his shoulder. Then ever more slowly, he limps out of the room. after a while, he reappears, a full jug on his shoulder, and places it back on it's stand. A heavy job for a man without his pain, yet that smile never leaves his face.

Once again he bows his respect, then sits for a bit in meditation.

When he rises, it's slowly, bending from the waist rather than the knees. He never quite bends his knees, perhaps they no longer function as they should. He bows one last time, then walks slowly out of the hall. Head high, eyes strong.

This Gurdwara, this town, this country has many such men and women. Broken in walk but not in spirit. Devoted, kind, silent and strong. they came alone or in small groups, most of them in the last 25 years. They left homes, jobs, friends and often families behind. They gently and quietly continue their seva, their devotion never fails. their scars are both visible and invisible. You can see them if you look, if you know the horrors they survived. Maybe you just think he is old or perhaps had a bad accident. But this was no accident.

When you see him, gently bending to smooth the sheet under the palki sahib, ask yourself one thing. Is this what a terrorist looks like?

salok kabeer ||

Salok, Kabeer:

gagan dhamaamaa baajiou pariou neesaanai ghaao ||

The battle-drum beats in the sky of the mind; aim is taken, and the wound is inflicted.

khaeth j maa(n)ddiou sooramaa ab joojhan ko dhaao ||1||

The spiritual warriors enter the field of battle; now is the time to fight! ||1||

sooraa so pehichaaneeai j larai dheen kae haeth ||

He alone is known as a spiritual hero, who fights in defense of religion.

purajaa purajaa katt marai kabehoo n shhaaddai khaeth ||2||2||

He may be cut apart, piece by piece, but he never leaves the field of battle. ||2||2||

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh

Singhstah can you tell us more about what the London Mayor actually does and why he's there?

(In simple terms. I'm not too clear on it.)

Nice. A lesson to us all...

I think that when I have a chance to do some good, especially at a local level, which in this case takes about 10 minutes, I should do it.

I respect your views peacemaker. Personally I don't think I could die today knowing that I didn't at least make an effort to change the issues that I complain about. When Guru Saheb asks me why I ignored it, what will I say? Anyway, no hard feelings.

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh

Today someone sent me a link to the following website.

www.sikhdoctorsuk.com

(It says Sikh doctors Uk, not Sikh Doctor Suk. Just in case anybody else made the same mistake as I did.)

At first glance I thought it looked really good. Picture of Sachkhand Siri Harmandar Sahib and Gurbani around the Khanda. It also mentions Bhai Kanaiya Ji's dedication to humanity, and lists the charitable work the organisation is interested in.

So all is good.

Even better! They have a constitution. A constitution which clearly states that their job is, to promote traditional and cultural values in accordance with the teachings of the Sikh Gurus. This pleased me a lot.

I was interested enough to click on the Photo Gallery, where I came face to face with a group of people wearing turbans sitting in a dinner hall around a table with glasses of wine/beer. Quite a lot of glasses actually. (In one picture a child quite aptly cowers in her mother's arm.) Then of course there is some dancing around. More wine. Lots of smiling faces from beneath the turbans and from above the suits.

After I saw this I felt a bit confused. The constitution says clearly that Guru Ji's teachings are to be followed. But it seems that in particular, Sahib Siri Guru Gobind Singh Ji's teaching of no alcohol quite clearly has been ignored.

As I was looking at this website my mother who is also a doctor told me that once she was invited to join this society in one of its events. She refused by telling them that she wasn't interested in drinking/dancing in the name of Sikhi. The host was very offended and hasn't spoken to her since. (for over a decade.)

This organisation has the potential to do a huge amount of good. It could represent Sikhs doctors and dentists but it seems that not many of its organisers actually know what Sikhism is about. So I was wondering if anyone else here, medic/dentist/other, would like to join me in emailing these people in order to educate them a little on how to respect their saroop and act like Sikhs, especially when it comes to PR. At the moment I'm not too sure if I would want these people to knock on the Health Minister's door as a representation of Sikhi and Sikh doctors.

So, here are the contact details:

President

DR H.S.Narula,

18,Shepherd Drive,Langstone,

Newport (South Wales),

NP18 2LB,

United Kingdom.

Tel :- +44 - 1633 - 413772

E-Mail :- doc_harmohan@yahoo.com

Please let me know what you think. Thank you!

Disclaimer: I have tried not to judge these people based purely on those photos. I also happen to have seen a few of them personally. However I think it's safe to say that Sikhi and alcohol do not fit together.

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh

I think that this body and soul are two different things.

They are different. The body will turn to dust once we die whereas our soul will go with us into the next world.

How can one then address this body as a soul?. Is it a metaphoric use for the body or the sum total of the body and soul is stated to be soul bride.?

It is easiest to think of it as a metaphor. We are described as being soul-brides whose goal is to reach Akaal Purakh. This doesn't mean reach him physically. It means spiritually. It just so happens that we are currently in human form, and because humans relate closely to the idea of a husband/bride Guru Saheb has used this metaphor to explain his Teachings to us.

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh