truedisciple

should he be killed can we not sort this out without bloodshed he is a nobody does he pose a threat to the panth I dont think so. Let the Jathedars decide what to do with him they have the power and they understand our pain best.

Suicidal glory is the luxury of the irresponsible. We're not giving up. We're waiting for a better opportunity to win. I have come to believe that giving and receiving are really the same. Giving and receiving - not giving and taking. Courage is doing what you are afraid to do. There can be no courage unless you're scared. So be couragous get the vcd and post it stop trying to put me into a spin Beware lest you lose the substance by grasping at the shadow. The truth has to come out set it free, People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use.Use it. Page 22, Line 13 ਆਪੁ ਗਇਆ ਸੁਖੁ ਪਾਇਆ ਮਿਲਿ ਸਲਲੈ ਸਲਲ ਸਮਾਇ ॥੨॥ आपु गइआ सुखु पाइआ मिलि सललै सलल समाइ ॥२॥ Āp ga­i­ā sukẖ pā­i­ā mil sallai salal samā­ė. ||2|| Give up your selfishness, and you shall find peace; like water mingling with water, you shall merge in absorption. ||2|| Guru Nanak Dev Page 27, Line 8 ਸਤਗੁਰ ਕੀ ਸੇਵਾ ਗਾਖੜੀ ਸਿਰੁ ਦੀਜੈ ਆਪੁ ਗਵਾਇ ॥ सतगुर की सेवा गाखड़ी सिरु दीजै आपु गवाइ ॥ Saṯgur kī sėvā gākẖ­ṛī sir ḏījai āp gavā­ė. It is very difficult to serve the True Guru. Surrender your head; give up your selfishness. Guru Amar Das How about it brother have a go open your hand and do good godly things serve your sangat.

Hide not your talents, they for use were made. What's a sun-dial in the shade? you fool you have replied to my mail asking for the footage to be shown to the sangat are you saving this footage for you bum slappimg private viewings with soormah or have you still something to hide. put it on utube you <banned word filter activated>. you cant be as stupid as you are making out fool. if you trully are god help you. do you understand braveheart post vcd on utube please use your own acount mr247 Page 66, Line 9 ਹੁਕਮੁ ਨ ਜਾਣਹਿ ਬਪੁੜੇ ਭੂਲੇ ਫਿਰਹਿ ਗਵਾਰ ॥ हुकमु न जाणहि बपुड़े भूले फिरहि गवार ॥ Hukam na jāṇeh bapuṛė bẖūlė fireh gavār. The wretched fools do not know the Lord's Will; they wander around making mistakes. Guru Amar Das

wat truth you aint exactly telling the truth are you....so what ur tryin to say is evry1 in the world is rong but u dn ur commity is right in what ever they do...shabash mere putt shabash Did you know that for four-fifths of our history, our planet was populated by pond scum.I would seriously consider killing myself if I were in anyway related to. Did you not read my other post to your collective little boys & little boys can only make a mess not babies as your surogate dad fsix bellies if you dont belive me.

Something for you to chew on read and understand if you can It is always the best policy to speak the truth--unless, of course, you are an exceptionally good liar. when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. I have been thinking that I would make a proposition to my little friends... that if they will stop telling lies about the committe, we will stop telling the truth about them and their unholy worriors. :nihungsmile: :: :devil: ALways looking for a Fight Fight for your opinions, but do not believe that they contain the whole truth, or the only truth.

I wonder what fool would dilibaratly missled people and what would he have to hide? Your little club of story tellers, should try harder next time No one from the lion group was there!Who is the guy who was screeming on guru g's stage wasnt that mr GURPREET SINGH OF IKHONI TELECOM didnt he offer to become president of the guru kar while standing net to mahraj g's saroop,as there was no other "My Th Lal" avalible. this man discraced himself and comited beadbi of mahrajs divan with his foul language and bad manners. You may not of seen his pictures on the posters for the lion group inthe election before last he is one of them and he is in your herowick group of worriors. So try to be honest you will I promise suceed if you do. Why was the sangat asking this fool to stop barking like a rabid dog ( no offence just a fig of speach) because he was talking about the president and his personal vandette against him at several points being intterupted by the sangat who wer only intrested in the sacha sauda issue. You have been shouting from the roof tops that you were not allowed to do ardas for the 2 shaheeds of the sacha saudha incident. This my sikh brothers is a total lie you should wash out your dirty little mouths with soap. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE i have asked three times diliberatly because I know it will make all the difference Please put your ONe OR TWO HOUR VIDEO OF THE DAYS HEROICS UP FOR THE SANGAT to wittness as we can make our own minds upand see that ardas was done. Sorry I havent got the time to quote directly but Thousands up to fourthousand sangat attended according to your little clubs discriptions of the numbers. Ops done it again added on a few extra zeros, getting good at putting them on and taking the zeros of to soot. Letts get to the RSS issue MOTA ROLA MOHAN SINGH can go to any function he likes and be forgiven as he didnt know what was going on. He still comands your respect because he is your role model he has done so much for remembering our dead heros and saints. While sleeping in his cozy bed at home ploting his next hate campaing. On the other hand letts dish out the same punishment to sohi for the same offence ( maybe maybe not ?) No we are a even handed people who have morals and standards or do we ? POST the video for us to see the sacrafices that you made on the 19th and unveil yourselfs let us see the whole truth.

Man's best possession is a sympathetic wife. No disrespect to the sisters out there, but someone tell him that to make little worriors like him you need one of each. "MAN" & "WOMAN" So what could be more important than that. Ak47 "boy" & Ak47 "boy" make ( ) can you see inside the brackets thats what you make. QUOTE AK47 JATHA LION Posted May 26 2007, 03:30 AM First of all the "manmohan singh khalsa" u talk of is more credible than any of the comitee. he grew up with satwant and beant singh, the bringers of justice to indra. hes done more in rememberance of sikh shaheeds than many i can recall in this area Yes i am sure that he has collected many thousnds of our queens £££ POUND NOTES for the very worthy causes in india and for the panth that explains why he never sitts still and is the picture of the true image of the saint soldier our glorious tenth GURU had set out to create. Can you expect me to respect a man who oviously is living his life to the full in excess of his modest needs. Not withstanding that he sells the good names of our holy shaheeds whos family and mothers still cry for their losses. The same people we go to remember this sunday at hyde park the people whos debts we can never repay. What has he sacrifised nothing not a single pound of fat from his six bellys that his poor legs have to carry. satwant and beant singh gave the ultimate sacrifice not in his dreams is he even worthy to stand in thier shadow.

Sorry I haven’t been in touch trying to find a wife so forgive me for having a life I will be back but in the mean time I would love to see this video of the 4000 sangat asking sohi to resign. I haven’t taken the trouble to read all the posts so I will and then if I still have the courage to speak to you superior beings, being a "low down dirty dog" didn’t I hear that from the sweaty Mexican in the good bad and the ugly. Any way I’m the good the rest of you can fight over the other two tags on offer. Gur fathe P.s Meditate on the name of GOD it will help you to get over your hate for all the Hindu lovers or is it dogs sorry have to go.

In any event it is not a bad thing for the video to be shown, but i think objection is tacken when the main divan hall is hijacked during regular proceedings to view a uscheduled picture show. during time that has been set aside for other functions. and religious needs. the proceedings of the day were to include sacha saudha protesters who clearly had other motives than the ones expressed to both the sangat and committe members. it was a premeditated attempt to disrupt the sangat and daily runing of the gurwara. The protesters were intrested in discrediting sohi rather than the sacha saudha protest members of the sangat and committe were both manhandled treated in a un sikh like manner and general disrespect shown in mahraj ji's presence.this behaviour was unexceptable. The United Kingdom is a multi-cultural, multi-racial society rich in diversity. It is well established that Southall (West London) is known for the diversity of its population and the cultural richness all the communities bring into the area. We work in harmony with a cross section of the community in the best interest of the Sikh community for integration, community cohesion and inclusiveness. We have a voice and participate in the economic and political life of the country at local and national level. We have worked tirelessly for the betterment and progress of the Sikh community attending various events as the humble representative of the community. It is distressing when certain persons prefer to be mischievous and deliberately set out to mislead members of the community with information which has been manipulated for political purpose in a dishonest manner. A vendetta is being pursued against sevadars by certain persons with ulterior motives.

WHICH ONE OF THESE GOOD SIKHS IN THE PIC ARE YOU EXTREMIST THE LEAST YOU CAN DO IS SEND US A PICTURE TO PUT ON OUR WALL SO THAT WE CAN RECOGNISE YOU AS BEING A PARTICULAR PERSON OR THING

SITTING IN THE MIDDLE ANOTHER DISGRACED SIKH HAVING BEEN CAUGHT OUT LYING UNDER OATH IN COURT. UNABLE TO CLEAR HIS BLACKENED NAME LIAR LIAR. ONE OF MANMOHAN SINGHS RIGHT HAND MEN THIS MAN GIAN SINGH DHILLON WAS ONE OF THE MAIN 4 COMPLAINANTS WHO THOUGHT THAT THEY COULD LIE THEIR WAY TO GURU G'S GOLAK. MAKING FALSE ALEGATIONS AGAINST THE PRESIDENT HIS FAMILY, THE POLICE, THE CROWN PROSECUTION SERVICE AND LASTLY THE JUDGE WHO BRANDED THESE PEOPLE LIARS WHO WERE POLITICALY MOTIVATED. GIAN SINGH WHO CHANGED HIS STORY SO MANY TIMES IN THE DOCK SET THE JUDGE INTO ASPIN. ON THE DAY THAT HE LOST HIS TEETH THIS LOWEST OF LOW LIFE FORM MADE ALEGATIONS AGAINST GURU'S SEVADARS IN AN ATEMPT TO REMOVE THEM . AGAIN GURU MAHRAJ PROTECTS THOSE CLOSEST TO HIM.

LOOK WHO IS SITTING AT THE FROT SUKI FROM AKASH RADIO OWNED BY MR MALHI AS SOME ONE WHO KNOWS HIS HISTORY WASNT HE BEANT SINGHS BODYGAURD IN THE EIGHTIES AT HAVELOCK ROAD AGAINST THE KHALISTANIS HOW COME HE IS TRUSTED IN YOUR CAMP KNOW MAYBE MONEY IS INVOLVED ALL FOR SALE AT A PRICE!!!!!!

Oh has someone run of with the guru's golak, because when you do come to we will be waighting. As far as the sangat in southall are aware the last time the guru kar was under threat the sangat took appropriate action and as I read Knocked out teeth, broke noses & gave out gurus kirpa to those who were straying from the word. I understood like with the sacha saudha march, the lion group took that oppertunity to try and remove sohi by spreading lies and giving false statments under owth. these papiis were branded liars by a district judge in west ealing they did not find this mark on their names warented any further action to clear their names. Instead they blame the hidhus, I wonder if extreemist is familiar with one Pramod Kad a former councilor and advisor to the lion group. this close confidant just so happens to be a hindhu. Not that I take any objection to it. Sohi is still in office unless the extremist & his muslim & black friends were back to help get the lion group in to office. Why dont we do something constructive work together as brothers and make life better for the sangat instead of following these leaders who promise much but deliver nothing but lies & hatread.

hello bandar as you like to say the word that much i may as we'll call you one. i feel that you actually don't seem to know what really happens in the gurdwara and the sadh sanghat you are talking about is your little bandar pose. you really need to get a grip on reality and stop behaving in the way your ANIMAL instincts tell you to, time to come out of the jungle and behave like a true human being if you are one.

This is a copy of a press release from the general sec of the gurdwara If you have tacken the trouble to read it it gives a quite comprehensive account of the events of the 19th as you appear to have failed to pick the protest was against sacha sauda and not the managment committe allthough the utube post showing the march shows a fully blown rally in favour of kalistan no objections to the disrespect show to our guru by sacha sauda. We can see that gurus sadh sangat was brought to southall under false pretences and our holy divan used to view a copy of the Himmat Rss video, what relevance did that video have to sucha sauda, or the daily program. You and your hand full of troublemakers may think that because you shout loud that gurus sadh sangat is listening.These haters wish to spread their disease of communal hatred and split our community, hate is not part of Sikhi. Bole So nihal Sat Sri Akal, Khalistan Zindhabad This alone will not get you Kalistan, we have trouble runing our local guru kar's how will we run and defend a free nation. Talk is cheap lets see you make some sacrifices. Respect is earned by good deeds so be ware the sangat is not blind. Do not stray from the teachings of our gurus as your conduct is not that expected from a khalsa.

Re: Incident of Intimidation & Threats at Park Ave Gurdwara Sri Guru Singh Sabha, Southall on 19.5.07 Press/statement by the General Secretary, Executive Committee, Dr Parvinder Singh Garcha I humbly wish to bring to the notice of the Sangat a disturbing incident that occurred at Park Avenue Gurdwara on the evening of the 19th of May 2007. As a background to this, one needs to be aware that some so-called ‘Panthic organisations’ had organised a ‘demonstration’ to protest about the serious situation that had occurred in the Punjab and the very unfortunate loss of life that had occurred in relation to the ‘Sacha Sauda’ incident. This demonstration had been called without the knowledge and any prior discussion with the management committee of the Gurdwara; although the demonstration was going to take place from Havelock Road Gurdwara to Park Avenue Gurdwara. The management committee had made regular announcements and giving detailed updates of the situation in the Punjab and also appealed to everyone for calm, and await the effort that senior organisations in the Punjab were making; and also advised that we should all wait for the announcement due on the 20th of May from the Akal Takht Sahib before taking further steps. One of the apparent organisers of the demonstration, a Mr Gurcharan Singh, had come and met a representative of the executive committee on the 18th of May and advised us that the demonstration would be a peaceful one. He informed us that at the end of the demonstration, persons participating in the demonstration would come and congregate around the Nishan Sahib at Park Ave (the area in front of the Gurdwara) and do Kirten followed by Ardas in that area, and then disperse. However, subsequent events, which I will now detail, showed that this was a pre-planned politically motivated attempt at character assassination as well as an attempt to destabilise the Sabha. The Sangat became clearly aware of this as events unfolded in the Diwan Sahib (the main prayer hall). The demonstrators came into the front of Park Avenue Gurdwara (as previously discussed) but did not do any Kirten or Ardas. Instead they burnt an effigy and then proceeded into the main prayer hall. The Police left the scene at this stage. Some of the persons who had led the march approached myself and the stage secretary Mr Tejinder Singh Samra and demanded that they be allowed to say Ardas at 6:30 p.m., which was in between when the Kirten was due to finish and the Katha (discourse) starting. We discussed this with them, and pointed out that this was most unusual and would cause a disturbance to the regular programme of the Gurdwara, and it was not something that had been agreed the day before. Some of those persons said, because of the situation in the Punjab, the Ardas had to be done; we then agreed that it could be done at the end of the programme at about 7:30 p.m. and requested that the entire congregation should join together in this. However, they said this was not acceptable and that this (i.e. the Ardas) was going to happen whether we liked it or not! In order to defuse the situation as we could clearly see that these persons were demanding in a threatening and aggressive manner; we agreed to their demands, and so we agreed that we could take a short break in the programme and do the Ardas. Not content with that; they then demanded that one of the persons, a certain Mr Manmohan Singh Khalsa, be given five minutes to speak to the congregation so he could make them aware of the events that were going on in India. We politely reminded them that this was not in order and not something that had been agreed to. One of their lead persons, a Mr Jaswant Singh Dhillon requested that in order to defuse the situation we should allow this speech to go ahead. Also at that time his son, Gurpreet Singh, stated in no uncertain terms that it was going to happen anyway! We then agreed that this person be allowed to speak on the stage but only on the topic of the events going on in the Punjab and after his speech a trustee of the Gurdwara, Mr Surjit Singh Bilga, would also say a few words to the congregation. This was agreed by ALL present. After the Ardas; I personally went over to Mr Manmohan Singh Khalsa and humbly requested that he speak only on the situation in the Punjab; which he did for a few minutes. However, after that he started making an attack on the president of the Sabha, Mr Himmat Sohi, for attending a RSS meeting; while this was happening, I realised that some persons had started to use the video screen and were going to put on a video, which apparently had also been put out on ‘Youtube’ (about Mr Sohi) when this was happening. Mr Gurpreet Singh came over to me in a very emotional terms said to me that Mr Sohi was going to be removed as president of the Gurdwara today and I (Dr Garcha) would be declared as president! I was shocked and saddened at the state of events that were taking place. I made my way over to the corner of the prayer hall where the computer controlling the video screen was located. When I got to the computer six people gathered around me and I stated to them in a calm and collected manner that this is not what we had agreed, and as this was the Guru’s Diwan showing videos like this was not permitted. They just replied, “Who are you to stop us!” At the same time an Elderly volunteer at the Gurdwara (who I recognised as Mr Gill) was pulling me backwards with both his arms! I was shocked. I remonstrated with him very politely and respectfully and said that he should let go of me, but he refused. There was no way that I was going to involve myself in a physical tussle with him even though he was being aggressive and pulling me; he said that this video must be shown, as did the other young persons who were surrounding me at this time. One of those was Mr Harjit Singh who is known to me as a member of the Gurdwara. Mr Harjot Singh (the lead IT coordinator of the Gurdwara) was standing to my left and told me that if I requested him to switch the video off he would do so; to this Mr Harjit Singh said he would stop him from doing it. I did not request him to do so, as I felt that this would further inflame the situation and cause further disrespect to the sanctity of the Diwan. Just at this time Mr Gurpreet Singh came over to me again, and again in very emotional terms, said that the video will go on; and I again remonstrated with him that we had agreed the program with him, his father and Mr Manmohan Singh Khalsa. He was still very emotional and talking in an aggressive tone and said that I was the person who had expelled him from the membership (this was done by the Executive Committee in April 2006 after due process), and now he was a member of the Sangat and Waheguru (god) gives him permission and that the discussion and agreement made previously doesn't count for anything and the video will go on! While this was happening Mr Manmohan Singh Khalsa had taken it upon himself to request another speaker, a Mr Dabinderjit Singh, again breaking the agreement that we had previously made in the Divan, right behind the Palki Sahib (I understand he is from Slough and from an organisation called the Sikh Federation).Once had spoken, Mr Tejinder Singh Samra took the microphone from him and switched it off. As soon as he had done this Scuffles broke out and he was manhandled and pushed to the back and a lot of commotion at occurred as other persons from the Sangat came to protect him from further assault (note that all this happened in the sanctitiy of the Divan and right beside the Palki Sahib where Guru Maharaj were present. At this time, the police were called (it has to be noted that the police that had accompanied the demonstration left soon after the demonstrators came into the front of Park Avenue). I then requested that the sound system be disabled, and this was duly done. This clearly upset many of the persons who were bent on causing trouble. We also requested at this time that the usual program be start and a final prayer of the day be done by the Granthi Sahib (he did a marvellous job during all this commotion; and was continually requesting everyone to be respectful and behave as good Sikhs; although he was being intimidated and asked to go from the Palki Sahib by one of the persons of the organising group; but we give him great credit that he did not move and continued to show the utmost of respect to everyone). So as not to continue to further disrespect to Guru Granth Sahib final prayers were said and the program finished. However, many of the demonstrators still stayed in the hall; and it was apparent afterwards, that some persons had also vandalised the sound system by pulling many of the wires. We thank Mr Harjot Singh, who stayed on, till well past midnight to resolve matters. By this time the police had also arrived, and I spoke to the duty officer Mr Singleton, and appraised him of the situation; I also said that I expected, many of the persons to leave gradually but requested that he leave two of his officers to ensure that this took place. It was clear that this was pre-planned and coordinated as many of the demonstrators went upstairs to the office to probably interfere with the video recording equipment; because of this officers were called up to the office to avoid a probable breach of the peace, as persons in the office were concerned that these persons had come with ulterior motives. This was in fact, probably the case as many of them quickly moved out when the police came. However, two or three of them took it upon themselves to shout and became very rude to the policemen. This is very unfortunate as the Police have a difficult enough role anyway. I, on behalf, of the executive committee and trustees, humbly request all persons involved in this and all members of the Sangat that the Gurdwara is a place of worship and not a place for confrontation, ill feeling and un Sikh like behaviour; and we ask everybody to come together and pray for a peaceful resolution to the current situation in Punjab. We also would like to remind everybody that in order to address some of the issues regarding the Gurdwara where persons may have differing opinions; a working group has been formed, and that is the platform where these differing opinions should be discussed and not in the main Diwan Hall. For further information regarding this please contact Dr Parvinder Singh Garcha on 020 8574 8901 Or email: psgarcha@doctors.org.uk

whent to have a look it's bad nothing has been done Shame on the committe

Isn't there something that can be done, has anyone got a roofer or some good sikh to have a look and do this seva. We should get the sangat together and speak to the committe how much can it possibly cost to repair properly.

You may be happy to hear that the ceiling was dry yesterday and that the langar hall was open for Guru Ka Langar. It is shamefull if the committe are not forfilling their duties as sevadars and maintaining guru kar.

It dosn't seem as if you have tacken the time to read the actual article wich this thread started with. I'm quite disapointed that you have made a number of comments which on the face of it you are quoting as the truth. Would it not be better to give this man the benifit of the dout, and not attack his character. He was clearly treated differently to his brother who was also held at the same police station, maybe he has a legitamate grievance.

Seems these politicians need to be taught some basic people skills cant they do anything without a fight. Any link or footage avalible?

Hi That is refreshing, thanks for the lesson in shorthand. Anyway "lol" see ya

oiii to you and all WHAT IS LOL ? before I reply Cheeky!