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  1. I want to comment on your explanation (however flawed it is) that Guru Gobind Singh picked sarbloh because the Brahmins did not like it (this seems untrue and not backed by any source but for sake of argument I will address this). Our Gurus were not reactionary. They stood FOR something as opposed to standing against things. I dont' think Guru Gobind Singh would design our Amrit Sinchar (divinely inspired initiation for Sikhs) just to shock any community. It doesn't make sense. At any rate, the Brahmins already would've been shocked that all 'castes' have to drink from the same bata. They wouldn't need any added shock. There must have been some positive reason Guru Sahib chose Sarbloh as opposed to doing it just to offend Brahmins. Otherwise we're saying that universal Sikhi, inspired by Vahiguru himself has an initiation ceremony designed specifically to offend and challenge Brahmins? That in my opinion is degrading the ideology of our Satgurus. Sarbloh has a purpose and it's certainly not just to challenge or offend any community. An analysis of your answers 1) I asked where you read or got the information that the Hill Rajas rejected sarbloh. Your reply: I asked WHERE you read it. I've read a fair share of history and never have I come across this. 2) I asked which Hindu text says sarbloh is bad. I asked where the source is that says Vaishnav Mat promotes sarbloh. Your reply: If it is Vaishnav Mat then obviously SOME Vaishnav group must do it? Hare Krishna? Some other? I have been to India many times and I know some information on Vaishnavism and NOWHERE does it say anything about sarbloh. It promotes ahimsa and vegetarian diet but says nothing about Sarbloh. You also haven't told me which Brahmin or Hindu source condemns sarbloh. 3) I asked how sarbloh could be giving in to Hindu mat if no Hindu is sarblohi. It seems like a distinctly Sikh practice. Your answer: NONE. Unfortunately you gave a long winded answer with no real substance. 4) Vaishnavism is a school of Hinduism and is a rival of Shaivism. The priests are Brahmins. I asked how could you resolve your statements that Brahmins hate sarbloh and Vaishnavs use it religiously if a large portion of Brahmins are indeed Vaishnavs. Your Answer: NONE. You asked me if I knew what Vaishnavism is. I suggest that perhaps you might want to clear that up for yourself. Vaishnavism is a school of Hinduism and worships Vishnu. It is the largest Hindu group in fact. The rival Shaivaite group is relatively smaller. At any rate, for your information I am a member of the Akhand Kirtani Jatha and this Jatha has existed for many years before 1984. I may respect Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh but I certainly don't 'follow him'. I follow Satguru Granth Sahib. The tradition of Sarbloh has existed for many years before 1984 as well. It is traced all the way back to Guru Gobind Singh. Bhai Daya Singh's rehitnama mentions it very specifically. I do find it funny that you've called me a Manmukh without knowing the slightest thing about me though. The Akal Takhat Maryada is a minimum in my eyes and was written by Sikhs just like you and me. They weren't perfect. They worked under a lot of pressures to create something that all Jathas could agree upon. I don't violate the Akal Takhat Maryada by keeping sarbloh bibek. Please tell me where it says NOT to do this? Next you asked about the Ganga Sagar: which Ganga Sagar should I comment on? The one that the Muslim from Pakistan shows or the one in Bathinda? Both claim to be the same ganga sagar from Nura Mahi. At any rate, it's easy to make up artifacts from Guru Sahib's time. As for stone koondas: using stone isn't against the tradition of sarbloh. In fact the sarbloh bata in amrit sinchaar is balanced on a stone koonda. Finally, you asked what benefits sarbloh gives spiritually. You could ask the same thing about kakaars I guess. I could answer the benefits but you are a sceptic and not really interested in hearing them. If someone is genuinely interested then I will say that sarbloh is a very strong conductor. Naam and bani as a vibration influence food we prepare and food prepared in sarbloh takes this effect most strongly. If you don't want to keep sarbloh, too bad for you. If you would rather eat iron pills, that's fine by me as well (btw. when you eat iron in such a concentrated form, most of it passes right through your system). But when you make BASELESS allegations against Sarbloh Bibek then I have to defend it. Otherwise I don't mind what you cook in. But it is clear that Sarbloh Bibek is Guru Gobind Singh's given rehit. Anyways, we've had our say, now I think the readers are free to conclude which argument they are willing to accept and who has the stronger argument.
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  2. Is there proof that the British took away Dasam Granth, or is the RSS using imposters to rewrite history of the Sikhs. I showed sections of Dasam Granth to some Hindu pandits, and they was very angry. They said that huge sections of dasam granth are Hindu pandit origin and are copied out of the Hindu ancient scriptures, and they judge Guru Gobind Singh or pseudo Sikhs (whoever wrote Dasam Granth which is a collection of smaller writing compiled later and many written 150 years after Guru Gobind Singh's death in the act of plagerism stealing Hindu holy scriptures. They also said the syntax and language of other parts are indicative of latter Hindu writings and beliefs. He pointed to me various sections of sex and drugs, even oral sex. Page 1385. How could a Sikh Guru write about this? Is the RSS promoting this movement to anger the Hindus to retaliate and destroy all the Sikhs for stealing Hindu scripute saying Guru Gobind Singh composed the entire Dasam Granth. If we accept Bachiter Natik and gurbani, full of Hindu Devi stuff, then why not accept Bible or Koran? Soon RSS will be successful in getting rid of Guru Granth Sahib and only prmoting Dasam Granth as Guru (Guru Gobind Singh make Sikhims complete, so no need for Guru Granth Sahib which is a threat to many teachings in Dasam Granth).
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  3. There is nothing controversial in any part of bachitra Natak. The heading of this section is Speech of akal purakh to this low person. Guru sahib has written in general about the acts of some so called persons who were sent by Akal purakh to this world as Akal Purakh bach. Nowhere he has written that events he is describing are to be taken in Chronological order. It is a phobia created by anti Guru Gobind singh elements that is creating doubts in the minds of simple people. Followers of rama nand are known as Ramanandi and they run in millions in India. They adore him as Guru just like kabir panthis adore Kabir as their ultimate Guru.
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