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the babbar khalsa got purewal and hayer most people say however, it is also said that purewal was killed in revenge for naming a woman who had been raped in southall and her brothers killed him to avenge the insult no one knows really

thankyou for outlining that this is not a forum for any jatha but for khalistanis and khalistan issues secondly,i agree the bani talks about sants, but i repeat no one at the time apart from the gurus were called sants, all other great sikhs were either bhai or baba, i have never read a sikh history book which says otherwise, if there is then forgive my mistake, to be labelled as a sant is a late 19th century early 20th century thing and the replies given to me before i do find satisfactory since they come from (i think) a member of that particualr jatha which i am talking about so there is obvious bias to the max, and again no evidence no real facts just the word of one old man again akal takht is sovereign no matter what, it is not functioning at its best at the moment, but always remember it is the throne of the immortal and cant be questioned and anon, what if baba dies and sant jee hasnt come back, what if he dies and khalistan isnt made?? what then? will he look like a liar? can u call him as such? will u stop believing the word of one man if what he says does happen, then i take it all back and will beg for forgiveness before the baba himself im not wanting to offend just asking questions about possible scenarios

these were true lions, the greatest of them all as we all know, their weights increased in jail rather than falling, so happy were these two lions respect to their families as well

sant ji was a man, he was human, a very spiritual man, a great man, a great saint soldier, a real gursikh but no more than a man, a human if u think he was anything more than a great man, then u need help sorry to offend again, its my personal opinion if u think he had some sort of magical powers then u need help, if u think hes alive and will come back exactly the same as he left this earth then u need help according to my small and narrow mind there is human there is guru and there is akal purkh now he wasnt a guru and he wasnt akal purkh, so hes a human

first of all can i say i dont wish to offend but then again i have no allegiance to any jatha, which many of you do, therefore u will say and do anything to defend them whereas i have no hesitation in finding 'faults' and nope i don think i have fallen to any propaganda, i just say what i think is right, forgive me if it untrue and those quotes are very nice, i accept them as the gurus word but how can u label anyone a sant? sant is a 20th centruy thing is is not? back in the day, mahan gursikhs were called baba or bhai not sant, please correct me if i am wrong baba thakur singh wasnt a memeber of the panthic committee accoridng to my facts(correct me again if i am wrong), but a person who was, and sat there and made the declaartion, bhai dhanna singh of the taksal says that the declaration was made by the will of the militants not of one baba and the kcf was made by the panthic committee not by a baba and ok i accept ur superior knowledge that baba did have input into the sarbat kahlsa of jan and april 1986 but he was not the only one, u seem to give him all the credit and i do expect him to shout out loud that he is khalistani and the taksal is khalistani and khalistan should be made, he is the leader of the oldest sikh seminary, he should come out and shout from the roof tops he is for khalistan, even if it means being arrested or killed, by coming out i think it will show defiance that is much needed in punjab right now for pro khalistanis i have only ur word that baba wasnt there will gill came to the taksal, but i will accept it but the very fact he backed rode simply because he was sant jis newphew shows his lack of j udgment in my opinion i know rode was disowned, he runs his little paper from jalanhdar now and no one pays attention to him but at the time, baba should have had more insight than to back a weak minded person as jathedar of akal takht u say the sarbat khalsa made him jathedar, yet at the same time say baba restarted the sarbat khalsa and had influence over it, so in effect he did make rode jathedar i will still say that he has put the movement back by not accepting sant ji as shaheed, no leader can come to the forefront due to that im not doubting his spiritual prowess but as a political leader he has failed in my opinion i accept ur knowledge in that u say he his training singhs, i accepted that before, and also accept the taksal gives shaheed families help but at the same time, they dont have that aanakh anymore which they did have during the time of sant ji, i accept they are rebuilding, that is a fair point, but i still say blind allegiance to him or to anyone or to any jatha is not the way for forward in practical terms to make khalistan, it only creates division again i wish to be forgiven for any insult to him or to anyone i have just lost patience

i do know there are many taksali singhs here as well as akj's but the thing is i dont care what jatha u belong to what difference does it make and i dont care who i offend you say baba thakur singh is a mahan gursikh but having observed his actions over the last 20 years one can safely say, his actions have pushed khalistan back eg when he had the chance to back the kharkus, he didnt, he stayed out of the conflict which devastated some kharkus, here wa santji;s jatha not supporting them eg when he backed jasbir rode, santjis newphew to become akal tahkt jathedar, rode came out and went against khalistan but pro puran azadi in india, again with baba thakur singhs backing eg when kps gill and sarbajit singh (dc of amritsar) came to the taksal for a blessing, baba thkaur singh gave them it, surely he shouldnt have the way some of u back the word of an old man whose actions are against khalistan bemuses me, sure he makes young boys into good gursikhs, im not syaing he doesnt, but where does he come out and back khalistan???? he doesnt and never has we need to wake up and stop living in the past and rely on one mans word, he is not a guru, stop belieiving everything he says, use ur own brain im a khalistani to the max, but to rely on one old man or some jatha be it taksal, akj whoever and believe whatever they say as word is wrong, they are not god im sorry to offend, as a historian i may analyse things in a different way to u, i truly am sorry to offend i want khalistan badly, and truly think that blind allegiance to anyone but our guru will lead to our downfall khalistan zindabad

yeh man why call him maharaj? he was a man, simple as, like u and me u need help and also a dream could just be a dream and nothing more, maybe u worship santji too much or something sorry to offend

yes very noteworthy are those non sikhs who gave shaheedi for khalistan pettigrew notes in her books,several hindus who fought with the kharkus in amritsar and jalandhar areas also big up respect to those mone sikhs who still enough sikhi in them to do what was right and fight avtar singh brahma's lt gen was a mona sikh there is a picture of them together by the way, avtar singh brahma took down a helipcoter and was the robin hood of the malwa and he also looked like sant ji!!!

well done it is the mahan gursikh himself paramjit singh panjwar of panjwar village, dist amritsar head of the khalistan commando force (panjwar) i read articles on his dad a couple of weeks ago, how his dad longed for his peaceful return to punjab ie surrender like zaffarwal, but speaking to someone who is in pakistan right now, who asked panjwar about that article, he said that he would only come back to punjab with guns and bombs he and millions of sikhs are defiant in pursuit of our god given right of khalistan khalistan zindabad

sorry for any insult dude but its obvious they aint done jack since tohra was in power for 27 of those 30 years the question u should really be asking is, in the upcoming sgpc elections will the panthic morcha of bhai ranjit singh and baba bedi beat the akali dal candidates of badal which ill give u the answer now = no badal will becme more powerful, simple as and the hope of reform will die, khalistan will go back at least another 5 years people on this forum just talk about the past etc they dont think practically and are not updated on issues in punjab right now, they just write on this forum ' yeh yeh he was boosted singh who killed alot of people etc' im sorry im not having a go at everyone, just some people read some books on the movement, speak to some serious ex kharkus or exisiting ones read the tribuneindia.com for daily punjab news get updated otherwise die with the past

i still dont think any of u understand the reality of punjab at the moment, or very few of u do meat eating drinking etc cannot be stopped only limited look at 'khalsa raj' under ranjit singh, he was drug addict himself, throughout history, punjabis have been drunkards and druggies, face facts anyway, i was talking about muslim punjabis in india in punjab at the moment, there are not many, but in terms of population they are growing, so i was just saying it would be advisable for khalistanis to get their vote/support im talking practical things, not theory, we havent got khalistanyet so we shoudl explore all ways of getting it, and muslims are a growing population in punjab so we need their vote guru ji had muslim friends im sure he didnt stop them from eating halal meat man u people go proper off topic

to cuss him because he thinks different to you is very wrong let him think i for one dont agree with his seperating politics from gurdwara as it is impossible in sikhi, it goes against miri piri concept but just because he thinks in a western secular way there is no need to call him anti sikhi etc

use amazon.co.uk amritsar : mrs gandhi last battle by mark tully and satish jacob better is fighting for faith and nation by cynthia keppel mahmood a very pro khalistani book, the authior is helped y KAC dr amarjit singh and sorry i think saintsoldiers have taken it off it was an hour long speech sorry

every khalistani should know about tully, not just from uk and everyone should have knowledge about it, read all books pro and anti khalistani ones fro a better picture and evidence, like i said, download' 'sant jawab mangde' from saintsoldiers and listen to it, sant ji himself admits most of what i said, apart from the cuttin off of breasts

After a long pause, the slogans of Khalistan and venomous speeches against India were once again made by the Sikh hard-line leaders during the religious speeches made from Gurdwara platforms in Pakistan on the visit of Indian Sikh jatha that had gone there to observe martyrdom day of Guru Arjun Dev. The information to this regard was given by Sikh devotees who arrived at Attari railway staiton on condition of not giving their names. Notably Pakistan member of national assembly Gyan Singh, during his recent visit to India had assured that Pak gurdwara's wouldn't be allowed to make propaganda of Khalistan. According to jatha members, general public as well as the jatha administrators in Pakistan sang laurels of former Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee and expressed reservations over continuation of confidence building measures between two nations especially after the change of government in India. One of the jatha member seeking anonymity alleged that Manmohan Singh Khalsa, chairman of World Muslim Sikh Federation attempted to provoke the visiting Sikh devotees on the issue that by making a Sikh as Prime Minister of India wouldn't assuage the hurt feelings of Sikhs who were bitter due to Operation Bluestar and anti-Sikh riots. The Khalistan sympathizers also spewed venom against congress government for again bringing back Jagdish Tytler and Sajjan Kumar back to powerful positions. Both of them are being allegedly held responsible for anti Sikh riots of 1984 in Delhi. Reportedly Avtar Singh Sanghera, former president of Babbar Khalsa, UK who had been 'silent' for some time was again seen in Pakistan gurdwara's. Samghera also made pro-Khalistan speeches from Gurdwara's alleged Sikh devotees. However no printed Khalistan literature was distributed among Sikh jatha members. Security agencies here apprehend more propaganda of Khalistan by their sympathesiers.

first of all where have i disrespected sodhi ji?????????? do u people actually read my posts in context or do u just assume i am disrespecting?? evidence of what exactly>??? i quoted from his book, which is world famous do some reading mate i said sodhi ji was killed due to jealousy or givernment ie gurbabchana gen sec of the sgpc had him killed due to jealousy on his part man some of u people are so poorly read on khalistan, its shocking cant believe u just said who is tully>?!!!!

japmans how i am undermining the argument what drugs are u on i simply outlined what i thought hey argument was about weirdo

haha! nope clue: hes the most famous kharkus in lahore apart from bhai wadwaha singh babbar

why create hysteria, and go off topic?

im a realist, i follow akal purkh, not some baba

this conveerting stuff in uk is rather blown out of proportion sure some muslim groups do go aorund trying to convert people but at the same time people ocnverting do it thru choice really they may be pressurised etc but only thru propaganda etc and anyway i was talking about muslims in punjab today on the india side and their importance as a vote bank

basically hes talking about seperation of powers between state and gurdwara which he deems impossible in sikhi ( miri piri) and so how would any justice system survive as it would be dependant on the laws of god so to speak well i think thats what hes on about there are answers to these qns, just read any jurisprudence book

sant bhindfranwale was a so called 'jat' sant fateh singh was a so called 'jat' master tara singh was a so called 'khatri'

man u need some serious help if u think hes coming back im sorry to cause offence,just feel strongly on this matter

undoubtedly gand did happen sant ji could not control criminal elements in 'followers' loosely defined as followers, it could have been anyione coming to listen to him speak things did happen which were wrong and its not just gov propaganda that is why the movement failed for the time being as sohan singh of the 2nd panthic commitee says on that film posted b4, the militants were out of control, not ewilling to listen to anyone that is the major problem god knows how the tamil tigers manage it