Inder Singh

This is how sri waheguru ji ki fateh appears in dasam granth ਸ੍ਰੀ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫ਼ਤਹ ॥ स्री वाहिगुरू जी की फ़तह ॥ The Lord is One and the victory is of the Lord. Full salutation wheguru ji ka khalsa, whaeguru ji ki fateh, was coined at the time of initiation of khalsa.

True, all outside of Guru Granth Sahib Ji, of course. BHforce ji Gursikhs like you are required to rebut these gurnindaks. They have no base. All empty talk. Keep up and stay in charhdi kala

Jeonwala is a joker whose silly arguments may carry some weight if any with uneducated sikhs. I was watching his video part 3 of 6 and it was nothing but trash. All concocted tales that have nothing to do with Dasam granth. Most probably he is the one who was advisor of Ragi darshan on charitra 21,22 and 23. Darshan ragi is saying the same thing Jeonwala was saying. dasam Granth compositions are mentioned in all rehatnamas, and otehr sikh literature of that time. That is another proof these dummies do not know.

Gupt ji I asked you a question.You did not answer it . I repeat it What do you understand by shabad guru? Missionaries not only dispute Dasam bani they also misinterpret SGGS ji. They do not believe in Naam Simran. the very essence of sikhism. THus they deny mystical essence of sikhism.They are the biggets destroyers of sikhism. Need of the hour is to counter these people, mend their thought process.

He was the main man of kala afghanas sect. Inder Ghagha , missionaries , Singh sabha canada are in bed with him Now his anti sikh credentials are proved now you do not want to discuss about him. But still he is the main leader of this camp. You have been told that it was verbal salutation given by tenth master at time of creation of khalsa.dasam Granth had been written earlier of this. Part of it comes from Dasam granth. Since you do not believe in DG and only believe in SGGS ji, i ask you to show it in SGGS . Moreover why those people use it who do not believe in DG.Is it not hypocrisy? Guru Gobind singh was Guru of sikhs just like other Gurus. He can use any name whatever he likes to use. No ifs and buts. The problem with these kala afghanis is they do not like Guru gobind singh ji but have not the courage yet to say openly.

Fateh is there at the start of every composition of Dasam Granth sahib.Read it before making statements. Writing of Gurus whether in SGGs or not is pothi Very well said. This is the appropriate reply for these unsikh characters.They are weeds and need to be removed from panth. They write singh with their name.Is it found in SGGS ji. Not only these kala afghana chelas write bad about dasam granth they also say 1) Their only Guru is Guru Nanak dev ji. They disown other nine Gurus 2) Thye do not believe that Guru Arjan dev ji compiled SGGS ji. May i ask with what face they say that they are believers in SGGS Ji. Read below http://www.panthic.org/articles/5169 SELF-STYLED KHALISTANI HERETIC CONTINUES TO SPEW KALA-AFGHANI VENOM PANTHIC.ORG Published on Novembe r 6, 2009 TORONTO, CANADA - The self-styled Khalistani and Kala-Afghani protégé, Harjinder Singh Dilgeer, has again become the center of controversy due to his anti-Panthic tirades on various Punjabi radio talk-shows, in which he has repeatedly attacked the authority of Sri Akal Takht Sahib, and the legitimacy of Nitnem and Amrit Sanchar Banis. Dilgeer was invited to Canada to speak at a 1984 related function organized at the 'Sikh Lehar Center" by the pro-Kala Afghani heretic lobby in Toronto. Before the weekend function, Dilgeer went on various Punjabi radio talk-show programs in which he ridiculed the authority of Sri Akal Takht Sahib and spewed venomous statements against the sacred Bani of Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji. Dilgeer addressing other heretics at the Kala-Afghani Sikh Lehr Center Following are some extracts of Dilgeer's interview on Radio Hamsafar which aired on October, 26th of 2009 : Dilgeer attempts to belittle the authority of Sri Akal Takht's HukamNamas, and alleges that anyone who obeys the order of Sri Akal Takht's HukamNamas is breaking away from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji (click to listen) Note: Contrary to his current stand, Dilgeer in his 'Sikh Reference Book' (1997) states that "The Hukamnama of Akal Takht Sahib is final and binding for each and every Sikh. None dare defy it." Dilgeer states that 1402 pages of Sri Dasam Granth is 'gand-mand' (filthy trash). (click to listen) Note: Dilgeer is stating that banis such as ਵਾਰ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਭਗਉਤੀ ਜੀ ਕੀ (which is part of the Sikh Ardaas), Shashtarnaamala, Zafarnama, and ਸ੍ਰੀ ਮੁਖਵਾਕ such as ਮਿਤ੍ਰ ਪਿਆਰੇ ਨੂੰ ਹਾਲ ਮੁਰੀਦਾਂ ਦਾ ਕਹਿਣਾ, ਰੇ ਮਨ ਐਸੋ ਕਰ ਸੰਨਿਆਸਾ , etc is all filthy-trash or anti-Gurmat content. Dilgeer also seems to makes a distinction between Swaiyya and Akal Ustat, and does not realize that the Swaiyya are actually part of the Akal Ustat. Dilgeer claims that 90% of Dasam Granth is against the ideals in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, and the rest of the 10% is anti-Gurmat. He then ridicules the bani of BachitarNatak. (click to listen) Note: Dilgeer in his 'Sikh Reference Book' (1997) states that "Bachitar Natak- is the name of the poetic drama written by Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ." Now Dilgeer claims that Dasam Granth is not Guru Rachna, and only a translation. (click to listen) Note: Dilgeer in his 'Sikh Reference Book' (1997) clearly states that Dasam Granth was a rachna of Guru Gobind Singh, and even noting the dates when some of the contents were completed. Dilgeer misquotes and misrepresents the Charritars 21,22, and 23 of Roop/Anoop Koer . He states that those who believe that Dasam Granth is Guru Sahib's Bani are ਪਾਪੀ (sinners) and ਮੁਜ਼ਰਮ (criminals). (click to listen) Note: Dilgeer, like Ragi Darshan Singh is intentionally misrepresenting the charittars of Roop Koer or Noop Koer. This charriters are not about Guru Gobind Singh Ji as these heretics claim, this is explained in detail by Sridar Kapur Singh IAS (National Professor of Sikhism) in his article (ਕਿੱਸਾ ਰੂਪ ਕੌਰ ਦਾ) : http://www.panthic.org/articles/3873 Dilgeer claims that no scholar or leader has read Dasam Granth, if they have and state it is Guru Sahib's rachna, then they are a ਮੁਜ਼ਰਮ or ਦੋਖੀ of the Guru. (click to listen) Note: Dilgeers seems be implying all Gursikhs who believed in Sri Dasam Granth in the past were ਮੁਜ਼ਰਮ or ਦੋਖੀ, this includes GurSikhs such as Shaheed Bhai Mani Singh Ji, Kavi Santokh Singh Ji, Giani Gian Singh Ji, Giani Ditt Singh Ji, Akali Kaur Singh Ji, Bhai Randhir Singh Ji, Bhai Kahn Singh Nabha, Prof. Sahib Singh Ji, Giani Gurbachan Singh Ji Bhinderan, Prof. Piara Singh Padam, and countless other scholars and Shaheeds who lived and died believing in Sri Dasam Bani. Dilgeer suggests that Sri Akal Takht HukamNamas are anti-Gurmat and should be ignored, and not followed. He openly states that all Sikhs should defy any order from Sri Akal Takht, and gives Spokesman editor as an example. (click to listen) Note: Dilgeer proudly boasts that his 'friend' Joginder Sahwney has defied the HukamNamas of Sri Akal Takht Sahib, and others should do the same. In a recent revelation, Surinder Kaur Nihal, an ex-admirer of the Spokesman editor, went public to disclose the warped views of the ex-communicated newspaper heretic. According to her public statements, Sahwney stated that: 'ਬਾਬੇ ਨਾਨਕ ਨੇ ਆਪਣੇ ਹੱਥੀਂ ਕਿਸੇ ਨੂੰ ਗੁਰਗੱਦੀ ਨਹੀਂ ਸੀ ਦਿੱਤੀ ਕਿਉਂਕਿ ਉਹ ਅੱਗੇ ਗੱਦੀ ਚਲਾਉਣੀ ਹੀ ਨਹੀਂ ਸਨ ਚਾਹੁੰਦੇ ।' "Guru Nanak did not bestow Gurgaddi to anyone, because He did not want to pass on the gaddi to anyone after him." 'ਮੈਂ ਬਾਬੇ ਨਾਨਕ ਤੋਂ ਸਿਵਾ ਬਾਕੀ ਨੌਆਂ ਨੂੰ ਨਹੀਂ ਮੰਨਦਾ (ਭਾਵ ਬਾਕੀ ਨੌ ਗੁਰੂ ਸਾਹਿਬਾਨ ਨੂੰ ਗੁਰੂ ਨਹੀਂ ਮੰਨਦਾ) ।' "Besides Baba Nanak, I do not believe in the rest of the nine (Gurus Sahibans)" ਸ੍ਰ:ਜੋਗਿੰਦਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਨੇ ਗੁਰੂ ਨਾਨਕ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਅਤੇ ਨੌ ਗੁਰੂ ਸਾਹਿਬਾਨਾਂ ਵਿੱਚ ਇੱਕ ਵੱਡਾ ਬੰਨ੍ਹ ਮਾਰਦਿਆਂ ਹੋਇਆ ਸਾਨੂੰ ਉਲਟਾ ਸਵਾਲ ਕੀਤਾ ਕਿ ਤੁਹਾਡੇ ਕੋਲ ਨੌਆਂ ਗੁਰੂਆਂ ਦੀ ਹੋਂਦ ਦਾ ਕੀ ਸਬੂਤ ਹੈ । "Creating a distinction between Guru Nanak Dev Sahib and the nine Guru Sahibans, Joginder Singh asked, "What proof do you have about the existence of the other nine Gurus?" Ex-communicated heretic Joginder Sawhney The first statements by Sahwney were made at the bhog ceremony of Dilgeer's mother at Sector 46 Gurdwara in Chandigarh on May 17th, 2009. The fact that not only did Dilgeer allow Sahwney to make such offending remarks at his mother's bhog, and never clarified or apologized for them proves he must also agree with Sahwney's twisted mindset. He continues to work for Sahwney and publishes his works in the daily column of the Spokesman. Below are extracts of the public statements made by Surinder Kaur of Mohali: Rangla Punjab Radio Interview: Dilgeer raises doubts about the events of the 1699 Amrit-Sanchar Ceremony. Claims that Guru Gobind Singh Ji never took Pahul (Amrit) from the Panj Piyaray. Alleges if Guru Gobind Singh Ji took Amrit he would then have been a 'un-AmritDhari. He also questions the authenticity of verses of the Panthic Parvanat Ardas. States the source of ਤੇਗ ਬਹਾਦਰ ਸਿਮਰਿਐ ਘਰ ਨਉ ਨਿਧਿ ਆਵੈ ਧਾਇ ॥ ਸਭ ਥਾਈਂ ਹੋਇ ਸਹਾਇ ॥੧॥ ' in the Sikh Ardaas tuks are unknown. (click to listen) Note: It is common knowledge that the tuks written by Sri Dasam Patshah in his rachna ਵਾਰ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਭਗਉਤੀ ਜੀ ਕੀ ॥. To doubt it, is a direct attack on the foundations of Sikhi. The above examples of blasphemy should leave no doubt that l ike loyal protégés, both Dilgeer and the Ragi are parroting the same ideology of the heretic Gurbakhsh Kala-Afghana, who was ex-communicated from the Sikh Panth in 2003. In the footsteps of Kala-Afghana, both the Ragi and Dilgeer have openly questioned the validity of the sacred Banis of Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji and the Nitnem Banis. While several Gurmattas and HukamaNamas have been issued from Sri Akal Takht Sahib strictly forbidding such criticism, this "shararteee ansar" (mischievous elements) as the Takht refers to them, continue to rake up the controversy on behest of others. Like Ragi, Dilgeer also considered himself a Khalistani back in the 1980, and 1990s. He claims to have been part of the "inner circle" of the All India Sikh Students Federation, and the early days of the Dal Khalsa. Interestingly, both Ragi and Dilgeer, promoted the Bani of Sri Dasam Granth throughout those turbulent decades. Countless CDs and cassettes of the Ragi were released in which he recited hymns from Bachittar Natak, Krishanavtar, and Ramavtar. Now that era is over, they are looking for better pastures and opportunities to line their pockets. Perhaps the agencies who planted these naastic-moles in the Panth two decades ago are finally reaping their rewards. (Audio files courtesy of Radio Hamsafar and Rangla Punjab Radio)

Because you make nonsensical statements that are self contradictory. How do you believe in rehatnamas when you are believer of Guru Granth sahib only? A stage has come when kala afghana sect has to clarify this.

When you do not have ability to understand it, typical statement is you do not make sense. That akirtghan is no more part of panth.So follow him.What are you doing here. You say waheguru ji ki khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh This is not written in Guru Granth sahib.

Where is sahib singh.This is what these liars do. make statement of lies and then disappear. There are hardly one Gurudwara that stood for Darshu traitor and after he was decaled tankhaiya they kept quiet.

From a Rehitnama. Probably from the same where this is found; "Jaha Taha Ka Ache Parsad, Mera Sikh Na Aad Jugaad ||" Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh Do you believe in rehatnamas.I thought friends of khalsa fauj only believe in SGGS.

See their ads in spokesman.Do you need proof against spokesman?If so let me know.

See video again.Only one person told without being asked that he is from tat khalsa. Nobody else told anything.This man was tutored.Do not make one to two. This is a kala afghna outfit with no following. Their name aoppears only in anti panth newspaper spokesman

In a way it was - it showed how the Indian Police treat Sikhs differently to others and raised awareness. Peaceful means aren't restricted to marching in the streets - I agree that doesn't achieve much unless you have unity and very large numbers (look up 'the million man march'). There are legal avenues, supporting good candidates in elections etc. India being what it is, chances are that those wouldn't be very successful either, but if all our leaders, jathas etc spoke with one voice, that would surely force the government to take notice. If not, then kuli chhuti.... And also good preaching with spreading of good education and bring employment to idle youth.Now education and employment are under central govt. Preaching sikhi is work of parents and SGPC

Is 10 percent of above is written in SGGS ji? Waheguru ji ka khalsa is verbal instruction of tenth master. waheguru ji ki fateh is fully written in DG sahib What is shabad guru? Please explain. Where it is written that SGGS ji is guru.We obey verbal command of tenth master. Read asfotak kabit.It is written there.Do you know what is asfotak kabit? kala afghna sect discards amrit vela.Their preachers say there is no amrit vela. Do not bring DG here. You do not obey SGGS also. One becomes khalsa with banis if Dasam Granth.Kakkars is verbal command. Since he does not believe in DG .he has no busniess to wear kara,kirpan and kesh. Answer above questions.If you want to debate debate like a man. do not run away like a kala afghnana thug.

.He was a mole of anti sikh agencies among sikh. Read "Open secrets" written by MK Dhar indian Inteliigence Chief. Ragi's name is mentioned there.

We live in US and know what language this gurnindak ragi has used for our spiritual father. To divert attention of sikhs from this sarna with funds from gurudwara has launched a media compaign to cloud the real issue and lessen the impact. he has money to do this. We have spirit given by our father Guru Gobind singh ji to combat their propaganda. We will succeed and expose their designs. Alraedy singhs from Canada has given advertisement in ajit to expose gurnindak ragi.That has impact and blunted the propaganda of RSS /comngress stooge sarna. No dasam Granth No khalsa No khalsa No sikhism. That is the raeson enemies of sikhs are targeting Dasam granth through their agents.

Today seminar of dasam granth sahib, granth of khalsa, concluded in Amritsar. They have give to this jundli (gang) of akirtghan one month time for getting ready and have debate with them at Chandigarh.They will go to heretic houses with media coverage and ask them to come. These are scholras with doctorate study in DG. They know the gang will not face them.But that is to show public at large their real face.

There is no free speech on scriputres. Ragi darshan is 10 class pass .All his life he did kirtan by reading from a paper in front of him.That does not make this akirtghan a scholar. This uneducated fake professor does not know anything about DG. The issue here is not dasam Granth.Issue here is his slander of tenth master.This <banned word filter activated> was given one hour to show wherein dasam granth is written what he is telling but stooge of congress/RSs could not show anything. See this ineterview before doing bukwas in his favour http://www.patshahi10.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=316:controversial-ragi-prof-darshan-singh-talks-about-his-blasphemous-remarks-on-jus-punjabi-tv&catid=48:tv-interviews&Itemid=65 Not only he is cursing dasam pita but he is rejecting banis of Nitnem, amrit and sikh ardas. See below. Shame on you for supporting this <banned word filter activated> and slanderer of Guru Gobind singh ji. http://www.panthic.org/articles/5177

Here is another lie. My aim of putting the info was not to divide sikhs injured in this tragedy in any categories as some panth dokhis are trying desepratley for the last four days.The idea was to rebut malicious and false claims being put here that all singhs belonged to kala afghana cult. It is also revealed by injured singhs how this kala afghani organization is trying to win over injured singhs to give statement that they belonged to this organization.Sarna made a trip for this purpose.One singh made a statement in the above video that he is from Tat khalsa. But somebody said at least two were from that organization.That is a outright lie. Do not derive propaganda mileage out of this tragedy.There is warning already by administration.

That meeting has taken place already.He is talking about meeting of heretic oganizations aligned with spokesman.

I contacted some sources and following is information about injured singhs Belong to jatha of Baba dhadrianwala 2 Damdami taksal 2 From nearby villages 6 I did not want to put it as aim of a sikh is not to divide struggle in different factions.This has been done to expose malicious propaganda being done by some here.

We have gathered that only president of dashmesh darbar saudagar sandhu is in favour of ragi darshan. Committee members are not.But they are dummies and have no eye on this guy's activites. An effort is being made by some to expose this man. Singh sabha Guurdwara is pro Darshan and pro missioanry.

Do you know or have spoken to anyone who was there at the time? Do you know ANYTHING about the things Dhumma has been upto at Taksal? If so you would not have responded in this way. Inder Singh: You wanna discuss Dal Khalsa and so-on, why dont you open another thread? Better still why dont you go take it up with Manmohan Singh instead of crying on here. Yes we have spoken. Anyone who went to demonstrate against this thug ashutosh deserve appreciation. Stop singling out organizations here.You have been warned for that. If dal khalsa or anyother organization does acts that are detrimental to sikh panth they will be exposed.

Who do you think your slandering singhni? You disrespecting singhs in southall? ex druggies? which ones did u do drugs with exactly? Because they're all clean, FACT. how dare you make such comments. mend your ways. your southall kaurageous and I could easily humiliate you with just a few lines regarding most of your members activities. But I dont resort to your level. Speak of facts and stop making lies for amusement purposes. Or you may soon find some hillarious truths emerging which you lot would rather keep burried. Speak with respect for all. He is not speaking about southhall youth in general. Please do not take it personal. Remian focussed on Sarna's anti sikh activities.

I heard the conference went very well.There were many people to listen.