Harmeet Singh

randip bhaji I think self and Haumey are different. One can define ego according to his own self if it doesnt mean haumey to him. but my point is haumey has to de destroyed not selflessness.

I know bhaji, i dont get what are you trying to say. My point is we cannot perceive Kaam krodh lobh moh Haankar without the five senses or the mind. Sometimes in gurbani it is mentioned 10 senses also for all the other feelings, i suppose. is it 5 Vices -->(gives rise to) uncontrolled 5 senses. or Uncontrolled Mind ---> gives rise to 5 Vices? I think Without the mind the 5 vices cant exist for us. So I think it makes sense to attack the origin which is the mind and control it - Control the mind so that it can't create the 5 vices. I think we can only control the cause and not the effect. Ego is the effect of the mind(mind is the cause) and not a cause in itself i think.

I think we have to destroy five vices and control five senses. but in order to destroy them first we have to control them.

If a woman, mata sahib Kaur can take part in forming Amrit, Why can't a woman be part of Punj?

this is SHOCKING. PEOPLE are you allright?

http://www.sikhreview.org/december2001/terror.htm The Heart-rending Story of Afghani Sikhs Rupali Ghosh with Gajinder Singh. Taranjeet Kaur doesn’t know how old she is, but her mother thinks she must be around 10 years old. She was born, says Jaan Kaur, her mother, soon after the Soviet-backed Najibullah government in Afghanistan was overthrown in 1992. "Those were days of great trouble," recalls Jaan Kaur in her hesitant, broken Hindi. In the violence that followed, the family’s comfortable house in Hilmand, in eastern Afghanistan, became the target of an anti-Hindu attack. The casualty of that attack was her 13-year-old elder daughter Paranjeet. Almost a decade later, the only memory of that daughter is a discoloured photograph stuck on the cracked, yellow wall of her present home in Delhi’s Old Mahavir Nagar. Today, Jaan Kaur has more pressing worries – like the safety of her husband who, if he is still alive, should be somewhere in Kandahar. The labyrinthine bylines of Old Mahavir Nagar are crowded with little incomplete families like Jaan Kaur’s. Most of the cubby-hole dwellings here are populated by Afghan Sikh women and children, who had been sent out of Afghanistan earlier with promises that the men would follow suit quickly, after winding up business in Kandahar and other Afghan towns which still have a small Sikh population. "Our people have been getting a raw deal in Afghanistan for a very long time now," says Manohar Singh, president of Khalsa Diwan’s Afghan Hindu-Sikh Refugee Association that operates out of a busy building in Old Mahavir Nagar. He talks about the many waves of migration of Sikhs from Afghanistan that preceded September 11: "Our people had moved to areas in Afghanistan’s North West Frontier Province and Baluchistan after Partition, but in 1978 when the Communists took over Kabul, several Sikhs fled Afghanistan; then, 1992 saw another wave of refugee migration following the killing of Najib; after the Taliban took over, many more Afghan Sikh families began to leave." The attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon have triggered off another wave of panic migration among what remains of the Sikh community in Afghanistan, he adds. According to a report on ethnic cleansing in Afghanistan, published by a coalition of human rights organistations under the International Campaign to End Genocide earlier this year in Washington D. C., Afghanistan had a population of over 50,000 Hindus and Sikhs before 1992. Over the years the number dropped to a few thousands (The Khalsa Diwan had put this figure at around 20,000). Under the oppressive Taliban regime, this number further declined. "Today there are just about 1,500 Sikhs in Afghanistan," says Manohar Singh. An Afghani Sikh woman, Rita, who managed to leave Afghanistan a few months ago along with her family, is now in Amritsar. She says she is happy to have reached the "land of our Gurus", Rita describes the terror of living under the Taliban regime: "We had to wear a burqa to cover ourselves. We could not even keep our hands outside the burqa. Any woman not obeying the diktat of the Taliban would be severely punished. A woman’s hands were amputated simply because she took them out to receive some goods from a shopkeeper." She said. Given the persecution they faced under the Taliban regime, Sikhs in Afghanistan had begun the process of moving out for quite a while now. "The families have been applying for visas to Pakistan, and then, in Pakistan, there is a long waiting period again before the Indian home ministry clears their entry to India," explains Manohar Singh. The process of clearance is a long-drawn out one. Among other things these Sikh Afghans have to be verified first and only then will the approval come through. "On paper we are assured that the process will not take more than two months. In reality it can take up to two years," he adds. As part of their function as a representative body, the Afghan Hindu-Sikh Refugee Association and the Khalsa Diwan have to liaise between the various authorities. "It is very difficult and we have to keep assuring families here that their husbands and other relatives in Afghanistan will reach India safely. But it is a long journey and no one is quite sure what the outcome will be," feels Singh. And in the process, this small and once prosperous community has been reduced to living a life stripped bare of everything, including very basic human dignity. Jaan Kaur invites you for a cup of tea to her home, not far from Khalsa Diwan. Her home, on the ground floor of a small building – one of many similar looking dwelling blocks that line either side of a little stretch of Old Mahavir Nagar – is a single room, approximately 10 feet by 10 feet. Two little stickers, one advertising Lakme deep pore cleansing milk and the other pushing the merits of Jet King tutorials are plastered on the fron door. Inside, two threadbare pieces of once brightly-patterned cloth are spread across the floor. A young girl, Tarnjeet, is lying on the ground. Her dark eyes stare blankly out of a face contorted in pain. "She’s sick… we don’t know what the trouble is and, anyway, with hardly any money maybe it is better we don’t know what is wrong with her," says her mother. Another girl, Gurpreet Kaur, Taranjeet’s sister, is lying on a bed, the only piece of furniture in the room. "She is also unwell…," mutters Jaan Kaur. Ever since the US attack began on Afghanistan, there has been no news from Gulab Singh, Jaan Kaur’s husband. "Please write his name in your paper," she says, "just in case someone who knows him reads it…. They might be able to help us trace him," she adds. Jaan Kaur has two little sons also with her, though both are now out playing in the streets. "My six year-old son cries in his sleep… it is an old habit he has," he says, "He watches TV nearby in someone’s house and whenever he hears about some fresh bombing in Afghanistan, he comes back and asks me if I’ve heard any news about his father’s death. Gulab Singh had left his wife and two daughters in Delhi over a year ago. He had gone back to wind up business matters in Hilmand and Kandahar. The plan was that he would return to India soon. "We are still waiting for him. Now I don’t even know where he is," she says. In Hilmand, Gulab Singh had a grocery shop. Like most others from his community he was a small businessman, and even after the Taliban took over, these small businesses were fairly stable, at least in the towns of Kabul, Kandahar, Jalalabad, Khost and Ghazni – areas where small pockets of Sikh families lived. Nand Kaur is Jaan Kaur’s neighbour in Old Mahavir Nagar. Like Jaan Kaur, Nana Kaur speaks very little Hindi. Their primary language is Punjabi. In the absence of any eduction for girls in Afghanistan, both Jaan Kaur’s daughters are completely illiterate and understand no Hindi at all. Even after a year in India the girls have not begun any form of education. According to Jaan Kaur, "It is too late for them… now it is time to look for their husbands, not send them to school." Nand Kaur is waiting for news of her son, Talwar Singh. He left Kandahar soon after September 11 and is now holed up in Pakistan waiting for clearance. Nand Kaur is just back from a visit of the UNHCR office in Jorbagh. "Not that she will get much help from there," feels Manohar Singh. According to the Khalsa Diwan, Sikh refugees are actually "nowhere" people in India. They are not top priority with the UN body because they are of Indian origin. "So the thinking there is that since they have reached India they can now fend for themselves," he explains. But actually these people are wretchedly poor, more so because the bread-winning male members are often still in Afghanistan and the women have no education or skills to speak of. The Khalsa Diwan runs a small school where classes include vocational training in sewing and a few crafts. The school also provides some elementary literacy training and a basic computer course. "But it is a drop in the ocean", concedes Singh. Only a handful of Sikh families have been able to come into India after the US attacks and even these include only those people who had already been issued a Pakistani visa before the attacks began. "Though my son had been issued a visa, he was still reluctant to leave Kandahar because we have a lot of land there and leaving all that behind to come to India and live like this was not an appealing idea," explains Nand Kaur. But then the WTC strikes happened and a numbing fear psychosis rippled through Afghanistan. "My son knew then that he just had to get out of there, and very quickly". A number of people like Talwar Singh are now stranded in Pakistan. At the moment, for Afghan Sikhs perhaps the only thing worse than being stuck in Pakistan is being stuck in Kabul or Kandahar. "The atmosphere is very tense. We have heard reports from our people there. They must be very discreet in their movements, and there is this constant fear of being harassed or being picked on just because they are Sikhs," says Singh. Nanad Kaur fears for her son: "He must be careful… but that is not easy given that because of his pagri he’s going to stand out… I hope the military does not harass him. I go to the Khalsa Diwan everyday but there is no news." The apex Sikh body for religious affairs, the Amritsar-based Shiromani Gurdwara Prabandhak Committee (SGPC) is working with the National Minorities Commission to bring these Sikhs safely out of Pakistan. According to SGPC secretary, G.S. Bachan, as many as 230 Sikhs have fled to Pakistan, after September 11 and are waiting for visas to enter India : "There are families in Peshawar, Panja Sahib Gurdwara [in Hasan Abdal some 45 km from Rawalpindi] and Lahore. I have specific information from the Indian High Commission in Islamabad that over 45 of them have been granted travel papers to enter India and are expected to cross over from Wagah either by the Samjhauta Express or on foot." Talwar Singh, like other fleeing Sikhs, left Kandahar by road. Nand Kaur doesn’t know the details of his journey but she knows that he reached the Chaman border post in Pakistan about a week later. "He is now in the Panja Sahib Gurdwara and will have to stay in Pakistan for sometime more," she adds vaguely. All she knows is that he will probably have to remain in Pakistan for a long time. Nand Kaur also has a daughter. The girl is married to a land-owning family in Kandahar. "I don’t know how she is, if she is still alive or if her husband is OK. There has been no news. But then she is a girl, so this is her fate," adds Nand Kaur. And until Talwar Singh, Gulab Singh, and others like them arrive, the incomplete families of Old Mahavir Nagar will wait out their lives silently in their new cubby-hole homes. There is little else they can do.

Ofcourse we should avoid too much of everything(be it eating,playing or anything) but pertaining only sugar with khalsa rehat is nothing but Dogma.

btw balwinder veerji could you plz explain me what do you mean when you say there is no sin in sikhi? I mean there. are lot refrances in Guru granth sahib ji where sin is reffered as existant bharieea mat paapaa ke saang sunieaa dukh paap na naash paapo paap kamaavday paapay pacheh pachaa-ay.

untitled singh ji Aren't patashey in phaul also sugar and also sugar is in degh. Where is it written in gurbani to avoid sugar? Ofcourse kundalini yoga and the self created mantras of 3HO are against rehat. There are lots of sources where guru sahib says that the problem lies with our mind what are body postures going to do? Keep in mind 3HO doesnt do yoga for physical exercise but for spiritual enlightment, very anti gurmat.

This is absolutly phenomenal.. I am speechless. Wonders of God are miracles. Manveer singh ji, Radhi Kaur and Nishaan you have made my day :doh:

any help'd be appreciated

BHai sahib my computer has also got a dialer in it that why my modem keeps dialing for a number. plz help me.

thanks for al your responses. I will try that Ranz killa but being ignorant in computers I would like to have something downloaded off the internet. If I can use that Microsoft version on my Win 98 computer that would be great. Please tell me if that can work. on the other side i have found these antispywares http://toolbar.yahoo.com/ http://www.trendmicro.com/spyware-scan/ what you say, should I go ahead with them if you think Microsoft wont work?

I have found that it is spyware ie on my computer

can i use it on win98?

I have got some adware on my computer and I can't seem to set a homepage that I want -as everytime I do it, the explorer always open a blank site and a security message pops up from some dialer company. Also my modem keeps trying to connect to the telephone line even as I am not on dialup network and there is no telephone wire plugged into the modem. I have tried ad-aware removal,spybot and norton 2004(norton tells me to update my software). plz help me here.

Happy Birthday Khalsa ji... :wub: May Waheguru bless you

ya it was once mine too. you can talk to joginder singh and I told him to publish issues on punjab . He said we dont support propaganda yet there crew was all there to welcome manmohan singh when sikhs were protesting outside white house...LOL hypocrisy. No wonder they always get so against khalistan.

what is more shameful is that, once I emailed sikhnet news staff jogindersingh@sikhnet.com to publish such news sources on the sikhnet website and the reply I got was that "sikhnet is not intrested in politcal propaganda" They are always publishing pro-india news and hardly any news that would elevate our issues.

Ever Wonder why everytime Sikhs protests, there is a bomb blast in India or in South Asia? How successful is GOI in taking away the media's attention away from Sikhs rights. http://khalistan-affairs.org/home/khalista...5/august24.aspx Who could have arranged the 435 synchronized bomb blasts which rattled Bangladesh on August 17? INDIA! Were these bomb blasts meant to side track the demand for justice, activated by the wishy washy Nanavati Report, for the victims of the November 1984 Sikh massacres? What will it do to the Bombay stock market if Pakistan decides to support Bangladesh by testing a Shaheen II missile off Chittagong in the Bay of Bengal? Washington, D.C., Wednesday, August 24, 2005 - Last Wednesday August 17, 2005, a world record four hundred and thirty five synchronized bomb blasts ripped through 63 of Bangladesh's 64 district headquarters (and capital Dhaka) within a short span of half an hour (from 10:30 a.m. to 11 a.m. local time) killing two and injuring 150. All these 435 bombs detonated (just two hours after the Bangladesh Prime minister Begum Khaleda Zia left Dacca by air on a 5-day state visit to China) rattled the Bangladesh nation of 145 million. The bombers in Bangladesh meticulously left identical literature with Arabic and English writing, it is reported, near every site where the blasts took place. Obviously it was a well organized act of terrorism by some underground organizatuion the like of which the world has never seen. Or, was it state sponsored terrorism by a neighboring country of Bangladesh with a common border, like India or Myanmar? The 435 synchronised bomb blasts have rattled the Bangladesh nation of 145 million and the people are in a state of shock. The 435 bomb blasts in Bangladesh have also diverted and side tracked the media attention (and turned the eyes of the world on to that impoverished nation) instead of staying put on New Delhi and Punjab, where the beleagured Sikh minority community was creating news by demanding justice. The Sikhs were making the weak Manmohan Singh government nervous, by coming out on the streets in protests not only in Delhi, but also in the Punjab, demanding justice for a 21-years old November 1984 crime against humanity in which ten thousand innocent Sikh men, women and children were mercilessly murdered by Hindu mobs. These Sikh protests started in Delhi a few minutes after the tabling of the Justice Nanavati recommendations, and the government's 'Action Taken Report', in the Indian parliament on August 8, 2005. The wishy washy judicial report, which took Justice Nanavati five years to draft instead of the sanctioned six months, was supposed to find out who were the guilty parties who murdered the ten thousand innocent Sikh men, women and children all over urban India, in a 3-day police-supervised killing spree in November 1984. Massacres carried out in those three days during the nation-wide state-supervised anti-Sikh pogroms, were sanctioned, with a 'wink and a nod', as everyone knows, by the then Prime minister Rajiv Gandhi. That mass murderer, a scion of the Nehru dynasty, has been let off scot free by the Justice Nanavati Commission. This Nanavati Commission report has been overtaken by the 435 bomb explosions in Bangladesh on August 17, 2005. Stray occurrences of explosive assaults have happened in Bangladesh over the years, but they have always been locale-specific and have had express targets in mind. But the explosive coordination seen on August 17 covered all 64 districts of Bangladesh, except one bomb in one district did not go off. According to media reports all these 435 blasts had been triggered by timing devices, spread over wide areas going off within a short span of time, has shaken the whole world. Most of the blasts occurred near government buildings, press clubs and courts. The operation took effective and cool-headed command and coordination ability and sound organizational skill to be able to mount this kind of a mass terror attack. Obviously it took a lot of competence to be able to hoodwink the assortment of military and civil intelligence agencies and civil security forces in 64 districts of Bangladesh. It points to a great amount of time and thought that had gone into the planning, including how to dupe the intelligence and security organizations. Only a professional organization with hundreds of well trained operatives, at its beck and call, who have the backing of a state and its vast resources can undetake such an ambitious covert mission. The number of synchronized bomb blasts (435 bombs) and the sophisticated planning suggest that some neighbouring country master-minded and organized the bomb blasts to destabilize Bangladesh as no militant organization - no matter how well organized or how popular or how well entrenched - can muster such vast resources, such synchronization, such precision, without anyone knowing about the clandestine activity. Which country could be behind the bomb blasts, is the question that comes to mind? Only Myanmar and India have a common border with Bangla Desh. Bangladesh has a short land border of 193 kilometers with Myanmar and a long 4, 053 kilometers border with India. Other neighboring countries are Nepal, Bhutan and China but they have no common land border with Bangladesh. Distances of other South Asian countries like Sri Lanka, Maldives, Pakistan, and Afghanistan from Bangladesh are too far. That distance will not allow the undetected injection of a thousand covert operatives into Bangladesh to mingle with the natives, who would be needed to carry out 435+ synchronized bomb blasts, spread over thousands of square kilometers of territory with such precision. According to the Daily Star, a Dacca-based English language newspaper of Bangladesh, the Indian High Commissioner (ambassador) to Bangladesh, Ms.Veena Sikri, told an Indian TV station, in a remarkable interview, within hours of the 435 bomb blasts on August 17, that, "Those who wanted to establish Islamic rule conducted the 435 bomb attacks in Bangladesh." How could that Indian diplomat, Ms. Veena Sikri, know such details, at that point in time on August 17, when it has taken the whole machinery of the Bangladesh government three days (August 21) to get some foggy details of the 435 bomb blasts? Obviously High Commissioner Veena got carried away with the success of the covert mission and in the process proved the time-tested truism with her arrogant and undiplomatic conduct, that "People always overdo the matter when they attempt deception." India, it seems, passes the famous 'Duck Test' ("If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and walks like a duck, it is a duck") on this particular spectacular, but spine-chilling, act of state terrorism on August 17 in Bangladesh the like of which the world has not seen. A minister of the Bangla Desh government has also publicly charged - reported in the media - as have other observors that, "India is trying to present Bangladesh as a terrorist country before the world community to create grounds for outside (read Indian) intervention and/or topple the current Bangla Desh's alliance government," which every one knows does not like to kow tow to Delhi. The blasts could also be used as an excuse to nix the twice postponed SAARC summit of South Asian leaders scheduled to be held in Dacca inNovember 2005. It is obvious the Indians, like typical bullies, want smaller and weaker Bangladesh to say 'uncle'. To think of it, all this fits in. India is a country, with a corrupt social/economic order which uses state-sponsored terrorism as an instrument of state policy against minorities like the Sikhs, Christians and Muslims and to control the twenty nations which have been captive in the Indian 'map' since 1947 - like Khalistan, Nagalim, Sikkim, Hyderabad, Goa, Junagadh, Mysore, Rohilkhand, Tamilnad et al., who want to be free. The mass murder of ten thousand innocent Sikh men, women and children in a November 1984 pogrom, and another five thousand Sikhs in the June 1984 massacre before that, and an exact repeat in Bombay in 1993, where hundreds of Muslims were murdered, and Gujarat in the year 2002 (where 2, 000 Muslims were also murdered) and twenty places elsewhere in India, are examples of Indian state-terrorism as is the decades long Indian army brutality on the inhabitants of Kashmir and former Assam in the North East. No wonder, as a violent reaction to Indian state terrorism and unjust criminal social/economic order the writ of the Naxalite rebels now runs in two hundred and twenty districts covering 40 to 45 per cent of India's rural territory. Yes 45% of India's total area of 1, 269, 345 sq. miles, is now affected by insurgencies of one kind or another with Naxalite rule expanding each day like a prairie fire. We have no doubt that India has opened a pandora's box with these 435 bomb blasts. For example, the independent existance of Bangladesh, at this point in time, is in the interest of both nuclear-armed Pakistan and China as well as Nepal. What if Pakistan bared its missile 'teeth' by testing a Shaheen II missile in the Bay of Bengal, off Chitagong as a gesture of support to beleaguered Bangladesh? What would that do to the Bombay stock market or the growing trade between the two Punjabs? As far as the Sikhs are concerned, specially the twenty two million captive in India, they must continue with their protests in the short term, in conjunction with the three milllion strong Sikh diaspora, till the guilty for the November 1984 pogrom are properly punished and all the innocent Sikh victims of those massacres have been properly rehabilitated by the Indian government. We Sikhs, who are in the middle, ought to also keep an eye on Pakistani reaction to the Indian under-handed geopolitical bomb blast provocation, in Bangladesh on August 17, 2005, lest the situation gets out of hand. For the long term there is only one solution. We Sikhs must establish a democractic buffer state of Khalistan, stretching from the Jumna river on the East, to the Pakistan border on the West, Kashmir on the North and China on the North East, which will act as a bridge of peace and commerce between South Asia and the seven Stans (Pakistan, Afghanistan, Kyrgiztan, Tajikistan, Uzbeckistan, Turkmanistan & Kazakistan) and beyond to the Middle East and Europe.

Thanks for that Site kurtas veer ji Singstah bhaji I have sent you my address thru mail. Did you get it?

I tried to browse the site of Sikh Missionary, but they don't have this name "punjabi for beginners " on their site. Could anyone send a copy to me if I send them my address becasue it is kind of urgent. sincerely,

My american sister has to learn Punjabi. Are there any good books to learn Gurmukhi first? Please help thanks

LOL at mehtab veer Maybe you should open a comedy school, i have a great sense of humour for your comedy.. raju You are right, but because Guru were compeltly merged with wahegur, they were only influenced by him As he writes Raam rahim puran koran bahut kahe matt ek na janioo I didn't listen to puran,vedas,sementic texts , what I said was God who uttered thru me. You see God commnicats to us through nature by coming in nature, he doesn't have to become nature.

jagmeet bhaji how you tarka the raw beans. Aren't you supposed to cook them in pressure cooker. Do you have any recipe? I really don't care as long as my hunger is gone, but it shouldn't take more than half an hour to cook. dhanwad