jasleen k

and there are a lot of honest hard working sikhs, including some of my family, who would be brutally impacted by this "heavenly garden" idea. besides, if amritsar is going to be destroyed anyway, what's the point in "improving" harimandir sahib anyway? btw- i'm going to guess that you don't have a job, because hey, it's all maya and the world is going to end tomorrow anyway. kirt karo can't be that important, right? i mean, it's only from the mouth of GURU JI! :gg:

Bhainjee, please don't misquote, gurbaaaneee, the disease guroosaaheb talks of is not of a physical disease but its of a mental disease the haumae disease not a physical disease. my apologies, veerji, i thought gurbani could be applied to many different situations in life. personally, i think naam is a bit more powerful than haaldi, but hey, i could be wrong.

All my posts are directed towards everyone including me, unless otherwise stated. If you think it was full of ego, you're welcome to think so, I was trying to portray a sight which you have missed out. Untrue and insulting assumptions? Right, could you clear them up? ahaaha! thanks for the laugh :lol: i'm glad you find my interest in Guru ji amusing. it speaks volumes. ok let's see... i don't insist my life is about anything except learning more about Sikhi. i do understand why i came here, to learn. i am doing something that pleases me, learning. i am staying out of resentment and anger, and i don't imagine anyone but myself is keeping me from my joy. you have no idea how i think about anything, including my body. that's just the first bit. the insinuations about alcohol and tobacco are also a bit rude. but as you say, you're talking to everyone, not only me (as your post seemed), then perhaps you're not accusing me of these things. thank you for clearing that up. i appreciate it. thank you for taking the time to enlighten this moorakh.

@satori was that ENTIRE post directed at me? it is chock full of E-G-O, and a bit rude as well. you make a lot of untrue and insulting assumptions there. if you're trying to provoke anger so you can say "i told you so", sorry. not gonna happen today. anyway, thanks for the informative article. i guess i'm a little bit more concerned with what my Guru teaches than what native americans or african tribes teach. fateh!

right. the kapda is too wide, so he has to tear the whole length of the kapda to make it the correct width. right? i do this every time i get a new dastaar. or am i missing something really obvious here.

veerji, removing your kirpan for a limited amount of time is not a kurehet you have to pesh for. you simply do ardaas and put it back on. i tend to keep my gatra on while i fly, so that i can replace my kirpan immediately upon landing. even damdami taksal's rehet says that this is acceptable (i think they refrain from food or drink during the time the kirpan is seperated from their body). btw, how did you meet these sikhs in india who don't fly? you must have flown there yourself, right? you'd never get the chance to met such respected sikhs if you didn't fly there.

i see. ok, but until them, how about we allow these hard working sikh merchants to do their maya business in peace, so they can feed their maya families with their hard earned maya money.

you are correct. and so many were destroyed by the gov't after bluestar... it would be shameful to destroy the shops that remain.

Exactly! this kirpaan removal leads to 2 kurehits. One gets separated from a kakaar which is a body part and secondly, one gets shastar-heenas. A pakka sikh shud die before getting shastar-heenas. so i'm guessing that neither of you has family overseas? what about those of us who do? even my family in america is four days drive from where i am! for some of us, not using air travel is not an option. even if you don't have family far away, think of all the smagaams you'd miss! oh wait, there wouldn't be any more smagaams, because none of the raagis would be able to travel to them!

great idea. that's exactly what congress did when they "fixed up" harimandir sahib after bluestar. they demolished the shops of hundreds of hard working Sikh merchants, forcing them to move to areas where there was less foot traffic, and less business. my father in law was one of these Sikhs who were forced to move. Congress said they'd pay for the shops, but it took more than 20 years for him to get any reparation money from the gov't, and they paid according to '80's land values. they were lucky, back then it was still possible to purchase shop space for a reasonable amount of money (though not in amritsar proper). though a lot of hard work over the years, the space where they moved to has flourished. but today, it's simply not possible for small business owners to relocate anywhere in or near amritsar. land prices there incredibly inflated. so sure, create a nice green park and destroy hundreds or thousands of sikh families in the process. all so it "looks pretty". there's already a garden around it, why not beautify that existing area, rather than smashing the shops that feed so many families? i suppose in this golden age no one will need to eat or work or feed their families? to which location will you relocate everyone who's shops and homes you destroy?

Thanks! note: it's really hard to cut a straight line for such a long length of fabric. cut a small snip at one end, where you want to cut it, then you can tear the fabric from that point and it will stay straight and even. because of the weave of this fabric, it won't ruin the edges to tear it like this.

first, for Sikhs, it's not divali, it's bandi chhor divas. we celebrate the return of Guru Hargobind Sahib to Harimandir Sahib, after he was released from prison. we light candles in memory of this. the candles originally lit up Harimandir Sahib to welcome Guru ji home. at least this is my understanding. now if they start opening windows so laxmi can fly in them, THAT i would worry about!

i agree. this is one reason i suggested nishkam... they have a special project of constructing homes and schools for "sikligar" Sikhs, an impoverished group of "low caste" sikhs who have been the weapons makers of the Khalsa from the time of Guru Gobind Singh ji. spread throughout india, they have managed to keep incredible rehet (you never see them with cut hair, daroo, etc). helping to uplift these people links us to our history, our Guru, and even give us insight into our own sikhi. anyway, just thought i'd share. good luck on your venture!

nishkam does incredible work with the "forgotten" sikhs (so-called low caste sikhs), as well as with '84 widows. i'm a great fan of theirs. www.nishkam.org i'm also a huge fan (and volunteer/member) of united sikhs, who are currently doing incredible work with flood victims in punjab and the southeast US. they've done a lot of incredible disaster relief work. they provide legal assistance to sikhs for discrimination cases (turban, kirpan, anything). they teach english in poor villiages. they have a HUGE right to turban campaign going in france. basically they're incredibly diverse and operate with nonprofit status in every country with a large sikh population. right now they desperately need money and supplies for current flood relief projects in punjab. www.unitedsikhs.org also remember that your dasvandh doesn't have to go to Sikhs only, it can go to anyone in need. it doesn't have to be in the form of cash, it can be in time as well. working at your local homeless shelter or food bank is a great way to share Guru ji's institution of langar with the general public. anyway, just some suggestions. shastars distribution sounds good too. :gatka-singhni:

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ok, i'm confused. how come people always go on about how monay are not real sikhs, but when two monay punish someone, they're suddenly "great Singhs"? they're a couple of thugs in jail who killed another thug. yes, i think phoola got what he deserved. but if these guys are such great singhs, how come they're wearing caps instead of turbans? in other words, how come we look the other way when a mona does something we agree with? in any other situation people would be saying he's not a proper sikh. what's the deal?

ਆਪੇ ਬੀਜਿ ਆਪੇ ਹੀ ਖਾਹੁ that pretty much answers the question "why".

how can you know the difference. do they wear signs? i mean, when you walk into a gurdwara langar hall, do you go inspect the kitchen and interrogate the sevadars before eating? sorry, i just wonder how one is supposed to keep such strict dietary habits and still partake of Guru ji's langar with the sadh sangat.

Not Punjabi style pagg with shirt-pant? :sad: lol... it's personal choice. my husband only wore punjabi style turban and a tied beard when i met him. now after marriage, he's usually in gol dastaar or dumalla and always wears his beard open. yes, it was my influence, but now it's completely his choice. :D a strong minded woman will get what she wants either way.

anik oupaavee rog n jaae || rog mittai har avakhadhh laae || All sorts of remedies have not cured the disease - the disease is cured only by giving the medicine of the Lord's Name. waheguru!

muslim sikh? yes, that's contradictory. one cannot follow two faiths at the same time. neither islam nor sikhi would allow this. indian sikh, british sikh, american sikh... no, those are not contradictory. india, britain, and america are simply places. american sikh means a sikh from america. it does not indicate any rank or social standing, it's simply a descriptive term. when one attaches the "caste" to the word sikh, it is only to try to show superiority/inferiority, which is contrary to gurmat and so yes, "jatt sikh" is contradictory. i hope you can understand this, if not, feel free to ask questions. -jasleen (american sikh, no caste thank you very much) kaur veerji, sometimes i read your posts and think i might have written them myself.

that's not true. what about people who live in climates which do not allow pure vegetarian diets? what about primitive and nomadic peoples who do not have the capability to grow crops? our teeth and digestive system are clearly designed for an omnivorous (veg and/or non veg) diet. HOWEVER, in the modern world, we are lucky to have the convenience of being able to eat a purely vegetarian diet and still get our necessary proteins (dal, dairy, soy, etc), so it is no longer necessary to consume meat for most people. for me, there's only one reason that matters when it comes to not eating meat. Guru ji's hukam.

"puratan desi" medicine is Ayurveda, right? you can find Ayurvedic clinics, practicioners and schools in every part of the world. most major medical schools in the US offer courses in Ayurvedic medicine. is it necessary that the provider be a nihung? kind of "medicinal bibek"?

:o so now the "key to gurbani" speaks "jatvaad"??? "doabasher", i think your statement was incredibly insulting. this obsession with "caste" has crossed the line. is there any rule in the community against insulting Guru ji's most trusted and respected associates?

correct me if i'm wrong, but doesn't bibek mean "discernment" or "discrimination"? it's the ability to use gian (knowledge), correct? it seems to me that if you live with someone for months on end, you might have a pretty good idea of their lifestyle, ie: they are pure veg, don't drink or smoke or do drugs, etc. so maybe your "bibek" would be to allow this clean living and helpful person into your kitchen to do seva? bibek isn't only about eating from iron utensils, right? sorry, just a thought.