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GosH! Very Inspiring! May we all learn and do something positive with our lives. <_<

We are a religion, nation and people. Sikhs: - distinct way of life - distinct appearance - distinct sovereign authority and own flag - distinct national anthem - distinct history - distinct democracy of the Khalsa Panth under the umbrella of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. - distinct ruler - Sri GurU Granth Sahib Ji - distinct high authority - Sri Akaal Takhat Sahib <_<

The Muslim representative kept saying "we should unite - we are all British Asians" Jagtar Singh, "I am not Asian. I am British Sikh. I am born in Europe, hold a British passport and am a Sikh - so I am British Sikh" Muslim rep: "No! We are all Asian... we should unite... racists will not see that you are Sikh, Hindu or Muslim - we are all the same, we are targets of racism" Jagtar Singh highlighted that the Muslim rep was born in East Africa - so how does he become "British Asian"??? Other points highlighted in the show by presenters and listeners: - "Asians" technically involves Russians, Arabs, Chinese etc... why are they not labelled by the government and media as "Asians" and no-one makes a hoo-haa... but when Sikhs ask to be called "Sikhs" and not "Asians" then people make a big deal - Govt. Rep = there will be too many option boxes on the form if we add Sikhs on it - then Irish will want a box, Scottish, Welsh etc. - British Govt. recognised Sikhs as a distinct ethnic group and race in 1983 - Sikhs are distinct and not the same as Hindus and Muslims as the pro-Asian label person was saying. We have turban and beard! So yes a person can tell that we are different from the rest of Asian communities. - If we were recognised by media and government as a separate identity (away from Asians) then public would become more aware of Sikhs and government can properly monitor and provide needs specific to the Sikh community. - "All Sikhs are are British Asians"... Jagtar Singh - "So I a White Sikh living in UK is "British Asian"?" - Muslims want to use label Asians for themselves and others (like Hindus and Muslims) to share the load and shame caused by extremist Muslims across the world.

Sikh federation nicely representin - Asian communities in post sept. 11 britain www.bbc.co.uk/asiannetwork 10 am - 11 am

should we eat pizzza, chips, juice, or wear jeans?? According to Kala Afghana if it is not mentioned in Sri GUru Granth Sahib Ji then it is not part of Sikh (i.e. Manmat). Rab Raka! Sorry forgot to mention - It would have been better (in my opinion) that Kala Afghana's arguments were all answered using Gurmat by the Akaal Takhat Jathedaar Joginder Singh Vedaanti and the other Singh Sahibaans. The trend of ex-communicating people for stuff without defending Gurmat or challenging the accused people's anti-panthic propaganda seems to be a weakness of the Panthic leaders. Answering people like Kala Afghana's anti-panthic views would have: 1) seem more respectable 2) educated the Panth and made the panth more confident on facing anti-panthic challenges 3) seems logical 4) you would expect a reason for ex-communicating someone, you need proof (i.e. gurmat) bhul chuk maaf

Anything other than Guru Granth Sahib Ji - he does not believe it. He does not believe in the status of the Khalsa Panth as Guru Panth. He does not believe in the status of Sri Akaal Takhat Sahib. Things which would be condemned by Kala Afghana because they are not from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji: - Panthic Ardaas (not from Guru Granth Sahib Ji) - Guru's Fateh (Because it's not from Guru Granth Sahib Ji, so you shouldn't great another Sikh with it (???)) - Panj Kakkaars and Amrit Sanchaar = not from Guru Granth Sahib Ji - Jaikaaraa (saying Bole So Nihaal, Sat Sri akaal would be opposed because not in Guru Granth Sahib Ji). To these silly comments of Gurbaksh Singh Kala Afghana.... all i got to say is :"Shame shame shame" "Khalsa Mero Roop Hai Khaas, Khalsa Mai Hau Karo Nivaas" Guru's instructions, the Khalsa's Rehat and instructions and Rehat Maryada = all in accordance to the teachings of Guru Granth Sahib and are not in opposition to Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

For those who cannot read Panjabi - Daas will translated the main points which makes Kala Afghana Anti-Panthic: http://www.khalsaalliance.org/index.ppa?pa...index&article=6

http://www.panthkhalsa.org/kala/kala.ppa

Baldeep Singh Paaji - respect to u for what you did today... very admirable! A lot of people would have just sworn or summit - but you played smart and made the people laughin look like fools. As I was walking to Iceland I walked past 3 Kaale munde.... they were about 8, 9 and 11 years old or so.... as I walked pass, I heard one of the boys say to the other, "Bin Laden". But I thought, chalo teek hai, the kid is a kid and he didn't say it with hatred, rather he was bit thick. <_< Funniest is when I once walked past a group of drunk tramps. One said, "look, look there's Bin Laden pointing at me. " The other tramp then started to focus and attentively looked at me as I walked pass and said to other tramp: "Nah, nah, thats not Bin Laden. Leave him alone." :wub: I was like "Bechaare" - i don't think they were being racist, rather i think they were soo drunk they didn't know what they were seeing or saying. Rab Raake. Maharaaj Ohne te Mehar Hath Rake. :doh: :wub:

I went out to do some food shopping at Iceland (near Waterloo Station, London). I was wearing a white Kurta Pyjama and Black Dastaaar. When I got in Iceland I sensed the security guard was staring at me. He looked like he was Albanian or something (very fair skin). As I was walking down the shopping isle, the security guard walked passed still looking and it looked as if he wanted to say something to me, but he didn't :mconfu: When I got to the other side of the shop, the security guard came up and said (in a East European accent), "You Mr. Singh? Harbhajan Singh Crickter dress like you... He Mr. Singh and you Mr. Singh... you look nice in your dress... Harbhajan Singh wears those clothes... very nice... I like it... i felt happy seeing you in your dress when you came in shop." :T: I thought he was gonna stop me coz he saw my Kirpaan (coz my jacket was happen), but he stopped to say how he like my dastaar and Kurta. <_< The bloke was really happy and very polite. Nice to know the Sikhs in the media like Harbhajan Singh are giving a positive impression to people who watch cricket etc. :wub: I thought I would share this small nice incident with the Sangat.

Rehat Maryada.... Rehat = from word Rehni (way of living).... Maryada = mar means death and yaad = remembrance Rehat Maryada = Way of liviing whereby we remember death always... imagine if someone told u today "Bhai Sahib/ Penji... sorry we have discovered you have cancer, you have til the weekend maximum to live...." How would that effect you? You would wanna make the most of your time... ie. not backbite, not be nasty, love everyone, look over other's shortcoming etc .... this is a Sikh way of life coz we remember death always. Guru Nanak Sahib was against organised, institutionalised, formal religion. These are religions which = heirarchy, monopoly on truth, hypocrisy, little or no spirituality, infested with rituals and more rituals. Sikhi = none of that! However todays Sikhi we are going back down the line of doing what Guru Nanak Sahib Ji opposed! - Akhand Paats = ritualistic - paying gyanis to do paat = not spiritual, no benefit, no better than the Brahmans who say "we read the Veds so many times" etc - "Priests" -- Sikhs have no priesthood but due our inability to bother to learn Gurbaani, learn how to do Parkaash, Sukhaasan and do Guru Sahib's sewa, we rely on Gyanis to do everything! We have made Granthi Singhs a "priesthood" - without them we cant get married, have a funeral or do the Sunday diwaan. - Heirarchy -- Akaal Takhat Jathedaar = Panth da sewadaar who is supposed to represent the Panth's decisions however its more like one man show and acting more like the Pope...... Gurdwara Committees = without them nothing is allowed and they are wrapped in ego...... - Rituals -- placing water under Guru Ji's throne, Lighting insense thinking its for religious purposes, doing "Aarti" etc..... rituals which have no significance, but creeping into Sikhi!

" beauty is in the eye of the beholder" attraction = illusion some of us get trapped in the beauty of food, some of us get trapped in the beauty of clothes, for others its the beauty of men or beauty of women which they get caught in. "Jio supnaa ar pekhnaa aise jag kau jaan. en mai kachh saacho nehee naanak bin bhagvaan" "Recognise the world just as a seeing a dream. Nothing is true in it, O Nanak, apart from God alone." Marriage to opposite sex = benefits: 1/ Balance Kaam 2/ Have kids (who will look after you and the Panth <_< ) 3/ Spiritual partner - help you in Sikhi and following Guru's Hukam 4/ Physical partnership in life - women's virtues + man's virtues = advantage Appreciate the world and everything but don't get caught into it. Homosexuals to my understanding get caught up in the beauty of man/women (their own sex) - which = illusion of Maya ... not end of world... illusion of Maya is destroyed through: 1/ Gurbaani & Naam Simran 2/ Saadh Sangat & Sewa 3/ Waheguru's Kirpaa We can either feed our illusion or we can try to get away with it. Feeding the illusion = through illicit films, television programmes which feeds images, sounds and thoughts to our minds... through listening to others talk about illicit things etc Destroying it = hanging around with good Sadh Sangat, keeping in a spiritual environment, feeling Guru Ji and Waheguru's presence always

http://panthic.org/news/131/ARTICLE/1190/2005-04-03.html:)

Gurmat Reflection of Southall Nagar Kirtan by Manvir Singh Khalsa (U.K.) Origin Nagar Kirtans originate from ‘Parbaat Pheris’ (Parbaat literally means ‘early morning,’ and Pheri means ‘going around’). The Parbaat Pheri would consist of a Gursikh carrying a vaaja (harmonium) tied to themselves, some people would carry chhainey (bells), and one person would carry a dholki. Early in the morning the group of Gursikhs would walk around the village or city singing shabads and people would join them as they walked past their homes. Leading the jatha (group) would be the people leading the shabad singing and a Gursikh carrying a Nishan Sahib. The processions gave opportunity for people to enjoy the bliss of singing the Lord’s Praises, an opportunity to distribute relevant and useful Gurmat literature to the public and also share a positive image of the Guru's Khalsa. In recent history we have started doing processions which include Guru Maharaaj's Sawaari (without Prakaash) and also Panj Pyaare leading the procession. Benefit of Traditional Nagar Kirtan The traditional Nagar Kirtans or Parbaat Pheris inspired people to sing Gurbaani and gave them opportunity to distribute educational material in regards to Gurmat. Seeing Chardikala Gursikhs in public singing Kirtan provided the public and youngsters with positive role models and good impressions of what and who Sikhs are. The whole event would have a community spirit, gathering the community together and inspiring others to sing and understand Gurbaani. Today’s Nagar Kirtans What do we learn or take away from Nagar Kirtans organised nowadays? We end up eating loads of delicious food, like pakorae, jalebian, ladoo, sholay bhatoorae and chips etc. It seems there is so much nice food and so many people wanting to distribute it to the Sangat that we end up squeezing as much food as possible into our stomachs. Looking around Southall Nagar Kirtan, I saw large and small Nishan Sahibs everywhere and anywhere. Young children, teenagers and older youngsters were holding Nishan Sahibs and having a laugh with their mates. I thought to myself, “Do they know the value of the Nishan Sahib?’ “How is it that we have made devalued our Nishan Sahib so much that it is found everywhere and anywhere and being treated with little or no reverence or respect?” When the Nagar Kirtan had finished and the road blocks were lifted, youngsters born in Sikh families had decorated their cars with Khandas. Driving up and down the Broadway and Kings Street boys and girls were flirting and making a show and display of themselves. The Gursikhs I was with and myself were disarrayed with how the Guru’s Khanda, bestowed upon us by the Sixth Nanak had been made into a fashion accessory which is commercialised by shopkeepers at Vaisakhi time. How productive are today’s Nagar Kirtans in educating, promoting and highlighting Gurmat Last Sunday’s Southall Nagar Kirtan seemed very minimal in its effect in promoting and educating youngsters and the public about Gurmat. It should be mentioned that were children on floats singing Gurbaani and also children accompanying their parents who were singing along with shabads being sung. However, unfortunately they were a minority. The large number of people were talking amongst themselves, looking for the nearest place to get some nice food or busy looking out to see for people they knew in the crowd. I felt shame and disgust in seeing people dancing, and stupidly waving their arms (similar postures to what Bhangra artists do when singing and dancing to songs) to Dharmic (religious) songs about Guru Gobind Singh Ji and the Khalsa. The float in concern was the Desi Radio float. There is nothing wrong or objectionable about playing Dharmic songs in the Nagar Kirtan procession. However, Dharmic songs are played for people to be educated, inspired and for them to act upon the message in the lyrics. Songs singing about Guru Gobind Singh Ji and the Khalsa are not designed to dance to but to think and act upon. Not being able to tolerate the disrespect of the dancers and the Desi Radio’s float and dancers bringing down the Gurmat tone of the Nagar Kirtan, I approached the clean-shaven dancers and two Singhs (who are Kirtani) who were standing with them. They justified themselves that is part of Vaisakhi culture, and that we are celebrating “kushi” (happiness) of the Khalsa. Myself and two other Gursikhs politely told them that the Nagar Kirtan which is being led the Panj Pyaare and Guru Granth Sahib Ji is a religious event and not cultural event. There is a time and place for doing Bhangra to songs. And that Guru’s Kushi is not in dancing but in taking positive steps in becoming better Sikhs and following the Guru’s Hukam. They persisted to justify themselves by arguing that they had danced in the Nagar Kirtan procession for six years running and no-one ever has stopped them before. This highlights the question of what are the Parbandhaks and organiser doing to maintain Gurmat in the Nagar Kirtan procession and what impression are these types of things setting to our youngsters? Generally the whole atmosphere of the Nagar Kirtan (like in other towns and cities) was of a street carnival. Conclusion of Southall Nagar Kirtan & today’s Nagar Kirtans in generalTo my experience and understanding, last Sunday’s Southall Nagar Kirtan had no or very little positive effect on youngsters. No one learn anything about Guru Ji, about the Khalsa, about Rehat (Sikh way of life & discipline) or about Gurbaani. There was no person or no thing in the Nagar Kirtan procession or the whole day event which inspiring. Thought to take awayWe are celebrating 306 years of the Khalsa Panth. We should ask ourselves what do we learn from Vaisakhi of 1699 and the establishment of the Khalsa Panth? How do we improve ourselves, and what steps do we take to change and adjust our lives to become closer to Guru Ji and receiving the True Kushee (happiness) of Guru Gobind Singh Ji. bhul chuk maaf karnee ji

a short story : 5 enemies of mankind 5 enemies of mankind One day, a Sikh named Kadhari, came to see the 2nd Guru Ji - Guru Angad Dev Ji. He had come in a "vairaag", bowed down before Guru Ji and asked the following question. Q. The five enemies of mankind, namely lust, anger, greed, worldly attachment and the ego have surrounded the whole world. How can we save ourselves from their deadly clutches? If we can know them then some defence against them is possible, but most of the world is not even aware of their existence. Guru Angad Dev ji gave a "parman" or example. He told the Sikh that, when a jungle catches fire most of the animals are unable to run to safety and so they perish. But there is one animal, a deer or "Hiran" which can run so fast and so reaches safety when the jungle is on fire; it runs towards a river, submerges itself in the cold water and escapes being burnt. The fire cannot reach it and it gets peace there or "sukh". Mankind is also surrounded by the fire of "Kal" and he is unable to avoid this fire unlike the deer. Mankind is in trouble; they have no peace of mind in whose house the five robbers of lust, anger, greed, worldly attachments and ego have entered. Can that house be saved? Surely not, because only a few, like the deer, are saved. The river of cold water is the satsang. Guru Ji further explained that satsang is where praise alone is showered in God's Name. In such a "river of satsang" the five evil forces of the mind are destroyed and the coldness against the world's fire is provided by the Guru's shabad or light.

bsbk123.... i agree.. i think you may find that even if you ask a "sikh" child.. "what does vaisakhi mean" .... they would give a similar response. - food - cruizing - flags - traffic Time is precious... how much more time will we lose to educate and inspire the Youth?? Longer it takes, more and more youngsters will get disenchanted with Sikhi and think Sikhi is something which it is not.

What is the point? - Nagar Kirtans originate from "Parbhaat Pheris"... Gursikhs would carry Vaaja, Chhainey, and Dholki and sing shabads early in the morining while walking around the whole village/city... A singh with a long Nishaan Sahib and the Kirtani would lead the singing procession... people would wake up and join the procession and join to sing shabads... the processions also gave oppurtunity to distribute relevant useful Gurmat literature to the public and share a positive image of the Guru's Khalsa. :doh: Since 40 or 50 yrs (to my knowledge) we have started doing processions which include Guru Maharaaj's Sawaari (without Prakaash) and also Panj Pyaare leading the procession. What do you learn? Old style Nagar Kirtans / Parbhaat Pheris inspire people to sing Gurbaani, join Old style Nagar Kirtans give oppurtunity to: 1) Distribute LiteratureSangat and rally the community together. :TH: 2) Provide positive Gursikh role models and positive impression of Sikhs 3) Community spirit 4) Inspiring others to sing and understand Gurbaani 5) "Chant the Name of the Lord, and Inspire Others to Chant the Name of the Lord" :doh: Current day Nagar Kirtans: You learn to: 1) Eat loads of pokarey, langar, jalebis, ladoos and anything else you can squeeze in your stomach. <_< 2) Wave Large and Small Nishaan Sahibs and have a laugh with your mates. 3) Decorate your car with Khandas and drive up and down the town looking for girls/boys. (shame, shame, shame) Are they effective in regards to Gurmat (the Guru's teachings)? - Today's Southall Nagar Kirtan, seemed very minimal in its effect of Gurmat on youngster. - Kirtan being sung was the only Gurmat thing. - People were dancing, and stupidly waving their arms (like Bhangra artists do when singing a love song!) to Dharmic Songs about Guru Gobind Singh Ji and the Khalsa (Desi Radio float) - when i questioned them on their manmat, they sed they had permission of from the Parbandhaks and started kicking off with me and the Gursikh veers with me. :wub: - People were roaming around with Khandas, Nishaan Sahibs and acting as if it was a street carnival. TODAY's NAGAR KIRTAN = HAD NO POSITIVE EFFECT ON YOUNGSTERS (to my experience and understanding).... NO-ONE LEARNT ANYTHING ABOUT GURU JI, ABOUT KHALSA, ABOUT REHAT AND GURBAANI... NO-ONE WAS INSPIRED BY ANYTHING OR ANYONE. :wub: We celebrate 306 years of the Khalsa Panth - but we do learn? how do we improve ourselves and what steps do we take to change and adjust our lives to become closer to Guru Ji and get the Kushee of Guru Gobind Singh Ji. bhul chuk maaf karnee ji.

Vaisakhi Nagar Kirtan... What is the point? What do you learn? Are they effective in regards to Gurmat (the Guru's teachings)? Please share your views and experiences. Thanks

shame shame shame!

Today (Friday) I went to see the Film “Hotel Rwanda”. It illustrates and shows the story of the horrific human crimes, the brutal murder of 800,000 Tutsis by the ruling Hutu tribe in Rwanda during a hundred day massacre in 1994. The story is based on the real-life experiences of Paul Rusebagine, who is a kind-hearted and soft-spoken Hutu manager of a the Hotel Des Mille Collines in the city of Kigali. Rusebagine and his family narrowly escape being brutally massacred. Paul Rusebagine is a true hero. He is responsible for the saving the lives of more than 1,200 Tutsis and Hutu sympathisers, by offering them shelter, food and protection in the four walls of his hotel through bribing greedy Hutu military. The savagery and cold-hearted murder, rape, torture and killing of innocent children truly was moving and brought a tear to my eye when watching it. Watching the film I was shocked to know that the Western countries refused to stop the Genocide. In the game of politics, the UN peace-keepers stood helplessly under the commands of not to fire, while they witnessed horrific mass savage murder. Paul Rusebagine made many contacts as being Hotel manger with foreign ambassadors, army officials and politicians. However, he realised that everyone he thought would help him, turned their backs to him and the cry of the Rwandan suffering. “They have abandoned us, because we are blacks.” The film hit a cord in my heart. How can someone possess so much hatred to drive someone to such savagery. With “Vaheguroo, Vaheguroo, Vaheguroo” on my lips, I thought “Can’t you see God within those innocent children? Can’t the heartless people imagine the women they are dishonouring could be their mothers, their sisters and their daughters? With hatred in your hearts, when will your thirst of blood be quenched?” I reminded me of the Genocides of Kosovo, Bosnia, the anti-Sikh Genocide in 1984 and other mass savagery acts in human history. Explaining the suffering caused by the Hutu to his family, Paul Rusebagine said in the film: “These bad things are committed by people with bad hearts. They commit evil because they are trapped in their anger.” I thought that’s exactly what Gurmat says. When we lose control over our desire, anger, attachment, greed or ego then they manipulate us, and we make ourselves act like barbaric animals. As Sikhs our Guru has told us to help all regardless of their age, gender, race or religion. In a time of need, lets pray that we have the strength, sense and compassion to protect the weak, clothe the naked, feed the power and stand up against tyranny. Our Gurus and Sikh men and women from our history make us proud who lived this message. Watching the film we realise that Sikh history does not have one Paul Rusebagine who risked his life for another, who protected the weak and stood for up justice and righteousness when he had the easy option to give up and let the Tutsis die and save himself. Watching the film I realised that Sikh history is full of Paul Rusebagines, beyond counting, beyond comprehension. From the times of the Guru to World Wars to present day, the Sikhs of the Guru are the Paul Rusebagines of the world. Guru Tegh Bahadar Ji gave us head to save the lives, beliefs and way of life of another nation. If we can all live this message, perhaps we can strive the world a better place, perhaps we can make step closer to make people hate less and love more, perhaps we can take one step closer to making our world a paradise, rather than destructing it. May Vaheguru bless everyone.

Sikhs see all people as the sons and daughters of Vaheguru. Some religions call people "evil" and that they are born "sinners" No-one is "evil"... our actions and the consequences of our actions can be "evil" or "bad" Guru Nanak's House is open to all. No-one will ask your occupation, what you do for a living, what your mind thinks, what actions you do at night or whether you have murdered someone when entering a Gurdwara... a Gurdwara is open to all without discrimination. A "homosexual" can take Khande-Pahul Da Amrit. We take Amrit because we love Guru Ji, when we take Amrit we give our head to Guru Ji... we don't put conditions "I will only take Amrit if i am allowed to fantasy, sleep or marry a person of the same-sex"... When we take Amrit we surrender our mind, body and soul to Guru Ji - that is giving our head to the Guru. "do as you please with me guru ji - i live and die for you." We take Amrit to get help and support - and therefore if someone has issues with homosexuality, then as stated in the earlier post they should get the help of Amrit, and hold the hand of the Guru, grabbing hold of the Guru's Feet (Gurbaani). Our mind thinks all sorts... we see so many images... we are fed so many thoughts by the people we talk to, see and hear. However the key is to Control our thoughts and not be drowned in them. If someone fantasies about the same sex or even the opposite sex or any other thoughts of whether desire/lust, anger, attachment etc.... then if we are "Sikhs"... we will acknowledge that we are useless, and that we are "nothing" and that Vaheguru is "everything".... surrendering ourselves and putting our hands up and saying "hey, my mind thinks silly things, my body is influenced by mind which wanders.... but Guru Ji i need your help... i know nothing, you know everything." Labelling people as "homosexuals" kind of makes things worse (i personally believe) because once you are labelled it is a self-fulfilling prophecy... u say "hey i am gay" - so you start to identify as being gay, then act more like that label and then start justify... so from your mind wandering (effect of the illusion of Maya) we make it concrete. Instead we should identify ourselves as a Sikh of the Guru, the Slave of Vaheguru.... then identifying ourselves always as this, we can strive to become like this and with Guru's help we can rise above the false illusion of life, and realise the True Reality (thats the stage of Sach Khand). As Sikhs we believe in living in the Hukam of Vaheguru - which includes accepting the Laws of Nature. .... if you do anything contrary to the Laws of Nature then you get the reaction to that.... 1) Deforestration and pollution = effects of Global warming (floods, droughts, and rising sea level) 2) Feeding cows and pigs MEAT = the cause of Mad Cow Disease (BSE, CJD) and foot and mouth disease (you have heard about this in UK). etc Laws of Nature are that man and woman are to mate.... going contrary to this you will give the reaction and slap in the face from Nature. This is what I was taught in A-Level Ethics: 1/ (Male) Homosexual sex (i don't wish to describe it - but i assume you know what i am on about) is biologically damaging to that area of the body - over penetration leads to bleeding and the damage of the tissue in that area. Therefore our bodies are not built for it. 2/ HIV, AiDs and other diseases 3/ Socially - Homosexuals tend to go opposite to Hetrosexual culture... e.g. homosexuals generally tend to have more partners, not wish to marry etc... this is socially and health-wise not good. 4/ Homosexual cannot be Universally viable - because then the human race would cease to exist... therefore if it is "right" then it cannot be a "universal right or good" thing because it can only be a minority thing... but that doesnt make sense if you are claiming homosexuality is good and that there is nothing wrong with it. If i am talking utter waffle or have said anything Manmat (contrary to Gurmat) then please forgive me.

Fantastic vids :TH: The "Sidhee" or "Nok" (Popular style) Dastaar = hilarious!!!!!!!! :T: <_< The Veer Ji who has the Dastaar tied on him looks like he is about to collapse at the end! (he weren't smiling - i wonder if the pagh was heavy! :wub: ) Big thanks to all the people who made the vids and participated in it - big thumbs up! :TH:

Inspiring! Dhan Guru, Ta Dhan Guru De Pyaare!!!!! So many chardikala Singhs and Singhnian !!! May Waheguru keep you in Chardikala and give you strength to sow the seeds of Sikhi across the world and water the roots of the Sikh Panth. <_<

Vaisakhi Kirtan Darbar 10am - 1pm Sunday 1st May 2005 The Old Vicarage Cottage Frankford Road, off B4100, Caversfield, Bicester, Oxfordshire OX27 8TH View Map Vaheguru Jia Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh Bicester Saadh Sangat are celebrating Vaisakhi on Sunday 1st May, 2005. Everyone is invited to join and share in the celebrations for Gurbaani & Kirtan. The Programme will begin at 10am with Sri Sukhmani Sahib da Paat, followed by Kirtan and Katha by energetic and chardikala naujawan youngsters (who will also provide English explanations). Please come and support the local sangat. If anyone would like to do Kirtan or would like further information, please email: manvir_singh_khalsa@yahoo.co.uk

People were sitting down and people stood infront of Panj Pyaare and said what they had done wrong... coz there were quite a lot people gone to be Pesh... so you really couldn't here what people were saying (but it was in public) ... u cud only hear if u stood up and were standing near them.