Puraatan

You guys are right. I had a feeling it was a repeat and found out afterwards. They never showed it anyways even though it was coming on the Sky guide thing earlier that day. They should show it again at a prime time as I heard it was quite good.

Being in the presence of Guru Granth Sahib Ji at midnight is the best way to start the new year!

Wishing you ALL a HAPPY NEW YEAR! New Years Resolutions?

There is definately truth in the FACT that Panjab Radio do only call people on their list who will speak only what Panjab Radio wants them to speak. Everyone knows this. This is how they influence people and promote their propaganda. This was all show, from the inside, most of Panjab Radio and Dilgeer share the same views (especially Jasvir) and there may have been some recent differences developed between Dilgeer and Dr Gurdeep, but all of them are dangerous for Sikhi and both parties cannot be trusted. Akash Radio of course are a different matter and have nothing to do with Dilgeer of his twisted views.

"m16" - you should look at Swaranjit Singh's facebook page, and then ask who "loves having studio photos of themselves on their internet pages". Waheguroo LOL!!! m16 is just a hater, he is a nindak and only posts on behalf of anti-panthic agencies to promote their twisted views to create hatred. He is not Sikh and neither is Dasmesh Force, their views on this forum give this away. Dasam Granth haters for starters are not only NOT SIKHS, but they ARE AGAINST SIKHI altogether!

Lol Maybe if you had attended the barsi you could have seen what was parkash on which day. Since you were too scared to attend, heres a summary for you. In the upstairs darbar the akhand path was happening alongside japji sahib, singhs were also doing chaupai sahib for the chardi kala of the panth as well. In the downstairs darbar, there was parkash of Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharajh, and for the Sehaj Path Bhog parkash of Dasam Granth Sahib Ji was done as well. Once the Bhog and darbar were completed the Dasam Granth Ji Saroop were returned to Sachkhand Sahib. There was no parkash of the Dasam Saroop on the final day of the barsi, so please stop screaming and crying. The other point you keep going on about why the Sikh Channel only showed glimpses of the parkash and that the organisers were therefore trying to hide this fact .... take a second and think .. if the organisers didnt want to show both parkash, then why would they do it in the first place?! Why would they argue so much with the channel to get the parchar being broadcast? You've lost the plot, or more likely your cluthcing at straws and just trying to find something to say! At last years barsi, the singhs did Sri Dasam Granth Sahib Jis parkash in a different palki as the main one wasnt large enough to accomadate both saroops. At willenhall the gurdwara committee requested that this be arranged. At the Nihang Dals and at the Taksals both saroops are parkash at the same level. As Jassa said, the thakats have same parkash but on different palki's, either way id the same really. Please try and understand the following: Our Guru is Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Gurbani of Guru Granth Sahib Ji and Gurbani of Dasam Granth Sahib Ji must be treated with the same equal respect. When we read our nitnem we do not differentiate between the bani from guru granth sahib ji (japji sahib, anand sahib, parts of rehras sahib and kirtan sohila) and that of dasam granth sahib ji (jaap sahib, swieyeh, chaupai sahib, parts of rehras sahib. We treat all of this bani the same, as such the same respect can and should be given to both sets of Gurbani. IT IS possible to do this and at the same time understand that our Guru is Guru Granth Sahib Ji. If we are against treating the bani of dasam granth sahib ji with the same respect, then that bani should not be allowed to sit in gutka sahibs in the same place either. Maybe in the future we will see people arguing for 2 different gutka sahibs, one with adh gurbani and one with dasam bani. If we look at this from a satkar for maharajh angle, then lets look at the gursikhs that we all have so much respect for. The one person who spoke out more for guru granth sahibs ji satkar then anybody else was sant jarnail singh ji. Nobody else would go on stage and tell the sangat to cut off the head of anybody that was disrespecting guru granth sahib ji. The singhs with sant jarnail singh ji did many missions of this nature. Now in 2009 we are saying that doing parkash of dasam is beadbi of maharajh. Dasam saroop were parkash on the same palki under same chandoa at metha chowk for many many many years. If Sant Ji is the head for promoting satkar for maharajh, do you really think he would do badbi himself? At the time the singhs of taksal and the babbars agreed to disagree over raag mala and carried on the panthic work. As far as i am aware they did not need to come to an agreement over the parkash of dasam granth sahib ji. If this had been an issue of beadbi, then im sure one of the singhs would have asked sant ji/taksal to stop doing the parkash. but this didnt happen. ie it was a non issue. So why are we making it an issue now? The singhs who have died for the panth, given their families, were tortured and went through the worst pain, stood by and witnessed the parkash of dasam granth sahib ji. But today we have people who think they know better and know more about maharajhs satkar then our own shaheed singhs. Guru will always be Guru Granth Sahib Ji and nobody else, but the Gurbani of Guru Gobind Singh Ji in Dasam Granth Sahib Ji will also be treated with the same respect that is due to GURBANI. No it wasnt, since no book was 'installed like and at par' with maharajhs saroop. A saroop of Dasam Granth Sahib Ji was parkash next to Maharajh. And Dasam Granth Sahib Ji is not a "book" it is the gurbani written by guru gobind singh ji and is recognised by the same akal thakhat as such. Harry potter is a book, Sri Dasam Granth Sahib Ji cannot be considered a book and anyone who wishes to call themselves a Sikh needs to consider if they really view the tenth gurus writings as being in merely a 'book'. Same way we would not call a gutka sahib a book, or call a senchi a book etc. If someone did parkash of a book, then that is entirely different thing, but here and at many other places around the world, we have parkash of a saroop of dasam granth sahib ji. And Militant Singh, you have a picture of Sant Jarnail Singh in your profile and you claim to have a lot of respect, in another thread you even said that someone who doesnt believe/follow sant ji is not a sikh ... well do you follow sant ji and are you a sikh? Because the maryada that was done at willenhall was what sant ji practiced. So is sant jarnail singh ji guilty of breaking maryada and an rss etc? You cant sit on the fence, you cant say you follow sant ji and at the same time speak against dasam granth. So you will have to choose at some point. AK-47 HAS MADE TO-THE-POINT COMMENTS AND CLEARED MANY QUESTIONS AND GIVEN SOME GOOD INFORMATION. Those of you who still do nindya of Dasam Granth are not Sikhs. Those of you who claim to support Sant Jarnail Singh Ji and Khalistan are not Sikhs or supporters of Sant Ji, but enemies as you go against Sant Ji. FULL-STOP! This is TRUE! Admin Note: Thanks for a wonderful discussion

LOL! Anti-Dasam Bani Kulwant Singh Dhesi passing himself off as a AKJ rep! Next up: Babbu Mann claiming to be Nihang member Miss Pooja saying she's a Taksal member Ashutosh saying he's a member of S. Dhadrianwale jatha Just because you take amrit in a Taksal ceremony does not make you a "Taksali Singh". Like I said above, people need to be aware of these pseudo-akjs, pseudo-sants, and others. LOL - True nevertheless!

Sikh Channel is supposed to be broadcasting a show called Rubaru tonight at 7pm in England where Singh Sahib Giani Iqbal Singh, Jathedar Thakat Patna Sahib, will be interviewed and he will talk about Dasam Granth and its great importance. I think this is after all the controversy they (Sikh Channel) got themselves into after the Baba Thakur Singh Barsi event (thanks to Kulwant Singh Dhesi and Tarsem Singh Deol!!! from the looks of it!!!). Still good they will show a positive programme on Dasam Granth to clear their position (I think it might be a repeat from a few days ago). I wonder if Kulwant Singh Dhesi will protest against this and whether he will still be presenting on Sikh Channel and whether he will now decide to clear his stance or start supporting Guru Gobind Singh Ji's BANI? The HATERS will not be too happy about this show but everyone shoudl watch it and record for You Tube if possible. SIKH CHANNEL on 840 @ 7pm!

GOOD WORK! It is like PURAATAN times! Did that Kulwant Singh Dhesi from Coventry not try to stop the event from happening or was he too busy in arranging meetings about the Willenhall Barsi and Dasam Granth there lol???

All of you especially in the Midlands should try to go. I will tell freinds and family in the Midlands to go.

IT'S ALL FOR SHOW - but at least they a hundred times better than that Babbu Mann guy and their song is better than his rubbish. At least they dont go about interfering in Sikh affairs trying to bring down sikh parcharaks and are instead just neutrally promoting sikh values and beliefs (in this song).

There is a connection with those who speak for Babbu Mann and their views in SIKHI. As for Dhumma, no comment, not everyone is supporting him but what people are saying is that if he is doing something good or trying, then there is no need to try and bring him down. Otherwise, there is little to be said about him apart from the fact he likes getting in front of the camera even though other Gursikhs are doing more than him which everyone knows. But at least he is doing more than any of us, including you Dasmesh Force (who is just writing messed up twisted views from the looks of it). In regards to Dhadrian Wale, firstly you obviously hate the Sant no matter what he does. In fact, you are only using Sant Jarnail Singh Ji's name for your own agenda, otherwise all you kala afghana supporters and missionarys hate anyone who has "Sant" in front of their name lol. Watch the Sikh Channel videos on you tube and Dhadrian Wale explains the position in detail very clearly. There is no need for anyone to support him or say anything about him if the Sant himself has made everything very clear on Sikh Channel. Also, why dont YOU Dasmesh Force go to India and fight and die fighting, why dont YOU do something instead promoting the views of that Prof Darshan Singh all day? Just for the record, anyone, including you Dasmesh Force, who is AGAINST Dasam Granth and therefore AGAINST Guru Gobind Singh Ji, they are an enemy of Sikhs, let alone a being a Sikh. This should be made clear to those who are ignorant of the PURAATAN times and traditions!

Who is Joga Singh or which one is he and have you got a photo of him? Thanks!!

Calm down, calm down....Sikh youth should not be hot headed like this, especially those speaking on behalf of an organisation trying to establish themselves. Good work though! The more photos of Sant Ji everywhere, the better. Keep supporting Sants and mahapurkhs!

NICE!

I think they are repeating that Rubaru show on Sikh channel again at 7pm tonight. Sikh channel really need to vet their presenters and people on air before allowing them on otherwise the channel will not remain to be panthic. Kulwant Singh Dhesi whould be taken off straightaway for his continous two-faced views as many others have mentioned as well.

This Swaranjeet Jathedar has just lost my support. These sort of characters just give away their intentions by making you tube videos like this one because it is not like he is a big time parcharak or Sikh leader or someone who does A LOT of sewa for Sikhi (although respect to what he has done) who everyone is waiting to hear from about this Babbu Mann issue. He should have stayed quiet and remained neutral on such a pointless topic. They are all in it for their personal agenda's. I'm not gonna comment on Swaranjeet, but most of them are jealous of the likes of Dharian Wale anyway...................sad really! .....and m16 - you are just obviously biased in everyway, you hate Sants and parchar of sikhi and those who do it like Dhadrian Wale, this makes you an enemy and you are here like many others before you to distort facts, create doubts, spit venom on behalf of the well-known agencies. Agents like you need to be kept a close eye on by the mods. Looking at all your missionary kala afghana type posts on this forum, your views cannot be taken seriously and are not welcome. This is SIKH Sangat, not ANTI-SIKH Sangat.

They are trying to register more dangerous cases against the Dhadrian Jatha Singhs from what I've heard.

My friend who watched their program with Dilgeer this morning told me that they questioned naam simran, amrit, the tenth Guru's BANI and all the rest what they like doing. Gurdeep said there is no point in doing simran sitting down with your eyes closed as true simran is something else he was on about, the typical missionary stance. Dilgeer was free to talk whatever garbage he wanted, just like the nutty Prof Darshan was yesterday. They are questioning and attacking the PURAATAN ways of the KHALSA!

Kulwant Dhesi and Tarsem Deol are both of the two-man "British Sikh Council" probably putting pressure on the Sikh Channel. Let's see Deol stop the Singhs!!! Both these people were reported by Panthic Weekly to have had meetings with Rulda of RSS! I would have liked to attend. I say GO AHEAD like PURAATAN times Singho, ignore these people, if they come, give them a fitting reply that no one can question tenth Guru's BANI. I hope it goes well, I know loads other Singhs who will be going. LETS SEE TARSEM DEOL FACE THE SINGHS OF SANT BHINDRANWALE? HE WILL NOT COME, HE AND HIS THUGS WILL BE TOO SCARED, THEY ARE ALL TALK, ONLY GOOD FOR ATTENDING A MEETING OR PUTTING IN AN ARTICLE IN A PAPER (like a few weeks ago about giving a gold medal to Babbu). Kulwant Dhesi will not say anything either, no one has liked his stance on Sikh Channel and he has lost the support of those who were starting to think better of him. Those who go, please let us know here if TARSEM DEOL tries to attack the tenth Guru's BANI which has been around since PURAATAN time!

Great is the Granth of the tenth Guru.

This rogue is a kala afghani agent.He is no khalsa.These are the tricks these thugs use to hoodwink sikhs. I thinking you the india rss agent. i reading the lots of topic on sikhsangat and seeing you all the time do calling other peoples anti dasam grant or the agent because yoy brain not clever to write anything other. How you knowing the peoples are the agent. I knowing you this it because you agent with the same peoples. So you is being the afghani agent and you meeting the other agent in the meetings. This topic some peoples asking for the email but you doing the spoil again. How many time you doing the topic spoil. I think you not doing any topic write about topic but writing about Sri Dasam Granth Sahib Ji because you having secret to doing spoil forum topic every time. Any you doing beadbi lots forums topics you writing granth and not full respect of writing Sri Dasam Granth Sahib Ji. You no respect anyone or respect forum but full krodh and spoiling all the time forum. Even in the english school the teacher saying us Guru Granth Sahib Ji with respect then you doing like langoor and writing just granths. The english teacher doing the more respect of Guru then you writing this forum. I hope MehtaB SIngh doing the read this is post and doing his new ruling to you because you spoiling all the time this forum. The proof of m y being an agent or not is in my writing. Let sangat read and decide. jasvir is a buddy of inder Ghaghan and dilgeer. These people are subverting sikh history and denigrating sikh scriptures. That is a proof enough to brand these kala afghanis as traitors of sikhs. They are getting exposed . Write on the subject instead of getting personal. Have you got anything to defend the record of these gurnindaks. If Inder Singh is an agent for supporting tenth Guru, then I too am proud to be one as well. Panjab Radio are good with media propaganda, they select their callers so only their own people who agree with them get through. Now they have started to send their supporters to call Sikh Channel as well in every debate. Of course, then there are the internet warriors who will pop up everytime the truth about Panjab radio is exposed. No one questioned this mahan bani of the tenth Guru in PURAATAN times. The enemies have now found one of the roots of Sikhi power.

It's probably Kulwant Dhesi and Tarsem Deol both of the two-man "British Sikh Council" putting pressure on the Sikh Channel. Someone said on another thread (I think militant singh) that Tarsem Deol was not going to let prakash of Dasam Granth Sahib Ji happen. Let's see him stop the Singhs!!! Both these people were reported by Panthic Weekly to have had meetings with Rulda of RSS! They also the Gold medal people who wanted to give one to Babbu a few weeks ago as someone has mentioned earlier in this thread. I would have liked to attend. I say GO AHEAD like PURAATAN times Singho, ignore these people, if they come, give them a fitting reply that no one can question tenth Guru's BANI. I hope it goes well, I know loads other Singhs who will be going.

I have heard that Dhadrian Wale Sants Gurdwara Parmeshardwar was searched by Punjab Police this morning to question the Singhs about Ludhiana when the 7 Police officers and the SSP were injured by Dhadrian Wale Jatha Singhs on the day Bhai Darshan Singh became Shaheed in November??? Apparently Dhadrian Wale were in South India and still are with about 50 Singhs for his diwaans down there (Calcutta, Bombay etc) but the other Singhs at the Gurdwara in Patiala were questioned and the whole Gurdwara was searched - apparently to search for weapons (which is just stupid, what did they want to find "Kirpaans")??? They are thick, the idiotic police and government are looking for any excuse if this is true. If there are any close people of Dhadrian Wale here, they really need to tell the Sant to be careful with everything he does and what he says because the enemies are after him to stop sikhi parchar and they will look for any excuse. He is the only one doing anything in Punjab in massive numbers, thats why they after him, they dont care about those like Dhumma and the rest because they are no threat. Just my advice. But they will also be careful with Dhadrian Wale because they dont want to make a mistake and Punjab errupts like a volcano! India is so annoying!

This rogue is a kala afghani agent.He is no khalsa.These are the tricks these thugs use to hoodwink sikhs. They are beyond evil, trust me, regardless of what anyone says on here, they are all together working as ONE. These nindaks have existed from the PURAATAN times, lurking around in the background to attack the Panth. Their new tactic is now to be disguised as Singhs. Panjab Radio is a mass media machine for them, a platform for them to spit venom on the Panth. The worse thing is that Panjab Radio continue to influence many, especially in the London areas and those who are new coming into Sikhi. Because they were the first Punjabi radio station in the UK, they have a BIG headstart.