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I printed fliers of the event and was going to post them up in El Sobrante Gurdwara and hand them out to people. We Sikhs abroad need to discuss this matter in our Gurwaras and In our communities. We can not let this event slide and nothing done about---ENOUGH IS ENOUGH-- 1 KHALSA PANTH

This was an attack on the SIKH Kaum, we need to stick together. We always fight with each other, 1980's was the same Sikhs turning each other in because of personal differences. We Need to Become ONE KHAlSA and not let this event slide away forgotten by the evil govt. SINGHS in abroad lands need to bring the matter up in their Gurdwareh and communities.

Ok what about Singhs who do their nitnem already... and what about you... in times like this what contribuation will you give also... We need to organize protest across the the abroad countries... im going to gurdwara 2mmrw and giving out fliers of 2days event and putting them in the newspapers... what contribuation will everyone start giving.. we can not let this go by like the killings by dera lucha sauda were let gone by the govt.

dont 4get this is how Sikhs get together by first talking about it.. yes we have been talking about unity for years and havn't done anything.... we need to take these talks into real life actions or this will all stay behind computers for us.... so you tell me mr. shastr since you seem to call out my unity calls, what do you think we should do huh ? im all ears (seriously)

Yes we should get together Sant Jarnail Singh Ji said If a Sikh slaps you let him slap you one more time... We should get together not fight Sikhs are always fighting with each other we need to unite 1 KHAlSA

Khalistan Zindabad you right big up to all the SINGHS who were their protesting and Pranaam Shaheedan Nu Lets all stop arguing bout Dhumma And Ranjit Ji and pray for the Shaheeds and hurt Singhs and lets pray that the Khalsa Panth Unites as 1 WAHEGURU WAHEGURU!! BOLE SONEH HAAL SAT SRI AKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Were all are the Nihangs and yess paneer monster you said the right thing we need EKTA as 1 KHALSA PANTH.. Will we stand by and let this happen.. will we just watch even abroad SIKHS need to do something.. Sikhs in America, Canada, UK and so on need to start movements in their countries and campaigns n spread awareness to the governments and take action to the max... we must unite and fight for SIKHS not only by informing our govts we need to start a movement and spread it 2 india... in 1978 after13 Singhs for killed BAbbar Khalsa was started in Punjab and also was spread from SIkhs in canada, US, uk etc we need to do same and stand up for Justice

VaheGuruJeKhalsaVaheGuruJeKeFetah this sister just dropped it to all of us all (Including Me) HARDCORE us bad mans talking like we big give it a week or two and we will be forgeting about this just like bow east london and now and again we will bring it in convo in topics but what we gonna do sitting in our posh homes in the west. I just watched the Sikhchannel and someone phoned in and quoted Sant Jarnail Singh saying he said if you eat 1 roti now eat half if u live in a big house live in a smaller one my question to everyone and to myself is what can we do sitting in UK Canada France and the USA what go to ur white Priminister ur black president ur french president and say help us come on we aint had not justice in last 25 years for 84 u recon we gonna get it now. I urge people to go back to where we should be our loving and beauiful PUNJAB and help our brotehrs and sister our mothers and fathers stand hand in hand with them side by side and fight this problam head on. Lets forget getting Khalastan lets get out Gurdwara back first who r being controlled by anti Sikhs lets get out Gurdwara Singing the Hymns again from Dasam Granth Maharaj. We cant do anything sitting here in the west so lets stop having this call ins on what can be done coz nothing can be done 6000 miles away. These comments r relate to me sorry forgive me if i offended you VaheGuruJeKhalsaVaheGuruJeKeFetah YESS !!!! and what was the quote of Sant Ji ?

forget the babbu situation... the sittuation in punjab is more important and we still have babbu on our minds ??? wht the hell we need to unite and stand up we need to be one KHALSA PANTH and do something about this

Your right but we need to do something sitting in other countries we need to stand up also and support SIKHS in india we can't just sit around we need to do something

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8svJQNB5WQ We Sikhs All Around The World Need To Do Something.. Badal had closed his mind for the Sikh panth we need to stand up against the governments atrocities

http://www.zeenews.com/video/showvideo4746.html WOWWWW I CANT JUST BELIEVE THIS... THIS IS HISTORY REPEATING ITSELF I CANT EVEN HOLD THE ANGER BACK IN ME.....This like when narkharis killed 13 Singhs with the cops... rite after that BKI was born and Sant Ji called out the real face of the govt.....

Sikh in Punjab tomorrow and I'm pretty sure the day after also will protest against ashotaush..... already 2 Sikhs were attacked by hindus in Punjab DDT and Sant Samaj all together will hold protest From past situations like this there could be a lot of people hurt like when 13 Singhs were killed and recent events. I was watching Jus Punjabi news and the followers of ashotaush said they will attack anyone trying to disturb their sangat and will do "it naal it kardkha." The shameful thing was there was a lot of Sikhs sitting in aushtaush's sangat and so were some people were dressed as Nihangs

the link isn't working... wht did you type in youtube to find this movie... seems like it would be real awsome !

Are you so infatuated with Dhadrianwala that you even consider Missl Shaheedan Taruna Dal as a 'new official voice crawling out from underneath rocks...."? If you bothered taking the blinkers off you would know about the history of the Missl Shaheedan and stop making irresponsible statements. Where was your chosen voice of the kaum Dhadrianwala when the Missl Shaheedan were standing up to Poola nang? Even then the Missl did not seek publicity (unlike others who like to spin how they have sold an Audi on the 25th anniversery of the 84 genocide). Also if you bothered to listen to the speach of the Jathedar then you would understand that he was not proclaiming Babbu Mann as a new voice of the kaum but instead agreeing with the contents of the lyrics. Yawn!! Back to Dadriawala.. Wow You Seem Like You Got Some Personal Hatred With Babbu And Using These posts a way to bring him down.....

Gurminders New Song Is Great....... Immortal productions Have Done GREAT Sewa No Doubt... But For All Those people Who Listen To Mostly Bhangra Music And Know Babbu As A Big Singer In Bhangra and Dont havnt Listened To Great Dharmik Albums Like THe Ones Immortal Productions Will Recognize His New Album More And Pay More Attention 2 Sikhi---Especially People In India Where Awareness Is Needed Because albums Like Immortal production Are Not Known Everywhere

This man calls the Bani Of Sri Dasam Granth "Gand Mand"----Toronto has a big anti Dasam Granth lobby issue this heretic man says that 90 % of the Dasam Granth is against GGS ideals and 10 % is anti-gurmat wow http://www.panthic.org/articles/5169 TORONTO, CANADA - The self-styled Khalistani and Kala-Afghani protégé, Harjinder Singh Dilgeer, has again become the center of controversy due to his anti-Panthic tirades on various Punjabi radio talk-shows, in which he has repeatedly attacked the authority of Sri Akal Takht Sahib, and the legitimacy of Nitnem and Amrit Sanchar Banis. Dilgeer was invited to Canada to speak at a 1984 related function organized at the 'Sikh Lehar Center" by the pro-Kala Afghani heretic lobby in Toronto. Before the weekend function, Dilgeer went on various Punjabi radio talk-show programs in which he ridiculed the authority of Sri Akal Takht Sahib and spewed venomous statements against the sacred Bani of Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji. Dilgeer addressing other heretics at the Kala-Afghani Sikh Lehr Center Following are some extracts of Dilgeer's interview on Radio Hamsafar which aired on October, 26th of 2009 : Dilgeer attempts to belittle the authority of Sri Akal Takht's HukamNamas, and alleges that anyone who obeys the order of Sri Akal Takht's HukamNamas is breaking away from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji (click to listen) Note: Contrary to his current stand, Dilgeer in his 'Sikh Reference Book' (1997) states that "The Hukamnama of Akal Takht Sahib is final and binding for each and every Sikh. None dare defy it." Dilgeer states that 1402 pages of Sri Dasam Granth is 'gand-mand' (filthy trash). (click to listen) Note: Dilgeer is stating that banis such as ਵਾਰ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਭਗਉਤੀ ਜੀ ਕੀ (which is part of the Sikh Ardaas), Shashtarnaamala, Zafarnama, and ਸ੍ਰੀ ਮੁਖਵਾਕ such as ਮਿਤ੍ਰ ਪਿਆਰੇ ਨੂੰ ਹਾਲ ਮੁਰੀਦਾਂ ਦਾ ਕਹਿਣਾ, ਰੇ ਮਨ ਐਸੋ ਕਰ ਸੰਨਿਆਸਾ , etc is all filthy-trash or anti-Gurmat content. Dilgeer also seems to makes a distinction between Swaiyya and Akal Ustat, and does not realize that the Swaiyya are actually part of the Akal Ustat. Dilgeer claims that 90% of Dasam Granth is against the ideals in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, and the rest of the 10% is anti-Gurmat. He then ridicules the bani of BachitarNatak. (click to listen) Note: Dilgeer in his 'Sikh Reference Book' (1997) states that "Bachitar Natak- is the name of the poetic drama written by Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ." Now Dilgeer claims that Dasam Granth is not Guru Rachna, and only a translation. (click to listen) Note: Dilgeer in his 'Sikh Reference Book' (1997) clearly states that Dasam Granth was a rachna of Guru Gobind Singh, and even noting the dates when some of the contents were completed. Dilgeer misquotes and misrepresents the Charritars 21,22, and 23 of Roop/Anoop Koer . He states that those who believe that Dasam Granth is Guru Sahib's Bani are ਪਾਪੀ (sinners) and ਮੁਜ਼ਰਮ (criminals). (click to listen) Note: Dilgeer, like Ragi Darshan Singh is intentionally misrepresenting the charittars of Roop Koer or Noop Koer. This charriters are not about Guru Gobind Singh Ji as these heretics claim, this is explained in detail by Sridar Kapur Singh IAS (National Professor of Sikhism) in his article (ਕਿੱਸਾ ਰੂਪ ਕੌਰ ਦਾ) : http://www.panthic.org/articles/3873 Dilgeer claims that no scholar or leader has read Dasam Granth, if they have and state it is Guru Sahib's rachna, then they are a ਮੁਜ਼ਰਮ or ਦੋਖੀ of the Guru. (click to listen) Note: Dilgeers seems be implying all Gursikhs who believed in Sri Dasam Granth in the past were ਮੁਜ਼ਰਮ or ਦੋਖੀ, this includes GurSikhs such as Shaheed Bhai Mani Singh Ji, Kavi Santokh Singh Ji, Giani Gian Singh Ji, Giani Ditt Singh Ji, Akali Kaur Singh Ji, Bhai Randhir Singh Ji, Bhai Kahn Singh Nabha, Prof. Sahib Singh Ji, Giani Gurbachan Singh Ji Bhinderan, Prof. Piara Singh Padam, and countless other scholars and Shaheeds who lived and died believing in Sri Dasam Bani. Dilgeer suggests that Sri Akal Takht HukamNamas are anti-Gurmat and should be ignored, and not followed. He openly states that all Sikhs should defy any order from Sri Akal Takht, and gives Spokesman editor as an example. (click to listen) Note: Dilgeer proudly boasts that his 'friend' Joginder Sahwney has defied the HukamNamas of Sri Akal Takht Sahib, and others should do the same. In a recent revelation, Surinder Kaur Nihal, an ex-admirer of the Spokesman editor, went public to disclose the warped views of the ex-communicated newspaper heretic. According to her public statements, Sahwney stated that: 'ਬਾਬੇ ਨਾਨਕ ਨੇ ਆਪਣੇ ਹੱਥੀਂ ਕਿਸੇ ਨੂੰ ਗੁਰਗੱਦੀ ਨਹੀਂ ਸੀ ਦਿੱਤੀ ਕਿਉਂਕਿ ਉਹ ਅੱਗੇ ਗੱਦੀ ਚਲਾਉਣੀ ਹੀ ਨਹੀਂ ਸਨ ਚਾਹੁੰਦੇ ।' "Guru Nanak did not bestow Gurgaddi to anyone, because He did not want to pass on the gaddi to anyone after him." 'ਮੈਂ ਬਾਬੇ ਨਾਨਕ ਤੋਂ ਸਿਵਾ ਬਾਕੀ ਨੌਆਂ ਨੂੰ ਨਹੀਂ ਮੰਨਦਾ (ਭਾਵ ਬਾਕੀ ਨੌ ਗੁਰੂ ਸਾਹਿਬਾਨ ਨੂੰ ਗੁਰੂ ਨਹੀਂ ਮੰਨਦਾ) ।' "Besides Baba Nanak, I do not believe in the rest of the nine (Gurus Sahibans)" ਸ੍ਰ:ਜੋਗਿੰਦਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਨੇ ਗੁਰੂ ਨਾਨਕ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਅਤੇ ਨੌ ਗੁਰੂ ਸਾਹਿਬਾਨਾਂ ਵਿੱਚ ਇੱਕ ਵੱਡਾ ਬੰਨ੍ਹ ਮਾਰਦਿਆਂ ਹੋਇਆ ਸਾਨੂੰ ਉਲਟਾ ਸਵਾਲ ਕੀਤਾ ਕਿ ਤੁਹਾਡੇ ਕੋਲ ਨੌਆਂ ਗੁਰੂਆਂ ਦੀ ਹੋਂਦ ਦਾ ਕੀ ਸਬੂਤ ਹੈ । "Creating a distinction between Guru Nanak Dev Sahib and the nine Guru Sahibans, Joginder Singh asked, "What proof do you have about the existence of the other nine Gurus?" Ex-communicated heretic Joginder Sawhney The first statements by Sahwney were made at the bhog ceremony of Dilgeer's mother at Sector 46 Gurdwara in Chandigarh on May 17th, 2009. The fact that not only did Dilgeer allow Sahwney to make such offending remarks at his mother's bhog, and never clarified or apologized for them proves he must also agree with Sahwney's twisted mindset. He continues to work for Sahwney and publishes his works in the daily column of the Spokesman. Below are extracts of the public statements made by Surinder Kaur of Mohali: Rangla Punjab Radio Interview: Dilgeer raises doubts about the events of the 1699 Amrit-Sanchar Ceremony. Claims that Guru Gobind Singh Ji never took Pahul (Amrit) from the Panj Piyaray. Alleges if Guru Gobind Singh Ji took Amrit he would then have been a 'un-AmritDhari. He also questions the authenticity of verses of the Panthic Parvanat Ardas. States the source of ਤੇਗ ਬਹਾਦਰ ਸਿਮਰਿਐ ਘਰ ਨਉ ਨਿਧਿ ਆਵੈ ਧਾਇ ॥ ਸਭ ਥਾਈਂ ਹੋਇ ਸਹਾਇ ॥੧॥ ' in the Sikh Ardaas tuks are unknown. (click to listen) Note: It is common knowledge that the tuks written by Sri Dasam Patshah in his rachna ਵਾਰ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਭਗਉਤੀ ਜੀ ਕੀ ॥. To doubt it, is a direct attack on the foundations of Sikhi. The above examples of blasphemy should leave no doubt that l ike loyal protégés, both Dilgeer and the Ragi are parroting the same ideology of the heretic Gurbakhsh Kala-Afghana, who was ex-communicated from the Sikh Panth in 2003. In the footsteps of Kala-Afghana, both the Ragi and Dilgeer have openly questioned the validity of the sacred Banis of Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji and the Nitnem Banis. While several Gurmattas and HukamaNamas have been issued from Sri Akal Takht Sahib strictly forbidding such criticism, this "shararteee ansar" (mischievous elements) as the Takht refers to them, continue to rake up the controversy on behest of others. Like Ragi, Dilgeer also considered himself a Khalistani back in the 1980, and 1990s. He claims to have been part of the "inner circle" of the All India Sikh Students Federation, and the early days of the Dal Khalsa. Interestingly, both Ragi and Dilgeer, promoted the Bani of Sri Dasam Granth throughout those turbulent decades. Countless CDs and cassettes of the Ragi were released in which he recited hymns from Bachittar Natak, Krishanavtar, and Ramavtar. Now that era is over, they are looking for better pastures and opportunities to line their pockets. Perhaps the agencies who planted these naastic-moles in the Panth two decades ago are finally reaping their rewards.

"I am not anti sant but they take the sangats money"...A defensive assault..very clever.... Why not just be bold enough to say that you have a specific issue with Baba Ranjit Singh instead of hidding behing Babbu Maan's song and using it to assault. If you are willing to make accusations that Baba Ranjit Singh "takes money from the sangat" get off your PCs and confront him. You have an open invitation from the Gursikh himself to confront him during his next visit to UK instead of encouraging rumours to be spread. I'm not hiding behind Babbus song and read what I said 1 more time.... I never wanted to say that Dhandrianwale takes money from people.. your just putting words in my mouth which im not trying to say... I said im not anti Sant ji because i've commented on other posts about the issue and I dont want people to think im anti Dhanrianwaleh... I dont got no specific issue with Sant Ji... All i said was IF Sant Ji did all that then he would get mad about Babbus Song.... Looks like you have a specific problem with Babbu, why don't you go confront him buddy

Im not anti Moranwali or anti Sant Ranjit Singh Ji but Babbus album talks about the government giving babas vip red lights and how babas take money from the sangat in the name of kar seva and use it on their own mastiyan.... why would this hurt Sant Dhandrianwaleh and Moranwali... only if they did all this (taking money from sangat and using it on their selves and getting red lights from the government) would they start attacking Babbu Maans song and only then would their cheleh do tapusia

Theres nothing wrong with Babbu Maan's cd people only making a big deal on it and hating on him.....he didn't say anything about Dhandriawale or Moranwali... just because Dhanrianwale had a red light everyone is jumping around like his whole cd was bad and something that is a sinful thing to do

this used to be track I used to listen to when I was a kid the speech about Sant ji in the beginning and in the end is amazing **a must see video** the speech about Bhindranwale begins at 5:20 and the song goes on after that http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEHpf5rFkuE

After comments like this the thought comes to my mind that what are ME and YOU doing about this... Why do we always push the load onto other's shoulders? Are we not Khaalsay capable and responsible for tending to these situations? Why are we relying on others to do OUR job? Singha You Have got me.... To many anti Sikh elements have come up.... Kala Afghana, Gurjeet (Singh Sabha), darshan singh.... we Sikhs need to act.... I want to do something for the Sikh Kaum

In Situations like this the thought comes to my mind that what is Babbar Khalsa, KZF etc doing about this

True. He made a good point with the video - why does a Parcharak need a sarkari symbol (laal bathi + siren)? People have hi-jacked the video and used it to defame particular people, which is wrong and also a copyright infringement. We have more important issues at the moment like fighting the campaign against Dasam Bani etc. .