Deep Singh

It is enough, Stop Singh STOP...we will find out the truth. Chill down..and focus on the issue.

Missionary in the sense 'going out to people and trying to convert them'...i don't think Sikhs do that. I am not sure if this is allowed or not...but i haven't heard of any specific commandment by Guru Sahib for not doing this, however this type of work is usually linked to pressure, and in that case it is not allowed! but there is more to it..have you heard the jewish saying: we don't do missionary work, but we have a mission it is something similar with the Sikh missionary schools etc. they are meant for teaching of Sikh principles, Rehat, Gurmat, Keertan etc... basically the same as Taksals. However Taksal/Akharas can be called 'traditional' learning, but missionary schools/colleges is like modern...but the mission is the same. they differ upon Gurbani-viakaran, a bit on Rehat etc.. the goal is to have trained Parcharaks for Gurdwaras, and SIkh societies that can become Granthis/Gianis etc.

I don't think i am blind, but i don't have extra-sensitive senses either. :lol: Where is India's role? - that 'Ansar Bani' (pro-Talibani) Islamic youth attacked a Gurdwara? - that 'Evacuee Board' decided to add the Guru Nanak Government College under its control? - that the college will be officially a part of the property attached to Gurdwara Janam Astan? [before it was just a govrn. college, now it will be part of the Gurdwara complex, hence under the control of Evacue Board that runs PSGPC...which is of coarse objected by the local Muslims who now think it will become a religious school...] people might really have the sixth sense to see India's role here..

LOL! :lol:

Hitler's secret Indian army http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3684288.stm By Mike Thomson BBC News In the closing stages of World War II, as Allied and French resistance forces were driving Hitler's now demoralised forces from France, three senior German officers defected. Legionnaires were recruited from German POW camps Legionnaires were recruited from German POW camps The information they gave British intelligence was considered so sensitive that in 1945 it was locked away, not due to be released until the year 2021. Now, 17 years early, the BBC's Document programme has been given special access to this secret file. It reveals how thousands of Indian soldiers who had joined Britain in the fight against fascism swapped their oaths to the British king for others to Adolf Hitler - an astonishing tale of loyalty, despair and betrayal that threatened to rock British rule in India, known as the Raj. The story the German officers told their interrogators began in Berlin on 3 April 1941. This was the date that the left-wing Indian revolutionary leader, Subhas Chandra Bose, arrived in the German capital. Bose, who had been arrested 11 times by the British in India, had fled the Raj with one mission in mind. That was to seek Hitler's help in pushing the British out of India. He wanted 500 volunteers who would be trained i n Germany and then parachuted into India. Everyone raised their hands. Thousands of us volunteered Lieutenant Barwant Singh Six months later, with the help of the German foreign ministry, he had set up what he called "The Free India Centre", from where he published leaflets, wrote speeches and organised broadcasts in support of his cause. By the end of 1941, Hitler's regime officially recognised his provisional "Free India Government" in exile, and even agreed to help Chandra Bose raise an army to fight for his cause. It was to be called "The Free India Legion". Bose hoped to raise a force of about 100,000 men which, when armed and kitted out by the Germans, could be used to invade British India. He decided to raise them by going on recruiting visits to Prisoner-of-War camps in Germany which, at that time, were home to tens of thousands of Indian soldiers captured by Rommel in North Africa. Volunteers Finally, by August 1942, Bose's recruitment drive got fully into swing. Mass ceremonies were held in which dozens of Indian POWs joined in mass oaths of allegiance to Adolf Hitler. Chandra Bose did not live to see Indian independence These are the words that were used by men that had formally sworn an oath to the British king: "I swear by God this holy oath that I will obey the leader of the German race and state, Adolf Hitler, as the commander of the German armed forces in the fight for India, whose leader is Subhas Chandra Bose." I managed to track down one of Bose's former recruits, Lieutenant Barwant Singh, who can still remember the Indian revolutionary arriving at his prisoner of war camp. "He was introduced to us as a leader from our country who wanted to talk to us," he said. "He wanted 500 volunteers who would be trained in Germany and then parachuted into India. Everyone raised their hands. Thousands of us volunteered." Demoralised In all 3,000 Indian prisoners of war signed up for the Fre e India Legion. But instead of being delighted, Bose was worried. A left-wing admirer of Russia, he was devastated when Hitler's tanks rolled across the Soviet border. Matters were made even worse by the fact that after Stalingrad it became clear that the now-retreating German army would be in no position to offer Bose help in driving the British from faraway India. When the Indian revolutionary met Hitler in May 1942 his suspicions were confirmed, and he came to believe that the Nazi leader was more interested in using his men to win propaganda victories than military ones. So, in February 1943, Bose turned his back on his legionnaires and slipped secretly away aboard a submarine bound for Japan. Rudolf Hartog remembers parting with his Indian friends There, with Japanese help, he was to raise a force of 60,000 men to march on India. Back in Germany the men he had recruited were left leaderless and demoralised. After mush dissent and even a mutiny, the German High Command despatched them first to Holland and then south-west France, where they were told to help fortify the coast for an expected allied landing. After D-Day, the Free India Legion, which had now been drafted into Himmler's Waffen SS, were in headlong retreat through France, along with regular German units. It was during this time that they gained a wild and loathsome reputation amongst the civilian population. The former French Resistance fighter, Henri Gendreaux, remembers the Legion passing through his home town of Ruffec: "I do remember several cases of rape. A lady and her two daughters were raped and in another case they even shot dead a little two-year-old girl." Finally, instead of driving the British from India, the Free India Legion were themselves driven from France and then Germany. Their German military translator at the time was Private Rudolf Hartog, who is now 80. "The last day we were together an armoured tank appeared. I t hought, my goodness, what can I do? I'm finished," he said. "But he only wanted to collect the Indians. We embraced each other and cried. You see that was the end." Mutinies A year later the Indian legionnaires were sent back to India, where all were released after short jail sentences. But when the British put three of their senior officers on trial near Delhi there were mutinies in the army and protests on the streets. With the British now aware that the Indian army could no longer be relied upon by the Raj to do its bidding, independence followed soon after. Not that Subhas Chandra Bose was to see the day he had fought so hard for. He died in 1945. Since then little has been heard of Lieutenant Barwant Singh and his fellow legionnaires. At the end of the war the BBC was forbidden from broadcasting their story and this remarkable saga was locked away in the archives, until now. Not that Lieutenant Singh has ever forgotten those dramatic days. "In front of my eyes I can see how we all looked, how we would all sing and how we all talked about what eventually would happen to us all," he said. --------------------------------------- is this the "real start" of Indian independence? it was when the Indian army mutinied, that India got freedom.... it has been known that Bose had Japani trained soldars enter India...now we know more. the seed of mutiny was the way british indian army's prisoners of war in Germany joined hitler for their own freedom. but later found out that it was of no use...germany is going down...

i saw it...kind of cool..punjabi stuff. i really liked the APNA function (Punjabi Mela?), it was so beautiful...kind of old days punjab back in the screen.

With ALL due respect, Gabroo Bhaji! STOP BRINGING INDIA INTO THIS! CAN'T YOU JUST SEE THE FACTS? MUSLIM MOB ATTACKED SIKHS IN PAKISTAN! and India has nothing to do with this...no investment, no nothing... jeez..

NO IT IS NOT! PANJAB RADIO had DIRECT telephone calls from Pakistan. Kalyan Singh himself told all this...also severel Singhs in UK were phoned by their contacts telling the same thing. We could hear the protesters on the Radio...everything was on air. Maybe someone has an audio recording of the Radio broadcast! Don't doubt Panjab Radio...they aired the news at once it broke out...other media had it hours later. it is not some indo/pak news...it is 100% based upon what Sikhs from Pakistan have told.

http://news.waheguroo.com/633Q6-12661-7479...3-13530-33.html

Hari Singh Dhesy - Master of Kung Fu style 'Eagle Claw' :lol: have a look at the SikhNet frontpage...'photo of the week'

i am not used to comment on other's looks :lol: but just look at her! to me she is like some skrewed thing...argh! her laughter is like... 'ahahahahaha...now, i will take all the funds, and give them to my family, and you won't know it before it is too late.' EVIL! :bringitondude

is he refering to a Keski? (some news yesterday had that view...)

SGPC IS JUST BAKVAAS! now, i said it...happy? :lol: i support the idea of a united Sikh comt. that takes care of Gurdwaras and historical sites etc. and educates people on Sikhi...everything that SGPC should do. but the way it works now is really messed up....i fail to see Sikh spirit left there...it is become too political. i can't believe that this is what is meant by miri-piri....this is not the sort of politics Guru Sahib was supporting. it is just family business...and helping their own. @

Eminent Punjabi scientist dies in USA Tribune News Service http://www.tribuneindia.com/2004/20040923/...3/punjab1.htm#7 Chandigarh, September 22 An eminent scientist, D r Jagir Singh Randhawa, has died at the age of 81 in the USA. He was suffering from bone cancer and he passed away in that country on September 7, according to his relatives in Mohali. He is survived by two daughters, both married and settled in the USA. Dr Randhawa earned international fame for developing an instrument by which physicists can measure the effect on the ozone layer of the nitrous oxide released during supersonic flights. He got the patent for the device, which led the US Government under President Jimmy Carter to reconsider its plans for supersonic planes. Born on November 1, 1922, in Vahila Teja village in Gurdaspur district, Dr Jagir Singh Randhawa graduated from Government College, Lahore, in 1946. After Partition his family settled at Kala Afghana. He taught physics at Khalsa College, Amritsar. The college had refused him admission as a student because he could not arrange enough funds to pay the fee and other charges. Later, he took up government lecturership and taught at Ropar and Rohtak. In 1957 he got a scholarship from the University of Colorado to do his masters. This was followed by Ph.D from New Mexico State University. Dr Randhawa's thesis on ozone attracted the attention of the authorities at the Atmospheric Sciences Laboratory and they did not want to lose this bright scholar. As Dr Randhawa had gone on a student visa, the US authorities changed the rules t o grant him US citizenship. He joined the US Army as a research physicist and made his name in the world of science. For 30 years Dr Randhawa worked in the USA. He travelled all over the world, participating in international conferences. When his wife died, he donated $30,000 to sponsor a Narinder K. Randhawa scholarship at California State University, Fresno. Last year, when he came to India, he gave Rs 25 lakh to Guru Nanak Dev University, Amritsar, to set up Baba Budhaji chair. In an interview he had said: "I don't plan to come back too many times. It is hard to travel". His bhog ceremony will be held at Gurdwara Sacha Dham in Phase 3-B II of Mohali on Friday. ------------ Anyone knew him?

didn't he khatamm the nirankari baba bachna?

just want to add mehtab bhaji's post: hai meri gogarr wadgi...hai mera taedd lamakda

balleh....ikk-eh suite wich sari dunia kaumlaee...kamaal di gall! looks good...now japani, brazili, americi, englandi, africi lok now a singh with dastaar rules 1 billion people. not bad.

wasn't this Gurdwara opened by Baba Mann Pehowa....i believe he was invited at their opening ceremony as 'chief guest' or something....and they are still supporting him after the report on him in sanjh savera....is it the same guy? (or is it someone else.. <_< )

Coming back to the Bhai Ranjit Singh issue: Respected Kulbir Singh Ji (regular poster at tapoban.org) has these views: http://www.tapoban.org/phorum/read.ppa?f=1...i=18137&t=18137 Anyone still supporting Bhai Ranjit Singh?

http://www.ik13.com/software.htm download 'Isher Micro Media' (IMM) http://www.ik13.com/requestok.htm (you will come to this link) remember to download speech-program 3 and 4. IMM is a software for research of Gurbani, once you click on a button, windows will read the english translation for you (not so good, but it works). that is in the speech program.... but the thing is: the rest of the program is in punjabi, so the "westerners" won't understand how to use it.

To download Demo Version: http://punjabirc.tiet.ac.in/rcentrei.asp (lots of Punjabi related stuff!) http://punjabirc.tiet.ac.in/Products%20dev...eloped/ocr.html (at the end of the page...it is about 60 MB) unzip the file...and use 'Module' to digitalise Gurmukhi/Punjabi scanned pages! it works fine...and you can save the edited text in any possible gurmukhi font you like! it has a punjabi spell checker also... :lol: if you use DemoModule...it won't be saved...i guess they forgot to remove the 'module' file...punjabi system...lol

Economics (saab-kataab wala kamm)

We won't get it back before we have a 'Sikh Investigation Bureau' [sIB]....FBI wale darge hunn. :lol: serious...this is very serious issue.

Respect! C.K. Ji, The Mahan Kosh is online already. Bhai Vir Singh jee's Guru Granth Sahib Kosh is not. None of them have been translated into English. It would take lots of efforts to translate the two works. LOTS. Mahan Kosh has more than 70 000 articles, SGG Kosh is probably some thousands also. That would take years, bhai sahib. But it is really very good project. If you want some 'modern' Gurbani kosh, you may try the works of SS Kohli or some others also. If you want a list, i can send you one. If you are serious about this, send me a PM. We can work together, as i have also something similar that i am working on. I am also looking for techie ppl...is there anyone out here who can help?

Stop Singh, you know i have discussed this with you before. The previous discussion on Nanakshahi calender