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yeah Ranz Killa _ Just like that get posting The site is on the coast and has it's own beech Guru's kirpa, this camp will be amazing spread the word get ya forms in quick to guarantee a place

can't wait thsi camp is gonna be wicked check out last years videos and photos http://www.sikhicamp.org/

Thanks admin these games keep me busy at work :doh: ))))

Waheguru ji ka khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh jio It was an excellent programme All the youth togeteher irrespective of jathebandi, personnel beliefsetc Thsi is the way it should be The atmosphere was electrifying and i also got my car washed :doh: )))))))) hahahahaha More progs like this are needed Waheguru ji ka khalsa, waheguru ji ki Fateh jio

Waheguru ji ka khalsa, waheguru ji ki Fathe jio wut would have been the reaction if this had been the other way around i.e a sikh had doen this in a mosque It would have been all over the media, sikh organisations would have been questioned and the person repsonsilbe would have been in big trouble. We or should i say (Soho Road) need to use Media to make sure this doesn't happen again. Do any muslim organisations know this happened? does the police know - it's a race hate crime that took place? or will things go quiet and nothing happen? at least at Soho road there was enough sevadar present to stop any thing happening to Guru Maraj what if this had happened at a smaller Gurdwara sahib where there's not much sangat. We have to be pro-active on issues like this Waheguru ji ka khalsa, waheguru ji ki Fateh ji

whats the dates for this weekend

Waheguru ji ka khalsa, waheguru ji ki fateh jio I put up the following comment in another thread, but no one has answered the question, instead it got 'hijacked by ppl calling others terrorists etc" so i would like to raise the post again. When the Nangs first started doing their parchar in uk in 99, they would say it's onlyokay to eat maas in war times, the same Nangs now eat maas as part of their daily food intake. now they are saying one can have sharab in times of war, i wonder if 4 yrs down the line ,they will all be in the pub everynight? the main qestion is "What defines times of war" Okay the spirtual war is ongoing for everyone in controlling their mind and i can't see how maas or sharab can help in this The pyhsical war, well as far as i know the last pyhiscal war the panth fought was 84 and after and i am not gonna go into detail on that in this post i understood the point that Singhs always need to be mentally and pysically prepared for war as the time could come anytime, but i personally think (i could be wrong) that because it has been part of the khalsa martial traditonal to be ready for war we have to be prepared and to be prepared you need a common enemy BUT because at present (some could argue RSS) there is no visible enemy, the nangs need an enemy to encourage others to join 'their mighty fauj' and have made other Singhs their enemy, AS their whole Nang-ness started around their blatent hatred of the AKJ What's the point of preparing for jang, if all your energies go on attacking (verbally) other Singhs. also there is a strong rumour in UK that at wedding parties and birthdays of Nangs, sharab as been consumed, i put strong rumour because i wasn't actually there to witness this with my own eyes so don't want to put paap on my head, but if these rumours are true then is getting p~~~~~ at your son's wedding preparing for jang? anyway its' a shame, cus i know Singhs what rather be busy doign bhagti than waste time on pettiness caused by the behaviour of Nangs in Uk chello all in Guru'jis hukam Akaal

Waheguru ji ka khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh ji Gurbal Akal i've had a question that has really bothered me for some time and it's relevent to When the Nangs first started doing their parchar in uk in 99, they would say it's okay to eat maas in war times, the same Nangs now eat maas as part of their daily food intake. now they are saying one can have sharab in times of war, i wonder if 4 yrs down the line ,they will all be in the pub everynight? the main qestion is "What defines times of war" Okay the spirtual war is ongoing for everyone in controlling their mind and i can't see how maas or sharab can help in this The pyhsical war, well as far as i know the last pyhiscal war the panth fought was 84 and after and i am not gonna go into detail on that in this post i understood the point that Singhs always need to be mentally and pysically prepared for war as the time could come anytime, but i personally think (i could be worng) that because it has been part of the khalsa martial traditonal to be ready for war we have to be prepared and to be prepared you need a common enemy BUT because at present (some could argue RSS) there is no visible enemy, the nangs need an enemy to encourage others to join 'their mighty fauj' and have made other Singhs their enemy, AS their whole Nang-ness started around their blatent hatred of the AKJ What's the point of preparing for jang, if all your energies go on attacking (verbally) other Singhs. also there is a strong rumour in UK that at wedding parties and birthdays of Nangs, sharab as been consumed, i put strong rumour because i wasn't actually there to witness this with my own eyes so don't want to put paap on my head, but if these rumours are true then is getting p~~~~~ at your son's wedding preparing for jang? anyway its' a shame, cus i know Singhs what rather be busy doign bhagti than waste time on pettiness caused by the behaviour of Nangs in Uk chello all in Guru'jis hukam Akaal

The below post is taken from www.tapoban.org and is written by Bhai Kulbir Singh. It is being posted here to bring awarenses to the masses of what the Uk Nangs are about --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Khalsa jeeo, On March 27th, 2005 Parmjit Singh whom I heard belongs to the UK Nihung Jatha came to Toronto to speak in a conference organised by a Sikh organisation here. We found out about his arrival and decided to attend the conference. Some Singhs reached there at 11:30am but I and four other Singhs reached there around 3pm. Couple of minutes after our arrival, Parmjit Singh started his lecture. He began his lecture by complaining how the definition of Sikhi was so broad in old days and how it became narrow in the last century or so. Others may not have known but I knew that he was referring to the Singh Sabh movement that brought clarity in Sikhi; the clarity that had been lost because of the fact that Khalsa was busy fighting in jungles and non-Sikhs were the custodians of our gurdwaras at that time. He showed many pictures and newspaper clippings from last two hundred years. Then he showed the picture of Baba Khem Singh Bedi and he greatly showered praise on him. One of Bedi’s picture was an embodiment of Guru-dumm. It showed Bedi sitting on a throne and a person doing chaur on his head. I interrupted by raising my hand and voiced my comments that it is pure Guru-dumm to do this. Parmjit Singh said something like it was a practice of that time and also expressed his doubts on the authenticity of the picture. I was wondering, why show such a picture that can be misleading and can promote Guru-dumm. I was wondering why he showed such picture that he himself has doubts about. The lecture continued with I continuing to interrupt where I found objections. I think Parmjit Singh was a bit upset at my comments. At one point, he said something along the lines that it is unfortunate that at one time there used to be idols in the parkarma area of Darbar Sahib but some fundamental Sikhs threw them out. I immediately stood up and corrected him by informing him that it was against Gurmat to have idols at Gudwaras. He replied by saying that we should let idol-worshippers to come to Darbar Sahib. I replied back saying that even today all idol-worshippers are welcome to all Gurdwaras but these idol worshippers are not allowed to place their idols at our Gurdwaras. He said that if we let them place the idols at the parkarma, they would listen to kirtan and then perhaps change. I said that to do parchaar of Sikhi we cannot break the rules of Gurmat and maryada or Gursikhi. Others in the audience agreed with what I said. I explained that these idols and other anti-Gurmat practices had crept in our Gurdwaras because the management of our Gurdwaras was not in the hands of Khalsa at that time but in the hands of mahants who did not follow Gurmat. The Singh Sabha movement fixed these problems and maryada was once again restored in our Gurdwaras. Then he showed a picture of a woman who looked like a good and pious woman but did not look like a Sikh woman. She was wearing a Sari, had a bindi on her forehead and had earrings. Parmjit Singh said that this picture was of a Sikh woman Preacher or a Sikh missionary. I was shocked by his claim and so shocked was the sangat there and even normally mild Sikhs like the most famous Sikh lawyer of Canada – Sardar T. Sher Singh – had to speak up. He said that it was not wise or it was too early to draw conclusions from what the press reports say because even today in this age of knowledge, press does not always cover facts accurately, then how can we expect the press two hundreds years ago to be accurate. The whole audience totally applauded Sardar T. Sher Singh jee’s statement and it seemed that Parmjit Singh too had to reluctantly agree with him. So ended his presentation. By Guru Sahib’s kirpa, no parchaar of Sanatanism was done in the conference because of the stiff opposition he faced in the audience that interrupted him at any slight deviation from Gurmat. After the lecture we all came out and Parmjit Singh too came out. He and I said fateh to each other and shook hands. He expressed his desire to have a discussion with me and I readily agreed. While the third lecture started, I came out to stretch my legs and do some paath, that I saw Parmjit Sing there. He was sitting in the sitting area outside and I too sat beside him on a couch. We started having discussion. I first asked him that why do UK Nihungs put down AKJ Singhs in UK. He tried to avoid this question saying that he did not represent the UK Nihungs but I persisted. I said that I wanted to know why they had to put other organisations down to forward their agenda. He could not answer this question and asked me to name some UK AKJ Singhs who had told me this. I said it was not about persons but about ideology. I asked him why the UK Nihungs put down Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh jee and accuse him of being a British Agent? He could not answer this question. I then went on saying that at one time pretty much whole of Bhai Sahib’s jatha was in jail and he himself stayed in jail for 16 years. Then how could he have been a British stooge. He had no answer to this. I then asked him, about how he was preaching in the lecture that Sikhs should be tolerant to all .e.g Udasis and Nirmalay but how come UK Nihungs were not tolerant to AKJ then? I said to him, "you can hug ganjay (skinhead) Udaasee saadhoos but repulse AKJ Singhs who are in baana like you guys." He could not give any satisfactory answer to this. As we were talking there were two more Singhs with me – Baldeep Singh and Amritpal Singh. As I had finished discussing the above with him, some more Singhs came from inside. One of the Singhs, who was upset at his lecture, came directly to him and said, “You are a direct agent of Indian Government”. Hearing this, Parmjit Singh got upset and uttered an obscenity. The Singhs there respected us and restrained themselves and did not get physical with Parmjit Singh. Otherwise, they would have severely thrashed him for his stupidity. I pacified them and then asked Parmjit Singh, if he had read the first salok of 21st pauri of Siri Asa kee Vaar. I explained how Guru Sahib tells us that one who utters obscenities is against Gurmat. I told him to apologise to the Singhs. I also told him that he would be in serious trouble with these Singhs if he did not apologised. He refused to do it first but then after few minutes apologised to those Singhs. I asked Parmjit Singh, if it is okay for an amritdhari Singh to consume liquor. His answer filled not only me but everyone else there with total surprise. He responded saying that in dire circumstances consuming liquor is okay. My next question was what kind of circumstances are those in which a gursikh is allowed to drink liquor. He said that when Singhs used to go to battle or war, they used to drink liquor. He said that liquor helps one in battles. I asked him what was the position of Gurbani and Naam then? I asked him if Baba Deep Singh jee could have consumed liquor. He had no answer. Then I asked him if Gurbani allows for exceptions in drinking liquor. No answer at all. The worse claim that he made was his support for polygamy. I asked him if a Singh can have sex with a person who is not his wife. To this he again said that in some circumstances, it is allowed. There were many Singhs who were present there who heard him say this and the liquor thing. Overall, it was a satisfactory meeting with him and I ended this conversation with him requesting him to firstly, review his beliefs that do not seem to be on Gurmat e.g. liquor, drugs, meat and fornication / adultery. Secondly, I asked him to cut the spiteful and venomous attitude they have for AKJ. Whether he will heed to these requests, time will judge that. What I have written is based on honesty and if Parmjit Singh wants to clarify any point, he is more than welcome to post here. Daas, Kulbir Singh

Waheguru ji ka khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh jio Anyone who with Guru Sahib's kirpa attended the Uk smagam rain-sbai will no doubt know how amazing it was. Their was one shabad that really hit me hard. I think it was manpreet Singh who sung it, but not too sure. http://www.sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=3205 bilaaval || Bilaaval: bidhiaa n paro baadh nehee jaano || I do not read books of knowledge, and I do not understand the debates. har gun kathhath sunath bouraano ||1|| I have gone insane, chanting and hearing the Glorious Praises of the Lord. ||1|| maerae baabaa mai bouraa sabh khalak saiaanee mai bouraa || O my father, I have gone insane; the whole world is sane, and I am insane. mai bigariou bigarai math aouraa ||1|| rehaao || I am spoiled; let no one else be spoiled like me. ||1||Pause|| aap n bouraa raam keeou bouraa || I have not made myself go insane - the Lord made me go insane. sathigur jaar gaeiou bhram moraa ||2|| The True Guru has burnt away my doubt. ||2|| mai bigarae apanee math khoee || I am spoiled; I have lost my intellect. maerae bharam bhoolo math koee ||3|| Let no one go astray in doubt like me. ||3|| so bouraa jo aap n pashhaanai || He alone is insane, who does not understand himself. aap pashhaanai th eaekai jaanai ||4|| When he understands himself, then he knows the One Lord. ||4|| abehi n maathaa s kabahu n maathaa || One who is not intoxicated with the Lord now, shall never be intoxicated. kehi kabeer raamai ra(n)g raathaa ||5||2|| Says Kabeer, I am imbued with the Lord's Love. ||5||2||. The first two lines really hit me hard Bilaaval: bidhiaa n paro baadh nehee jaano || I do not read books of knowledge, and I do not understand the debates. har gun kathhath sunath bouraano ||1|| I have gone insane, chanting and hearing the Glorious Praises of the Lord. ||1||. Recently I have been a bit low and had a few doubts in my mind, these doubts have mainly been brought on from the amount of rubbish that is being put on the internet by certain individuals from the UK. This rubbish always leads back to books of knowlegde and intellectual debates. But someone like me who is simple and just wants to do bhagti finds it hard to understand these complex theories and books of knowlegde and debates. So i've been a little bit confused about these issues recenlty, but with Guru'jis kirpa, this shabad at the rain-sbai blew away any minute doubts that i had. okay let certain people watse their time in pointless debates and read many books of knowledge from different writers, at the end of the day, all we got is our Beautiful Guru Maraj, and my understanding of this shabad and my expereince while listening to this shabad at the rainsbai, was forget about debates and books of knowlegde and just chant Gods name. Now i expect others may come on this messageboard and go one about all these different books and knwoledge etc, but to be honest, if you aren't doing bhagti and remebering the name of god, the books are useless and keep these books and debates for those who have got time to watse on that, but i know being of simple mind for my own sikhi-progression as the first two lines of the shabad says Bilaaval: bidhiaa n paro baadh nehee jaano || I do not read books of knowledge, and I do not understand the debates. har gun kathhath sunath bouraano ||1|| I have gone insane, chanting and hearing the Glorious Praises of the Lord. ||1|| I need to follow to this, alot of ppl at the moment want to put doubts in ppl's minds and it makes their postion and egos bigger, however, ignore doubts and stick to Guru's charan. Waheguru ji ka khalsa, waheguru ji ki fateh jio p.s -i hardly get chance to post so it maybe a few days before i can repsond, if the usual suspects (as usual) try to pick faults in a post

I am assuming this took p;lace in Coventry?

Waheguru ji ka khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh ji Sorry Bhai Sahib Jagjit Singh, For once i have to disagree with you. The 'next great bhagat' is already here That is because we have Guru Maraj, now Guru Maraj is more than a bhagat, Guru Maraj has got everything the world can want. Guru maraj has got so much tresures to give, more than any Bhagat. So why wait 'for the the next greta Bhagat', when Guru maraj is here and due the present pysical roop of Guru Maraj means that all the world can get darshan of Guru Maraj ('The next great Bhagat') So why are we all waiting for the next Great Bhagat, waiting for Sant ji to come back (Pls i am not intendign to question the believe of Singhs who say Sant ji is coming back, if he is Chardi KALAL, but we don't need to sit back and wait. Guru Maraj which is above all bhagats, all bram-gianis, all Saints is with us now, lets not sit about waiting for some 'great soul' to come, everything that is needed is in Guru Maraj AND IS ALREADY HERE so instead lets talk about how to share Guru Maraj WITH THE REST OF THE WORLD. The next great bhagat is here (Guru maraj) but it's up to Guru's followers (us) to firstly listen to hukam and share it with the world so why are we waiting lets tell the world- Guru Maraj is here- there's nowhere ELSE to go Akaalllllllllllll Waheguru ji ka khalsa, wahegur uji ki Fateh ji

Waheguru ji ka khalsa, waheguru ji ki Ftahe jio I am just readign their autobigraphy now, so far it has blown me away it's wicked :wub: )))))))) Waheguru ji ka khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh ji

JSS Waheguru ji ka khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh ji i don't want to turn this thread into a slagging match of the rights and wrongs of the protest as I am sure everyone else has their two cents to add, but JSS are u from UK? just a few facts as soon as this play came to light recently, sangat from UK have protested peaceful (on 3 occasions) written complaint letters in the right way, contacted polticians (both internally and externally), contacted senior management at the rep and police. On Wednesday of last week, the police told the sangat that an injunction would be made the next day (this was a lie to get the crowd to leave the rep that day). The sangat wasn't even asking the Rep to ban the play, they only asked for them to have it set in a community centre instead of Guru's house. Alot of peaceful ways were sought by the sangat. Even allowing for police heavy handiness on Thursday - (4 police men manhandling and arresting a young protestor for wearing a scarf!!! when has that been an offence, and for arresting 2 singhs for not moving) all through this ther rep refused to listen to the Sikh community- blatently saying they woudl continue to show the play JSS u talk about Guru Hargobind Sahib, but wut about Guru ji telling us when every other option as been looked at but to no success, then use the sword? and on this occasion everything has been tried, but to no avail also JSS - u say did the protest on saturday achieve the goal? well to be honest if the sangat has stood their all night and did jakaira (like all protests normally) i strongly thing nothing would have ha ppened, the sangat would have gone away with nothing and the rep would still be showing the play. HOWEVER due to Guru's blessings and the faith of the Gursikhs who 'tried to storm' the rep, the play was cancelled for tonight and there's talk it will no longer go ahead for the rest of the week, however this will be confirmed tomorrow So pls, while you might think the storming of the rep was not right, it worked and had the desired affect - the play was stopped. there was no other solution to those Gurmukhs who were there (Someitmes just shouting is not enough only drastic action gets drastic results, so to all the sangat who were there trying to do the best they could, ignore any critism that might come your way because it was all done with Guru ji in mind and on final note- before the storming of the rep took place, chaupaui Sahib paath was done asking Guru ji for protection, so anyone who has an issue with what the Singhs did, I suggest you take it up with the main man - Guru ji. Waheguru ji ka khalsa Waheguru ji ki fateh jio